Depression in Charr culture?
There’s no particular lore I know of covering this topic, but I would imagine Charr would have little tolerance for mental illness. Charr culture has its admirable qualities, but tolerance is not one of them. Those who don’t align with Charr ideals are often despised or ostracized – for instance gladiums, Charr without warbands, are often looked down upon. In particular I think if a mental illness could potentially danger the Charr’s warband, it would be despised.
Honestly a lot depends on if there’s even an understanding of mental illnesses as such in Tyria, or if it’s just classified as character flaws, madness, or worse, rather than understanding it as a disease outside the individual’s control. Unfortunately such ignorance existed in our world for a very long time, and while Tyria really can’t be compared to our world, it would not surprise me if they don’t have a true understanding of mental illnesses. I don’t know of any lore that has addressed this issue, however, so it’s impossible to say for sure.
That’s such an interesting thought. I try my best to speak to every Charr with dialog in game. I have only met one that I can recall at the moment with both mental and physical injuries who can no longer preform in acts of war. All of the others I have spoken with in a similar situation only suffer from physical issues. It seems a lot of those Charr make themselves useful in society in their own ways. Such as gathering, fishing, lodging, ranching and farming. I would imagine Charr who suffer from mental illnesses may do the same if he/she has the ability to do so. If lucky, they may even be taken into care. I imagine that might be a rare thing though.
The one I am thinking of in particular is in Iron Marches. Screenshot below. If you give the charming response, she will say, “Thanks, but it is a my duty. Our new warband is supportive. I wasn’t sure they would accept her, since she hasn’t contributed to much, but they did. It’s not the mine, but it will do.”
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Not quite related but since you don’t like war….
Another Charr I can think of is Laria Sharpeye. She does not suffer from any injuries or illnesses, but she is described as a very shy character who prefers life outside of the battle field. Instead of fighting, she does paper work for Rytlock Brimstone. You can find her in his office. I really like this character because it shows Charr society is not as one dimensional as many think. It does have it’s place for those who fit outside of the war life.
While Brimstone is away, a little conversation will occur where a blood legion soldier arrives in with a message. When the soldier learns that Laria is the only one to be found she refuses to give her the message and insults her by calling her a cub. Laria does eventually get what she wants out of the soldier by using keen words. Charr that do not fight may not always be respected by everyone, but they can get around if given the opportunity to.
Examples : Fyon the Wraith and (to a lesser extent) Soure Doomsday. There’s also Charr dishonorable gladium who wanders the base of the Black Citadel in rags, required to honestly answer anyone who asks the precise details of his crimes.
I know many people see mental illness as a weakness, would the Charr disrespect those with mental illness like depression etc…?
Not necessarily, although certain aspects to life at the Black Citadel are likely to do so. When everyone you’ve known since childhood gets eaten by a dragon and — to add insult to injury — surviving means you might be recognized as a hero, but are more likely to be treated like dirt… well, it’s not exactly a great recipe for treating unhappy folk well. Same for the duty-oriented culture : if you’re so drained of emotional energy that you can’t get out of bed, it’s going to hurt twice when that gets you put on scrapper duty. That’s a different matter than treating folk with depression poorly, but there’s going to be a sizable degree of overlap.
Note that not all humans react similarly to depression, and Charr cultural norms are only going to exacerbate that. It’s somewhat common for real-world humans with depression to focus on outbursts of anger, for example, or to take up a veneer of overconfidence. These Charr might be recognized as heroes by mainstream Charr culture, even as they drive away bandmates or endanger allies. Arguably, Rytlock Brimstone’s on the border of this particular group.
And the Flame Legion / Black Citadel gap adds even more to the mess.
Depression and the way others react to it varies hugely IRL, and I imagine the same could be said of it in most fictional worlds.
I think if one had the sort of personality that becomes withdrawn and grim when depressed they’d probably fit in fairly well. You could surely find a few such characters in the game – or more than a few. The fact that there really are a lot of reasons besides mental illness to become depressed in their world probably means this kind would often go completely unnoticed; perhaps when they hadn’t experienced anything in particular that might bring it on in most normal people, they’d be thought of as unusually severe, unpleasant, or unhappy types, but I doubt it would cross any charr’s mind that this was anything but a personality trait.
In some ways it may even be beneficial. Though I can’t find it anymore, I read an article a while back that talked about people with depression – assuming of course it wasn’t bad enough that they killed themselves – being better able to cope when their circumstances really were bad than people who hadn’t dealt with those emotions before. Incidentally this fits my experience quite well. Maybe why I find the charr sense of humour so familiar, even though it’s intended (presumably) to reflect the harshness of their circumstances.
On the other hand, for a very social person suffering from depression in charr society, I’m less optimistic about the result. Charr certainly seem far from being anti-social, even if their social groups form and work differently from ours, but at the same time they do seem to highly(!) value overall strength in an individual. Frequently needing emotional support for poorly-understood reasons might then be viewed as a serious character flaw. I think this would be distinct from temporary depression as a result of life issues: in the latter case it’s probably expected they’d receive support from their warband, while if it was an ongoing condition not explainable by circumstances, they may instead come to be viewed as weak, perhaps cowardly, and a drain on their comrades.
What exactly would happen to them I’m not sure, and I suppose it would depend on whether or not they were able to hold their own well enough when it mattered. If they appeared weaker than usual emotionally, but were nonetheless dependable, I gather they’d end up like a more intellectual version of Dinky. Perhaps society at large wouldn’t be too kind to them, but their warband would presumably understand their limitations and work around them.
Really severe cases I assume would end badly. They’d quite likely – as with a very severely depressed but unsociable person who could not work in a group – find themselves gladiums (er… gladii?). The difference being that the latter may have wanted that all along, or at least would be less effected by it. For the social types, unless they managed to befriend other warbandless charr or even fell in with other races and found that life more suited to them, I doubt they’d live very long or pleasant lives.
I imagine the first reaction from any charr unit is unsympathetic Just like in the real military. e.g.: Popular saying in the Marine Corps, “Here’s a straw. Suck it the kitten up!”. Then if it’s bad enough, they may become gladium, as Lamefox said.
Those mentally ill (learning disability, slow etc) but are still able to fight seem to not have much of a problem. Those who have other issues seem to be ranchers, or workers. If you go around Charr territory, you will find plenty of mentally questionable charr, who seem to be doing just fine in their own way.