Guild Wars 2

At level 22, Rytlock and the reps from the Orders begin to call your charr Centurion. Why? He/she is still just the leader of one warband, a small one at that.

I recall this being explained in my blood legion story, but not iron legion. I don’t remember how it was explained, but I think it was at least mentioned.

Well, I rolled Ash Legion, but that should only affect your 1-10 quests. Throughout my 10 – 20 line (Honorless Gladium), I was still referred to as Legionnaire, and I didn’t gain any warband members.

On another note, why is Dinky still the only member who accompanies me into story quests? There should 2 others that joined during the 1 – 10 quests.

The warband never really takes off like it should have but that is the same for all the races with allies. It kinda bothered me you go through all this stuff to make friends, recruit people, yada yada. Yet, it all meant nothing… everyone’s story becomes the same later..

Rytlock was probably using the strategy of informing someone of a promotion by addressing them by their new rank as if nothing special has happened. Wouldn’t be the first time something like that has happened (for a more sinister example, see Empire Strikes Back).

As for why – it probably basically comes down to Rytlock needing someone to do a job, deciding that you’re the best person to do it, and promoting you to the rank appropriate to perform that role. While your warband may still be small, the legions probably value results more than arbitrary numbers, and by then you’ve shown that while your warband is small, it (especially its leader) is still extremely capable.

Mobott.5908:

Well, I rolled Ash Legion, but that should only affect your 1-10 quests. Throughout my 10 – 20 line (Honorless Gladium), I was still referred to as Legionnaire, and I didn’t gain any warband members.

On another note, why is Dinky still the only member who accompanies me into story quests? There should 2 others that joined during the 1 – 10 quests.

The Honorless Gladium storyline is even worse than the sudden promotion to Centurion.

Kravick.4906:

Mobott.5908:

Well, I rolled Ash Legion, but that should only affect your 1-10 quests. Throughout my 10 – 20 line (Honorless Gladium), I was still referred to as Legionnaire, and I didn’t gain any warband members.

On another note, why is Dinky still the only member who accompanies me into story quests? There should 2 others that joined during the 1 – 10 quests.

The Honorless Gladium storyline is even worse than the sudden promotion to Centurion.

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The honorless gladium storyline made even less sense. Depending on the path you take, you end up breaking your dad out of jail, assault and possibly kill several city guards (equivalent of killing cops basically), and then murder your pursuer in cold blood. Your dad then jumps through the Asura gate never to be seen again. When you go to turn yourself in to Rytlock, he basically says, “Yeah I saw the whole thing, but don’t worry about it though. Even though the whole city saw what you did we’ll just pretend nothing happened. BTW, no explanation for you.” You never find out what the big deal is about why your dad needed to go find evidence of his innocence or why Rytlock lets you off the hook despite murdering several people. Then Rytlock gives you this super important mission as if nothing ever happened. That whole thing was very poorly written.

Rytlock says after you talk to him that it was a mistake to send to into the situation without more information. He says that under normal circumstances, you would be punished for it. However, for all he knows, Emer could have been in the wrong and your father in the right, so he can’t punish you for it. Rytlock trusts your decision, so he just lets it slide (he’s a tribune, he can do that). And you didn’t kill anyone except Emer, the soldiers were just basically “downed”, just like when you went you run out of health.

IIRC he impled some other information had come to light that made Emer seem questionable, or something.

What It made even less sense to me is that my tribune, the Iron Legion Tribune, disappears from my personal story and instead, me a Iron Legion legionnaire, I somehow have joined the Blood Legion since I report only to Rytlock.

Beyreva.8769:

What It made even less sense to me is that my tribune, the Iron Legion Tribune, disappears from my personal story and instead, me a Iron Legion legionnaire, I somehow have joined the Blood Legion since I report only to Rytlock.

I think that’s because, for whatever reason, Rytlock is just a little bit higher in command, and so a lot of the things that you need to do fall under his jurisdiction.

I think it has to do with Rytlock seeing the bigger picture. He doesn’t see his legion as the only end all way of doing things. So he keeps tabs on literally everything he can and keeps his paws in other legions business for knowledge sake.

If anyone was in the spot to become the next Kahn-Ur it would be him.

the ash legion one I did made general amounts of sense.
You fight alongside rytlock in the dukes tomb. You essentially help him directly, so he starts to recognize you. Then you basically end up being promoted because hell, you practically saved the dudes life. So then you’re a legionnaire. I went and helped my father, but I didnt bust him out of jail. I ordered him out, as legionnaire I cowed the jailman into letting him out for a bit. Then I saved the entire higher body of charr rulers from a flame effigy, which IIRC earned me my promotion to centurion.

Actually, from memory promotion to Legionnaire comes through your own legion’s methods – Iron and Ash just recognise that you’re the best out of the survivors and promote you, as Blood your legionnaire survives and you have to fight for it.

I’m not sure about Rytlock becoming Khan-Ur, but there is a suggestion that while Malice and Smodur are behind the treaty, Bangar has been proving a bit of a loose cannon. I suspect that Rytlock happening to come from the legion who’s Imperator seems most likely to need replacing is no coincidence.

He might then be able to go for Khan-Ur, but Smodur and Malice both seem to have a pretty good handle on the big picture, and Smodur seems to be the leading candidate at the moment.

Mobott.5908:

I think that’s because, for whatever reason, Rytlock is just a little bit higher in command, and so a lot of the things that you need to do fall under his jurisdiction.

The thing is, that from character creation you’re told that this land(Ascalon) belongs to the Iron Legion. The other two legions are “guests” that came over to help with the ghosts and such, but the Black Citadel(Ascalon) is under Iron Legion “jurisdiction”. I know that Rytlock is a big-shot and everything, but I can’t understand how my character, Iron Legion, considers that he doesn’t need to report his findings to his own legion 1st. If you didn’t chose Blood Legion, Rytlock should be there only as a consultant, and you character should report to his respective tribune.

“I respect no authority but the clenched fist of my Legion.”

Mobott.5908:

Rytlock says after you talk to him that it was a mistake to send to into the situation without more information. He says that under normal circumstances, you would be punished for it. However, for all he knows, Emer could have been in the wrong and your father in the right, so he can’t punish you for it. Rytlock trusts your decision, so he just lets it slide (he’s a tribune, he can do that). And you didn’t kill anyone except Emer, the soldiers were just basically “downed”, just like when you went you run out of health.

I did this not more than a day ago. The only thing you’ve said that is correct is that Rytlock admits he made a mistake sending me in without more information. As for “downing” the guards, mechanically within the game, yes that is what happened. I’ll just let that one go, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that every single guard I chucked grenades at, dropped bombs on, and shot bullets at somehow survived. At the very least thats still assault with a deadly weapon and can be construed as intent to kill. Lets not forget the jail break itself which is considered a capital offense.

With that said, this all took place inside the Iron legion city. Rytlock has no authority there except for his own legion. My character is Iron legion. I fall under the jurisdiction of Iron regardless of what the circumstances are. Remember, Blood and Ash are guests ATM. Then there is still the fact that I murdered Emer. It doesn’t matter that Emer “may” have been suspected of being involved. Emer was only “suspect”. Emer was only doing her job as a Legionnaire by trying to stop me. I killed her. That makes me a murderer. Even if Emer was guilty, thats still murder. No sentence of death had been given to Emer as of that point.

We also don’t know whos legion Emer belonged too. If Emer was blood, then I can see Rytlock pardoning the crime of murder with the Blood legion. However, the murder itself still happened on Iron legion soil. There is also the matter of the jail break and the assault on the city guards, which would fall under the jurisdiction of the Iron legion. It would take one heck of a silver tongue to convince the Iron legion not to press charges after that little rampage and I don’t see Rytlock having THAT much pull.

If Emer was Iron legion or Ash legion, Rytlock can’t do anything, period. There is just to many plot holes here and zero explanation of what was really going on. This part of the story was badly written. The other two storylines (Flame dad and Honorable sire) were very well written and I enjoyed em both. Gladium father is bad. Very bad.

The Centurion thing makes no sense, no. It just feels like pointless, unexplained, nonsensical ego-stroking. Even the Legionnaire title is pretty meaningless since the warband just vanishes as soon as you start the “sire” storyline. I really wish Anet had made the cultural storylines the focus of the game and fleshed the respective characters out more.

I had no issues with the gladium sire storyline… but then, I chose to execute him. Making a decision that makes sense to a charr just happened to lead to a part of the story that makes sense for the charr.

Ben K.7329:

I had no issues with the gladium sire storyline… but then, I chose to execute him. Making a decision that makes sense to a charr just happened to lead to a part of the story that makes sense for the charr.

I did that as well, and it is a much better choice in terms of story cohesion. It doesn’t excuse the very valid opinions expressed above though. Neither does it really change the fact that the “Centurion promotion” is very odd and abrupt, and kind of needless.

Everyone I’ve talked to had a “wait, what??” moment at it.

in one story line i remember it being a sudden field promotion but i cant remember which.

Kravick.4906:

Mobott.5908:

Rytlock says after you talk to him that it was a mistake to send to into the situation without more information. He says that under normal circumstances, you would be punished for it. However, for all he knows, Emer could have been in the wrong and your father in the right, so he can’t punish you for it. Rytlock trusts your decision, so he just lets it slide (he’s a tribune, he can do that). And you didn’t kill anyone except Emer, the soldiers were just basically “downed”, just like when you went you run out of health.

I did this not more than a day ago. The only thing you’ve said that is correct is that Rytlock admits he made a mistake sending me in without more information. As for “downing” the guards, mechanically within the game, yes that is what happened. I’ll just let that one go, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that every single guard I chucked grenades at, dropped bombs on, and shot bullets at somehow survived. At the very least thats still assault with a deadly weapon and can be construed as intent to kill. Lets not forget the jail break itself which is considered a capital offense.

With that said, this all took place inside the Iron legion city. Rytlock has no authority there except for his own legion. My character is Iron legion. I fall under the jurisdiction of Iron regardless of what the circumstances are. Remember, Blood and Ash are guests ATM. Then there is still the fact that I murdered Emer. It doesn’t matter that Emer “may” have been suspected of being involved. Emer was only “suspect”. Emer was only doing her job as a Legionnaire by trying to stop me. I killed her. That makes me a murderer. Even if Emer was guilty, thats still murder. No sentence of death had been given to Emer as of that point.

We also don’t know whos legion Emer belonged too. If Emer was blood, then I can see Rytlock pardoning the crime of murder with the Blood legion. However, the murder itself still happened on Iron legion soil. There is also the matter of the jail break and the assault on the city guards, which would fall under the jurisdiction of the Iron legion. It would take one heck of a silver tongue to convince the Iron legion not to press charges after that little rampage and I don’t see Rytlock having THAT much pull.

If Emer was Iron legion or Ash legion, Rytlock can’t do anything, period. There is just to many plot holes here and zero explanation of what was really going on. This part of the story was badly written. The other two storylines (Flame dad and Honorable sire) were very well written and I enjoyed em both. Gladium father is bad. Very bad.

You’re trying to somehow squeeze the entire charr culture into a human like justice system. But Charr don’t work like that. I read the two gw novels, and in the second one at the end it is more or less explained how rytlock obtained his rank: by basically killing everyone that opposed or made fun of him, taking their places. If you can kill them fair and square, it means you are better than them. Similar to gaining legionnaire rank in the blood legion story.

Now you might argue that it only works like this within the blood legion. Then again I am pretty sure there was a small piece of conversation bewteen rytlock and your tribune, going somehow like this: “For the duration of this mission, your legionnaire will report to me”, basically putting you under blood legion rules for the mission, giving rytlock jurisdiction.

LameFox.6349:

I recall this being explained in my blood legion story, but not iron legion. I don’t remember how it was explained, but I think it was at least mentioned.

Pretty much this. In the Blood Legion story, you assume direct command of your warband, after dealing with your previous leader.

I found it quite strange when my Iron Legion engineer was being called Legionnaire too.

Yay personal story continuity oversights.

Promotion by challenging isn’t the only form of promotion you can have. The Ash and, I think, Iron storylines grant the promotion with little fanfare – your warband only has two members left and the other member defers to you, so you’re the legionnaire by default. It’s only in the Blood storyline that the change in leadership is a plot point.

Part of Rytlock’s authority is what was given to him by Smodur. Rytlock’s official duty is “vanguard for the Black Citadel”. This means that the safety of the Citadel is actually his responsibility, which also explains why (in the blood Legion story) he was in charge of engaging the Flame Legion when they attacked the Citadel as well as why he has his hands in the Ash Legion storyline.

Smodur still has the final say in things and can override Rytlock, but since the Blood Legion Tribune does a kitten good job at keeping the citadel safe, Smodur doesn’t interfere.