Guild Wars 2

Idk if it is just me, but I am having a very hard time trying to justify crafting one of the high end skins. Not because of the cost necessarily but moreso because I know in the future it will be second rate.

With legendaries we have the premise that they will always be best in slot, so there is not concern about spending massive time/effort and having it diminished via an update.

Lets take Infinate Light for an example. This non-legendary weapon requires 250 charged lodestones which if bought comes to 922 gold ish and if farmed…….well lets be honest you don’t have a chance in heck to farm 250 charged lodestones unless something is off about ya.

There are plenty of these high end weapons out there that have this issue of doom and gloom attached to them. I am well aware that one could use a fine transmutation stone to upgrade the skin in the future, but let’s be honest…the new best in slot weapons will not be cheap and will most likely require lots of grinding in of themselves.

Now something that could be done to resolve this issue would be the addition of a stat upgrade item. Even though I dislike the idea of an item like that being exclusive to the gem shop, I know it would sell and sell well. Just a thought.

I would like to hear/read ya’lls (yes I know y’all…not gonna happen) opinion on this. Is this a legitimate concern? 1st world problem? Am I complaining for the sake of complaining?

Legitimate concern.
Most likely transmutation will be the only answer. Or another trip to rng hell via mystic toilet

Its possible that the more expensive Eldritch Scroll weapons will be Ascended stats after the changes.

The entire reason me and many others bought this game is because it promised a horizontal gear grind.

If and when a gem purchase is required or legendaries have superior stats to crafted/karma gear?

This game becomes Pandaria light. The only thing they have promised is that Legendaries will be upgraded to ascended. If ascended weapons/gear are not easily affordable then this game becomes a job and I might as well play a game with a monthly fee.

WvW is going 24/7. There isn’t enough time in a day to be on a top WvW realm and farm all the crap needed for a legendary. The entire point of GW2 is that the “gear grind” was skins. When they introduced ascended items, even just the rings/back piece, I was absolutely floored. I don’t care if it is plus 10 power. That is a stat advantage and belongs nowhere in this game.

The idea of a new tier of stat gear is stupid anyways, unless it is PVE ONLY (resisting dmg of instance mobs).

Anet could make a silly amount of money just releasing a weapon that looked like a lightsaber (see Teebu’s blazing longsword) on their ahouse, or skins that didn’t look horrible, or hats that were wearable in WvW (see TF2).

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to create a stat differential in this game. If and when they do? People will leave. Why? Because if they are going to be forced to pve/grind endlessly, then they will do so in a game where that kind of stuff is celebrated with “world firsts”, and where pve guilds are sponsored.

When I hear the developers say things like ascended is a gap between normal and legendary? Then I become very worried about the future of this game. It is doing quite well now and seems to be on the upswing. All it would take is one idiotic move by the development team to kill it though. See Ilum in SWTOR for a good example.

There are plenty of other ways to make more money for bandwidth costs. Fine Transmutation stones are severely UNDER PRICED. They could raise the price to 1000 gems for 5 and people would pay it gladly. Add to that? All the cooler stuff (sunglasses) can’t be worn in WvW. So why would I ever buy them? Lion’s arch is a lag fest (as are most capital cities in any mmo), where people have major culling issues. What is the point of getting “cool town gear” if I can’t even show it off?

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

Malediktus.9250:

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

Wait what? Can you please clarify? Are you saying that at some point legendary weapons will not have highest stats available?

Malediktus.9250:

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

Sorry, but this is downright false. Lindsey Murdock said specifically (https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/) that legendaries will ALWAYS be upgraded so that they stay best-in-slot.

You are in for a nasty suprise if you think they will always be best in slot and max lvl. If we are lucky they will be upgradeadble thought.

Malediktus.9250:

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

If they did that, me and every current legendary owner would quit the game,
thats like getting a 1st place gold trophy and the last place guy giving the judges £30 to announce a tie for 1st place for you and the loser, sharing your trophy.

The issue of lodestones is what needs to be sorted, we need more places to get them instead of being forced to do Orr Temples and Fractals.

Game is about skins. How do you know that the ascended weapons are going to be better looking that the current skins? YOU DONT.

So even if all these current crafted weapons were BIS like legendaries, what if they add new 10x nicer skins? You wouldnt care that they are not BIS and you would just go for the weapon that looks amazing.

If you are crafting Legendaries, Mjolnir, Infinite light for stats or future stats, not skin, then your doing it wrong. Skins are why are you going for them. And even if they werent BIS in next month, who cares. You just craft or drop BIS weapon in few days, weeks and then transmute it.

I crafted Juggernaut and now almost done with Predator and LAST thing I care about is some BIS status in future … In this game, have BIS items is easy as ****

@The Blue Ace … So no … Owners of legendaries I know personally wont quit game even if Legendaries werent always BIS. Because they crafted them for skins, like I did. So please stop saying things like you know everything.

And no, Lodestones should stay expensive as they are now. They are the only expensive material in this game. And I didnt start playing Guild Wars 2 just because everyone can have everything for free.

So guys please stop speculating about this, even if they werent BIS forever, who cares. They have awesome skins and you can have BIS weapon for few golds, or few dungeon runs and then transmute stats

You are acting like if all those Legendaries, expensive crafted weapons should become absolete, which is not the case. In many mmorpgs you had to just sell the skin of weapon you loved because you had no transmutation option, here you got it. So be happy about that.

Malediktus.9250:

You are in for a nasty suprise if you think they will always be best in slot and max lvl. If we are lucky they will be upgradeadble thought.

You obviously come from WoW.

Never during the original Guild Wars did they pull such a move.
I doubt they will here either.

Malediktus.9250:

You are in for a nasty suprise if you think they will always be best in slot and max lvl. If we are lucky they will be upgradeadble thought.

Everything from Prophecies in GW1 remained best in slot throughout every expansion. To make a claim like this is childish, at best. Anet has a good reputation when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Dogblaster.6713:

I crafted Juggernaut and now almost done with Predator

Right there.

Thats why you wouldn’t care about a legendary, your juggernaut was made with lodestones that cost 75 gold altogether. For people like me and many others who have to slave for hours legitimacy grinding for 100 charged lodestones or saving 400 gold, making all of that effort to complete sunrise and make it void would create a huge back lash.

I don’t expect you, power traders or people with legendarys made from lodestones under 1 gold each to understand.

There is a issue and unfairness in the game regarding lodestones
And no one except an arena.net employee is going to tell me otherwise.

The Blue Ace.2850:

Malediktus.9250:

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

If they did that, me and every current legendary owner would quit the game,
thats like getting a 1st place gold trophy and the last place guy giving the judges £30 to announce a tie for 1st place for you and the loser, sharing your trophy.

The issue of lodestones is what needs to be sorted, we need more places to get them instead of being forced to do Orr Temples and Fractals.

Is your legendary better then any exotic now? No. It has a different weapon skin. This game was SOLD as a game with a horizontal gear grind. To change that to appease a few people who want better stats then everyone else? Then Anet is guilty of false advertising.

Most people bought this game because it was touted as not being a “job” and we heard the term “skill matters” a few thousand times. Most of us are already ticked off at the small difference (in stats) with ascended gems. If they add any more stat advantages? Prepare to see a mass exodus. If I am going to play a game with stat advantages, that requires a STUPID amount of play time to get? I will go play a game where I can have stupidly, unfair stat advantages and where progression and hard modes are rewarded over gold/money.

Whoever thought up ascended weapons at Anet and added anything other then “resist” to dungeon mobs should be fired. All they had to do was make mobs in the new instances cast “frost spells” etc, and then put frost resist on the ascended gear.

I laid out countless ways in which they could make MORE money and not tick off the entire playerbase. As it is? Any addition to base stats should be removed from ascended rings. Players were never promised a stat advantage in this game. This game was sold as a horizontal gear grind, where"skill" is rewarded.

They might as well change that sales pitch to, “we are no different then any other MMO, but play this game anyways”.

If you think you are entitled to something that this game NEVER promised, and is the OPPOSITE of what we were told when we were sold the game? You are simply being delusional. You threaten to quit, but you won’t. We on the other hand will. You have real life money/insane amounts of time tied up in this game. For us? This was a nice change from Pandaria. If it becomes like that game? Why not go back? Or better yet? Quit these endless stat gear grinds all together and tell these companies what they can do with their greed, and lack of creativity in getting our money.

I would love to buy things off the gem shop. The problem? It is all garbage. Town skins? I am never in town. I am in WvW. When I am in town I have culling/lag issues (like everyone else. I leave as soon as my queue is up, or I just teleport to Cursed Shore and farm a bit of gold. The armor skins on the cash shop. Horrid.

Let me wear top gun sun-glasses in WvW? I just might spring real money for that. Force me to buy things with stats, or make this game a job like other mmo’s? I will take my money elsewhere.

The Blue Ace.2850:

Dogblaster.6713:

I crafted Juggernaut and now almost done with Predator

Right there.

Thats why you wouldn’t care about a legendary, your juggernaut was made with lodestones that cost 75 gold altogether. For people like me and many others who have to slave for hours legitimacy grinding for 100 charged lodestones or saving 400 gold, making all of that effort to complete sunrise and make it void would create a huge back lash.

I don’t expect you, power traders or people with legendarys made from lodestones under 1 gold each to understand.

There is a issue and unfairness in the game regarding lodestones
And no one except an arena.net employee is going to tell me otherwise.

First .. Its 130-150 gold for 150 molten lodestones atm.
Second .. Jugernaut also require 250 silver doubloons for 75 gold atm.

+ I said I am done with Predator almost too, 100 onyx lodestones required (one is for 2,40 gold)

Legendary weapons are supposed to be SUPER expensive, 100 charged lodestones are not supposed to be farmed in week or month.

So please dont tell me that I had it easy compared to you, becaue I did spent a lot more golds on it than you did. I had to work kitten hard to get so much golds and material to craft my Legendaries.

And by the way, you did decide to go weapon that require charged lodestones even tho you knew they are the most expensive ones, it was your choice and you cant blame anyone for it.
But when you craft your Legendary that was so expensive (Sunrise, Bolt, etc.) they will have bigger value for you because you knew they required harder effort.

The Blue Ace.2850:

Malediktus.9250:

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

If they did that, me and every current legendary owner would quit the game,
thats like getting a 1st place gold trophy and the last place guy giving the judges £30 to announce a tie for 1st place for you and the loser, sharing your trophy.

The issue of lodestones is what needs to be sorted, we need more places to get them instead of being forced to do Orr Temples and Fractals.

Why speak for everyone? I know me (i am close to finishing juggernaut) and all other legendary owners in my guild wouldnt quit because of it. Thats a redicilous claim.
Legendaries are hard to get yet. But they are definatly not hard enough to get to be best in slot for years to come.

Infinite Light is a skin. Maybe you care about the Sigil of Luck too, but ultimately, its a SKIN. When ascended weapons come out, use a transmute stone and move your SKIN on to the stats you like. You even get to keep your sigil if you like .

Honestly, its a better scenario than the Legendaries – which all have the exact same (boring) addjective/stat-cluster. They’re just going to update to the same stat-cluster at Ascended quantities and you don’t have to live in mortal terror that if you tinker with it it will somehow fail to get Ascendified properly (I just made that word up :p).

Once Ascended weapons exist, they will be accessible. Sure, the legendary crowd will have the stat line day one, but if you have the determination to get Infinite Light in the first place, you can’t be that worried that you’ll somehow not have the stones to rise to whatever challenge getting your red weapon stat line is going to call for.

Dogblaster.6713:

Game is about skins. How do you know that the ascended weapons are going to be better looking that the current skins? YOU DONT.

So even if all these current crafted weapons were BIS like legendaries, what if they add new 10x nicer skins? You wouldnt care that they are not BIS and you would just go for the weapon that looks amazing.

If you are crafting Legendaries, Mjolnir, Infinite light for stats or future stats, not skin, then your doing it wrong. Skins are why are you going for them. And even if they werent BIS in next month, who cares. You just craft or drop BIS weapon in few days, weeks and then transmute it.

I crafted Juggernaut and now almost done with Predator and LAST thing I care about is some BIS status in future … In this game, have BIS items is easy as ****

If I were to craft one of these 1k gold skins you can be your last nickle that I’ll be using it for my gw2 duration. I have “dabbled” in the tp, but tbh I prefer game play, thus hold a time/value ratio that comes from pure play.

The ascended back items (correct me if I’m wrong) are not exactly easy as ****, as you put it, to get through game play. If they are any indication of what’s to come then I am not convinced they will be easy to get. It’s hard to tell the unlucky few that rng does not shine on that ascended rings are easy to get.

Maybe our definition of easy is different?

Ascended back piece took me a week and 0g to earn. I just did it. If that is an indication of the effort to earn ascended items, im very happy.

Renegade.6325:

Ascended back piece took me a week and 0g to earn. I just did it. If that is an indication of the effort to earn ascended items, im very happy.

So you did a week of instances (I would rather be shot), when the whole reason we bought this game was so we didn’t have to do instances?

If we are required to run instances to get all our ascended? I am gone. This game was touted as “skill matters”. Ascended should be available from WvW and easily craftable or it should have pve stats only. If they go the WvW route (I think it is stupid to create a tier 2 gear set when this game is just getting off it’s feet) it should take the same amount of time to get them. If not? Something is very wrong with this game.

They might as well name it “dungeon wars 2”.

How to ruin GW2.

1. Sell a product as a game where gear doesn’t matter, so that people buy it and have fun playing it doing shocker pvp. We even had the audacity in this game to have enough time to play an ALT and not have to worry about gear. Guess that is down the toilet!

2. Pull a 180 and make Gear matter and have PvP affected by PVE that no one even does in this game. I would love to see the stats comparing how many players do WvW, compared to how many do Fractals. I would bet it is 100 to 1…I will never set foot in a raid in this game. It was the whole reason I left WoW. I got sick of raiding and the elitist, theorycrafting clowns who did it, and I was the main freakin tank for these people.

3. Lose all your customers back to WoW, since it is the same thing, except you get more of a gear edge, so that you can clownstomp people even harder.

I have no desire to ever hear people calling other people “bads” again, and comparing gear and stats, even when I was not the one being critiqued. The only thing that brought me joy in GW2 was blowing these kids up when they attempted to enter WvW.

Guess it is time to camp the WvW jumping puzzles, until this patch comes out…I will get my moneys worth one way or another. Because if and when they force me to raid or to farm stupid amounts of gold just to have equal stats? I am going back to WoW. At least that company didn’t lie to me when they sold me their product…

As someone who spends most his time in dungeons and quite a bit of time in WvW as well, I gotta disagree with your 100:1 ratio of WvW vs Fractals. I’d even go as far as to think that there are more people playing PvE, you know… the MAIN part of the game, than there are doing the side game of WvW. This might change if they ever get around to fixing all the problems with WvW but right now it is just invisible zerg vs invisible zerg. Yes it is against people not AI but I’d much rather play an AI I can actually see and get some reward for beating. What do you get when your server wins its WvW match? A pat on the shoulder from your guildmates and a swift kick from ANet’s ranking system.

Deathjester.9841:

The Blue Ace.2850:

Malediktus.9250:

Legendaries wont be best in slot, only highest tier.
So the current lvl 80 legendaries wont be best in slot anymore when the lvl cap gets raised.

If they did that, me and every current legendary owner would quit the game,
thats like getting a 1st place gold trophy and the last place guy giving the judges £30 to announce a tie for 1st place for you and the loser, sharing your trophy.

The issue of lodestones is what needs to be sorted, we need more places to get them instead of being forced to do Orr Temples and Fractals.

Is your legendary better then any exotic now? No. It has a different weapon skin. This game was SOLD as a game with a horizontal gear grind. To change that to appease a few people who want better stats then everyone else? Then Anet is guilty of false advertising.

Most people bought this game because it was touted as not being a “job” and we heard the term “skill matters” a few thousand times. Most of us are already ticked off at the small difference (in stats) with ascended gems. If they add any more stat advantages? Prepare to see a mass exodus. If I am going to play a game with stat advantages, that requires a STUPID amount of play time to get? I will go play a game where I can have stupidly, unfair stat advantages and where progression and hard modes are rewarded over gold/money.

Whoever thought up ascended weapons at Anet and added anything other then “resist” to dungeon mobs should be fired. All they had to do was make mobs in the new instances cast “frost spells” etc, and then put frost resist on the ascended gear.

I laid out countless ways in which they could make MORE money and not tick off the entire playerbase. As it is? Any addition to base stats should be removed from ascended rings. Players were never promised a stat advantage in this game. This game was sold as a horizontal gear grind, where"skill" is rewarded.

They might as well change that sales pitch to, “we are no different then any other MMO, but play this game anyways”.

If you think you are entitled to something that this game NEVER promised, and is the OPPOSITE of what we were told when we were sold the game? You are simply being delusional. You threaten to quit, but you won’t. We on the other hand will. You have real life money/insane amounts of time tied up in this game. For us? This was a nice change from Pandaria. If it becomes like that game? Why not go back? Or better yet? Quit these endless stat gear grinds all together and tell these companies what they can do with their greed, and lack of creativity in getting our money.

I would love to buy things off the gem shop. The problem? It is all garbage. Town skins? I am never in town. I am in WvW. When I am in town I have culling/lag issues (like everyone else. I leave as soon as my queue is up, or I just teleport to Cursed Shore and farm a bit of gold. The armor skins on the cash shop. Horrid.

Let me wear top gun sun-glasses in WvW? I just might spring real money for that. Force me to buy things with stats, or make this game a job like other mmo’s? I will take my money elsewhere.

1.) Not everyone has lag issues in major cites, I’m in JQ and never have lag. I suggest you either re-install this may defrag some files and make the rendering time more suitable, or upgrade some hardware. Also WvW would have more lag stress than in town I’m surprised you have no troubles there.
2.) Anet never really did promise there would be ABSOLUTELY NO vertical gear progression, in-fact if you re-read some of the articals they had about gear progression they were very careful not to make any hard promise on anything of the sort. :/
Also they have stated that they would add other means to obtain ascended items because they realized that not everyone likes pve. I would expect IF anything after ascended comes out then such means would put in place to get them aswell. ALSO I know you want a game based on skill, true I do too and I believe alot of people that play feel the same with that I don’t think anet could really go much further with stat progression. The way the game calculates stats doesn’t really allow for it.
3.) I do agree there is a major lack in town clothes and I think some of them should be able to be worn in other modes/places.
4.) I agree with dogblaster you made the item for the skin and just that skin, it peeves me I had to change the stats on my T3 cultural armors because they wernt exotic but hey, I live with it.

Drede.4701:

I’d even go as far as to think that there are more people playing PvE, you know… the MAIN part of the game, than there are doing the side game of WvW.

What makes you think that PvE is considered the “main” part of the game? Guild Wars, as the name implies is a pvp oriented game with pve aspects.

Deathjester.9841:

Is your legendary better then any exotic now? No. It has a different weapon skin. This game was SOLD as a game with a horizontal gear grind.

Ascended already has better stats then exotic, and that’s within 4 months of the release and I doubt it will stop there.

“best in slot” is so WoW in itself.

Anyway if you like the skin, get it, you can forever attach to to a max stats weapon from then. It means you can take a cheap crafted lvl85 exotic/ascended/whatevertheycallthenextgrindtier and throw your pretty skin on it for the mere cost of a transmute stone.