Guild Wars 2

Anet I really do not understand how this idea of making precursors impossible to obtain “fun”. I just recently watched a youtube video where someone put in a but load of rares into the mystic forge (like 350 i think it was) and did not receive a single precursor…

I myself have maybe wasted 50g in total on just buying GS from the TP which are increasing in price constantly. Now each 1 is ~50 silver a piece and is a giant money sink (i m trying to get twilight). I am a semi-casual player and seeing dusk for 660 gold on the TP makes it seem like ill be seeing my twilight next year unless i figure out a way to manipulate the market and just make a but load of money. The only sense of progression i do feel with obtaining this sword is getting things like the gift of metal or the bloodstone shard because i had to play for them and they were a sure thing.

I think something needs to be addressed with this issue of these precursors. With the way things are going no one is ever just going to equip the item because it looks “cool”. As it is now getting them is a chore and is not fun. I atleast hope something can be done about this outrageous price on the TP. Maybe make it so every exotic is a precursor for something cool. The precursor doesn’t have to be legendary it can just be for a cool effect on a weapon that was not there before

50g isn’t much btw, neither is farming the amount needed for Dusk. I’ve thrown in 1k rares and around 250 exotics into the MF and didn’t get kitten, and I still have a legendary. Even a casual like you could farm enough gold in a months or so worth of time for a precusor. The whole “its too hard” thing is false and just you being lazy. Nobody is entitled to a precusor, and if they were easy to get everyone and their mothers would have a legendary.

Even at farming 15g a day, which is roughly 2-3h of farming, thats 105g a week, meaning 420g in a months time, thats easily obtainable for a majority of players in this game. It would take six weeks of farming to get a Dusk basically at that rate. The more you farm, the faster you get it. Its not impossible to obtain, I know people with multiple legendaries including a guy with five. I myself have one, plan on making two more in the coming 2-3 months.

If you want a legendary, you have to work for it, it was never meant to be something easy to get. If you think farming is too hard, then I got some bad news for you. I probably sound like a dick saying all this but its pretty much the truth.

And Markets do rise and fall, there will be cheap precusors again soon, just wait for the next event like the Karka one.

I still can’t undertand how the hell people are farming 15g a day unless a “day” to them is like12 hours long. I mean i run CoF P1/P2, TA U, F/F and maybe F/U, do a daily fractal or 2, do the ori farm on 3 level 80s and maybe an AC run and that’s still only like 8g or so. And that takes like 3 hours. How the hell are guys farming 7g an hour unless they are doing nothing but CoF P1 in stacked groups of 4 zerker warriors and 1 mesmer. I just don’t get it…..i mean like i said, i understand if this 15g or so is being made over a 12 hour period a day.

Do you sell a majority of the things you get, or keep?

An hour of CoF farming for me is 4g from bosses alone a majority of the time, and atleast 3 lodestones and a handful of rares which easily gets up to 7-8g. And like I said, there are other Dungeons out there that can be done for good amounts of gold/hour too, but i’m not gonna let the ones I do and how known.

Doing events I said before in other threads in Orr can easily get you 5g+ an hour unless you’re keeping all the mats you get and sell bags instead of opening them.

Masamoon.3864:

And Markets do rise and fall, there will be cheap precusors again soon, just wait for the next event like the Karka one.

This may be true but to most people precursors are rising in value faster than people are able to farm for the most part. Is that a bad thing or not i don’t know.

When i bought The Lover from the tp little after karka event i paid 115g for it, now the cheapest one on tp is 575g. Pretty brutal.

Just to make this really clear: You want to forge Twilight, you’re okay with the cost of the 100 lodestones + the cost of the hundreds of ecto + the cost of the stacks of Orichalcum ingots you need…. but the cost of the precursor bothers you?

I have never understood this……

CassieGold.7460:

Just to make this really clear: You want to forge Twilight, you’re okay with the cost of the 100 lodestones + the cost of the hundreds of ecto + the cost of the stacks of Orichalcum ingots you need…. but the cost of the precursor bothers you?

I have never understood this……

but you dont actually need to buy most of those things, you will get them through normal play over time. Precursor is the only one that you cannot get through intent, and the only one you can do no work towards by normal play. Its essentially gates who can obtain a legendary by being in the top 10% of gold earners in the game.

I ve probably had my hands on at least 1000 ingots, 1000s of ectos, prolly 200 lodestones(though not 100 of any yet) all together, all through doing the types of things i kinda like doing, or focusing my efforts on a something i want. Precursor doesnt work this way, you can only get a precursor reliably by amassing a large amount of wealth determined essentially by the most wealthy players. (the precursors will always cost what the richest 5% is willing to pay if its something only 5% of players will ever see drop)

Now you say, why dont you just sell everything and buy it. Mostly because that type of play doesnt entertain me. Hitting buy in a virtual store is one of the least entertaining things in any game for me. I simply dont think the endgame goal that is supposed to show people how much you play or are good at GW2 should come down to amassing wealth in the top 10% of players.

Why is an adventure/action/rpgs greatest achievements and awards, based around how good you are at being a merchant/investor? This is illogical

Boomstin.3460:

Masamoon.3864:

And Markets do rise and fall, there will be cheap precusors again soon, just wait for the next event like the Karka one.

This may be true but to most people precursors are rising in value faster than people are able to farm for the most part. Is that a bad thing or not i don’t know.

When i bought The Lover from the tp little after karka event i paid 115g for it, now the cheapest one on tp is 575g. Pretty brutal.

And you know the reason why they dropped is right? And those prices only last a week? Because more precusors entered the market. iirc there is suppose to be another event like that, and I would hold off on buying any precusors till then.

350 huh? I put 50-100 every day. At this moment it is about ~2000 still no Spark.

Demand:Supply is 10:1. May be arena.net waits till 90% of their player base leave?

Cassie, the annoying fact is: the price is absolutley unsteady. Everything else drops that often, that the prices stays pretty the same.
Also: oricchalcum and so on can be farmed. You really get them.
On the other hand, you can farm 1000h and you won’t get a precursor. You need luck to get one.

You see, the chance of getting a t6 mat is maybe 5%, so if you kill 100 mobs it is really uncommon not to get some. But the chance for a precursor is 0.000001% → if you kill 1000000 mobs it is really uncommon to get one.
Do you see the difference?
This is the reason for all those posts about precursors.
And there is a difference between 200g for a gift and maybe 600g for a precursor, but who knows, maybe it is 1200g as soon as you reach 600g.

ezd.6359:

Demand:Supply is 10:1. May be arena.net waits till 90% of their player base leave?

Well, unfortunately, based on how things went in Guild Wars 1 that’s exactly how it’ll be handled. A couple years from now Precursors will be as common as Copper and anyone who wants a Legendary could probably farm one in a few days tops.

I understand why the precursors are to be rare but another option for obtaining them should be given. I would honestly rather farm the mats to forge it with an actual recipe, even if its 77 more clovers or some crap like that (clovers are gay so not really), to have a guaranteed dusk . I don’t play this game every day, I have other games I do enjoy and farming 15-20g a day seems like more of a chore. I do not do dungeons for the cash or else it defeats the purpose of doing it for fun. Since I know this game isn’t going to go anywhere and nothing is going to change I can slowly and confidently farm my mats for the legendary. However having one of the requirements be “luck” is not in any way progress. I think something needs to be done so that it isn’t too easy to get a legendary and so that it is not impossible either. And yes i should not have to use the TP or outside sources (real money) to obtain my legendary

CassieGold.7460:

Just to make this really clear: You want to forge Twilight, you’re okay with the cost of the 100 lodestones + the cost of the hundreds of ecto + the cost of the stacks of Orichalcum ingots you need…. but the cost of the precursor bothers you?

I have never understood this……

Lodestones are easy, you can farm cores and promote. Orichalcum is easy, log out, log in. Ectos take a little longer, but farming fractals can get alot of rares.

Just wanted to toss a statement out there from Mike O’Brian (emphasis added in bold):

Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone

So…. system broken, or functioning as designed?

And, seeing as this discussion is taking place in the Crafting sub-forum, where there have been frequent threads on weather crafting is needed or not, I would suggest that someone who doesn’t want to be tied to the TP, but does want to work on a legendary like Twilight should consider gathering all the mithril and t5 mats they can to forge their own rares to huck into the forge….. rather than spending the money buying crafted rares to do so with.

Or, keep buying your crafted rares off the TP…. I’ll keep selling them to you, I promise!

Well honestly the whole legendary weapon system is broken from the gold farming part to no skill needed part to being able to just buy em off the TP with a credit card part.

But moreso the fact that it’s a complete catch 22 system. You NEED to farm to mats to get one in a timely manner(and don’t say 1 year cause by then this game will have sunk i bet) yet the whole system penalizes you for farming(DR). Does this mean ANet wants us all to buy gems? And yes you can spin it off however you want and throw “buts” into the equation but bottom line is unless you farm for gold, you will not have a legendary anytime within the next 6 months…and back to the whole DR system……

CassieGold.7460:

Just wanted to toss a statement out there from Mike O’Brian (emphasis added in bold):

Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone

So…. system broken, or functioning as designed?

And, seeing as this discussion is taking place in the Crafting sub-forum, where there have been frequent threads on weather crafting is needed or not, I would suggest that someone who doesn’t want to be tied to the TP, but does want to work on a legendary like Twilight should consider gathering all the mithril and t5 mats they can to forge their own rares to huck into the forge….. rather than spending the money buying crafted rares to do so with.

Or, keep buying your crafted rares off the TP…. I’ll keep selling them to you, I promise!

And if this system is functioning as designed, then it’s one hell of a dangling carrot system. It’s even more hardcore than “gating” content since at least in “gated” content, you can work and see progress til you get into that zone or dungeon. Here you don’t know if you will need 1 try, 5 tries, or 5000 tries.

Sauzo.6821:

And if this system is functioning as designed, then it’s one hell of a dangling carrot system. It’s even more hardcore than “gating” content since at least in “gated” content, you can work and see progress til you get into that zone or dungeon. Here you don’t know if you will need 1 try, 5 tries, or 5000 tries.

I fail to see how any part of the legendary system is remotely connected to gating when it is a 100% visual difference designed to be pursued by the hard core gamer.

It staggers me, when we have amazing weapons in this game like Volcanus, Vision of the Mists, The Anomaly, Azure Flame…. The list goes on…. stunning weapons that can be earned with Farming + Achievement in Dungeons + pure investment in time…. but no one seems to care.

People are completely bypassing the Mid Game rewards, and the types of rewards that are available to the more casual gamer, and focusing on the most elite items in the game.

I know some people are fixated on the promise that Legendary will always be ‘best in slot’, but seriously, it’s no better than the other high end crafted exotics. I would not be at all surprised if we had the ability to upgrade the high end exotics to Ascended exactly the same way that they enabled the Triforge Amulet to be upgraded to Ascended.

So, why bypass the mid range rewards entirely and then protest that the most elite rewards are ‘too exclusive.’ ?

1) We dont need to promore exotics to ascended, we can use remodel. Amulet is another story, it is just too expensive to sell it to NPC.

2) I want legendary dagger because i want it. It looks nice. Why should i want another weapon? Btw i collecting daggers also

CassieGold.7460:

Sauzo.6821:

And if this system is functioning as designed, then it’s one hell of a dangling carrot system. It’s even more hardcore than “gating” content since at least in “gated” content, you can work and see progress til you get into that zone or dungeon. Here you don’t know if you will need 1 try, 5 tries, or 5000 tries.

I fail to see how any part of the legendary system is remotely connected to gating when it is a 100% visual difference designed to be pursued by the hard core gamer.

It staggers me, when we have amazing weapons in this game like Volcanus, Vision of the Mists, The Anomaly, Azure Flame…. The list goes on…. stunning weapons that can be earned with Farming + Achievement in Dungeons + pure investment in time…. but no one seems to care.

People are completely bypassing the Mid Game rewards, and the types of rewards that are available to the more casual gamer, and focusing on the most elite items in the game.

I know some people are fixated on the promise that Legendary will always be ‘best in slot’, but seriously, it’s no better than the other high end crafted exotics. I would not be at all surprised if we had the ability to upgrade the high end exotics to Ascended exactly the same way that they enabled the Triforge Amulet to be upgraded to Ascended.

So, why bypass the mid range rewards entirely and then protest that the most elite rewards are ‘too exclusive.’ ?

On that note, I’ve decided that my Mesmer will have a mix of weapon types. Bolt for the sword, The Anomaly for her focus. . .still trying to decide on a greatsword skin I like.

But, yeah, legendaries are crazy expensive. I would know, I just finished my first one (Dagger). That doesn’t mean they’re the only skins worth pursuing. In fact, I wouldn’t mind having Twilight if everyone and their mother didn’t seem to have it. As it stands, I’m trying to decide if I’ll be taking the Corrupted Avenger or something else. . .

CassieGold.7460:

Sauzo.6821:

And if this system is functioning as designed, then it’s one hell of a dangling carrot system. It’s even more hardcore than “gating” content since at least in “gated” content, you can work and see progress til you get into that zone or dungeon. Here you don’t know if you will need 1 try, 5 tries, or 5000 tries.

I fail to see how any part of the legendary system is remotely connected to gating when it is a 100% visual difference designed to be pursued by the hard core gamer.

It staggers me, when we have amazing weapons in this game like Volcanus, Vision of the Mists, The Anomaly, Azure Flame…. The list goes on…. stunning weapons that can be earned with Farming + Achievement in Dungeons + pure investment in time…. but no one seems to care.

People are completely bypassing the Mid Game rewards, and the types of rewards that are available to the more casual gamer, and focusing on the most elite items in the game.

I know some people are fixated on the promise that Legendary will always be ‘best in slot’, but seriously, it’s no better than the other high end crafted exotics. I would not be at all surprised if we had the ability to upgrade the high end exotics to Ascended exactly the same way that they enabled the Triforge Amulet to be upgraded to Ascended.

So, why bypass the mid range rewards entirely and then protest that the most elite rewards are ‘too exclusive.’ ?

This quote!!!!!! It should be a sticky at all subforums seriously. That’s like the most common misconception in the whole game. This and the “market manipulators”…

Arenanet really should make the crafted exotics more well known than the legendary bs… not everyone can have one it’s as simple as that. The most dedicated players will be rewarded (farmers and market flippers). Deal with it.

NO!!!
actually should be stickied content of interview from 15 november….

Clearly saying that legendary weapons are another tier that will Always be best in slot.

That is:
When ascended will be released for sometime ONLY players with legendary will have a superior weapon (lets speculate for a month?)

Same when cap will be raised….

Just get some infos please…before 15 november legendary were only skins…..now they are a tier.

thus they are unfair…

Also its not about dedication…
When some players have 3-4 legendary and i never be able to buy a precursor despite playing 3 hours a day at least and difficult content too, something says me the Whole system is wrong.

Actually exploiting things is rewarding….playing is not and we all knows that.

You can beat fotm 40+ and still earn a couple gold if you aare lucky….. (and to access it you need something like 100G equip prerequisites…)

But you can farm cof1-2 that is ubereasy and get more….
Or just speculate on the market….

I don t think that doing repetitive content like a bot or abusing things is Worth a legendary….

Doesn t seems fine to me.

That’s why it is called exploiting… it’s supposed to give an advantage which is not meant to be in the game… i will say it again: trading != exploiting! As long as people have an option to play there will be some people that can benefit from it.

Please stop complaining that a legendary is unfair of any kind… i know the ascended system sucks, i wrote a couple of posts because i dislike it that much but ….. and that is a big but, they are in no kind superior and we will see how arenanet implements the ascended weapons.

Getting the ascended amulet is not hard and you know that… it takes 20 days of 30 min each… i suppose that the weapons will be easy to get as well. Or at least make exotics upgradeable (since people would have to transmute every single exotic they made).

So please stop assuming something that is not even implemented yet. Later you can come complain. As if now legendarys are normal weapons with no advantage and they even can’t be transmuted onto the stats you like without losing the legendary status.

CassieGold.7460:

Sauzo.6821:

And if this system is functioning as designed, then it’s one hell of a dangling carrot system. It’s even more hardcore than “gating” content since at least in “gated” content, you can work and see progress til you get into that zone or dungeon. Here you don’t know if you will need 1 try, 5 tries, or 5000 tries.

I fail to see how any part of the legendary system is remotely connected to gating when it is a 100% visual difference designed to be pursued by the hard core gamer.

It staggers me, when we have amazing weapons in this game like Volcanus, Vision of the Mists, The Anomaly, Azure Flame…. The list goes on…. stunning weapons that can be earned with Farming + Achievement in Dungeons + pure investment in time…. but no one seems to care.

People are completely bypassing the Mid Game rewards, and the types of rewards that are available to the more casual gamer, and focusing on the most elite items in the game.

I know some people are fixated on the promise that Legendary will always be ‘best in slot’, but seriously, it’s no better than the other high end crafted exotics. I would not be at all surprised if we had the ability to upgrade the high end exotics to Ascended exactly the same way that they enabled the Triforge Amulet to be upgraded to Ascended.

So, why bypass the mid range rewards entirely and then protest that the most elite rewards are ‘too exclusive.’ ?

It’s connected to “gating” in the fact that yes a legendary is not necessary but some people want it and the fact that the “gate” portion is the precursor as i said above just like raiding in other MMOs is not necessary but some people want to do it and again, its “gated”. The difference tho like i said is in “gated” content, you will see progress when you work on it. With legendaries, the MF offers no progress whatsoever and if you are trying to farm gold and save it, again that’s not a guarantee. Just ask the people 2 months ago who were farming and saving up for those 300g precursors…which if they got the gold now, surprise! you’re about 300g short again.

But again these threads just keep popping up and i keep posting on em. Not quite sure why other than boredom i guess since we all know good and well ANet will not do anything about precursors. I guess the bottom line is grind til you get sick of it and find a new MMO with less RNG or just give up on a legendary. Me personally, i got one made and just missing the precursor for a 2nd one which honestly i don’t care either way really.

Lucas of the Desert.2165:

That’s why it is called exploiting… it’s supposed to give an advantage which is not meant to be in the game… i will say it again: trading != exploiting! As long as people have an option to play there will be some people that can benefit from it.

Please stop complaining that a legendary is unfair of any kind… i know the ascended system sucks, i wrote a couple of posts because i dislike it that much but ….. and that is a big but, they are in no kind superior and we will see how arenanet implements the ascended weapons.

Getting the ascended amulet is not hard and you know that… it takes 20 days of 30 min each… i suppose that the weapons will be easy to get as well. Or at least make exotics upgradeable (since people would have to transmute every single exotic they made).

So please stop assuming something that is not even implemented yet. Later you can come complain. As if now legendarys are normal weapons with no advantage and they even can’t be transmuted onto the stats you like without losing the legendary status.

Actually if i recall, ANet said they fixed that and now it will still hold the legendary status but we don’t know if it will be upgraded to ascended status when they put those in game. And as for ascended weapons being easy to get, i would doubt it. An amulet is a non visual piece that really holds little impact but i imagine ascended weapons will be a flagship item for their xpac so making them easy to get would kinda cheapen them. Of course who knows cause look at legendaries, they are like the ooh lala of GW2 yet you can buy em with a credit card haha. And also if they made ascended weapons easy to get and gave em these super sweet skins, why would anyone bother spending months working on a legendary when you can spend a week and get an equivalent weapon with possibly a better skin. This is all guessing but who knows.

Eventually we will get the scavenger hunt for precursors. Just wait for it. I still hope to find a hint somewhere for a recipe with higher chances to produce a precursor >.< I even started translating messages that I find around writen in new krytan

Lol maybe im a pesimist but i don’t see them implimenting the scavenger hunt anytime in this year. I think it’s just something they tossed out there to get the masses to shut up haha.

Sauzo.6821:

Lucas of the Desert.2165:

That’s why it is called exploiting… it’s supposed to give an advantage which is not meant to be in the game… i will say it again: trading != exploiting! As long as people have an option to play there will be some people that can benefit from it.

Please stop complaining that a legendary is unfair of any kind… i know the ascended system sucks, i wrote a couple of posts because i dislike it that much but ….. and that is a big but, they are in no kind superior and we will see how arenanet implements the ascended weapons.

Getting the ascended amulet is not hard and you know that… it takes 20 days of 30 min each… i suppose that the weapons will be easy to get as well. Or at least make exotics upgradeable (since people would have to transmute every single exotic they made).

So please stop assuming something that is not even implemented yet. Later you can come complain. As if now legendarys are normal weapons with no advantage and they even can’t be transmuted onto the stats you like without losing the legendary status.

Actually if i recall, ANet said they fixed that and now it will still hold the legendary status but we don’t know if it will be upgraded to ascended status when they put those in game. And as for ascended weapons being easy to get, i would doubt it. An amulet is a non visual piece that really holds little impact but i imagine ascended weapons will be a flagship item for their xpac so making them easy to get would kinda cheapen them. Of course who knows cause look at legendaries, they are like the ooh lala of GW2 yet you can buy em with a credit card haha. And also if they made ascended weapons easy to get and gave em these super sweet skins, why would anyone bother spending months working on a legendary when you can spend a week and get an equivalent weapon with possibly a better skin. This is all guessing but who knows.

Well yeah they probably won’t be as easy to get as exotics but all i’m saying is that we don’t and can’t know it right now.

As for the legendaries: they will never be stronger because they are not supposed to be. The only difference is that legendarys look way more awesome.
I’d like to compare them to the Bone Dragon Staff in GW1. Or the crystalline sword. They were incredibly valueable and looked incredibly awesome even though they didn’t give any kind of advantage.

Sauzo.6821:

Actually if i recall, ANet said they fixed that and now it will still hold the legendary status but we don’t know if it will be upgraded to ascended status when they put those in game. ….

I’m having a hard time finding the post to link to directly (too many results for the search strings I’ve tried), but when Ascended gear launched, A-net did confirm that Legendary weapons would be upgraded to Ascended in terms of stats so that they would maintain their ‘best in slot’ nature.

Of course, A-net will also release Ascended Weapons that have the same stats that legendaries have, so…. not like your legendary is anything more than a cosmeticly neat Ascended weapon…. just like right now it’s a cosmeticly neat Exotic weapon….

quick my opinion:
I’m playing around 4h/day. I can get around 2g by running dungeon, without selling mats (pure reward + selling blue/green drops)

when I’m farming Orr, I get around 1-1.5g (including event, drop, mats, gathers,…) for around 45min-1h

I’m doing this as a Ele (can’t say if i’m killing fast or slow). So I think getting gold isn’t that hard, it only take some asian farming power (I’m an Asian, so I can say that)

Atm moment I’m still struggling with gold, I’ve no luck in getting ecto’s from rare
After ±20g-30g forging the precursor…no good reward.
got after 6month around 60 clovers (around 300ecto used)

But…I can’t conplain, every single step I get closer to my Bifrost dream, is 1 step closer. And all by own effort.

People that think the drop change is redicoulous, well it maybe is, but you want see that 99% of the gw2 population is running with 5 sunrise, and 20 incinerator? I don’t, when I got bifrost I want them troll on my super sexay staff!

From a business stand point, this whole discussion about getting precursors is exactly what they want. They want people to get frustrated and just give up and buy gems for gold. If the precursors did have an actual recipe then they would not make any money. Currently that is their giant money sink. It thrills them when they see people saying how much gold they spent on purchasing those those rare weapons and to see absolutely no result, and conspiracy theory here so don t freak, it could be possible that they flag your account to not have the precursor forged. I don’t actually believe that but when i see people say “oh i got it on my 5th try” it just makes me think that there must be some limit on how many come out of the forge.

Warchiefomega.2738:

From a business stand point, this whole discussion about getting precursors is exactly what they want. They want people to get frustrated and just give up and buy gems for gold. If the precursors did have an actual recipe then they would not make any money. Currently that is their giant money sink. It thrills them when they see people saying how much gold they spent on purchasing those those rare weapons and to see absolutely no result, and conspiracy theory here so don t freak, it could be possible that they flag your account to not have the precursor forged. I don’t actually believe that but when i see people say “oh i got it on my 5th try” it just makes me think that there must be some limit on how many come out of the forge.

1) A-net has flat out stated that accounts are not flagged for ‘bad loot’ or any such nonsense.

2) A-net has stated that they want the mystic forge to vacuum crafted goods out of the economy as a means of keeping supply of crafted goods in balance over time, else crafted goods would pile up to the point of being worthless. That is why they want us hucking hundreds of rares in the MF.

3) A-net has also said that the best chance of getting a precursor is not from hucking rares into the forge, but rather from hucking exotics in the community. If the community insists on using a sub-optimal method, who is making the intelligent choice here?

4) Please stop with the conspiracy theory of: “A-net lets us convert $$ – > Gold via gems so we are forced to do that to buy high end items, etc, etc, etc.” A-net realized long ago that people want to convert Real World Money to In Game Money, and have used non-sanctioned methods of doing so for years. Rather than allow that toxin to polute their game to an obscene extent, they have created a vehicle to do so legitametely. Yes, some people will use this vehicle to get end game items, but the end game is not balanced around this vehicle.

Yea and as i stated i said i dont actually believe that, but thx for pointing that out…
You do however bring up interesting facts that i was unaware of. I am not on these forums often so I did not know they actually said those things. Anyway I think ill just have to wait till newer legendaries come in a future expansion and these precursors go down in price because I want twilight cuz of Bleach >.<

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

@Warchiefomega: accoding to they interview, there will no legendary for 2013. Ofcourse they didn’t promise none legendary-look-a-like :-p

@Rashka: though luck! while there are people with 8 rare which already got 2 precursor, realy bad luck

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

Should have just sell the exotics and buy the precursor would be cheaper.

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

Well I don’t believe these numbers, but I’ll entertain them for a moment. Do you realize that you could have purchased 2-3 (low estimate) precursors if you had sold those items on the TP?

Wesley Of Florin.2150:

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

Well I don’t believe these numbers, but I’ll entertain them for a moment. Do you realize that you could have purchased 2-3 (low estimate) precursors if you had sold those items on the TP?

Yes, the 334 rares is a typo; it is 344 rares. Exos are up to 956 thrown into the MF now.

Anyhow, you are completely wrong with your assumption because you don’t know my strategy. My current cost for those tries is under 100g; would have been an even deal if the RNG wasn’t punishing me with Donald Duck sized bad luck.

Rashka.7304:

Wesley Of Florin.2150:

Rashka.7304:

Currently i am at 334 rares and 936 exotics thrown into the MF, zero precursor…

Well I don’t believe these numbers, but I’ll entertain them for a moment. Do you realize that you could have purchased 2-3 (low estimate) precursors if you had sold those items on the TP?

Yes, the 334 rares is a typo; it is 344 rares. Exos are up to 956 thrown into the MF now.

Anyhow, you are completely wrong with your assumption because you don’t know my strategy. My current cost for those tries is under 100g; would have been an even deal if the RNG wasn’t punishing me with Donald Duck sized bad luck.

So you don’t understand what I meant, apparently. If, in fact, you have thrown in 956 exotics (don’t even care about the rares at this point), that means over the course of these attempts you have acquired about 717 exotics. How much do you think you could have sold those for on the TP?

On a related note, it sounds like you’ve discovered an amazing way to make infinite gold. What’s your secret?

CassieGold.7460:

1) A-net has flat out stated that accounts are not flagged for ‘bad loot’ or any such nonsense.

2) A-net has stated that they want the mystic forge to vacuum crafted goods out of the economy as a means of keeping supply of crafted goods in balance over time, else crafted goods would pile up to the point of being worthless. That is why they want us hucking hundreds of rares in the MF.

3) A-net has also said that the best chance of getting a precursor is not from hucking rares into the forge, but rather from hucking exotics in the community. If the community insists on using a sub-optimal method, who is making the intelligent choice here?

4) Please stop with the conspiracy theory of: “A-net lets us convert $$ – > Gold via gems so we are forced to do that to buy high end items, etc, etc, etc.” A-net realized long ago that people want to convert Real World Money to In Game Money, and have used non-sanctioned methods of doing so for years. Rather than allow that toxin to polute their game to an obscene extent, they have created a vehicle to do so legitametely. Yes, some people will use this vehicle to get end game items, but the end game is not balanced around this vehicle.

Without a source provided, at least 3) sounds like you made it up.

Noerknhar.3826:

CassieGold.7460:

3) A-net has also said that the best chance of getting a precursor is not from hucking rares into the forge, but rather from hucking exotics in the community. If the community insists on using a sub-optimal method, who is making the intelligent choice here?

Without a source provided, at least 3) sounds like you made it up.

Didn’t think I would need to link a source when it’s on the first page of the thread stickied at the top of the crafting forum, but here you go: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/Official-Response-Drop-Rate-of-Legendary-Precursors/first#post379209

Wesley Of Florin.2150:

So you don’t understand what I meant, apparently. If, in fact, you have thrown in 956 exotics (don’t even care about the rares at this point), that means over the course of these attempts you have acquired about 717 exotics. How much do you think you could have sold those for on the TP?

On a related note, it sounds like you’ve discovered an amazing way to make infinite gold. What’s your secret?

Oh, i did understand. The problem is that you are making assumption about what i did, or not did. And instead of asking yourself what could be wrong with your theory you are accusing me to be a liar, and clueless. So why exactly should i point out to you where the mistake in your train of thoughts is, yes?

Besides, i didn’t reinvent the wheel, just picked up some ideas from this very forum and continued from there. Fortunately i don’t have to proof anything to you, so think what you want.

CassieGold.7460:

Just to make this really clear: You want to forge Twilight, you’re okay with the cost of the 100 lodestones + the cost of the hundreds of ecto + the cost of the stacks of Orichalcum ingots you need…. but the cost of the precursor bothers you?

I have never understood this……

I have been working on Flameseeker Prophecies for several months and am slowly, slowly getting there. I bought the precursor months and months ago when I realized prices were gradually climbing, and now it’s double what I paid for it. I sympathize with those trying to get a precursor now and think it should not be such a huge barrier. Getting the precursor should be the beginning of the journey, not an obstacle to finishing it.

However, I would caution folks who are looking to start a Legendary that the precursor is only part of the overall cost. If you were to buy all purchasable components from the TP, according to my math a Legendary would cost at least 1100 gold (give or take, and including the cost of an average precursor ie not greatsword). Plus the skill points, map completion, WvWvW, crafting requirements and sheer bloody-mindedness.

Not to be gone into lightly – it’s a really huge investment in both gold and time.

Turkashi.4502:

Atm moment I’m still struggling with gold, I’ve no luck in getting ecto’s from rare
After ±20g-30g forging the precursor…no good reward.
got after 6month around 60 clovers (around 300ecto used)

You can get some luck if you had your items being salvaged. Some rares contains ecto, some rares doesn’t have it. Some rares contains gossamer’s cloth (could be useful for legendary armor, perhap?). First check it with Trading post if the rare or exotic is more valuable. If it not too valuable, try salvaging it and maybe or not you might get lucky with ecto. Best way to do is salvage, salvage, salvage. Maybe people keep selling in TP, but they don’t even bother salvage, so they can get 1-1.5 gold a day. But, it would take too long to get that much gold.

I know salvaging them take too long but take it one day at a time work on building your item you need for Bifrost. I, too, working on Bifrost. I know it will take years for me to get the items I need. Getting the gifts will be tough, but one day it will be really worth it.