Guild Wars 2

Hi!
I’ve been working a lot lately on acquiring my first Legendary weapon, the Incinerator (missing the precursor and some Karma), and in the process I’ve noticed that ArenaNet is making it easier and easier to get one.

Here is why:

• You now get Jugs of Karma from daily and monthly achievements.
• You get Drops of Liquid Karma and Bags of Gold in Dungeons
• You get Dungeon Tokens from Boss drops in Dungeons
• You can now buy Obsidian Shard in the Fractals of the Mist for Fractal Relics
• You can buy Dessa’s Experiment Journal and get 1 Skill Point
• Karma booster effect the Jugs of Karma and Drops of Liquid Karma

Don’t get me wrong, because I love the changes in the way that they help me acquire my Incinerator, but I fear this will have a negative effect in the long run. As everything was, you would need to work ridiculously hard to get the mats for one, but now they’ve simplified the process. I feel sorry for the ones who already got their Legendaries, because they could have saved lots of Gold and time if they had waited until now.j

I fear that owning a Legendary weapon will soon be “normal”, so you won’t feel special when wielding your Twilight. I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to keep them really hard to get, so that those few that worked hard and got one, would really feel special.

So what is you thought about this?

tl;dr: I fear that the changes made to Karma, skill points and Obsidian Shards farming are going to have a negative effect on the game.

Have you checked how many charged lodestones are on TP right now? They were about 400 units 3 or 4 days ago. Now they are almost 1000.

Just cuz you bought your gold for ridicules amount of money, and now its cheaper and easier, doesn’t mean you need to start QQ like a whipped bishlet you are. Man up!

Yeah, getting in early in many cases was much better than competing now. The more people who are ready to go for them, the more the competition for resources will increase and drive up the demand.

Getting a precursor was much easier early on than it is now. Getting some of the mats was much easier before than it is now.

Of course its gonna get easier to get “epic” stuff as the game goes on. Thats cause as more and more people reach cap, farm stuff to sell, finish using what they need so sell surplus, more and more will appear on the TP and with more and more competition. The perk to having something “first” in an MMO is bragging rights, generally at a higher cost. But as i learned from years of MMOs, in the end it doesnt matter who had the item first, it matter how much that item cost you and how many xtra items you were able to aquire for the same price I personally expect it to get even easier to get a “first generation” legendary. Of course when they impliment the second generation of legendaries, im sure those will be a pain to get for the first 6 months or so as well.

Geiir.7603:

I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to keep them really hard to get, so that those few that worked hard and got one, would really feel special.

I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to give people an option of having really beautiful skins with special effects if they wanted them. As far as I’m concerned, the point of those weapons was not to slap e-kitten on other people’s face.

I’m thinking about getting Sunrise, since it’s easy (as in, it’s just a matter of time until someone plays the game enough to get enough karma and enough gold; it may take a while, but whatever). I want that sword because IMO it’s beautiful. I couldn’t care less if I’m the only player in the game who has it, or if every single character has a pretty Sunrise in its inventory – the fact I like how it looks is enough for me.

Geiir.7603:

Hi!
I’ve been working a lot lately on acquiring my first Legendary weapon, the Incinerator (missing the precursor and some Karma), and in the process I’ve noticed that ArenaNet is making it easier and easier to get one.

Here is why:

• You now get Jugs of Karma from daily and monthly achievements.
• You get Drops of Liquid Karma and Bags of Gold in Dungeons
• You get Dungeon Tokens from Boss drops in Dungeons
• You can now buy Obsidian Shard in the Fractals of the Mist for Fractal Relics
• You can buy Dessa’s Experiment Journal and get 1 Skill Point
• Karma booster effect the Jugs of Karma and Drops of Liquid Karma

Don’t get me wrong, because I love the changes in the way that they help me acquire my Incinerator, but I fear this will have a negative effect in the long run. As everything was, you would need to work ridiculously hard to get the mats for one, but now they’ve simplified the process. I feel sorry for the ones who already got their Legendaries, because they could have saved lots of Gold and time if they had waited until now.j

I fear that owning a Legendary weapon will soon be “normal”, so you won’t feel special when wielding your Twilight. I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to keep them really hard to get, so that those few that worked hard and got one, would really feel special.

So what is you thought about this?

tl;dr: I fear that the changes made to Karma, skill points and Obsidian Shards farming are going to have a negative effect on the game.

I am the third person on my server I’ve seen with The Dreamer… before this patch (haven’t logged in awhile). I have also seen a couple with Twilight, Dawn, and the Incinerator. Oddly, I have only seen one Bifrost.

I’ve had the same fear too. I mean, RNG is out of control (I had much better luck than most but my position still stands given how many post mention it with corroborating data) for precursors but it should still remain a very difficult process only for the most dedicated and persistent. Every time I’m near someone with a legendary I’ll go, “OMG OMG! Gotta screenshot!” and soon enough it won’t be like that anymore =(

Erasculio.2914:

Geiir.7603:

I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to keep them really hard to get, so that those few that worked hard and got one, would really feel special.

I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to give people an option of having really beautiful skins with special effects if they wanted them. As far as I’m concerned, the point of those weapons was not to slap e-kitten on other people’s face.

I’m thinking about getting Sunrise, since it’s easy (as in, it’s just a matter of time until someone plays the game enough to get enough karma and enough gold; it may take a while, but whatever). I want that sword because IMO it’s beautiful. I couldn’t care less if I’m the only player in the game who has it, or if every single character has a pretty Sunrise in its inventory – the fact I like how it looks is enough for me.

It is a beautiful weapon and it can look orange, red, or even blue depending on your proximity to it. Here’s a picture of it on someone I’ve seen in LA (I’m the ninja):

If only screen captures had the same resolution as the actual game settings =( Maybe I should use Frap’s photo capture?

Agemnon.4608:

It is a beautiful weapon and it can look orange, red, or even blue depending on your proximity to it. Here’s a picture of it on someone I’ve seen in LA (I’m the ninja):

If only screen captures had the same resolution as the actual game settings =( Maybe I should use Frap’s photo capture?

Are you from SoR?

Erasculio.2914:

Geiir.7603:

I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to keep them really hard to get, so that those few that worked hard and got one, would really feel special.

I thought the point of Legendary weapons was to give people an option of having really beautiful skins with special effects if they wanted them. As far as I’m concerned, the point of those weapons was not to slap e-kitten on other people’s face.

I’m thinking about getting Sunrise, since it’s easy (as in, it’s just a matter of time until someone plays the game enough to get enough karma and enough gold; it may take a while, but whatever). I want that sword because IMO it’s beautiful. I couldn’t care less if I’m the only player in the game who has it, or if every single character has a pretty Sunrise in its inventory – the fact I like how it looks is enough for me.

No. You are absolutely incorrect about what Legendaries should be according ANet. However, I am not surprised they follow this politicy and back down to their earlier words that they will keep legendaries only to less than 5% of the population.

So much for working for one.

Most people simply don’t know how to farm the materials effective…

You don’t need more than 4 weeks with average play time.. but most of the people rather qq in the forum =_=

It’s not really easier, as the prices for obsi shard and skill point is still high. It’s just giving you another alternative method of getting them. When before you would have to spend X amounts of time running plinx, now you get to spend A amount of time doing dungeons, B amount of time farming for armor and stuff to buy obsi shards and C amount of time actually karma farming (where X = A + B + C, in terms of time, and hopefully amount of relative karma/skillpoints/whatever you need). You hit DR way less, you get to do a variety of activities, and they all point to achieving your goal. I don’t understand what’s so wrong with that? That’s not to say it’s easier, just more diverse and less boring (and less QQ coz of the DR thing. I.e., karma farm in orr, hit karma DR, go run a few dungeons to get karma rewards, karma farm in orr, hit dr, do dailies, loot farm, convert to badges, karma farm again, etc.)

Its definately easier. Pre cursor price is tanking, lodestone prices will go down after this weekend, skill points are a non-issue anyway, but karma is easier than ever, and an extra source of obsi shards is ez-mode. Good luck

zOLtAm.7824:

Agemnon.4608:

It is a beautiful weapon and it can look orange, red, or even blue depending on your proximity to it. Here’s a picture of it on someone I’ve seen in LA (I’m the ninja):

If only screen captures had the same resolution as the actual game settings =( Maybe I should use Frap’s photo capture?

Are you from SoR?

Yep, here from the start ^_^

Ï can see that people think I’m complaining, which is wrong and I’m sorry that people got me like that.

I was just stating my fears. I understand that more and more people will get Legendary weapons, but what I don’t like is that ANet is making it easier and easier to get one.

That there will be more mats available as more and more people reach lvl cap and start farming (i.e. Lodestones) is a natural way, but not that ANet is creating easier ways for people to get Karma.

Before this patch you had to get 525,000 karma to buy the Obsidian Shards, now you just need to do a little farming (nothing compared to try to get karma) of the new and exciting dungeon; the Fractals of the Mist and buy Obsidian Shards. I’ve already acquired 70 shards from the Fractals…

Brijac.7580:

Just cuz you bought your gold for ridicules amount of money, and now its cheaper and easier, doesn’t mean you need to start QQ like a whipped bishlet you are. Man up!

I have not bought any gold, nor was that my plan. I’ve done a lot of farming and as I’ve already stated earlier in this post; I’m not QQing. I’m writing my concerns. As far as I can see you didn’t bring anything positive to this topic.

My concerns is that soon Legendary weapons will be something everyone have…

Geiir.7603:

Ï can see that people think I’m complaining, which is wrong and I’m sorry that people got me like that.

I was just stating my fears. I understand that more and more people will get Legendary weapons, but what I don’t like is that ANet is making it easier and easier to get one.

That there will be more mats available as more and more people reach lvl cap and start farming (i.e. Lodestones) is a natural way, but not that ANet is creating easier ways for people to get Karma.

Before this patch you had to get 100 gold to buy the Obsidian Shards, now you just need to do a little farming (nothing compared to try to get 100 gold) of the new and exciting dungeon; the Fractals of the Mist and buy Obsidian Shards. I’ve already acquired 70 shards from the Fractals…

Brijac.7580:

Just cuz you bought your gold for ridicules amount of money, and now its cheaper and easier, doesn’t mean you need to start QQ like a whipped bishlet you are. Man up!

I have not bought any gold, nor was that my plan. I’ve done a lot of farming and as I’ve already stated earlier in this post; I’m not QQing. I’m writing my concerns. As far as I can see you didn’t bring anything positive to this topic.

My concerns is that soon Legendary weapons will be something everyone have…

Let me be one of the first to point out that obby shards take 2.1k karma ea and not 1g ea.

I am going to attempt to give you some perspective. As people level there will be more legendaries. Since the history of MMO’s the first people to level, get rare item, handle end game content etc have placed value on getting it done. However, if you play long enough you will realize many people will get it done. It is true the first generation of an item or content is hard second is easier and depending on the grind for items it should get even eiser still.

Now here’s no perspective, The value is not in the item but then when. Server first have always been a point of mention in PvE and will likely be that for some time as it is part of the mmo culture. Instead of worrying how easy it is for the next guy to get (as it will get inherently easier with time no matter what you do) focus on your personal achievement.

If you truly want to make point do other things other can not or will not (solo dungeons level guilds solo etc). At the end of the day all that matter is that you realize you did something of note with your time not others.

mosspit.8936:

Geiir.7603:

Ï can see that people think I’m complaining, which is wrong and I’m sorry that people got me like that.

I was just stating my fears. I understand that more and more people will get Legendary weapons, but what I don’t like is that ANet is making it easier and easier to get one.

That there will be more mats available as more and more people reach lvl cap and start farming (i.e. Lodestones) is a natural way, but not that ANet is creating easier ways for people to get Karma.

Before this patch you had to get 100 gold to buy the Obsidian Shards, now you just need to do a little farming (nothing compared to try to get 100 gold) of the new and exciting dungeon; the Fractals of the Mist and buy Obsidian Shards. I’ve already acquired 70 shards from the Fractals…

Brijac.7580:

Just cuz you bought your gold for ridicules amount of money, and now its cheaper and easier, doesn’t mean you need to start QQ like a whipped bishlet you are. Man up!

I have not bought any gold, nor was that my plan. I’ve done a lot of farming and as I’ve already stated earlier in this post; I’m not QQing. I’m writing my concerns. As far as I can see you didn’t bring anything positive to this topic.

My concerns is that soon Legendary weapons will be something everyone have…

Let me be one of the first to point out that obby shards take 2.1k karma ea and not 1g ea.

My bad :p Edited the post now ^^

When i look for a skin for my weapon, the only thing i care about is if it will look good or not. Whether other people have the same skin or not does not influence that, so it’s completely irrelevant for me. I also don’t get any satisfaction from seeing others are denied the good things i have. My happiness does not depend on unhappiness of others.

Therefore, i don’t really understand your reasoning and don’t agree with it. If legendaries become more accessible, more people will be able to get them and thus more people will be satisfied. That seems good to me.

Geiir.7603:

• You can now buy Obsidian Shard in the Fractals of the Mist for Fractal Relics

Obtaining Obsidian Shards in the Fractals does not seem that worth while since it costs 15 Tokens for just 1. It is more likely that just straight karma farming is still faster (especially with karma jugs). The only nice thing about buying them from FotM is that you do not have to worry about Balth Temple being open or not.

Now, I have not gotten to far into FotM (Diff. 4), so maybe more Tokens drop in higher difficulties?

Honestly, this is a nice alternative for some people than anything else.

Edit: Also, buying skillpoints is not that big of a deal either since skillpoint requirements for a legendary are mostly a none issue when trying to complete the other components.

It seems there are a lot of people crying because once more people have this weapon skin, other people won’t think they’re as cool. I find it sad that there even exists a breed of humans that are concerned about how other people perceive them on an online video game. If you already have one, you will never lose that sense of accomplishment that you gained when you worked hard for something you wanted and got it. If this game is such a huge component in your life that you feel anet is discounting your personal experience by making a weapon skin more widely available to their huge base of players, it might be time to turn off the computer and step outside for a little while. It will do you some good.

/rant

If you spent any time playing the first guild wars, you would know that anet always takes care of their players and keeps the game fun and interesting. Have some patience and give them some time. This game hasn’t been out three months. They are only human you know…

So good. Legendaries were ridiculous in the first place.

Since they nerfed Plinx, it makes sense that Karma should be obtainable in other ways.

I’m also a big fan of the dungeon update where each boss drops about 20s total if you use an Omnonberry Bar.

wait how did they nerf plinx? :O

Lodestones and Tier 6 mats are now the primary method of preventing “common” players from getting their legendaries. That and the 120 gold requirement. Personally if it wasn’t for the fact that I needed 120 gold I would be significantly closer… OH- How could I forget the kitten precursor?…

It’s harder actually.

Precusor still the same.
Gift of fortune went from around 150+g to 380+g (still increasing).
Some lodestone decreased in price (destroyers) but legendary using those are still harder to make than before.

IN MY OPINION, the idea that only 5% of the population was only ever meant to get a legendary was never the intention. They may have said that, but then why put it as an achievement on the character screan, thus making it a goal for most players (if not all). Is it meant to be a long term goal? Yes. But not impossible. By the time most people get around to getting one, more skins will be in game and the people that currently have one will move on to the newest and shiniest. People may decide they don’t want an older one and shift focus on the new ones. This is an MMO, and one with alot of new content. I’m sure you don’t need to worry about seeing the same legendary on every person you come across. Again this is just my opinion. But yes, I do think certain aspects were made easier/more attainable and other were made more difficult/expensive.

I don’t get how karma even matters. You’ll have way more karma than you know what to do with before you get the ~600g needed for everything else.

Kain Francois.4328:

So good. Legendaries were ridiculous in the first place.

Since they nerfed Plinx, it makes sense that Karma should be obtainable in other ways.

I’m also a big fan of the dungeon update where each boss drops about 20s total if you use an Omnonberry Bar.

Plinx respawn time increase do not affect your speed of making karma almost in no way anyways. And… karma is easyer to obtain than the rest of the things required.

Legendary weapons are hard and really expensive? Yes. And they should be, its fine.

P.S.: MAGIC FIND does NOT apply to the chests. Only the loot from the mobs.