Guild Wars 2

So I’ve been thinking of making a male, charr Mesmer for quite some time now. I know it might not follow any rules of lore, but I don’t wanna make a mainstream Mesmer. The problem is, I can’t find any good names that I might name my charr. Any ideas?

It’s not breaking any rules. Shaman are looked down on but their abilities are still valued.

Charr first names often have names based off of their culture (e.g., Pyre, Ember, Forge). Along with this male names are also sharp sounding with the consonants (e.g., using D, R, T, G, K, etc. used in names like Rytlock, Gron, Dinky) whereas female names are smoother (e.g., using C, L, S, Z, etc. such as names like Balthea, Kalla, Elexus); both genders often start with a sharp consonant though, but this is just generally and exceptions to this do exist. Some charr use Roman or Greek (inspired) names as well.

Charr surnames consist of two words put together, one of which (either suffix or prefix) denoting the warband of the individual (e.g., Crimsonsword is of the Crimson warband while Swordstrike is of the strike warband). The warband’s name is always in the same place for that particular warband.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charr

Male or female?

The first name can really be anything you want, but is better off being something simple so as to show off the coolness of the last name. The poster above has hit the nail on the head. The last name is two words, one being the warband name, the other being a word of your choice.

Example: Kalla Mindbreaker, of the Mind warband.

Khyber.2693:

Example: Kalla Mindbreaker, of the Mind warband.

Wouldn’t it be better if the warband’s name was ‘Break’? So guardian in that warband would be something like SoulBreaker or a warrior SpineBreaker? Not many professions deal with the mind unless the whole warband were mesmers.

Shina Soulshredder of the shred warband…

Ed.: Something like Sorek for a male

Eh well for reference, my charr mesmer is called Crito Tartricks, of the Tar warband. Crito comes from the fact that charr seem largely based on ancient Romans.

So I’d say looking into Roman names is not a bad idea, and then you could decide on a warband first. Whether you make the warband the prefix or suffix of the name is irrelevant, what sounds good to you. Then at least I looked up a thesaurus and started going through words with any relation to illusions or chaos magic…

I had this same problem for my Charr Mesmer. FIrst it was what armor will I want? (Heading for TA!) Then it was the name. Since I like using Z in my names obviously I wanted to give my charrmes a Z name. I picked Zarric for the first name and then when I came up with the last name I looked at my other charr whose name is Shieldrazor (guardian) and decided to make them warband mates and since hes a Mesmer I picked Mindrazor. And thus, Zarric Mindrazor was born!

You.. yo..you…..you…NO. I can’t even belive I’m watching this thread right now. You just dont make a charr mesmer, yes it break every rule there is out there. There shall be no charr mesmer! I’m not angry on you just a big fat tip: Don’t ever make one, and if you have one… Delete it!

My male charr mesmer is named Fausto The Sly.

Emps.9823:

You.. yo..you…..you…NO. I can’t even belive I’m watching this thread right now. You just dont make a charr mesmer, yes it break every rule there is out there. There shall be no charr mesmer! I’m not angry on you just a big fat tip: Don’t ever make one, and if you have one… Delete it!

“While Shaman are still considered useful to the war effort, they are also viewed as dangerous and subversive, and are almost universally scorned. No Charr in the new age would willingly suffer a Shaman to rule them.” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World#Charr

Umm… Mesmers and all magic using classes, do not automatically equate to Shamans. The Shamans of the Flame Legion were magic using, but Shamans overall were a social caste. That caste system is no longer in effect with the 3 remaining legions.

The charr consider all magic using classes as “shaman” as they were called shaman before they ever adopted any “gods”. the shaman caste were around before they ever took power and they were spread throughout the legions before they took power as well. They were the magic users. That is why the Flame Legion is run by magic users. becasue they are run by shaman.

I’m getting the hint here that people don’t really understand what the concept of a caste system is.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shaman_caste

Nowhere in this official citation does it say that all Charr that use magic are considered part of the Shaman Caste. The current legions other than the Flame Legion, no longer carry the Shaman Caste in their ranks. They continue to employ magic-users in their warbands, but these individuals are NOT Shaman Caste, because that caste system is no longer used by the High Legions anymore.

Those that still practice magic within the Charr Legions are treated with suspect, but they are not dubbed as Shaman Caste.

As I just did, you are confusing “shaman” with “shaman caste” by using them interchangeably.

Your own link demonstrates that the “shaman caste” was the ruling class during the searing when the Flame legion controled the charr. We also know that the Flame Legion is run by magic users. I will demonstrate that the caste of rulers during the searing is named after the class that makes it up.

caste
[kast, kahst] Show IPA
noun
1. Sociology.
a. an endogamous and hereditary social group limited to persons of the same rank, occupation, economic position, etc., and having mores distinguishing it from other such groups.
b. any rigid system of social distinctions. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/caste?s=t

“While Shaman are still considered useful to the war effort, they are also viewed as dangerous and subversive” http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World#Charr

This demonstrates that shaman are still used but we know the Flame legion isn’t cooperating with the other High Legions and the other High Legions don’t use the Flame Legion.

“In the end, the Shamans of the rival legions met in secret, unified their differences, and swore to force each legion to follow these new gods.”
This demonstrates that each High legion had their own shaman before the shaman took power and established the shaman caste.

“One by one, the legions of the Charr fell beneath the control of these “gods” and their Shamans, and the Charr at last learned new magic”
This demonstrates that though these shaman were products of the new “gods”, the charr already had magic before the “gods”.

“One of the leaders of the Flame Legion at the time, Bonfaaz Burntfur, spurred the charge against the Wall, leading the Shamans in a further show of unity”
Again demonstrating how it was the magic users who were in charge, and how they weren’t restricted to one legion.

“During that time of occupation, however, the Charr learned a valuable lesson: they could conquer and hold territory, even without gods. Indeed, the trickery of the Shaman caste and their servitude…”
Demonstrating that the “shaman caste” is indeed the ruling magic users of GW1.

“Kalla Scorchrazor, overthrew the Flame Legion’s domination”
Demonstrating that it was indeed the Flame legion in controle at the time, even though each legion had their own shaman who worked together to to controle their own legions under the banner of the Flame Legion.

“the Flame Legion was overthrown and cast down. With their mystic power shattered and their Shamans reviled”
Confirming Flame leguion rule and conecting shamn to “mystic power”. Not just “ruling power”.

So while it is never plainly spelled out that the definition of shamn is "magic user’, we see that it is the case. Blood Legion is run by warriors, Ash by rogues, Iron by engineers and Flame is run by magic users and are refered to as shaman. Seaking of which, the Flame legion is also the reason that magic is distrusted, magic users are distrusted but still used by all Legions and uncoincidently, no other charr will accept shaman rule again.

Emps.9823:

You.. yo..you…..you…NO. I can’t even belive I’m watching this thread right now. You just dont make a charr mesmer, yes it break every rule there is out there. There shall be no charr mesmer! I’m not angry on you just a big fat tip: Don’t ever make one, and if you have one… Delete it!

Look up: Charr Chaot.
Actually I’ll link you.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_Chaot

I’ve been thinking about your response, and I think I may have presented my argument a bit incorrectly. I was attempting to detail the differences between Shaman, Shaman Caste, the real world definition of Shaman, and Caste System. I don’t think I got it quite spot on.

The basic gist I was looking to do was make a comparison/contrast between these tropes and their real world equivalents.

I dont see the overall similarity between a Shaman of the Legion, and a Shaman of historical definition. Fundamentally they have some similarities, but they are definitely not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism

Therefore, I theorize by the definitions I know of, that being a Shaman within the legions are not something that you are born into. Only one position within the Charr history has been bloodline-related (The Primus). You had to work to be a member of the Shaman Caste, which implies that not all magic-using Charr were or are Shamans. If all of the legions were run by magic using Charr, how do you explain some of the non magic-using leader bosses in Guild Wars 1? There are discrepancies between the lore and its practical gameplay value.

Ah, I can definatly see where your going with the charr definition of shaman being different from our RL definition.

On why GW1 had non magic using charr boss’: Each legion still makes use of different classes. Ash staill has warriors, as do Iron and Blood has rogues. But since Ash is predominantly rogue it is the rogues who run the ash legion. if they took power, it would be the rouges of other legions who would be their most valuable and used because they operate on the same page. Now this doesn’t mean a warrior won’t rise through the rank and lead jobs that warriors are needed to do, but the ruling individuals will still be predominantly rogue. So it is more of a general rule than a hard and fast rule. But those non-magic bosses most likely answered to a magic user of higher rank since the entire movement was run fueled by religious ferver from the magic users.

Roman names often sound solid on a Charr, especially if you can find one that means something apt.
Cornelius (Horned) would suit any charr.
Vincentius (Conqueror) would be in the right mindset of any self respecting charr
Flaccus (floppy ears) would work too, if you gave him really long ears.

The charr chaot was made for a reason! Dont delete your charr mesmers just because others dont approve of it. I think charr mesmers are awesome and if you want to see why go here…

Plus mine is named Roc Mindbender

I was planning on a charr mesmer, but I went asura. He was going to be

Blood Fearbrand, or something like that.
Ill give surnames i think would work
Mindclaw
Thoughtbreaker
Hauntskull
Doubletake
Brainpoacher
Chaosbreaker

Or do titles like

The elusive
The forked tongue
The mind flayer

Garcia Leon. I feel like a disgrace! :’(

Mesmers seem to use a combination of magic (illusions) with technology and forgery though (swords, pistols, etc…) so maybe it could be a focus on magi-tech?

Glind Chaosblade

I went with the rather lighthearted “Tailtwister” for my mesmer’s warband name indicating a tendancy to use mesmer skills for pranking other cubs in the ferah!

Magicians and Illusionists sometimes add “The Great” to their name

Try looking up namesof charr boss from Gw1

Some names wouldn’t make sense though, like Faze Magekiller, as the Mesmer isn’t about punishing anymore. (in gw1, Mesmers focused more on punishing and denial, being the counter of all professions, especially the magical ones, hence the “Magekiller” title to a Mesmer boss)