Guild Wars 2

Another day (as many MANY others) putting 20g in exo staves into the mystic toilet and got nothing. I miss only The Legend to make Bifrost since march and well….I really have enough of this. Is this going to be changed or am I just wasting my time and better change game to feel “rewarded”?

This made me think of Arthur winning Excalibur at a casino. No journey, no quest, no epic moments, just putting A LOT of money into a f….. slot machine.

I wish I could have all my money and my time spent in this game back.
Seriously.
Anyone else feeling this way?

EDIT: please don’t tell me to buy from TP becouse I’m not gonna pay anyone else for having more luck than me, or I drop it or I forge it, it’s a matter of principles.

The mystic forge pre-cursor gamble isn’t a good idea for the same reason why no decent financial adviser will advise buying lots of lottery tickets in hopes of winning.

For most, just buying the precursor is better for your time and sanity – a few may have struck it lucky, but you probably won’t.

Also – just throw dungeon token exotics into the forge for that chance at a pre-cursor. It’s free and if you fail, you get an exotic that you can actually sell; you win either way.

I spent 80g on exotics to get my precursor ‘The Energizer’, it was a really cliche moment when I was really ready to give up, I had two exotic maces in my bag and I thought why not I’ll do two more and then give up after this one and farm and buy it instead and that’s when it dropped.
The only advice I can give is to be patient and don’t give up.

I don’t think Arthur and Excalibur is an appropriate example, since Arthur was chosen by divine providence (aka RNG), and didn’t have a quest to get it (rather, it was a sign to show who would undertake the quest for the Grail).

I’d say a more appropriate example would be, say, Beowulf and Naegling, or Jason and the Golden Fleece.

That said, I do agree that Legendary weapons as a whole were poorly implemented; no lore, nothing to place them in the world and completely uninspiring in the way they are gained.

They’ll be introducing a way to create precursors though (eta unknown).

Arthur did not spend months nearly years to make an Excalibur from a very low end weapon but you make an Excalibur in ff11 that took a lot of work to the point where it would take a full LS spending months running events to get an item for ONE person. I do not think you understand how good you have it in GW2 when it comes to getting very nice looking and very strong weapons and gear when it comes compared to other mmorpgs.

I only wish they had implemented a system similar to EQ or EQ2’s Epic weapon. Less farming and more adventure in getting it. Simply buying components does not feel legendary and neither does spending hours upon hours doing nothing but farming. I’d rather a long drawn out quest similar to the personal story with objectives and goals to complete. Some easy and some very hard, with a light amount of farming or camping involved. The only reason I can see for them making the decision to do it the way they did in this game was to lead people into buying gems to convert over to gold to spend on their mats.

Jski.6180:

Arthur did not spend months nearly years to make an Excalibur from a very low end weapon but you make an Excalibur in ff11 that took a lot of work to the point where it would take a full LS spending months running events to get an item for ONE person. I do not think you understand how good you have it in GW2 when it comes to getting very nice looking and very strong weapons and gear when it comes compared to other mmorpgs.

I think you missed his point entirely. Though your argument isn’t entirely without merit. Sure there are harder games to get good looking gear in. The only one of them that is even vaguely relevant is WoW. Any game that the gear has been harder to acquire is nonissue because they were not successful as games. (Please don’t try to claim ffxi was anything even remotely close to successful as an mmo, it peaked under the amount of box sales that many “failure” mmos launch with)

You should easily be able to see the OPs argument though. The OP, and many like him, are not asking to be handed a legendary. What they are asking for is something as epic as the title of “Legendary” deserves. There is nothing “epic” or “legendary” about simply gambling. What they want is a true legendary quest. They want to feel like they’ve actually earned, and accomplished something by getting their legendary. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.

I’m not going to say that either person is right or wrong, I personally don’t think GW2 has the shelf life for it to matter to me. It matters to other people though, and they seem to mostly agree that getting a legendary doesn’t feel legendary at all.

TheDaiBish.9735:

I don’t think Arthur and Excalibur is an appropriate example, since Arthur was chosen by divine providence (aka RNG), and didn’t have a quest to get it (rather, it was a sign to show who would undertake the quest for the Grail).

I think aedil meant Exclibur in the lady of the lake legend, not that sword in the stone bullkitten.

In that tale, Arthur embarked on a epic quest against the Sable Knight where he was sorely wounded, took refuge with a hermit, met the lady of the lake who gave him Excalibur, and had a rematch which he finally won. The Sable Knight later became one of the knights of the round table (King Pellinore). I believe he also met his wife (lady Guinevre) somewhere along the way. So yeah, that’s pretty epic.

Believe it or not Aedil, people will actually take Arena.Net side on that one and will play with your words too.

Don’t even start to wonder why companies feed us this kitten.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Jski.6180:

Arthur did not spend months nearly years to make an Excalibur from a very low end weapon but you make an Excalibur in ff11 that took a lot of work to the point where it would take a full LS spending months running events to get an item for ONE person. I do not think you understand how good you have it in GW2 when it comes to getting very nice looking and very strong weapons and gear when it comes compared to other mmorpgs.

I think you missed his point entirely. Though your argument isn’t entirely without merit. Sure there are harder games to get good looking gear in. The only one of them that is even vaguely relevant is WoW. Any game that the gear has been harder to acquire is nonissue because they were not successful as games. (Please don’t try to claim ffxi was anything even remotely close to successful as an mmo, it peaked under the amount of box sales that many “failure” mmos launch with)

You should easily be able to see the OPs argument though. The OP, and many like him, are not asking to be handed a legendary. What they are asking for is something as epic as the title of “Legendary” deserves. There is nothing “epic” or “legendary” about simply gambling. What they want is a true legendary quest. They want to feel like they’ve actually earned, and accomplished something by getting their legendary. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.

I’m not going to say that either person is right or wrong, I personally don’t think GW2 has the shelf life for it to matter to me. It matters to other people though, and they seem to mostly agree that getting a legendary doesn’t feel legendary at all.

This +
We might never see any change to the way we get rewards in this game and the thing to blame is TP.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Jski.6180:

Arthur did not spend months nearly years to make an Excalibur from a very low end weapon but you make an Excalibur in ff11 that took a lot of work to the point where it would take a full LS spending months running events to get an item for ONE person. I do not think you understand how good you have it in GW2 when it comes to getting very nice looking and very strong weapons and gear when it comes compared to other mmorpgs.

I think you missed his point entirely. Though your argument isn’t entirely without merit. Sure there are harder games to get good looking gear in. The only one of them that is even vaguely relevant is WoW. Any game that the gear has been harder to acquire is nonissue because they were not successful as games. (Please don’t try to claim ffxi was anything even remotely close to successful as an mmo, it peaked under the amount of box sales that many “failure” mmos launch with)

You should easily be able to see the OPs argument though. The OP, and many like him, are not asking to be handed a legendary. What they are asking for is something as epic as the title of “Legendary” deserves. There is nothing “epic” or “legendary” about simply gambling. What they want is a true legendary quest. They want to feel like they’ve actually earned, and accomplished something by getting their legendary. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.

I’m not going to say that either person is right or wrong, I personally don’t think GW2 has the shelf life for it to matter to me. It matters to other people though, and they seem to mostly agree that getting a legendary doesn’t feel legendary at all.

Then do not get a legendary is it that hard of an concept? Just because something is there dose not mean you should and must get it. What all of this comes down to is that there is something that ppl want and they want it as soon as they can get it if they cant get it in a set time they find it to much work to get but they cant deal with that cost benefit way of looking at things. If you truly cant play something because you cant have it all then there a lot of games you cant play and in a way your keeping your self from having any thing because of this point of view.

Jski.6180:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Jski.6180:

Arthur did not spend months nearly years to make an Excalibur from a very low end weapon but you make an Excalibur in ff11 that took a lot of work to the point where it would take a full LS spending months running events to get an item for ONE person. I do not think you understand how good you have it in GW2 when it comes to getting very nice looking and very strong weapons and gear when it comes compared to other mmorpgs.

I think you missed his point entirely. Though your argument isn’t entirely without merit. Sure there are harder games to get good looking gear in. The only one of them that is even vaguely relevant is WoW. Any game that the gear has been harder to acquire is nonissue because they were not successful as games. (Please don’t try to claim ffxi was anything even remotely close to successful as an mmo, it peaked under the amount of box sales that many “failure” mmos launch with)

You should easily be able to see the OPs argument though. The OP, and many like him, are not asking to be handed a legendary. What they are asking for is something as epic as the title of “Legendary” deserves. There is nothing “epic” or “legendary” about simply gambling. What they want is a true legendary quest. They want to feel like they’ve actually earned, and accomplished something by getting their legendary. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.

I’m not going to say that either person is right or wrong, I personally don’t think GW2 has the shelf life for it to matter to me. It matters to other people though, and they seem to mostly agree that getting a legendary doesn’t feel legendary at all.

Then do not get a legendary is it that hard of an concept? Just because something is there dose not mean you should and must get it. What all of this comes down to is that there is something that ppl want and they want it as soon as they can get it if they cant get it in a set time they find it to much work to get but they cant deal with that cost benefit way of looking at things. If you truly cant play something because you cant have it all then there a lot of games you cant play and in a way your keeping your self from having any thing because of this point of view.

I don’t know how to ask this without being rude, but can you read? If so, do you just lack retention because what you’ve put above doesn’t seem to apply to anything that I just tried to explain to you. Again I’m not trying to be mean, but there is no use continuing the discussion if you either lack the ability to, or refuse to, read and understand what I’ve typed.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Jski.6180:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Jski.6180:

Arthur did not spend months nearly years to make an Excalibur from a very low end weapon but you make an Excalibur in ff11 that took a lot of work to the point where it would take a full LS spending months running events to get an item for ONE person. I do not think you understand how good you have it in GW2 when it comes to getting very nice looking and very strong weapons and gear when it comes compared to other mmorpgs.

I think you missed his point entirely. Though your argument isn’t entirely without merit. Sure there are harder games to get good looking gear in. The only one of them that is even vaguely relevant is WoW. Any game that the gear has been harder to acquire is nonissue because they were not successful as games. (Please don’t try to claim ffxi was anything even remotely close to successful as an mmo, it peaked under the amount of box sales that many “failure” mmos launch with)

You should easily be able to see the OPs argument though. The OP, and many like him, are not asking to be handed a legendary. What they are asking for is something as epic as the title of “Legendary” deserves. There is nothing “epic” or “legendary” about simply gambling. What they want is a true legendary quest. They want to feel like they’ve actually earned, and accomplished something by getting their legendary. Unfortunately that isn’t the case.

I’m not going to say that either person is right or wrong, I personally don’t think GW2 has the shelf life for it to matter to me. It matters to other people though, and they seem to mostly agree that getting a legendary doesn’t feel legendary at all.

Then do not get a legendary is it that hard of an concept? Just because something is there dose not mean you should and must get it. What all of this comes down to is that there is something that ppl want and they want it as soon as they can get it if they cant get it in a set time they find it to much work to get but they cant deal with that cost benefit way of looking at things. If you truly cant play something because you cant have it all then there a lot of games you cant play and in a way your keeping your self from having any thing because of this point of view.

I don’t know how to ask this without being rude, but can you read? If so, do you just lack retention because what you’ve put above doesn’t seem to apply to anything that I just tried to explain to you. Again I’m not trying to be mean, but there is no use continuing the discussion if you either lack the ability to, or refuse to, read and understand what I’ve typed.

Ok point of point.
“What they are asking for is something as epic as the title of “Legendary” deserves. There is nothing “epic” or “legendary” about simply gambling."
Every thing you do in a game or in life IS a gamble to get something or not even to do an event is a gamble if your going to win or lose. To say getting a legendary is nothing more then a simply gambling as you put it is a fools argument because there is a LOT more to it then just spamming the MF but you and others have lost all prospective on gaming. If something is not hard or you have done it more then once it becomes worthless to run any more but that FIRST time you ran it was the main push to get your item every other time you keep doing it to get that item or more like it IS YOU CHOSE and NOT THE GAME MAKERS CHOSE.

“They want to feel like they’ve actually earned, and accomplished something by getting their legendary. Unfortunately that isn’t the case. "

No it is the case your just unable to see things in terms of playing a game any more. At best your coming at this from how many times do i need to kill this mob or how many times must i hit a button before i revive my item.

I am just trying to point out that you cant forces a feeling on some one if they have it in there mind to grind for something then that something will never have the same worth of something that a person PLAYS for.

What jski is true. There’s a lot more to legendaries than the RNG. There’s a lot of grinding after you win at the mystic forge. Also, players apparently play GW2 to experience the harshness of real life.

Why not make it like Black Moa Chick scavenger hunt from GW1.

Assyrian.4827:

Why not make it like Black Moa Chick scavenger hunt from GW1.

For the “first” part of the weapon to make a legendarily i think Anet is adding in something like this in time just not over night there are a few more important things to be worked on before the “best” weapons in the game. (Mind you i do not know what Black Moa Chick" is but i think there a lot of talk for a scavenger hunt.)
But i am not sure how running a more then likely “look it up online” event will make any thing “feel” bigger.

@GSSBlunaspike.4153
Side note that kind of bugging me FF11 was a big game during its time there where a lot of fans who played it. Now ff11 did not have WoW numbers (as time went on) because it came out in a time where mmorpgs where very unpopular.

Troop.1369:

Believe it or not Aedil, people will actually take Arena.Net side on that one and will play with your words too.

Don’t even start to wonder why companies feed us this kitten.

I’ll play with his words because I’ve got better examples about legendary weapons being earned instead of simply handed to you by luck. And because we’re in myth and fiction, might as well stick with it.

How Merlin, son of Prince Corwin of Amber and Queen Dara of Chaos, came by Grayswandir. Or how he discovered the twin of that sword, Werewindle . . . (The Amber Chronicles by Roger Zelazny). (Also fun for the Guns of Avalon . . . hee . . .)

Or we can talk about the Darksword (Weis and Hickman) and how it was specially forged to be the single most dangerous weapon in its world.

How about the quest for Thorn, the black sword forged from the heart of a fallen star, against the ice dragon far in the frozen north? (Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams) Of course, it was about as much use as a Legendary in this game is

I would poke at Greek myths but legendary weapons always tended to be gifts from gods and bestowed on those favored. Also, the legend was more with the man than with the tool . . . I would daresay it was also the case for King Arthur. Excalibur was less the most awe-inspiring sword there is, and more a symbol he was fated for excellent things (no matter which version, with it being given by the Lady in the Lake or it being the Sword in the Stone).

I tend to like the idea of taking something only slightly extraordinary and having it become a legend of its own rather than a predefined something to shoot for. Unfortunately, there’s very few games where you evolve your own “legendary ultimate weapon” as you choose the path. Usually it’s all chosen for you . . . the only game I can think of where you did build your ultimate weapon was “Vagrant Story” and it was severely a grindy path

There should be 20 or so legendary weapons in the world. One of each type.

If you want a legendary, you find the person who has it, kill him, and take it off his cold dead body. Epic, no grind.

To prevent people getting a legendary and then never logging in to get challenged, if you own a legendary and don’t login for longer than 30 hours, then it gets dropped in a random location in the world for people to find.

Ultimately, to call something “Legendary” when large numbers of players can acquire it is self-defeating and silly.

just thought I would throw my 2 cents in here and some random numbers from personal experience.

I got lucky once and got a precursor after months of trying from the forge on my last 40g. I was using rares for the longest time with no luck. I switched to 40g worth of exotics a few months ago and got a dawn.

I sold the dawn and for whatever reason tried for hammer. Cost me about 400g or so worth of exotics nearly breaking the bank to get it. I sold it as well.

I took that money and put it back into greatswords. My mindset was that with 2 precursors there was a better chances (probably not). Once again cost me nearly my entire stack to get another dawn.

I repeated this 5-6 times in total. Each time it cost me 400-500g worth of exotics. I did walk away with a Quip for my engineer, (I had many of the mats already just needed some T6, the precursor and some ectos). But in the long run there was no profit to be made doing this.

Eventually I lost my stack trying to get a dagger precursor for my wife. Such are the ways of the casino though. For the record this was at the time of sentinel gear. I spent a good 500g or so in material to make sentinel dagger and forge those. Never seen that precursor.

I have a legendary (and my precusor was from a drop) and I still don’t like the way legendaries were implemented. I know why it was done. It was done to slow everyone down…because people were burning through content too fast. As the content increases, the need to slow people down will be less and less. Then Anet will change it.

I’ve been playing with the mystic forge trying for a precusor with rare weapons that I get. Three rare weapons and a mystic forge stone. And while I haven’t gotten any precusors doing it, I get reasonably interesting exotics often enough to make it worth it anyway.

To be sure, I’m not probably making much more profit than if I sold them…but it’s not really costing me a ton of money either.

In any event, I’ve gotten some great skins out of it, so I’m relatively happy.

They stated recently that we would be able to craft precursors (god knows when). Just wait for those if you don’t want to deal with the RNG (which I agree is kinda bullkitten).

Until this game has a real end game goal Legendaries will remain the ultimate carrot on a stick for all players, whether they recognize that or not. How to achieve this? by ridiculous luck or ridiculous gold farming… either way, how you get one is a lazy design and it forcing players to play farming wars 2. Look at the forums, read what bothers the players the most, see what is troubling and what is not… you will realize it is like this.

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

Aberrant.6749:

They stated recently that we would be able to craft precursors (god knows when). Just wait for those if you don’t want to deal with the RNG (which I agree is kinda bullkitten).

Recently???? this was said november/december last year!!! yes… keep waiting…

Aedil.1296:

EDIT: please don’t tell me to buy from TP becouse I’m not gonna pay anyone else for having more luck than me, or I drop it or I forge it, it’s a matter of principles.

I just had to laugh at this part. Let me rephrase what you just said into real life terms:

Please don’t tell me to get a job and earn the money to buy a used car because I’m not going to pay anyone else for having more luck than me. I will only buy a used car if I win the lottery and get the money that way because it’s a matter of principles.

Fact is, the BEST way to get a Precursor is to simply buy it. You have arbitrarily decided that you will not buy a Precursor outright and have come here looking for sympathy because you can’t seem to win the completely random Precursor Lotto (which is much more difficult).

Stop choosing to do it the wrong way and simply buy it.

Mesket.5728:

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

you need a total of 120,5 gold for a legendary nothing more and there is no skin thats gold exclusive(some are more rare then others) but gold gives you a shortcut for getting a legendary or rare skin as its alot faster that way

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

you need a total of 120,5 gold for a legendary nothing more and there is no skin thats gold exclusive(some are more rare then others) but gold gives you a shortcut for getting a legendary or rare skin as its alot faster that way

Guys!!! Listen!!! Korsbaek told us we only need 120,5g for a legendary!!! We are all wrong!!!

but… maybe… if I want to do it befooore year 2073 with the current drop rates… hmmm… perhaps I need a few more hundreds/thousand.-

Stop flushing gold down the mystic toilet. Save up those chunks of 20g and buy the precursor off the TP.

Choose the methods that remove the RNG and you’ll likely end up much happier.

Let other people who insist on gambling drink from the blue swirl. Meanwhile, you’ll get your legendary.

Mesket.5728:

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

you need a total of 120,5 gold for a legendary nothing more and there is no skin thats gold exclusive(some are more rare then others) but gold gives you a shortcut for getting a legendary or rare skin as its alot faster that way

Guys!!! Listen!!! Korsbaek told us we only need 120,5g for a legendary!!! We are all wrong!!!

but… maybe… if I want to do it befooore year 2073 with the current drop rates… hmmm… perhaps I need a few more hundreds/thousand.-

what you need gold to get exept the runestones, the recipes and the gift of battle?
anything else is a shortcut and a huge one to but its not needed to take the shortcut

Korsbaek.9803:

what you need gold to get exept the runestones, the recipes and the gift of battle?
anything else is a shortcut and a huge one to but its not needed to take the shortcut

While I mostly agree, I do think that buying the precursor is “needed” since the drop rate is so low. Expecting one to drop is, quite frankly, dumb. Expecting the one you actually want to drop is many orders of dumb.

Can you get one without buying it? Yes.
Should you wait for one to fall into your lap? No.

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

you need a total of 120,5 gold for a legendary nothing more and there is no skin thats gold exclusive(some are more rare then others) but gold gives you a shortcut for getting a legendary or rare skin as its alot faster that way

Guys!!! Listen!!! Korsbaek told us we only need 120,5g for a legendary!!! We are all wrong!!!

but… maybe… if I want to do it befooore year 2073 with the current drop rates… hmmm… perhaps I need a few more hundreds/thousand.-

what you need gold to get exept the runestones, the recipes and the gift of battle?
anything else is a shortcut and a huge one to but its not needed to take the shortcut

Ok please enlight me, how do I farm 100 Charged or Onyx or Corrupted without having to buy them… how do I farm 250 of each T6,… how do I farm stacks of Ectos? Answer in time units compatible with human life…

For the sake of your intelligence I do hope you are not being serious about not needing more than 120,5g for a Legendary.

Mesket.5728:

Ok please enlight me, how do I farm 100 Charged or Onyx or Corrupted without having to buy them… how do I farm 250 of each T6,… how do I farm stacks of Ectos? Answer in time units compatible with human life…

For the sake of your intelligence I do hope you are not being serious about not needing more than 120,5g for a Legendary.

They take time. Time that you can trade for gold. The bare minimum amount of gold is not that high, however the time cost is prohibitive and farming gold is faster.

There is an actual minimum required amount of gold, anything above that is used to reduce time.

mtpelion.4562:

Mesket.5728:

Ok please enlight me, how do I farm 100 Charged or Onyx or Corrupted without having to buy them… how do I farm 250 of each T6,… how do I farm stacks of Ectos? Answer in time units compatible with human life…

For the sake of your intelligence I do hope you are not being serious about not needing more than 120,5g for a Legendary.

They take time. Time that you can trade for gold. The bare minimum amount of gold is not that high, however the time cost is prohibitive and farming gold is faster.

There is an actual minimum required amount of gold, anything above that is used to reduce time.

yup, exactly my point. Bolding the key word.

Mesket.5728:

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

you need a total of 120,5 gold for a legendary nothing more and there is no skin thats gold exclusive(some are more rare then others) but gold gives you a shortcut for getting a legendary or rare skin as its alot faster that way

Guys!!! Listen!!! Korsbaek told us we only need 120,5g for a legendary!!! We are all wrong!!!

but… maybe… if I want to do it befooore year 2073 with the current drop rates… hmmm… perhaps I need a few more hundreds/thousand.-

what you need gold to get exept the runestones, the recipes and the gift of battle?
anything else is a shortcut and a huge one to but its not needed to take the shortcut

Ok please enlight me, how do I farm 100 Charged or Onyx or Corrupted without having to buy them… how do I farm 250 of each T6,… how do I farm stacks of Ectos? Answer in time units compatible with human life…

For the sake of your intelligence I do hope you are not being serious about not needing more than 120,5g for a Legendary.

each loadstone drops off there respectebale mobs go kill them enough.
same with T6 mats,
if you have problems with ectos then go do fractals, dungoens or dragons;)

as i have not done it yet i cant say how long it will take but yes it will take a long time and thats what the gold is buying you(time)

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

Korsbaek.9803:

Mesket.5728:

In a game with no expensive consumables, with no need to upgrade gear constantly… why is people so eager to get gold? Why do you even need gold to begin with?,… Yes, there we go… Legendaries (and other expensive luck/gold exclusive skins).

you need a total of 120,5 gold for a legendary nothing more and there is no skin thats gold exclusive(some are more rare then others) but gold gives you a shortcut for getting a legendary or rare skin as its alot faster that way

Guys!!! Listen!!! Korsbaek told us we only need 120,5g for a legendary!!! We are all wrong!!!

but… maybe… if I want to do it befooore year 2073 with the current drop rates… hmmm… perhaps I need a few more hundreds/thousand.-

what you need gold to get exept the runestones, the recipes and the gift of battle?
anything else is a shortcut and a huge one to but its not needed to take the shortcut

Ok please enlight me, how do I farm 100 Charged or Onyx or Corrupted without having to buy them… how do I farm 250 of each T6,… how do I farm stacks of Ectos? Answer in time units compatible with human life…

For the sake of your intelligence I do hope you are not being serious about not needing more than 120,5g for a Legendary.

each loadstone drops off there respectebale mobs go kill them enough.
same with T6 mats,
if you have problems with ectos then go do fractals, dungoens or dragons;)

as i have not done it yet i cant say how long it will take but yes it will take a long time and thats what the gold is buying you(time)

And here we go again… the ammount of time required to get all the mats required for a legendary is ridiculous. Noone on a sain mind would endure the pain. Far from being called a game, something to have fun with… So in order to keep this game as a game, you need many times more gold than you mentioned.

nope you dont as a legendary is nothing more then looks and for me playing to have fun have nothing to do with looks so a legendary will come at some point but im not farming for it in any way and will end up with one at some point
to me it sounds like haveing a legendary = fun for me thats not true at all

Mesket.5728:

Aberrant.6749:

They stated recently that we would be able to craft precursors (god knows when). Just wait for those if you don’t want to deal with the RNG (which I agree is kinda bullkitten).

Recently???? this was said november/december last year!!! yes… keep waiting…

It was said like..last month in the post about the second half of the year. Supposed to be implemented some time before 2014…but we’ll see.

Precursors are the worst part of the legendary, to me. I have been incredibly lucky in both drops and taste (Dawn out of forge, Venom off Supply Camp, and 2 precursors off TP for 50g or less), but I still feel as though this system is bull kitten. I have about four guildies standing around with everything but the precursor trying to horde gold to purchase, gambling in small bits, and still attempting to get some enjoyment out of the game.

The OP has chosen not to purchase off the TP, which I can kind of understand. That said, I think everyone just kinda needs to wait this one out. No amount of forum posts are going to make this happen any sooner, as we’ve seen. Fingers crossed it happens soon. I had been hoping the crafting thing would be their anniversary present to us, but I guess a mini Jennah is on the same level….

Heylo.4938:

Mesket.5728:

Aberrant.6749:

They stated recently that we would be able to craft precursors (god knows when). Just wait for those if you don’t want to deal with the RNG (which I agree is kinda bullkitten).

Recently???? this was said november/december last year!!! yes… keep waiting…

It was said like..last month in the post about the second half of the year. Supposed to be implemented some time before 2014…but we’ll see.

Precursors are the worst part of the legendary, to me. I have been incredibly lucky in both drops and taste (Dawn out of forge, Venom off Supply Camp, and 2 precursors off TP for 50g or less), but I still feel as though this system is bull kitten. I have about four guildies standing around with everything but the precursor trying to horde gold to purchase, gambling in small bits, and still attempting to get some enjoyment out of the game.

The OP has chosen not to purchase off the TP, which I can kind of understand. That said, I think everyone just kinda needs to wait this one out. No amount of forum posts are going to make this happen any sooner, as we’ve seen. Fingers crossed it happens soon. I had been hoping the crafting thing would be their anniversary present to us, but I guess a mini Jennah is on the same level….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Where-s-the-Scavenger-Hunt-post/first#post1191312

7 Months ago people were already asking for an update on the scavenger hunt. It was announced even before that.

Mesket.5728:

Heylo.4938:

Mesket.5728:

Aberrant.6749:

They stated recently that we would be able to craft precursors (god knows when). Just wait for those if you don’t want to deal with the RNG (which I agree is kinda bullkitten).

Recently???? this was said november/december last year!!! yes… keep waiting…

It was said like..last month in the post about the second half of the year. Supposed to be implemented some time before 2014…but we’ll see.

Precursors are the worst part of the legendary, to me. I have been incredibly lucky in both drops and taste (Dawn out of forge, Venom off Supply Camp, and 2 precursors off TP for 50g or less), but I still feel as though this system is bull kitten. I have about four guildies standing around with everything but the precursor trying to horde gold to purchase, gambling in small bits, and still attempting to get some enjoyment out of the game.

The OP has chosen not to purchase off the TP, which I can kind of understand. That said, I think everyone just kinda needs to wait this one out. No amount of forum posts are going to make this happen any sooner, as we’ve seen. Fingers crossed it happens soon. I had been hoping the crafting thing would be their anniversary present to us, but I guess a mini Jennah is on the same level….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Where-s-the-Scavenger-Hunt-post/first#post1191312

7 Months ago people were already asking for an update on the scavenger hunt. It was announced even before that.

Yeah, I remember them announcing it forever ago, but they recently updated us on it again saying it’d be done by the end of this year. Do I believe them enough to not purchase my next precursor? No. But they have said something about it within the last few months, which, in your original post, you didn’t seem to know about.

Korsbaek.9803:

each loadstone drops off there respectebale mobs go kill them enough.
same with T6 mats,
if you have problems with ectos then go do fractals, dungoens or dragons;)

as i have not done it yet i cant say how long it will take but yes it will take a long time and thats what the gold is buying you(time)

In bold is the part that invalidates a lot of what you’ve said.

Your opinions don’t include issues with Farming Punishment (DR), and the low drop rates.

Have you even looked at the required components for a legendary? 250 of each T6 mat (more for for a few of them because things like The Bitfrost actually require 750 Crystaline Dust total). The Dreamer requires 100 Opal orbs and 100 Chrysicola orbs, which as far as open world PvE goes, pretty much only drop from orichalcum nodes and the occasional chest (which are both time gated items).
If I go farming for half an hour in Cursed Shore, and half an hour in Frostgorge, I get roughly 12 T6 mats on average (this was after a week of “farming” tests).
Gathering the materials for The Bitfrost would take 208 days if you are a “casual” player who only has the focus to farm an hour a day.
But those aren’t the only materials needed.

That doesn’t even touch on issues of certain mats costing more on the tp but dropping less in world. Or the fact that RNG plays such a huge part in two of the main components. The only bonus you get is that when you make mystic clovers, a failed clover recipe might get you some of the T6 mats (it also might net you a single ancient wood plank).

I don’t mind some of the time gating. I think a legendary should take a while to make, but it should also be a set path.

The RNG crap is just ArenaNet making money, nothing more.

I made Kudzu (no lodes needed) in ~5 months since beginning of game. I had luck to make prec in MF (used rares I made myself from t5 mats I found – no buying), but I didn’t farm ANYTHING. I just played. I bought and dropped mats, but everything was from normal play – WvW, fractal lvl progression (it was new back then) and some casual dung running. Doable? Doable.

Terkov.4138:

I made Kudzu (no lodes needed) in ~5 months since beginning of game. I had luck to make prec in MF (used rares I made myself from t5 mats I found – no buying), but I didn’t farm ANYTHING. I just played. I bought and dropped mats, but everything was from normal play – WvW, fractal lvl progression (it was new back then) and some casual dung running. Doable? Doable.

Lol, sure you got 250 of each T6 just playing within 5 months of release… everyone who plays this game believes you.

Mesket.5728:

Lol, sure you got 250 of each T6 just playing within 5 months of release… everyone who plays this game believes you.

I do. Drop rates were MUCH better back then.

mtpelion.4562:

Mesket.5728:

Lol, sure you got 250 of each T6 just playing within 5 months of release… everyone who plays this game believes you.

I do. Drop rates were MUCH better back then.

I’ve been playing since closed beta, no need to tell me. Of course we all believe you.

Mesket.5728:

Aberrant.6749:

They stated recently that we would be able to craft precursors (god knows when). Just wait for those if you don’t want to deal with the RNG (which I agree is kinda bullkitten).

Recently???? this was said november/december last year!!! yes… keep waiting…

Afaik they didn’t specifically say craft pre’s then. Just that they were working on a way to make it easier and they suggested a scavenger hunt (this is just off of memory though).

This time it seems more solid.

Mesket.5728:

Terkov.4138:

I made Kudzu (no lodes needed) in ~5 months since beginning of game. I had luck to make prec in MF (used rares I made myself from t5 mats I found – no buying), but I didn’t farm ANYTHING. I just played. I bought and dropped mats, but everything was from normal play – WvW, fractal lvl progression (it was new back then) and some casual dung running. Doable? Doable.

Lol, sure you got 250 of each T6 just playing within 5 months of release… everyone who plays this game believes you.

Some people are better at making gold than others. It’s very much within reason to get enough gold to do this within that time period. There are some that could have done that many times over at that point in the game. It’s not like legendary weapons didn’t exist until recently because the gold/t6 were just SO hard to farm that it prevented it.

There were also people that didn’t have his luck with the forge and bought the precursor plus all of the required mats to make a legendary… or bought the legendary st8 off of the TP… both of which requires significantly more gold.

It’s not that I don’t believe someone could make a legendary 5 months after release… But I don’t believe he didn’t farm for it.

Unless he is talking literally and he didn’t planted and seized any seed on the soil to get a legendary, we all know that getting stacks of ectos, T6 mats, lodestones, its not something you ‘accidentally’ get by doing random different things.

5 months have (aprox) 3.6K hours… how many hours do you have to play to get that without any real farming? do you also believe him?

If you play a lot you do get drops. If you played a lot before drop rates were nerfed and diminishing returns were added it is not inconceivable that you could have gotten enough good drops to supply enough materials and gold to make a legendary without “farming” (depending on how you define farming).

Mesket.5728:

It’s not that I don’t believe someone could make a legendary 5 months after release… But I don’t believe he didn’t farm for it.

Unless he is talking literally and he didn’t planted and seized any seed on the soil to get a legendary, we all know that getting stacks of ectos, T6 mats, lodestones, its not something you ‘accidentally’ get by doing random different things.

5 months have (aprox) 3.6K hours… how many hours do you have to play to get that without any real farming? do you also believe him?

sorry but getting a stack of ectos is so easy and it does not take 2 months to do heck even 1 is possible without farming

mtpelion.4562:

Aedil.1296:

EDIT: please don’t tell me to buy from TP becouse I’m not gonna pay anyone else for having more luck than me, or I drop it or I forge it, it’s a matter of principles.

I just had to laugh at this part. Let me rephrase what you just said into real life terms:

Please don’t tell me to get a job and earn the money to buy a used car because I’m not going to pay anyone else for having more luck than me. I will only buy a used car if I win the lottery and get the money that way because it’s a matter of principles.

Fact is, the BEST way to get a Precursor is to simply buy it. You have arbitrarily decided that you will not buy a Precursor outright and have come here looking for sympathy because you can’t seem to win the completely random Precursor Lotto (which is much more difficult).

Stop choosing to do it the wrong way and simply buy it.

Let me rephrase this into what I feel the OP meant

Why should they have to pay someone to build their house when they are capable and want to build it themselves?

They are not asking for handouts. Idk why ppl repeatedly think that. They keep hearing “go right” even when told “go left” at every turn, then complain about ppl saying “go right”. It makes me question intelligence sometimes.

Essence Snow.3194:

mtpelion.4562:

Aedil.1296:

EDIT: please don’t tell me to buy from TP becouse I’m not gonna pay anyone else for having more luck than me, or I drop it or I forge it, it’s a matter of principles.

I just had to laugh at this part. Let me rephrase what you just said into real life terms:

Please don’t tell me to get a job and earn the money to buy a used car because I’m not going to pay anyone else for having more luck than me. I will only buy a used car if I win the lottery and get the money that way because it’s a matter of principles.

Fact is, the BEST way to get a Precursor is to simply buy it. You have arbitrarily decided that you will not buy a Precursor outright and have come here looking for sympathy because you can’t seem to win the completely random Precursor Lotto (which is much more difficult).

Stop choosing to do it the wrong way and simply buy it.

Let me rephrase this into what I feel the OP meant

Why should they have to pay someone to build their house when they are capable and want to build it themselves?

They are not asking for handouts. Idk why ppl repeatedly think that. They keep hearing “go right” even when told “go left” at every turn, then complain about ppl saying “go right”. It makes me question intelligence sometimes.

and we are saying that there is a way to get the things needed for building the house as it is and anything more would be a handout

W/o using the TP? Somethings are not remotely reasonable when based solely on luck which may or may not be bugged.

You can build your house but it’ll take you 100 years due to the system we have in place. Possible? Yes. Remotely reasonable? No.