Guild Wars 2

So I Crafted 1,500 Greatswords for the mystic forge.

Materials required:
36,000 Mithril Ore
18,000 Elder Logs
22,500 Large Fang

this is a quick picture for proof. http://i.minus.com/iTaJexROqeBQo.jpg
here is a whole album for further proof. http://minus.com/mTlGiMA85C3Yy

in the end i was left with nothing.

TLDR: kitten Guild Wars 2

edit: yes these were level 80 rare greatswords

man, that sucks…like really bad…

the experiment brings me to a total of over 2,000 level 80 rares combined in the forge. at this point i will now be quitting. and im going to do my best to spread the word about this.

So either you are the most unlucky person alive, the forge is bugged or the drop rate is under .002% for rares, assuming you would get dusk the next time using the forge (2000/4 = 5oo tries, 1/500 = .002%)…

Either way I will not be dumping anything into the forge or buying from the TP until Anet makes another announcement (for precursors)…

That really blows. If you would have sold all those on the TP though since you had them all at once, it would’ve been between 250-300g… pretty close to just buying a precursor from someone selling it.

People claim that there is about 20% rate to get an exotic when throwing 4 rares in the MF. And say that you have an equal amount of chance (it is probably lower tho right?) getting Dusk as any other GS. There are about 100 different GS you could get (only did a quick count on gw2db, might be off).

So 0.2*0.01=0.002=0.2% to get Dusk on average. So sure, on AVERAGE you should have gotten one with 500 combines but it’s not like you are super unlucky or anything…

Anet, are you serious?

Using the forge is like going to a casino. The only difference is that the items in question here are virtual. You lost virtual items on a virtual casino. Please, don’t go to a real casino.

isn’t that a dawn there on the last pic? or does dawn share a tooltip with a diff weapon? also, got anything interesting (apart from what you wanted ofc :c)

skybringer is probably what you are lookin at

Tomcat, even if the drop rate is much higher, eg: .1% or something, that means there will be plenty of people who will never ever get the drop. It doesn’t even make him particularly unlucky. In the example, 50% of people would get a drop rate lower than .1%. He’d just be on the wrong side of average.

In any case, that’s gotta hurt. I personally like the luck element, but it sucks when you’re on the wrong end of it. I know the feeling =/

Ok, first of all you used rare weapons which has a 0.01% chance of getting a precursor. I used level 80 exotics and got “the lover” on my second try. But still 1,500 rares is unlucky, but 0.01% speaks for itself.

Oh My God!

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iBlasiannn.4279:

Ok, first of all you used rare weapons which has a 0.01% chance of getting a precursor. I used level 80 exotics and got “the lover” on my second try. But still 1,500 rares is unlucky, but 0.01% speaks for itself.

… and where do you get a definite 0.01% from?

It’s 0.2% for rares.

man i feel for u!

last night i put in 1550 lvl 80 rares and yeah nothing i got in return….
think i got around 80 exotic of em that i also put in and nothing :/ it rly sucks…

Many “honest persons” have become discouraged by the absence of real fix or at least official announcemet . I’m not saying everyone is cheater, some ppl just lucky about it but just couple.. But hey what’s the point of playing if we will not get anything at the end.

Are you going to play at real Casino with your income if you are not addictive ?

Looks like ArenaNet just wanna milking us without giving. They are just saying Buy Gems, Trade with Golds, Buy Mats, Create 2000+ kitten, Use …. hole Gamble Machine and saying " Sorry You Are Not Lucky This Time But Hey What About Buying Gems With Your Credit Cards" and all over again..

See they are just milking us / our money with ADDICTIVE GAMBLE like other Chinese, Korean game firms.

I tried all over constructive at other topics, but at the end i found my hands empty without any official saying.

last pic had quite a few of exotics in them, are there no dusk/dawn?

Yea… That’s definitely too much of a loss for nothing to show in return. No increased chances, no partial way towards Dusk/Dawn, just nothing, back to square one.

I’m a positive guy though, I believe Anet will agree that something like this shouldn’t be happening to anyone and will start making some changes. Untill they do, I’ll be keeping my distance from the Forge and continue with my gold gathering and dungeon running.

HolyCowBBQ.6371:

last pic had quite a few of exotics in them, are there no dusk/dawn?

nope i double checked, then combined them all until i had nothing left

I’m sorry I’m sorry….

What the flip?

Before reading this I had only sympathy for those who had chucked in say 50-100 rare/exotic weapons into the forge only to get zilch in return. And in the back of my mind I understood why A-net had made them so very rare simply because of the overwhelming share of the virtual economy they dominate.

But after reading this to find that someone had taken the time to gather the materials/money necessary to create 1,500 rares, I’m am just extremely kitten off. My heart goes out to this person.

To see someone put so much effort into what can only be described as the most ill-informed Mystic RNG in existence and get fudge all….

God I need to go sit down under a tree for a few minutes and take some breaths…

Give us some flippin’ information A-net. Your endgame is just a friggin’ lottery machine.

The chance for a precursor drop is too small right now, and anet HAS acknowledged this, and has stated that something will be changed, not willing to find a source for that atm. Since that is the current state of things, anyone who willingly gambles 1500 level 80 rare greatswords, knowing that the droprate is too small as stated by Anet, is simply too stupid to deserve to keep those 1500 greatswords. In an unrelated note, thank you for financing this game for us.

edit: yes these were level 80 rare greatswords

…Why did you waste so much time with something we know has a lower chance to get the precursors? Had you used exotics, there’s a higher chance you would have a precursor by now.

Pyroatheist.9031:

The chance for a precursor drop is too small right now, and anet HAS acknowledged this, and has stated that something will be changed, not willing to find a source for that atm. Since that is the current state of things, anyone who willingly gambles 1500 level 80 rare greatswords, knowing that the droprate is too small as stated by Anet, is simply too stupid to deserve to keep those 1500 greatswords. In an unrelated note, thank you for financing this game for us.

Any official response i could find thats related to this issue is

“We’ve seen players discussing the topic of crafting legendary precursor weapons and claiming that we’ve made changes to make this more difficult. We’d like to be clear that we did not make any across the board changes to reduce the drop rate, nor was it our intention to significantly increase the difficulty in acquiring these precursor weapons.
We did fix a few bugged recipes that were rewarding Legendary precursors more often than they should have been. These recipes were mostly using Rares in the level 70-75 range and mostly affected the precursors for the greatswords and the dagger. This has had some effect on the drop rate when using lower level rares to attempt to get a precursor but it was never intended for that to be the best way of acquiring these weapons. The recipes for throwing in level 80 exotics have not changed at all.
We have been watching the prices climbing on Legendary precursors and share your concerns about some of them becoming too expensive. We will continue to monitor the situation and will make any adjustments we feel are necessary.”

“HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL”

I dont know where you saw the post you claimed, but if that post wasnt posted in the thread on top of this forum, something is wrong in their head.

HolyCowBBQ.6371:

The recipes for throwing in level 80 exotics have not changed at all.

Kaeyu.4569:

edit: yes these were level 80 rare greatswords

Considering how exotic =/= rare…

Exotics are more expensive though. He had a choice to either have more attempts with lower chances or less attempts with higher chances. Since none of us know the actual drop chances for exptics or rare it’s impossible to tell which method is more optimal.

While the odds for level 80 exotics have not changed, the official response isn’t entirely clear on whether things have changed for level 80 rares.

HolyCowBBQ.6371:

Pyroatheist.9031:

The chance for a precursor drop is too small right now, and anet HAS acknowledged this, and has stated that something will be changed, not willing to find a source for that atm. Since that is the current state of things, anyone who willingly gambles 1500 level 80 rare greatswords, knowing that the droprate is too small as stated by Anet, is simply too stupid to deserve to keep those 1500 greatswords. In an unrelated note, thank you for financing this game for us.

Any official response i could find thats related to this issue is

“We have been watching the prices climbing on Legendary precursors and share your concerns about some of them becoming too expensive. We will continue to monitor the situation and will make any adjustments we feel are necessary.”

The part I isolated is the important part. “We share concerns about some of them becoming too expensive…make any adjustments we feel are necessary.”

Note that I never said, implied, or in any way, shape, or form stated that chances had changed. The only thing I said was that Anet recognizes that prices are climbing out of control for some of the precursors. A recognition of that sort implies an eventual change, and so anyone willing to toss in weapons before that eventual change is simply wasting cash, and obviously does not care about wasting it.

HolyCowBBQ.6371:

l2r son,

Missed, the point, “dad”. Exotics have a low drop rate to give precursors, as we all know. The OP, knowing that, decided to use something with an even lower drop rate. Those of us who understand probability are not surprised to see the outcome.

ATTENTION!!!!
This is not unlucky AT ALL!!

This is the normal drop rate for getting dusk/dawn and here is my reasoning for this statement:

Dusk costs 350g in the TP
Dawn costs 300g in the TP

Now if you look at the items you threw into the mystic forge:

1 Valkyrie Krait Slayer costs about 20s
you used 1500 of those so it costed you about 300g.

The price of Dusk and Dawn is determined by the difficulty to obtain them and also Dusk and Dawn both share the same recipe so it is still in the normal range of possibilities.

THERE IS NOTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS.

Oh, well if it’s not unusal then everything is fine…

Oh wait! No it’s not! That makes it worse! We’re here because we’re saying that the drop rate is way too low and that this should not in any way shape or form be normal.

Also, there’s this thing that’s called market manipulation. We don’t know what the actual average cost to produce dusk/dawn is. The TP proves nothing. And the average cost is pointless anyway because you can’t rely on average with such low RNG numbers.

I didn’t use caps but hopefully this’ll help you clear up a few things.

LoL at you for throwing 1500 rare GS into the Mystique forge .
Anyway didn’t you read the forum, about someone who already tried with 900g approximately 300 Exotique GS and got nothing ??

Why do people keep throwing around %s as fact when the fact is ANet have not released the drop rate percentages so please stop claiming the percentage is this, that or the other – it doesn’t help.

RNG at its best. It needs to go.

People are too focused on the Legendaries. There are a LOT of awesome skins out there for you to choose from. Wahoo, they have particle effects… and that’s about all that’s different. Keep spending your obscene amounts of gold and I will go with the unique skins that cost 5g.

Chillmastor.9234:

The price of Dusk and Dawn is determined by the difficulty to obtain them

Definitely, the only thing that determines the price of an item in the Trade House is the probability of getting it. Players never manipulate prices, or increase prices due to increased demand, or anything like that.

/sarcasm

Theres no grinding in gw2. What a joke.

you did 375 initial forges, you have 73 exotics meaning there were a further 95 attempts from all forge rares you recieved. The droprate is around 1 in 500 so it is not exactly surprising you didn’t get one, and also you got around the 1/6 exotic back ratio meaning you weren’t unlucky at all, thankyou for contributing your loss but theres not much sympathy to give cause if you were smarter or more conservative you would have just sold all your blades and bought the precursor, but you were greedy right? You wanted more than one and you took that chance. You gambled and you lost. You don’t see many who actually made precursors release such figures as this is because they likely got theirs in under 100 tries or so, and what are they doing now? Probably laughing at how lucky they were.

now to spread the word to everyone casinos are bad, oh wait, it stops no one.

Its a legendary…. LEG EN DARY, it should take for ever to get one and not just handed to you like candy, and you say you are left with nothing? sell the exotics from the forge, i cant tell which exotics you got back from the SS but im sure you can get close to your money back

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/ATTENTION-36-000-Mithril-Ore-18-000-Elder-Logs-22-500-Large-Fang-1-500-Level-80-RARE-Greatswords-Mystic-Forge-ABSOLUTELY-NOTHING/428025

So I Crafted 1,500 Greatswords for the mystic forge.

Materials required:
36,000 Mithril Ore
18,000 Elder Logs
22,500 Large Fang

this is a quick picture for proof. http://i.minus.com/iTaJexROqeBQo.jpg
here is a whole album for further proof. http://minus.com/mTlGiMA85C3Yy

in the end i was left with nothing.

TLDR: kitten Guild Wars 2

edit: yes these were level 80 rare greatswords

I love how these forums don’t let you quote. So professional/awesome. Worst. Forum. Software. Ever.

Kaeyu: Thank you very much for the time and effort. As a result, neither I nor anyone I know playing will ever attempt to obtain a Legendary as a result of your testing. And I mean that sincerely. I understand the time, effort and sacrifice you put into this, and I for one /bow in appreciation.

Arenanet: You should be ashamed such a system ever made it past design -> QA and into your game. “Luck” is not a valid gameplay mechanic. Skill would be, but getting a Legendary in GW2 is entirely due to random chance. There is no skill. So, way to fail, again.

Geeo.2154:

Its a legendary…. LEG EN DARY, it should take for ever to get one and not just handed to you like candy

Exactly, OP needs to put in some real time, effort and gold into this if he wants a legendary. Get out of here with your 300g+ in mats and get into the big leagues.

/sarcasm off

Telenn.6945:

Theres no grinding in gw2. What a joke.

Unfortunately for you, arenanet never said they wont be grinding. Actually, legendaries were added to the game BECAUSE people were whining how guild wars 2 has no grind.

Arenanet HAS said they wont force you to grind to level and to get the best gear statistically and those all true. if you look at guild wars 1, Arenanet has always placed a huge amount of grind on getting rare skins.

Soooo, while a few people might agree with your sensationalist post, unfortunately, in this case ignorance is bliss.

ADDED: OP you could have sold those weapons to get enough money to buy dusk and still have case to roll around. If you dont like to gamble in real life dont gamble either in a game. And stay a way from vega. BTW I sympathies with you, but I nobody really forced to do something like that either.

Simply casting my vote here for an Anet representative to read. I love so much of this game. There are so many awesome things that pulled me in, like vistas, exploration rewards and the epic lore behind the game. There are a lot of things that were done right with GW2 (in my opinion). I can count the amount of days I’ve missed playing since pre-release on one hand and I continue to enjoy the game, but not all is well. I am flat out afraid of using the mystic forge at this point (something that I was really excited to use before release) and for good reason. I just won’t to exchange days of my life in glowing virtual slot machine for a sense of loathing and frustration, because I’m not down with wasting my time. I feel so bad for the people who blazed ahead of on the trail just to be completely crushed by the random nonsense.

I completely agree with Legendary items being a long term goal and that precursor weapons should be rare. I don’t have a solution to this problem, but a problem it is. Seriously who has fun grinding to make enough money or mats to get Y number of weapon X to toss into the mystic forge? No one, that’s who. Remember games are suppose to be fun.

With faith in change,

Tyr

Again please applause the non rewarding guildwars 2.

I’d just like to ask a question to everyone who is telling the OP that he shouldn’t have gambled. If everybody takes your advice and stops gambling in the Mystic Forge, then where will all the precursors on the TP come from? Random drops in Orr? Yea, those only happen every other blue moon.

The fact is that the TP is not a magical source of guaranteed precursors, somebody always had to gamble for it. It always comes back to the Mystic Forge.

If you can tell OP that gambling was a bad idea and that the better solution is buying off the TP because it’s more reliable then I can safely assume that you don’t like the Mystic Forge gamble system either and would rather see it replaced with a more sensible way of obtaining precursors?

Or are you just here to be kitten?

Hi,

This thread has run its course and doesnt contribute in a constructive way to the forums.
Hence, it is closed.
Thanks for your understanding