Guild Wars 2

Ok i have spent lots of time in this game , the amounts of t6 rare crafting matierials to obtain nice items is just such a turn off , i have 11 fangs and need 250 lol and i mean 11 since i started playing ?

I know i cant be alone on this topic surely , i do not want to spend 2 months getting 250 rare materials to craft thanx rant off /

becouse GW2 isn t a farming game xd

U need to farm for it or make money and buy it on LT

Starlink.6248:

becouse GW2 isn t a farming game xd

U need to farm for it or make money and buy it on LT

Or you just…don’t do it. There is no item with 250 T6 mats requirement that one actually needs….

It is ridiculous,

I have close to 700 hours played in this game. I do all kinds of content, farm, WvW, occasional PvP etc. I play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Since I have been saving up for my Legendary I have been hording all the T6 Materials I’ve collected over the past 3 months.

Until today I have an average of…about 70 per T6 Material. Bones and Dust being a lot more common, Blood and Fangs being rare.

That’s right, 3 months of frequent play….50% of which might have been dedicated to farming….and I’m only about 30% of the way there. That’s atrocious.

And this is just for one item. Forget about all the Ascended items you might want to craft.

@Dee Jay
Assuming those 70 things are purely from farming, how much gold have you accumulated selling blues and greens? As well as ectos you got from yellows?

What penatbuter said… By casual orr farming you can get about 1g per hour minimum. Use the money to buy mats. Not that hard now… Or if you do not want to spend money just play the game and wait till you have enough.
Free tip…if you are saving for your legendary you dont actually need to “farm” any mats at all. Just by mystic clover conversion you will probably get more than 50, 60% of mats needed for the craft.
Actually you dont need to farm anything at all… noone forces you to grind for barbie dress-up. It’s another thing if you chose so.
@Decrypter You dont want to spend 2 MONTHS getting 250 RARE mats for a Legendary or Ascended? You want what? 2 weeks, days, hours? Or do you want it now?

docledd.9682:

What penatbuter said… By casual orr farming you can get about 1g per hour minimum. Use the money to buy mats. Not that hard now… Or if you do not want to spend money just play the game and wait till you have enough.
Free tip…if you are saving for your legendary you dont actually need to “farm” any mats at all. Just by mystic clover conversion you will probably get more than 50, 60% of mats needed for the craft.
Actually you dont need to farm anything at all… noone forces you to grind for barbie dress-up. It’s another thing if you chose so.
@Decrypter You dont want to spend 2 MONTHS getting 250 RARE mats for a Legendary or Ascended? You want what? 2 weeks, days, hours? Or do you want it now?

Yeah I kind of want it now (Ascended) since I haven’t had a ring drop so far. By your estimate I could go grind for gold 40 hours to have enough $ for a single stack of T6 mats but I call that working, not playing. I miss the ol’ 1.5k armor days.

Legendary is another discussion since that essentially is playing barbie dress up. The context for this post is agony resistance.

Dee Jay.2460:

It is ridiculous,

I have close to 700 hours played in this game. I do all kinds of content, farm, WvW, occasional PvP etc. I play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Since I have been saving up for my Legendary I have been hording all the T6 Materials I’ve collected over the past 3 months.

Until today I have an average of…about 70 per T6 Material. Bones and Dust being a lot more common, Blood and Fangs being rare.

That’s right, 3 months of frequent play….50% of which might have been dedicated to farming….and I’m only about 30% of the way there. That’s atrocious.

And this is just for one item. Forget about all the Ascended items you might want to craft.

Same here, 700 hours and I’m in the same boat, only have 40g of the 300+ I need and 80ish t6 mats. Really these requirements are ridiculous, and now legendary armor on top of that? I can see it taking 8-10 years for me to get everything. :/

fourpoundburrito.1698:

docledd.9682:

What penatbuter said… By casual orr farming you can get about 1g per hour minimum. Use the money to buy mats. Not that hard now… Or if you do not want to spend money just play the game and wait till you have enough.
Free tip…if you are saving for your legendary you dont actually need to “farm” any mats at all. Just by mystic clover conversion you will probably get more than 50, 60% of mats needed for the craft.
Actually you dont need to farm anything at all… noone forces you to grind for barbie dress-up. It’s another thing if you chose so.
@Decrypter You dont want to spend 2 MONTHS getting 250 RARE mats for a Legendary or Ascended? You want what? 2 weeks, days, hours? Or do you want it now?

Yeah I kind of want it now (Ascended) since I haven’t had a ring drop so far. By your estimate I could go grind for gold 40 hours to have enough $ for a single stack of T6 mats but I call that working, not playing. I miss the ol’ 1.5k armor days.

Legendary is another discussion since that essentially is playing barbie dress up. The context for this post is agony resistance.

It’s only called working if you’re not having fun with it. I don’t really farm per se, but whenever I feel like it, I go to cursed shore and farm for an hour. After that, I’m pretty much set, and go do some dungeons or wvw or lveling my alts :P doing all those are pretty fun for me :P

Dee Jay.2460:

It is ridiculous,

I have close to 700 hours played in this game. I do all kinds of content, farm, WvW, occasional PvP etc. I play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Since I have been saving up for my Legendary I have been hording all the T6 Materials I’ve collected over the past 3 months.

Until today I have an average of…about 70 per T6 Material. Bones and Dust being a lot more common, Blood and Fangs being rare.

That’s right, 3 months of frequent play….50% of which might have been dedicated to farming….and I’m only about 30% of the way there. That’s atrocious.

And this is just for one item. Forget about all the Ascended items you might want to craft.

I have over 800 hours of gaming and almost my second legendary. Another precursor in my bag and gold enough to buy the mats I need to finish the second one. And have fun every time I log. My point is that everything depends on how you play.

I think you’re missing the point Raybunny.6190. They’re not discussing buying the T6 mats from the TP. For someone that has played for 700+ hours getting 70 of each mat is kind of low.

I hope anet adjusts the drop rates a little to drop slightly more.

I agree with the OP. I too have about 722 hours into GW2 and only have about 50 to 75 of each T6 mat, except ancient bones of course, i’ve had 250 of those for awhile and have been selling any others i get.

Gold should not be the answer for every ingredient needed for the legendary weapons/ascended items, it just makes the gold farmers that much happier, ecto’s, T6 mats, lodestones, precursors, clovers(and icy runestones of course) are all basically obtained by gold because the drop rates on them are horrendous.

Sadly after the plinx nerf the best way to make money is to run around the high level zones BY YOURSELF and gather materials on multiple level 80’s. That is not what an MMO is about. Reward people for their time and for doing the fun things in the game.

Zen.2450:

Dee Jay.2460:

It is ridiculous,

I have close to 700 hours played in this game. I do all kinds of content, farm, WvW, occasional PvP etc. I play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Since I have been saving up for my Legendary I have been hording all the T6 Materials I’ve collected over the past 3 months.

Until today I have an average of…about 70 per T6 Material. Bones and Dust being a lot more common, Blood and Fangs being rare.

That’s right, 3 months of frequent play….50% of which might have been dedicated to farming….and I’m only about 30% of the way there. That’s atrocious.

And this is just for one item. Forget about all the Ascended items you might want to craft.

Same here, 700 hours and I’m in the same boat, only have 40g of the 300+ I need and 80ish t6 mats. Really these requirements are ridiculous, and now legendary armor on top of that? I can see it taking 8-10 years for me to get everything. :/

End game… end game…

Dee Jay.2460:

It is ridiculous,

I have close to 700 hours played in this game. I do all kinds of content, farm, WvW, occasional PvP etc. I play the game the way it was meant to be played.

Since I have been saving up for my Legendary I have been hording all the T6 Materials I’ve collected over the past 3 months.

Until today I have an average of…about 70 per T6 Material. Bones and Dust being a lot more common, Blood and Fangs being rare.

That’s right, 3 months of frequent play….50% of which might have been dedicated to farming….and I’m only about 30% of the way there. That’s atrocious.

And this is just for one item. Forget about all the Ascended items you might want to craft.

Anet has proven over and over that achieving great feats in this game is not for the legit players. I’m very sorry to break this to you, but it is the truth.

You had several cashout points through GW2’s history -
- Cheap T3 karma weapons aquisition.
- Chilli poppers vendoring.
- Mystic forge godskulls trade for precursors.
- Cheap precursor flipping on TP past godskull patch.
- Lost Shores phase 3 overflow chest spam.

After missing all of the above chances to make gold, I doubt you’ll ever make it to legendary, my sincere apologies.

Raybunny.6190 is a good example.
Anyone who starts the game today and got the same amount of hours, being past all the events I mentioned, won’t be able to make it to legendary, no matter what, no matter when.

As far as legendaries are concerned, you guys have your 77 clovers right? You know that the byproduct of clover farming are T6 mats right?

Horheristo.3607:

Anyone who starts the game today and got the same amount of hours, being past all the events I mentioned, won’t be able to make it to legendary, no matter what, no matter when.

I’m sure you were trying to make a point, but wild exaggeration just makes you look ridiculous. Starting today, no new players will ever get a Legendary? Please, do go on.

NoOneShotU.3479:

As far as legendaries are concerned, you guys have your 77 clovers right? You know that the byproduct of clover farming are T6 mats right?

You are aware that on average, most people get their 77 clovers in about 220 attempts? Even if we take an upper ceiling, say 250, that’s still 173 failed attempts. Considering that each failed attempt gives 1-4 t6 mat, that is if you get t6 mats because it can drop a lot of other stuff, you are still going to be very short. If I am bring extremely generous with my math here and say you get 4 mats each failure, 173×4 is 692 t6 mats. You need 2000 t6 mats in total.

Sender.7958:

Horheristo.3607:

Anyone who starts the game today and got the same amount of hours, being past all the events I mentioned, won’t be able to make it to legendary, no matter what, no matter when.

I’m sure you were trying to make a point, but wild exaggeration just makes you look ridiculous. Starting today, no new players will ever get a Legendary? Please, do go on.

It is literally impossible unless prices considerably drop in the future.
You know it, I know it, everyone know it.
There are 0 opportunities to make a large sum of gold besides a very low RNG as things are at the moment.

Are you looking for ascended back-slot item?
Nobody forces you to use t6 mats and ecto. You could just as well use Fractal Relics if you master your wiki abilities for recipie.

For legendary hunt, meh people. It’s not job to be done in a week, but it’s not that difficult.

Horheristo.3607:

It is literally impossible unless prices considerably drop in the future.
You know it, I know it, everyone know it.
There are 0 opportunities to make a large sum of gold besides a very low RNG as things are at the moment.

Are you willing to bet on it? It can’t be done as fast as it was with various “exploits”, but it is still do-able. I missed every single event on your list and am half-way there. But then again, I’m one of the people legendaries were aimed at in the first place(farmers). Enjoying that stuff helps a lot.

No OP, you’re not alone. All of us has the same amount. If you don’t buy them making someone else rich, forget t6 mats, or keep farming 24/7

Yea this kinda sucks, you need to be rich and farm like crazy to get anything cool in this game, sure it should definitely be difficult to obtain but I don’t like that it requires so much farming

It’s astounding how many people just aren’t realistic. You can discuss about what fun and work is for you but the math is right there.

Even if you “get T6 mats with clovers” you’re still gonna need a lot more T6 mats, plus you need to farm the mats for clovers too. The point is, the drop rate of these is just unreasonable. There are people who farm lodestones, and they are like “oh just put on some MF gear, eat food and you’ll get 1-2 an hour!”… 1-2 AN HOUR?! I need 250 each and you want me to farm them 1-2 AN HOUR?

Listen, whoever is saying they are “casually” walking around the world, and “do stuff” and still get 5g in 2h, do you even hear yourself? In what universe is that real lol. If you Fraps your 2 hours while not grinding, and post it on YouTube for the whole world to see, and you really do make 5g in 2 hours by “having fun”, i’ll believe you and i’ll even give you my 5g from doing whatever you did, otherwise you have no proof. It’s pretty obvious that if you don’t exploit or have tremendous luck in GW2 you won’t get anywhere.

So I missed all exploits and my luck gave me 2g worth exotics from Ancient Karka.
Still I have precursor I saved up for and I’m half way towards my legendary.
You know if you took half time you guys spend moaning here on forums reading about ways to make/farm money in this game you would be maybe few steps behind me in legendary proces.
So it’s not cheap, it’s not easy and few things could be changed to make it more legendary proces but it’s acieveable

op you certainly AREN’t the only one let me tell you I’ve been complaining for about a month now. I have no idea what’s going on or why we haven’t had an answer to why this is like this now suddenly.

Bots certainly aren’t the problem anymore since they can detect them now.

sooooooo why are we keeping DR and the quantity of drops so low again?

Sadly, very few will be able to reach the legendary goal unless we’ll see some future changes on the matter.

By the way, I only got the karma part left to get my Sunrise, in case it looks like I’m moaning here.
And I’ve also missed all of the “exploits” I mentioned.

And on last note, there are still a few ways to make fast gold in this game, but I’m not a sucker for more punishment and would rather spend my next 1000g on my 8 characters instead.

This is what happens when everyone cries about bots. They allow the poor man to afford luxuries, but now that they are gone, anyone short of 1000g is poor without luxury because gold has absolutely no buying power anymore. The community brought this problem on itself and I do not see it changing anytime soon.

Horheristo.3607:

Sadly, very few will be able to reach the legendary goal unless we’ll see some future changes on the matter.

By the way, I only got the karma part left to get my Sunrise, in case it looks like I’m moaning here.
And I’ve also missed all of the “exploits” I mentioned.

And on last note, there are still a few ways to make fast gold in this game, but I’m not a sucker for more punishment and would rather spend my next 1000g on my 8 characters instead.

But that is how it should be.

Legendaries should be rare. So only those who play the most, those who are spending more time in GW 2 than real life should have them.

Horheristo.3607:

Sadly, very few will be able to reach the legendary goal unless we’ll see some future changes on the matter.

By the way, I only got the karma part left to get my Sunrise, in case it looks like I’m moaning here.
And I’ve also missed all of the “exploits” I mentioned.

And on last note, there are still a few ways to make fast gold in this game, but I’m not a sucker for more punishment and would rather spend my next 1000g on my 8 characters instead.

How can you miss the karma part? I will have 2mil karma before having enough gold to buy all the mats for Sunrise. I already got over 1mil karma and still need more than 600 gold. And no I am not spending gold on useless stuff or wasting most of my playtime in WvW. You must be a trader.

Horheristo.3607:

Sadly, very few will be able to reach the legendary

This is intended. So, it shouldn’t surprise nor disappoint you.

Maximus.8376:

I think you’re missing the point Raybunny.6190. They’re not discussing buying the T6 mats from the TP. For someone that has played for 700+ hours getting 70 of each mat is kind of low.

I hope anet adjusts the drop rates a little to drop slightly more.

Raybunny isnt missing the point. Ok so they only got 70 items. What about all the other drops they got? Its not like there is much to spend on in this game gold wise since we also have karma, wvw badges and dungeon badges.

penatbater.4710:

Horheristo.3607:

Sadly, very few will be able to reach the legendary

This is intended. So, it shouldn’t surprise nor disappoint you.

Exactly. 90%+ of the game is for the casual. Let the more hard core people have something that is theirs. I will work towards a legendary but doubt I will ever get one. Since its only visual and not mechanics then I am not missing out. Plenty of good looking exotics items out there anyways.

And what if it were easy to get legendaries easy. What exactly would people be doing after that? Probably complaining that there is nothing to do in the game.

This is why we can’t have nice things.
Some of this is down right whining…
The point of a legendary is to be difficult, same as many of the achievements. It is DIFFICULT, few people will get it… The halloween jumping puzzle is a great example, it was intended that only 5% of the population complete it. But then for some reason these kids are demanding that they should be able to complete it too easily…
I’m sorry, but that isn’t “Fair”. Difficult things are their own reward, if you don’t have the time or patience to complete it… then DON’T.. go do what is fun in the game, enjoy your time.. use exotics, they are nearly as good and no one is going to care in a dungeon or in PVP which sword you have.

Well, I’m slowly getting all resources I need for crafting my first legendary. The more I read these topics the more I agree with almost all Anet requirements set for crafting legendary weapon.

The issue what they need to fix is the rate for obtaining specific parts only. The question is what should be treated as component which needs some adjustment and what’s not necessary to change.

Obtaining T6 mats is quite easy because you can receive them in steady rate either with farming T6 only or farming T5 mats and use mystic forge. I know it costs skill points but honestly SP are so easily to get. You can also use your second, third..character for crafting (e.g. making clovers) and save SP on your main character. You have a lot of opportunities to get T6 materials.

Gifts from dungeons are probably the easiest way how to get necessary component for legendary. You need 500 badges and you can have 180 per day if you finish all three dailies. You can make all 500 in couple of days.

Gift of Battle is not that easy but still there is a steady rate for getting badges of honor even if you make jumping puzzles only and do not touch any part of WvWvW.

Lodestones – one of two major problems. You’re not getting them in steady rate because their drop rate is extremely low and so majority of people are quite frustrated because it does increase the need for pure gold farming what is very boring. So you can count 0-100+ gold extra per legendary. I know about cores and the mystic forge but the chances for getting cores are extremely low too. The dungeons should be the main place for getting them, e.g. HoTW for corrupted and so on. For example finishing HoTW gives you 50% to get 1 lodestone for each path in daily chest, so maximum is 3 per day. It is still 33 days minimum if I do not count the low drop chance from ordinary mobs. Players will feel that they’re receiving something for their effort. It increases also demand for other dungeons than FotM only in these days.

Icy Runestones – again major flaw in design. This is pure gold sink. You can’t get it either from clovers "craft"or drop from chests, bosses, events, etc. At least crafting Mystic Clovers could grand you Icy Runestone if you’re lucky as part of T6 resources. You can get obsidian shards during Mystic Clover crafting, why not Icy Runestones?

Precursor – problem with precursors was somehow temporarily addressed by Ancient Karka event. However having some kind of legendary travel for obtaining precursor is way to go because this is just a start. Start for another long journey. It’s pity it wasn’t introduced from the start.

Globs – well it’s controversy. I’m not sure why it was invented like this. 250 globs necessary for crafting Gift of Fortune but Mystic Clovers need globs too. Its very weird. Also the average amount of globs for getting 77 Mystic Clovers is I believe around 230..not sure now. It was written somewhere. So it is almost 500! globs (another 100g). I can understand 100 globs but another 250..very weird.

The time I’m frustrated is the time I’m stuck and not getting anywhere (even in very slow rate). If I know I can get X amount of any material per X hours/days I can simply plan the legendary journey. RNG is common factor in MMO’s but I would rather prefer clever RNG or RNG supported by guaranteed resources if I do XY content every hour/day/week whatever.

If Anet can address this issue the players won’t complain. It’s all about having a feeling that I move forward and not staying on the same place for too long.

Btw. I do agree that getting legendary should take very long time but it’s better to have the journey divided to thousands of small parts (“rewards”) rather than having huge gaps in some cases on your path. I believe that these gaps are source of all complains.

laibros.3490:

Lodestones – one of two major problems. You’re not getting them in steady rate because their drop rate is extremely low and so majority of people are quite frustrated because it does increase the need for pure gold farming what is very boring. So you can count 0-100+ gold extra per legendary. I know about cores and the mystic forge but the chances for getting cores are extremely low too. The dungeons should be the main place for getting them, e.g. HoTW for corrupted and so on. For example finishing HoTW gives you 50% to get 1 lodestone for each path in daily chest, so maximum is 3 per day. It is still 33 days minimum if I do not count the low drop chance from ordinary mobs. Players will feel that they’re receiving something for their effort. It increases also demand for other dungeons than FotM only in these days.

From what I heard, you can get a decent rate of lodestones in the fractals. I don’t do much so I can’t comment, but the fact that charged went down to 1.8g from 2g+ could be an indicator. You also get a semi-decent amount of onyx at TA. I ran very few TA explo and probably got 1 lodestone and 2 cores.

Icy Runestones – again major flaw in design. This is pure gold sink.

Intended. They need alot of gold sinks for all the gold/materials pouring into the market.

Precursor – problem with precursors was somehow temporarily addressed by Ancient Karka event. However having some kind of legendary travel for obtaining precursor is way to go because this is just a start. Start for another long journey. It’s pity it wasn’t introduced from the start.

Lindsey said they will work on legendaries being a sort-of scavenger-hunt feel. Tbh, if you’re reading this in forums, you should try to get your prec now. I doubt the price drop will last long.

Globs – well it’s controversy. I’m not sure why it was invented like this. 250 globs necessary for crafting Gift of Fortune but Mystic Clovers need globs too. Its very weird. Also the average amount of globs for getting 77 Mystic Clovers is I believe around 230..not sure now. It was written somewhere. So it is almost 500! globs (another 100g). I can understand 100 globs but another 250..very weird.

There are alot of ways to get globs. In one run of a frac, I got myself 4 rares, which means anything from 0-12 ectos. And from what I heard, fracs drop rares/exo like candy, esp if you can get the jade maw chest thing.

The time I’m frustrated is the time I’m stuck and not getting anywhere (even in very slow rate). If I know I can get X amount of any material per X hours/days I can simply plan the legendary journey. RNG is common factor in MMO’s but I would rather prefer clever RNG or RNG supported by guaranteed resources if I do XY content every hour/day/week whatever.

If Anet can address this issue the players won’t complain. It’s all about having a feeling that I move forward and not staying on the same place for too long.

Btw. I do agree that getting legendary should take very long time but it’s better to have the journey divided to thousands of small parts (“rewards”) rather than having huge gaps in some cases on your path. I believe that these gaps are source of all complains.

I disagree to the last statement. If you only get large chunks for the legendary, you will feel progress is so slow. If you get a thousand small parts, the feat might seem insurmountable. Imo, a good mix of large chunk and small chunk is good, which is the status quo.

I believe people will always find something to complain about. To quote some guy I saw in a magic the gathering forum “If wizards (the company) puts in $20 bill in packs(costing around ~$4-5), I bet people will still complain that it’s folded”.

To penatbater.4710:

You know, I bought the precursor after Ancient Karka event. I was just talking about better way how you can obtain it. I also put 1000+ axes before into forge and got nothing. Point is that the precursor journey should have been the first step (before anyone knew what other resources are needed) right at the start of GW2. But I’m still happy their working on it for a future.

The last statement does have its reason. You’re getting the large chunk of reward after you completed the small chunks. I was writing mainly about inner feeling you’re going forward and each block is "virtually"divided to small chunks with result of large chunk. However regarding precursor, icy runestones and lodestones I never had that feeling. Even if the mystic forge weapon sink would provide part of “Tooth of Frostfang” (as an example) it would be still better for me (together with the chance to get complete precursor). E.g. you have 1% chance to get piece of specific precursor. You need X precursor pieces and X pieces of X material for reforging this precursor. Anything would be better than abysmal chance for getting precursor from mystic forge or the same extremely small chance from monsters or chests.

Icy runestones and lodestones should have other places for obtaining them. If FotM does have higher chance for getting lodestones, other dungeon should be affected too but I’m not really sure it happened. We do not have any solid data.

I’m getting globs as you have written I was just pointing out that the amount is somehow weird or maybe unnecessary. The way for getting globs is fine for me.

Regarding complains. That’s the problem which cannot be solved. Never. However developer can do maximum possible for making the game without major problems. But it’s very hard and sometimes it takes time to find out that some design elements are crude and should be polished. :-)