Guild Wars 2

To: Arenanet

Has any thought been given to crafting with regards to the release of Ascended gear? Currently, only the rings are in competition vis a vis crafted Exotic jewellery, and the rings require a fairly significant time investment in FOTM to obtain, hence there is still some demand left for Exotic rings.

But with amulets coming up, and others to come, I worry that crafting will simply become useless. In particular, it appears that rings will come next. By this stage, the entire jewellery crafting skill will be useless, since Ascended > Exotics. Is anything being done to rectify this? Or is it intended for all crafting skills to eventually become obsolete due to Ascended gear?

IF there ARE plans to make Ascended gear craftable, why hasn’t it been added for the current Ascended jewellery available? The impact of Ascended gear on crafting skills isn’t fair if this is the case.

More info required, but Arenanet will be hesitant to release it for fear of market manipulation.

I posted my concerns about this in the Flame and Frost thread too. Without some way for Jewellers to upgrade Exotic rings/amulets/trinkets to Ascended versions, they’ll ultimately get left behind. Why would you ever want to level Jeweller to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts), spending a ton of money and time in gathering materials, when you can just save up your Laurels and get a ring/amulet that is undeniably better than ANYTHING you could ever make with Jeweller?

Zaxares.5419:

I posted my concerns about this in the Flame and Frost thread too. Without some way for Jewellers to upgrade Exotic rings/amulets/trinkets to Ascended versions, they’ll ultimately get left behind. Why would you ever want to level Jeweller to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts), spending a ton of money and time in gathering materials, when you can just save up your Laurels and get a ring/amulet that is undeniably better than ANYTHING you could ever make with Jeweller?

A valid point, however, exotics still offer one thing over ascended gear, and that is min/maxing.
“jewels” can’t be changed in ascended gear. So unless they make it so they can or the make an amulet for every combination exotic users can still take advantage of this.
I know it may not be a very important thing to some people but with ascended rings/back myself I know I have 10 precision that is essentially being wasted, I only use them because of resist :/

Dempsey.8760:

Zaxares.5419:

I posted my concerns about this in the Flame and Frost thread too. Without some way for Jewellers to upgrade Exotic rings/amulets/trinkets to Ascended versions, they’ll ultimately get left behind. Why would you ever want to level Jeweller to 400 (outside of crafting Legendary Gifts), spending a ton of money and time in gathering materials, when you can just save up your Laurels and get a ring/amulet that is undeniably better than ANYTHING you could ever make with Jeweller?

A valid point, however, exotics still offer one thing over ascended gear, and that is min/maxing.
“jewels” can’t be changed in ascended gear. So unless they make it so they can or the make an amulet for every combination exotic users can still take advantage of this.
I know it may not be a very important thing to some people but with ascended rings/back myself I know I have 10 precision that is essentially being wasted, I only use them because of resist :/

Also a valid point, but we don’t know how many different Ascended amulets will be available, or whether additional Ascended rings will be made available via the Laural merchant. (I imagine that over time more Ascended items will be introduced that will eventually cover all of the different attribute spreads one could craft through Jeweller anyway.)

There are only seven different jewels (nine if you also count Snowflakes and the ridiculously rare Passiflora) that can be put into jewellery, and considering the wide variety of rings and backslots we got with Fractals, I think we could hit that limit very easily.

The thing is no one will bother with anything if you just “craft it cheaply”.

And if you start allow people to craft “really expensive ascended gear”, people complain about pay to win.

Me personally I maxed all profession, and I’m happy we arn’t able to craft ascended gear. If you think spending 5 gold is expensive to level up jewelcrafting. Imagine spending 50 gold for a piece of ascended gear, and a few hundred gold for a set.

I think it is just natural progression, they want to exhaust their content, make people do other things and use ascended gear as carrot on a stick. Which is hard to do when ascended gear can be bought cheaply by a couple of coin.

I didn’t say anything about being able to craft it “cheaply”. ANet doesn’t even need to create craftable Ascended items. All I’m looking for is a way to UPGRADE existing Exotic items to Ascended tier. This could be done by way of a Mystic Forge recipe where you put:

- Your Exotic item
- 50 Vials of Condensed Mist Essence/10 Globs of Coagulated Mist Essence
- 10 Philosopher’s Stones/3 Crystals
- 1 Bottle of Elonian Wine

And the Mystic Forge spits out an Ascended version of the same Exotic item. Like all Ascended items, the stats on the item are now fixed and can’t be changed, so you need to make sure that the item you want to Ascend is correct and properly runed/sigil’ed in every aspect.

To round it out, make it so you can trade in Laurels for Vials/Globs of Mist Essence, and you’d have a system that would please just about everybody.

Ya but only reason you are saying that is because you do fractal regulary and have too much of the vial and globs which you find no use for.

If I replace that with 50 ecto and 250 tier6 material “which is probably easier to get for most people” you won’t be happy(at least I don’t think you will unless you very rich), most other people won’t be happy too.

have u done fotms?

if your like me, and u do the daily, and have been, instead of asking Anet can you let us craft ascended rings, you will ask them, Can we please SALVAGE all our junk rings we been collecting.

Ascended rings isnt hard to collect.
I bet you be constant in fotm, and within 1 months of time, you’ll need another bank slot to store all your junk rings in hopes Anet will allow us to do something with junk rings.

@laokoko: Actually, I have never done Fractals even once. I’m still too busy getting my characters through PvE! I only used Vials/Globs of Mist Essence in my example since that seems to be the key ingredient in crafting Ascended items. As long as there was a way for other characters to obtain those items (through Laurels, or maybe on the TP), I think it’s a fair system.

@Naekuh: And this is the other side of the equation. Regular Fractal players have so many Ascended Rings they don’t know what to do with them! I’d support making Ascended Rings sellable on the TP, or perhaps salvageable into Ecto/Vials of Mist Essence.

I think the best thing ANet could do would be to wait until Ascended items of every type are released, then make crafting professions max out at 450 or so with Ascended items being able to be crafted there (in the same patch as the last group of ascended items). If they don’t expand crafting disciplines, they are stuck with a dillema: make liars of themselves because crafting can no longer get you the best gear (one of their stated goals with crafting) or have an entire category of items that are pointless to craft (exotics).

The wait is simply to make it fair across all professions. That way all are boosted simultaneously.

The one sticking point is the experience issue, especially with discovery. By now, most level 400 crafters have discovered most or all of the recipes, so they are looking at a very expensive grind to get to a theoretical level 450.

Forward time and now several crafting disciplines have been released except for jewelry.

What do you guys think of the current status of things and how do you foresee craftable ascended jewelry will be made available in the future?

I still want Ascended items to be salvageable (they give back random Ascended mats, 1-3 Ectos and 1-3 Dark Matter).

r500 Jeweler is almost a certainty. r500 Chef is also very likely.

murven.7581:

Forward time and now several crafting disciplines have been released except for jewelry.

What do you guys think of the current status of things and how do you foresee craftable ascended jewelry will be made available in the future?

It will definitely be available in the future – and likely relatively soon. On the other hand, looking back at the topic, i find it ironic that it won’t address the main point OP mentioned. If the cost of levelling up to 500 and ascended crafting will be similar for jeweller as for other crafts, it will still remain useless. Getting ascended gear through laurels/relics will remain both cheaper and easier than trying to craft them.

Not sure how it will be addressed – assuming it will be addressed at all, which i sincerely doubt at this point.

Well the same situation (i didn’t use the word problem here intentionally) occurs with Exotic Armor. For me its far easier to do dungeon run, accumulating gold and tokens, then use these tokens to buy my exotic armor. But for other, they use karma, other prefer paying gold to buy 1 set of armor, while other use crafting to gear up several alt.

The same thing will happen with rings. Its easier to get them by FotM, but if you dislike it or don’t only do 1-2 run each weeks? Then you can go with laurels, but if you want to keep laurel for ascended gear recipe? or you prefer to use Laurel for Tier 6 because you are doing a legendary? Or if you really what this mini that cost a high number of laurel? Then now you don’t really have anyways to get Rings that fit your gameplay. There is why ascended jewel crafting will be useful.

Astralporing.1957:

murven.7581:

Forward time and now several crafting disciplines have been released except for jewelry.

What do you guys think of the current status of things and how do you foresee craftable ascended jewelry will be made available in the future?

It will definitely be available in the future – and likely relatively soon. On the other hand, looking back at the topic, i find it ironic that it won’t address the main point OP mentioned. If the cost of levelling up to 500 and ascended crafting will be similar for jeweller as for other crafts, it will still remain useless. Getting ascended gear through laurels/relics will remain both cheaper and easier than trying to craft them.

Not sure how it will be addressed – assuming it will be addressed at all, which i sincerely doubt at this point.

Yes, that is still my main doubt, even as much as I like crafting, I do not see why to level jeweler when laurels is a much more efficient and cheaper way to get ascended jewerly.

I see no point in introducing craftable ascended jewels to the game at this point, when people are already skipping exotic jewels to go from green to ascended directly with laurels.