Did Anet have to make them so big compared to humans? It’s hard to understand humans being an actual threat to charr physically. Same goes with norns and humans…
Both norns and charr are a little too big compared to the other races imo.
In Guild Wars 1, you could only play human and charr were the bad guys. Arenanet wanted the charr to be terrifying—a combination of a hungry big cat and an angry demon. They were made big as part of that fear factor.
In Guild Wars 2, you learn the charr perspective on their war with humanity—and discover that there’s another side to the story. If Arenanet toned down the main villians from Guild Wars 1 by making them small, a lot of people would be very upset. So it’s not really an option.
You’re forgetting that a lot of magic is used in fighting. With magic, it doesn’t matter how big or small you are—if you shoot a wave of fire at an enemy five times bigger than you, it’s still going to burn.
Even with plain old swords, humans aren’t nessecarily disadvantaged. They’re small, fast targets—hard for a big charr to hit. If a human gets under a charr’s sword thrust, he can use his own sword and gut the charr.
Then there’s technology, which basically uses the same logic as magic. A bullet to the head, or a bomb, is going to kill you whether you’re four feet tall or ten.
Charr and Norn only have a real advantage in unarmored, magicless, weaponless, hand to hand brawls.
But I did not meant for them to be around the human size, just that they could be a little smaller then what they are right now. Humans look very weak compared to the charr.
I have not played GW1 however, so I guess I don’t get the history behind it.
Have you tried giving a charr the thinnest body type and shortest height? You can make them quite tiny compared to the average charr NPC
Here’s my short charr next to an average human. He’s still bigger, but not so much (plus, that human is pretty thin. Maxheight a human male and give it max bulk, and it’d probably be pretty even, size-wise)
Did Anet have to make them so big compared to humans? It’s hard to understand humans being an actual threat to charr physically. Same goes with norns and humans…
Both norns and charr are a little too big compared to the other races imo.
You realize that Norns are essentially giants, right?
In Guild Wars 1, you could only play human and charr were the bad guys. Arenanet wanted the charr to be terrifying—a combination of a hungry big cat and an angry demon. They were made big as part of that fear factor.
In Guild Wars 2, you learn the charr perspective on their war with humanity—and discover that there’s another side to the story. If Arenanet toned down the main villians from Guild Wars 1 by making them small, a lot of people would be very upset. So it’s not really an option.
You’re forgetting that a lot of magic is used in fighting. With magic, it doesn’t matter how big or small you are—if you shoot a wave of fire at an enemy five times bigger than you, it’s still going to burn.
Even with plain old swords, humans aren’t nessecarily disadvantaged. They’re small, fast targets—hard for a big charr to hit. If a human gets under a charr’s sword thrust, he can use his own sword and gut the charr.
Then there’s technology, which basically uses the same logic as magic. A bullet to the head, or a bomb, is going to kill you whether you’re four feet tall or ten. Charr and Norn only have a real advantage in unarmored, magicless, weaponless, hand to hand brawls.
I agree with everything until that last bit. size is only one tool in martial combat but it’s a big tool. if a human gets under a sword thrust it can gut the char. that is still a disadvantage because the human needs to be able to get under thta sword thrust and within reach. So charr and Norn both hold a huge advantage in physical combat (armed or unarmed) when facing the other races. But as you said, all combat isn’t based on physical ability.
In Guild Wars 1, you could only play human and charr were the bad guys. Arenanet wanted the charr to be terrifying—a combination of a hungry big cat and an angry demon. They were made big as part of that fear factor.
In Guild Wars 2, you learn the charr perspective on their war with humanity—and discover that there’s another side to the story. If Arenanet toned down the main villians from Guild Wars 1 by making them small, a lot of people would be very upset. So it’s not really an option.
You’re forgetting that a lot of magic is used in fighting. With magic, it doesn’t matter how big or small you are—if you shoot a wave of fire at an enemy five times bigger than you, it’s still going to burn.
Even with plain old swords, humans aren’t nessecarily disadvantaged. They’re small, fast targets—hard for a big charr to hit. If a human gets under a charr’s sword thrust, he can use his own sword and gut the charr.
Then there’s technology, which basically uses the same logic as magic. A bullet to the head, or a bomb, is going to kill you whether you’re four feet tall or ten.
Charr and Norn only have a real advantage in unarmored, magicless, weaponless, hand to hand brawls.
this.
Just look at the Charrs fighting stannce… The way, they need to lean forward while walking on two legs really screams for smaller foes to duck in below them and impale them with an upwards thrust.
And the force, a human can bring into an upwards thrust with a correct stance should be enough to pierce through armor. After all, compared to a horizontal thrust, there is nowhere else for the force to go.
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I’d say in general humans are more magical inclined than Charr, which gave them the edge in over them in early wars. Later the Charr got their hands on more powerful magic too and at that point they started winning again (okay humans were also weakined due to the Guild Wars, basically a large chaotic series of wars of the 3 human kingdoms and the human guilds).
However overall I would say humans are better at using magic than the Charr, lore wise, not mechanic wise of course, since they are used to do it since houndreds of years, while the Charr, frown upon on it a bit. They are still way to opportunistic to not use it, but they prefer physical strength and technology.
The Norn are pretty much a race of bad*ss fighters. They may be too less inclined to use magic, but the average norn is certainly a much better fighter than the average human and maybe even Charr.
You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.
Did Anet have to make them so big compared to humans? It’s hard to understand humans being an actual threat to charr physically. Same goes with norns and humans…
Both norns and charr are a little too big compared to the other races imo.
Humans destory all things, as evident IRL, Charr as already stated had a big “bad guy” lore in GW1.
The Norn are big thats just there race, just as the Asuran are small.
The Blue whale is the biggest living thing on the plant, yet human still pose a huge threat it it.
Sorry I can’t find the right words to describe what I’m thinking, perhaps someone could help me out?
Maybe; “They are who they are?”
The Blue whale is the biggest living thing on the plant, yet human still pose a huge threat it it.
That’s not really a good comparison. Unless you mean one single human leaping out of his whaling ship and going toe-to-toe with the blue whale. I have my doubts the human would swim away victorious from that.
The Blue whale is the biggest living thing on the plant, yet human still pose a huge threat it it.
That’s not really a good comparison. Unless you mean one single human leaping out of his whaling ship and going toe-to-toe with the blue whale. I have my doubts the human would swim away victorious from that.
Well, it does prove something. The humans use their brains, and stay out of reach. They’ve always been weak, no fur, no claw, no tooth. So, they used tools (in the GW universe, that includes magic). One on one, the Charr will win, just like the blue whale will win. Unless tools come into play, naturally.
Then there’s the matter of numbers. Humans are used to work together, the larger the group the better (you can even see it in WvW, people are searching for the zerg, the group). So, if you have a few very smart people to lead that group, the chance for success is large.
Charr also use tools and work together. They are not animals you know (well in a biological sense they are of course, just like humans).
Yeah, they do—and their technological tools are a lot better then human ones. But in this case, tools means magic. And since the main part of charr society decided to turn away from magic, they’re behind the other races in magical technology and understanding. They have enough know-how to be Elementalists, Mesmers, and Necromancers—but the magical professions only use magic in a very limited and primitive way. Mind, the fact that they have more technology then the other races might offset this, but then again it might not.
Flame Legion has a very advanced understanding of magic—enough to rival everyone but the asura. If the main part of charr society could get over its biases towards magic, and obtain Flame Legion’s knowledge, they might be far enough ahead of the other races to have a noticable advantage. As it is though, their lack of magic is their downfall.
The Blue whale is the biggest living thing on the plant, yet human still pose a huge threat it it.
That’s not really a good comparison. Unless you mean one single human leaping out of his whaling ship and going toe-to-toe with the blue whale. I have my doubts the human would swim away victorious from that.
Well, it does prove something. The humans use their brains, and stay out of reach. They’ve always been weak, no fur, no claw, no tooth. So, they used tools (in the GW universe, that includes magic). One on one, the Charr will win, just like the blue whale will win. Unless tools come into play, naturally.
Then there’s the matter of numbers. Humans are used to work together, the larger the group the better (you can even see it in WvW, people are searching for the zerg, the group). So, if you have a few very smart people to lead that group, the chance for success is large.
This assumes that Charrs don’t uses tools or brains.
“This assumes that Charrs don’t uses tools or brains.” Exactly. That’s what I was trying to say. The charrs are too good. They are equally as smart or smarter and much bigger.
But my point with this thread was that I thought they made them a little too big.
And that’s what I don’t like about the norns aswell. The norn and the charr are too big to fit with the other three races. The norn could just have been an bigger under race to humans and the charr could have been made smaller to better fit with the other races. Anet could have added another different race instead, like the skritt.
But I guess that doesn’t fit with the lore of GW1…
“This assumes that Charrs don’t uses tools or brains.” Exactly. That’s what I was trying to say. The charrs are too good. They are equally as smart or smarter and much bigger.
Both the Norn and the Charr are headstrong races, who don’t like to cooperate together. The Norn think one of them is worth an entire army and Charr have too much inner power struggles to really band together against a common foe.
Good points, that’s one or two excuses for making them as big as they are.
I just think that it looks kind of funny in general, them being this big…with or without some made-up reasons fo humans being able to stand a chance against them in battle.
To be honest, if not for the dragons and the ghosts in Ascalon, I think the Charr would have conquered much more human land. However, don’t underestimate the humans, they are very experienced in siege battles, if just one of their fortresses can withstand centuries of Charr attacks (okay it had the supplies via the asura gate, point still stands).
You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.
Charr are basically large cats. If you’ve sat next to a tiger or lion that’s tamed, I have, and they’re huge.
I can see where the inspiration comes from, tigers are big beasts, charr are just large cats with weapons and I think it makes sense that they’re almost 10ft tall.
On the threat from humans, it’s fantasy, people have ridiculous strength and armour and skill, might is what you make of it I guess. The sheer rage of a warlord can make him snap iron with his bare hands etc.
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“This assumes that Charrs don’t uses tools or brains.” Exactly. That’s what I was trying to say. The charrs are too good. They are equally as smart or smarter and much bigger.
Both the Norn and the Charr are headstrong races, who don’t like to cooperate together. The Norn think one of them is worth an entire army and Charr have too much inner power struggles to really band together against a common foe.
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong about the Charr in your last sentence…
Charr are raised in Fharar’s to band together, most warbands are Charr who know each other from being cubs.. growing up and training together. Also the story tells us that the Charr as a whole will fight together against a common foe, despite inner power struggles.
I’d trust the second one over the first given the consistant measuring point and comparison. The first one may have been before the game came out in it’s final form.
I think 6ft3 is kinda off for the first link by the way. Max height for a human is probably 6ft7 (2 meters) and lowest 5’3 (1.60 meters) as shown in the second link I posted (which to me is the accurate one).
I realize by looking at this charts that I have exaggerated the charrs height in my head for some reason. They are not that much taller then humans. But then we have the build of the humans…they are somewhat slim (too slim) and they have the same proportions even if they are 6ft7 or 5ft3 but I guess it’s because it’s hard to match the armour with different builds. On the taller options it matches but with average and short it looks weird. Guess I am very sensitive with these kind of things…
http://i.imgur.com/kIo9z.jpg and according to this picture both female and male have the same max height. Also a little strange since women tend to be around 5 inches (12-13 cms) shorter then males. But that’s going off topic :P
“This assumes that Charrs don’t uses tools or brains.” Exactly. That’s what I was trying to say. The charrs are too good. They are equally as smart or smarter and much bigger.
Both the Norn and the Charr are headstrong races, who don’t like to cooperate together. The Norn think one of them is worth an entire army and Charr have too much inner power struggles to really band together against a common foe.
I’m sorry, but you’re wrong about the Charr in your last sentence…
Charr are raised in Fharar’s to band together, most warbands are Charr who know each other from being cubs.. growing up and training together. Also the story tells us that the Charr as a whole will fight together against a common foe, despite inner power struggles.
They will band together when the need is high, indeed. But not when the need is low. And you have the Fharar (which has a very strong bind) but even between the three groups there’s strife, even when there’s a serious battle going on between those three groups and the fourth: the flame legion. There’s even a DE which highlights that strife between the three groups (Iron, Blood and Ash).
Ahem! There is a reason the Ascalonian and Orrian kindoms got stomped by us Charr.
It’s because we are superior.
The Norn are too dimwitted to pose a threat to our great and glorious empire. We build tanks while they commune with animals.
And the Sylvari? PAH! We have flamethrowers. Need I say more?
The Asura have lasers and robot infantry, though. We might have to work out a power sharing agreement with them sometime in the near future.
Took you long enough and some serious butt-kicking before you got Ascalon and in Orr your whole army was slaugthered. Don’t forget how the Mursaat beat the crap out of you in Kryta.
Oh and what was that, dimwitted Norn don’t pose a threat? Tell that to the warbands that got lost in Norn territory because they prooved to be worthy pray. You’d better try to hire some, before your enemies do it.
I agree on the Sylvari though, I’ve never heard that someone was killed by salad.
You don’t win friends with salad! Sorry I just got caught up in the rhythm.
I realize by looking at this charts that I have exaggerated the charrs height in my head for some reason. They are not that much taller then humans.
Don’t forget that the linked tables all seem to show Charr is in their normal, hunched posture. When a Charr stands up straight (which they will do in several of their animations, so we know they can), the Charr are several inches taller.
I realize by looking at this charts that I have exaggerated the charrs height in my head for some reason. They are not that much taller then humans.
Don’t forget that the linked tables all seem to show Charr is in their normal, hunched posture. When a Charr stands up straight (which they will do in several of their animations, so we know they can), the Charr are several inches taller.
Right, yes I realized that afterwards aswell and I still think it wouldn’t hurt if they were a little shorter/smaller though.
Charr are basically large cats. If you’ve sat next to a tiger or lion that’s tamed, I have, and they’re huge.
I can see where the inspiration comes from, tigers are big beasts, charr are just large cats with weapons and I think it makes sense that they’re almost 10ft tall.
On the threat from humans, it’s fantasy, people have ridiculous strength and armour and skill, might is what you make of it I guess. The sheer rage of a warlord can make him snap iron with his bare hands etc.
I agree with most of that, but the last sentence seems more myth than reality. I’m not sure whether someone’s muscles could become powerful enough to do that or not, but in the end it doesn’t matter. Even if muscles aren’t a limiting factor in that case, bones are. Muscles work by exerting force on bones to make them move; every bit of force exerted by your muscles is applied directly to your bones. Are your finger bones stronger than iron?
Charr are basically large cats. If you’ve sat next to a tiger or lion that’s tamed, I have, and they’re huge.
I can see where the inspiration comes from, tigers are big beasts, charr are just large cats with weapons and I think it makes sense that they’re almost 10ft tall.
On the threat from humans, it’s fantasy, people have ridiculous strength and armour and skill, might is what you make of it I guess. The sheer rage of a warlord can make him snap iron with his bare hands etc.
I agree with most of that, but the last sentence seems more myth than reality. I’m not sure whether someone’s muscles could become powerful enough to do that or not, but in the end it doesn’t matter. Even if muscles aren’t a limiting factor in that case, bones are. Muscles work by exerting force on bones to make them move; every bit of force exerted by your muscles is applied directly to your bones. Are your finger bones stronger than iron?
I take it you’ve never seen a strongman competition then.
Charr are basically large cats. If you’ve sat next to a tiger or lion that’s tamed, I have, and they’re huge.
I can see where the inspiration comes from, tigers are big beasts, charr are just large cats with weapons and I think it makes sense that they’re almost 10ft tall.
On the threat from humans, it’s fantasy, people have ridiculous strength and armour and skill, might is what you make of it I guess. The sheer rage of a warlord can make him snap iron with his bare hands etc.
I agree with most of that, but the last sentence seems more myth than reality. I’m not sure whether someone’s muscles could become powerful enough to do that or not, but in the end it doesn’t matter. Even if muscles aren’t a limiting factor in that case, bones are. Muscles work by exerting force on bones to make them move; every bit of force exerted by your muscles is applied directly to your bones. Are your finger bones stronger than iron?
They have martial arts for that.
I bet the Shaolin Monks could do something ridiculous like break an iron pole with their butt cheeks or something…
