Guild Wars 2

Taking one of the quivers for example:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endless_Quiver
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endless_Quiver_%28Infused%29

50 ecto for base item, THEN 250 ecto to add 5 agony resist onto it? Not to mention a stack of t6 fine materials. And then, the actual infusion with stats costs you ANOTHER 100 t6 items?

This is madness. I’m having second thoughts on the idea of high end FotM farming.

Please, please, PLEASE tell me I’m wrong in this. I want to be wrong.

Yep, it’s madness.

It’s even greater madness to have to do that without proper tools like damage meters and gear score.

Damage meters and gearscore are unnecessary and irrelevant to this thread.

I wouldn´t be surprised if receipts for ascended rings would be discovered in the near future – with even higher costs.

And they will add more ascended items in the near future which won´t be cheaper if this kitten here works for them, this is just the beginning.

If you look at one of the big reason’s for ascended gear, it was to fill the void in time to obtain a piece between getting exotics and legendaries. Legendaries take 1-2 months to get for semi-hardcore players compared to exotics which take a day to a few days. Thus ascended gear was always going to require weeks to farm. A full set of jewellery and back pack will be similar to obtaining a legendary.

You could argue that those with gold could just buy 90% of the items but that’s the same with most games. If you have gold you can buy most of the best gear.

The extra 250 ectos is for ADDED agony resistance. It will almost certainly be a standard recipe for every gear piece. Before this, we knew the need for infusion upgrades to slot into the ascended items. We now know its possible to double the infusion amount in each gear piece.

People are already doing fractal 20+ with 1-2 infused pieces, it appears a full set will not be required until very high up. Bottom line, this should have been expected as AN always intended to make these items much more difficult to get than exotics. In the meantime it is possible to do lower fractals (when agony start) with 0-1 pieces.

Thank you Anet for proving yet again that my fears were well-founded.
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Can’t we PLEASE just scrap the stat increase on these things?

Well if you think about it the infusion part is just +5 agony resistance. Which is only useful if your doing FOTM. Anywhere else and its a useless stat. So basically that infusion is only for the hardcore people that are trying to get as deep into that dungeon as possible.

Realistically, as long as BASE ascended gear is obtainable without insane requirements, i’m ok with the crazy high INFUSION costs. Why? Because its a stat thats only needed in a specific dungeon. All i REALLY need is the base ascended gear, and the 50 ecto/ 250 T6 cost, while high, isn’t insane imo.

Well it certainly is a step between legendaries. at least 55 for crafted exotics, 300 for infused ascended stuff, ~500 for legendaries :P

penatbater.4710:

Well it certainly is a step between legendaries. at least 55 for crafted exotics, 300 for infused ascended stuff, ~500 for legendaries :P

But I think people are so upset because legendaries were always sold as being about the skin. There are slightly better stats, yes, but nothing gamebreaking. Plus, most people really only go for one legendary, maybe two if they are trying to get eternity (that’s the combined GS right?). However, with ascended gear it IS clearly better stat wise and to stay competitve you will have to have it. Right now it’s only accessory/backpacks, but soon it will be armor. Which will be 11 pieces rather than 4 max (assuming somebody has time to make 4 legendaries and dual wield both weapon sets)

I think the prices for this are way too high, the ascended item itself it’s acceptable, but the infused version costing 250 ectos more it’s just insane.

Now, if ectos were dropping as well as comming from savage to lower their price…that might be reasonable. But at 20s+ each we are talking about 50-60g+ and another 50-60g from t6 mats just for an item.

Yeah…think about it from the viewpoint of someone starting when you can have a complete set of ascended gear, each costing 50 ectos – that is quite an investment.
Not to mention the cost of the other ingredients.
Especially if our other concerns (= this gear merely being the first step in vertical gear progression and/or this gear, together with the infusion slots, becoming mandatory for future expansions) prove to be founded, too…

Not to mention the fact that the need for even more ectos actually sets you back quite bit on your way to your legendary – so much for closing the gap.

Well the ectos are not that bad to get. With 2 runs you can basically guarentee yourself to getting 10 ectos and about 2g worth of blue/green/crafting mats. I know I have gained about 10g worth of items and at least 50 ecto from rares in just 7 runs (4 lvl 1, 3 lvl 2) So you can get a full item in a week if you do it continuously for a 3-4 hrs and have a competent group. My friends and I are just trying to get everyone up to our lvl so we can progress together. The t6 mats are the real issue as a stack of some of the more rare ones will take longer than a week to get and if your after the berserker one that needs powerful blood (26s each) you are pretty screwed. That is about 65g worth for the back and another 26g for the infusion. Only the hard core player or market trader would be able to get that kind of gold easily.

Sleepy.2647:

Now, if ectos were dropping as well as comming from savage to lower their price…that might be reasonable. But at 20s+ each we are talking about 50-60g+ and another 50-60g from t6 mats just for an item.

The main problem here is the ecto bottleneck. Everything exotic and up requires ectos in large amounts.

So the simple solution is to make ectos drop as well as increase the salvage rate to guarantee at least 1 ecto from level 80 rares (which are the only rares being farmed now).

Wish they’d go back down to 18s though. even that is gonna help big time.

Yeah the cost for the backpacks is insane. A full 250 stack of T6 fine mats.

Tbh that’s just the right amount of ectos tbh, though it was gonna be way more, but this is just fine.

It’s not, because of the ecto bottleneck.

Why not require karka shells or passion fruits instead?

It was only a matter of time before people complained about the Ascended item cost, too.

You should probably try the suggestion forum.
Suggestion: Every time something increases to more than 10g or takes more than a day to acquire, ANet should triple the supply so it goes back down. That way, everyone can have one.

Makes me wonder if anyone from Anet actually sits down and plays their game. Has any of them actually sat around and tried to farm 250 ectos or 250 T6 mats? Or even enough gold to simply buy them?

Not only is there a huge gap between exotics and legendaries, but now there is also a huge gap between exotics and acended which is required to run high level fractals.

Hexgame.4802:

Makes me wonder if anyone from Anet actually sits down and plays their game. Has any of them actually sat around and tried to farm 250 ectos or 250 T6 mats? Or even enough gold to simply buy them?

Not only is there a huge gap between exotics and legendaries, but now there is also a huge gap between exotics and acended which is required to run high level fractals.

1. Legendaries take ~500 ectos and 250 stack of EACH t6 mat so I’m pretty sure it’s possible/doable and
2. Ascended stuff was intended to be the gap between exotics and legendaries. Tbh it’s not that big of a deal unless you want to go further in the fotm.

penatbater.4710:

Hexgame.4802:

Makes me wonder if anyone from Anet actually sits down and plays their game. Has any of them actually sat around and tried to farm 250 ectos or 250 T6 mats? Or even enough gold to simply buy them?

Not only is there a huge gap between exotics and legendaries, but now there is also a huge gap between exotics and acended which is required to run high level fractals.

1. Legendaries take ~500 ectos and 250 stack of EACH t6 mat so I’m pretty sure it’s possible/doable and
2. Ascended stuff was intended to be the gap between exotics and legendaries. Tbh it’s not that big of a deal unless you want to go further in the fotm.

Except the Acended gear has better stats than exotics. They could have easily just gave acended gear the same stats as exotics and added the agony resistance. I’m not complaining about there being a gap, I’m complaining about the gap being too large.
Not everyone has multiple hours to play each day. This change drove up all prices of T6 mats, making it much more of a gear grind than it was previously. Before, it was just for cosmetics, which I was fine with.

Iehova.9518:

Taking one of the quivers for example:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endless_Quiver
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endless_Quiver_%28Infused%29

50 ecto for base item, THEN 250 ecto to add 5 agony resist onto it? Not to mention a stack of t6 fine materials. And then, the actual infusion with stats costs you ANOTHER 100 t6 items?

This is madness. I’m having second thoughts on the idea of high end FotM farming.

Please, please, PLEASE tell me I’m wrong in this. I want to be wrong.

Upgrading to the infused version only gives you 5 vs Agony, which does nothing anywhere except in higher difficulties of Fractals of the Mists. Unless you intend to play high difficulties of FotM, there’s no reason to spend that 250e. And if you do, remember that that extra resistance is a reward for your dedication.

penatbater, that is very true. The ectos are fine and yes it takes alot of them but even being a casual player myself am fine with that part of it. If I wanted to I could probably get 200-250 ectos in 4-5 days of hard core running fractual lvl 2 on average I am getting 10ectos from salvaging the rares every 2 runs so that is about 50 runs at 1 hr 30 mins. Which is 75 hrs of game play.

My biggest issue is the stack of t6 mats per piece. I mean 100 would be just fine but 250 is a bit much for 1 piece in my opinion. The Legendary is just that legendary and the only thing I previously complained about was the precursor and if the prices stays around 100g I won’t complain about that either. The previous rate of inflation was increasing more than my bank funds lol. I am even okay with the infusion being another 100 t6 mats.

So basically the backpack can cost anywhere from 4.95g(Ancient Bones) to 63g(Powerful blood) in t6 mats depending on which material you need for your backpack. This doesn’t include the 50 ecto which is approx. 11.94g. So in total a backpack range is 16.9g – 74.95g. That is a very large difference for the same lvl backpack. Then you add in the cost of infusioning the item, your looking at about 130g for 1 infused backpack. Then you have even more cost to fill the infusion slot with another 100 t6 mats. I can see why people are complaining.

Just imagine, only imagine that “tomorrow” they add all ascended gear and everything costs about the same as backpacks…you would need over 1k gold to gear yourself…that’s just insane.
The cost of the item itself is sort of reasonable, but the infused version it’s ridiculous…it shouldn’t cost anything but tokens imo…after all it’s just agony what you get.

Even the base cost is way too much (especially when you consider that there will be eventually a full set of ascended weapons, armor and accessories). Added cost is so far beyond reasonable it’s not even funny.

I am wondering if loot in the high tiers of the fractals are good enough to justify spending so many resources on argony resistance? Because to make 50gold you need to do tons of fractals.

Honestly? About loot: no. You’re just forced to it, if you want to go deeper
BTW, to answer the OP: well, the Anet economist said weeks ago he was planning to make us use ectos a lot. Now you see the results.

Hexgame.4802:

Makes me wonder if anyone from Anet actually sits down and plays their game. Has any of them actually sat around and tried to farm 250 ectos or 250 T6 mats? Or even enough gold to simply buy them?

Not only is there a huge gap between exotics and legendaries, but now there is also a huge gap between exotics and acended which is required to run high level fractals.

Ever legendary owner have done that(500+ectos, full 250 all t6 stack) And there is plenty of people running around with their total gear / stash worth of of several hundreds if not thousands of gold. There was a period of time when the phlinx and penitent/shelter is not nerfed and ANet relieved the DR on loot. Earlier there was also time when there were no loot DR at all before phlinx becomes the “source of karma”. What Anet is trying to do is to extend the time span for people to get the top end gear. So that the gap(if there is a gap….) between a hardcore players and normal players is reduced. I find the profit for farming dropped a bit but there are alternative way to get gold. (new map, trading post). Just don’t rush with those all new ascending gear now. It’s only been a week…

Recently.1043:

Well if you think about it the infusion part is just +5 agony resistance. Which is only useful if your doing FOTM. Anywhere else and its a useless stat. So basically that infusion is only for the hardcore people that are trying to get as deep into that dungeon as possible.

Realistically, as long as BASE ascended gear is obtainable without insane requirements, i’m ok with the crazy high INFUSION costs. Why? Because its a stat thats only needed in a specific dungeon. All i REALLY need is the base ascended gear, and the 50 ecto/ 250 T6 cost, while high, isn’t insane imo.

Also infusions for defensive, offensive and, omni slots are not limited to agony resist; also +5 agony resist reduces the damage it does by like 87%. That all being said one can cunclude that even casual players that want asended gear but do not want to run FotM often, can infuse 1 or 2 peices leaving the slots open for other stats in other dungeons.

On topic I think the biggest thing I am disappointed about is the rediculous expense to make just fine class infusions. They stated in the release blod of asended gear that they will add more infusions of higher classes later, so for those of you who where thinking of making say +5 prec +5 agony resist might hold off till the exotic/asended lvl of infusions are release.

lastly @Hexgame I had 1500 ectos at one point (when they where 13s) and sold them when they hit 24s around a 38-40% return. However, I farmed them all and the gold to buy them knowing the price would go up eventually, you too can do this very easily

Can infuse a skinny backpack item or i’m going to loose my skin?

Nice necro of a one year old thread