Guild Wars 2

I know this topic has probably been asked many many times, but just out of curiosity? I am more of a gameplay type of person and " who cares about the lore " but I recently started reading and following up with the lore and there has been a couple references in game by charrs saying that they’ll eat up a human.

I don’t know if that is just a threat saying that they will kill them, or if they really do eat them.

Also someone in my guild said that the Asura, surfaced from underground, did experiments on Sylvari and ate them.

There’s no conclusive proof that I know of, but some dialogue in the GW1 EotN expansion strongly suggests they did. Probably discouraged by the treaty in GW2.

Althea, Rurik’s fiancée, was killed by the Charr in GW1 and her body was used for some ritual sacrifice. She could have been eaten, but overall it hasn’t been flat out answered that they do.

Considering the attitude of the Charr though, it leans towards the possibility.

As for the Asura they didn’t eat any Sylvari. Malomedies was the first Sylvari to meet with the Asura. Since the Asura saw them initially as just plants they experimented on him. He survived, but to this day there’s been some distrust to the Asura by certain Sylvari because of that moment.

Atlas.9704:

Althea, Rurik’s fiancée, was killed by the Charr in GW1 and her body was used for some ritual sacrifice. She could have been eaten, but overall it hasn’t been flat out answered that they do.

One of the ascended items the laurel vendor sells would seem to suggest it involved fire.

I wouldn’t put it past them. they refer to humans as ‘meat’ in GW1 and they do have “skritt-rations”. But that may refer to their size, looks or taste. But as Ben-K said, it is probably discouraged at least for the ones your in a treaty with.

LameFox.6349:

Atlas.9704:

Althea, Rurik’s fiancée, was killed by the Charr in GW1 and her body was used for some ritual sacrifice. She could have been eaten, but overall it hasn’t been flat out answered that they do.

One of the ascended items the laurel vendor sells would seem to suggest it involved fire.

I ran GW1 missions for her ashes, it was indeed fire. I even sold her ashes a few times. That was very morbid, but it made a quick couple of coppers for me!

I’m a horrible man now.

Atlas.9704:

LameFox.6349:

Atlas.9704:

Althea, Rurik’s fiancée, was killed by the Charr in GW1 and her body was used for some ritual sacrifice. She could have been eaten, but overall it hasn’t been flat out answered that they do.

One of the ascended items the laurel vendor sells would seem to suggest it involved fire.

I ran GW1 missions for her ashes, it was indeed fire. I even sold her ashes a few times. That was very morbid, but it made a quick couple of coppers for me!

I’m a horrible man now.

A few times? Apparently there was a fair bit left over then…

I like to think that during the Searing she gained a few pounds out of depression.
That would have made her hotter in my opinion, and apparently the Charr’s but in a different aspect.

Okay now I’m a horrible man. lol

You need a strong stomach and lot’s of seasoning. Plus humans are like pigeons, more bones than meat. Now Dolyaks on the other hand (!) …

Rouven.7409:

Now Dolyaks on the other hand (!) …

…are good to escape a harsh blizzard by cutting them open and climbing inside?

I’m sure Charr have probably eaten humans at some time. Personally none of mine would unless starving. you never know WHERE they’ve BEEN!

Leo G.4501:

Rouven.7409:

Now Dolyaks on the other hand (!) …

…are good to escape a harsh blizzard by cutting them open and climbing inside?

Umm, yeah, you can do that, but just from personal experience, take off your T3 cultural armour or your not getting out of that Dolyak again any time soon. I just grab three more Dolyaks, one to eat and the other three stacked up as shelter

Leo G.4501:

Rouven.7409:

Now Dolyaks on the other hand (!) …

…are good to escape a harsh blizzard by cutting them open and climbing inside?

And I thought they smelled bad on the outside!

I certainly wouldn’t have put it past the Charr in GW1. (And on the flip-side, we did also skin Charr and wear their hides as armor.)

Nowadays though? Maybe the Flame Legion would devour humans they captured, but more than likely they’d use them as sacrifices or to power their Effigies. Why waste good prisoners as food when they’re more useful otherwise?

I’m sure it happened with the Charr in GW1. Though honestly between the Ruins of Surmia mission, Gwen’s story, and Captain Langmar’s captured patrol in Eye of the North I’m more inclined to believe that they rarely if ever ate prisoners but kept them as sacrifices, slave labor, or entertainment. More likely the humans they did eat would be ones they killed in battle since it would just be more efficient for them.

Zaxares.5419:

(And on the flip-side, we did also skin Charr and wear their hides as armor.)

Haha, that’s a good point, humans weren’t exactly holding back in regards to that sort of thing either.

What did the Charr armor look like? That is, the armor made of Charr…

It looked kinda neat, I never did get to the point where I purchased it.

Do Charrs eat humans?

Yes.

It only makes sense that they did, and I’m sure a few still do.

Leo G.4501:

What did the Charr armor look like? That is, the armor made of Charr…

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warrior_Charr_Hide_armor
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warrior_Elite_Charr_Hide_armor

Vegetarian charrs eat sylvaris

ThrottleFox.2735:

Leo G.4501:

What did the Charr armor look like? That is, the armor made of Charr…

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warrior_Charr_Hide_armor
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Warrior_Elite_Charr_Hide_armor

that means humans had charr burgers oh snap!

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if humans DID eat Charr too after the Searing. Have you seen the sorry state the land was in back then? There’s no way one could grow crops there, and aside from the rare Moa, the only animals around appear to be Devourers (blech), Wind Riders (must taste like jellyfish), and Hydras (good luck trying to hunt those for food on a regular basis!). With such a limited supply of food, I think the Ascalonians probably did eat the bodies of slain Charr from time to time.

I wonder what Charr tastes like… Part beef, part cat?

Some charr in an event I was just doing did remind the human he was with ’you’re still a prey animal, you know’ so I guess the thought crosses their minds. Mind they were fighting together against ogres, and apparently he liked the challenge in that better.

The “meat” reference seems more an insult. It equates humans with animals.

Like “bookah” equates non-asura with inferior.

There no evidence of Charr eating other sentients, but quite a lot of them enslaving them. That said there were FREE humans in the Black Citadel even before the treaty. Listen to the dialog of the mixed race area and some humans there discuss why they came there.

This implies that as a semi-meritocracy, Charr gave rights to any human willing to live under their social norms / authority. Under the treaty, this is just now open to all humans, even those who had been captured / enslaved.

Kichwas.7152:

There no evidence of Charr eating other sentients, but quite a lot of them enslaving them.

There was a pirate in (some zone east of LA I think) that described to me which Quaggans made better food once. Though the degree to which those are sentient…

Kichwas.7152:

The “meat” reference seems more an insult. It equates humans with animals.
(…)

No it does not. Many warrior cultures actually ate their enemies for a few different reasons. Apart from cultural or ceremonial reasons there could also simply be … necessity.
The scale or war is not really portrayed in a game and maybe should not – but we are talking more from a lore perspective, right?

Modern anthropology, which involves letting actual people from a group speak for their cultues and uses actual relics in context rather than those gathered by colonial conquerers to justify conquest… modern scholorship has debunked almost every case of cannibalism out there. Very few examples persist – such as the prsent day genocide against pygmys.

Telling in debunking much of that is a conflict between the church and conquistadors. The church ordered that no one could be enslaved or wiped out if their souls were saveable. There was only one sin that could cast a people as beyond redemption: canibalism.

As a result conquistadors found it everywhere they went, but priests coming in after them found no evidence of the practice. Modern science has almost always found the priests were right…

(Another rare exception persisted in one valley in the Phillipines until about the 1970s or so, and is now recalled by locals for tourists as a source of income… so they may be motivated to hype it up…)

Regardless though. There is still NO EVIDENCE that Charr eat other sentients as a culture. There is one pirate making off-color comments. That does not a culture make.

There is plenty of evidence of the different races having derogatory words for each other…

I actually misread to what you were referring to (“meat” being used as an insult in that context). I agree there.

As to evidence … well, let’s just put it this way – for this medium of story telling I would consider it less advisable for the publisher to openly state something like this, as are other topics that are considered crimes or taboo’s etc.

Just believe what you like to believe in the context of this fantasy environment.

All I meant to say (again, I believe I misunderstood your notion) is that it does not have to be looked at negatively, but could also be a warrior code.

I think it is safe to assume that the Charr did eat humans in GW1. Allow me to post a few quotes from GW1:

“Did you bring these human slaves to carry your pack, Pyre? Or are they lunch?”

“I spied some Charr a few days ago dragging a sack into their cooking tent. A wriggling, talking sack. What do you make of that?”

“I’ve heard he prefers the tender bones of the young for a late afternoon snack.”

“[…] and the numerous chains of diminutive skulls that drape his enormous frame.”(Hierophant Burntsoul, and it looks like human skulls).

Some things are only hinted at or mentioned but never shown in GW1, just like you do not see any blood for example.

I am sure that the Charr of GW2 do not eat humans, and that them doing it in GW1 was retconned away for GW2.

Kichwas.7152:

…cannibalism…

Huge difference here.

No one’s talking about Charr eating Charr…or Humans eating Humans.

It really can’t be translated to real world circumstances. The closest would be people eating primates (didn’t they eat monkey brains in the Indiana Jones movies), eating dolphin (granted I think it’s highly frowned upon, but not really because they may be close to sentience) or eating octopus (have been shown to be quite intelligent but people eat those all the time!).

Frosch.7809:

I think it is safe to assume that the Charr did eat humans in GW1. Allow me to post a few quotes from GW1:

“Did you bring these human slaves to carry your pack, Pyre? Or are they lunch?”

“I spied some Charr a few days ago dragging a sack into their cooking tent. A wriggling, talking sack. What do you make of that?”

“I’ve heard he prefers the tender bones of the young for a late afternoon snack.”

“[…] and the numerous chains of diminutive skulls that drape his enormous frame.”(Hierophant Burntsoul, and it looks like human skulls).

Some things are only hinted at or mentioned but never shown in GW1, just like you do not see any blood for example.

I am sure that the Charr of GW2 do not eat humans, and that them doing it in GW1 was retconned away for GW2.

I wouldn’t call it a retcon, most of those quotes are easily attributed to Flame Legion members specifically. And besides it’s not terribly unreasonable to believe that a practice like that died out in the 250 years between GW1 and 2, especially when you consider all the other social upheavals charr society went through.

ya. if they ate humans, wich it seems they did in GW1 then it was probably all charr. Not just flame legion charr since the only problem the rest of the charr had with the flame legion was the way they ruled.

that said, the only other options is that the practice fell out of “fashion” as Riot said, or that the charr do if it suits them and they only choose not to based on who the human is aligned with and who the charr is aligned with. I lean toward this one since they are still predators at heart and they seem okay with that knowledge.

There are hints that race to race cannibalism isn’t that big of a deal in Tyria. everything on this page plus “skritt rations” and offerings of frog legs when hyleck get killed.

Dustfinger.9510:

There are hints that race to race cannibalism isn’t that big of a deal in Tyria

Nor is it actually cannibalism since the ‘races’ are different species. With the possible exception of humans and norn (both their histories go dark before we can tell if their similar appearance is coincidental or not, so far as I know) most of them don’t even seem closely related.

LameFox.6349:

Nor is it actually cannibalism since the ‘races’ are different species. With the possible exception of humans and norn (both their histories go dark before we can tell if their similar appearance is coincidental or not, so far as I know) most of them don’t even seem closely related.

Agreed. I just use the term “race to race cannibalism” for lack of a better term since we really have no equivelant IRL. But it really isn’t cannibalism. race to race …dining? IDK. :P

Don’t think so. They did before in GW1, if you played EoTN one charr says “this non-human diet has me cranky” hehe..

Yeah, I believe they used to in GW1. Hell! Humans wore them as armor! http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/f/f2/Warrior_Elite_Charr_Hide_armor_m.jpg

Hmm marinate humans with Elxier S then you get a Crunchy Bite Size Snack …… Pretty sure Charr eat humans or another lesser race “I remember somewhere in GW2 you talked with a Charr about separatist and killing them and the NPC say what do they taste like and your character say they taste like chicken…”

not to say what could be more humiliating then calling your defeated enemies meat and treating them like it

The real question isn’t if Charr eat Humans, but if Humans eat Charr, the armor they wore from GW1 strongly suggests they did…

I wouldn’t doubt that either. They clearly saw them as animals. And they were short on food.

In both GW1 and GW2 they refer to humans as “meat”, often to their face (lol).

Given they are huge carnivorous predators with a predatory streak a mile wide it seems illogical to kill hordes of a non-charr species and then discard all the bodies, why would they?

Certainly not out of respect for the dead, you’ve seen the concept art of them reclaiming Ascalon, with fields of bodies mounted on their own spears. Likewise humans frequently skinned the charr and used their pelts for leather so neither side had any respect for each other.

Yeah, I imagine that any human they got hold of, alive or dead, with charr hide armour is probably gonna get eaten!

The charr do not eat humans. Quote straight from Jeff Grubb.

The humans and charr have a truce, and part of that truce is that both species are welcome in each other’s cities. In practice, only adventurous souls would walk into the other race’s city. The charr don’t eat other sentient races, though they will gladly let you believe that if it makes it easier to deal with you.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/13990-interview-charr-week-arenanet-interview-onlinewelten/

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Good find Siobhan

there you go http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/FlamedramonX/charrhuman_zps6bb0fc5c.jpg

on to next thread!

In some reaches of the internet, that’d be pornographic…

Although I cant think of any incidents of Charr actually eating a human, I can think of times when Charr have attempted or threatened to eat a human.