Guild Wars 2

I’ve been doing the daily quartz skill point channeling pretty much daily since Bazaar of the Four Winds.

Now, Charged Quartz Crystal drops like candy from Giant Wintersday Gifts. Yeah. Thanks a lot for making all my effort and money be worth zero.

Is there any reason for this? Why weren’t we warned about it days ago?

I’ve invested a lot of money and time, specially before the krait obelisk, and now all my efforts feel just stupid and useless.

Edit: Discussion on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1sn0ib/charged_quartz_crystal_disappointment/

I agree. I did the same and feel very stupid too.

On the other hand, this move virtually saved a complete meltdown of the t6 market. It makes ascended leveling very cheap. So while I’m angry too, I do understand the reason for it. It’s a smart move.

Exactly how does this hurt you? Did you not have Charged Quartz available to you for months prior to this addition? If you didn’t use it for some unknown reason, how is that anyone’s fault but yours? Claiming this took a huge amount of effort is ridiculous (granted, it does take a very short amount of time every day to keep consistent supply)

This is actually a GOOD thing in terms of opening Celestial crafting up to everyone (even if you missed getting a Quartz node). On the subject of making Ascended leveling “cheap”, have you seen the costs of the Celestial recipes on the TP? Not what I would ever consider CHEAP. Note that you CANNOT discover Celestial Exotic (unless they changed that in the update), you must BUY each weapon / armor piece recipe (or have obtained them when available during the LS 6 months ago).

I’m guessing the Bazaar of the 4 Winds will return soon after Wintersday to allow for these recipes to be available again (and then players will moan about paying 10 gold each for armor recipes they can now get for a few hours of play).

Brother Grimm.5176:

Exactly how does this hurt you? Did you not have Charged Quartz available to you for months prior to this addition? If you didn’t use it for some unknown reason, how is that anyone’s fault but yours?

This is actually a GOOD thing in terms of opening Celestial crafting up to everyone (even if you missed getting a Quartz node). Now they need to bring back a method to get the Exotic Recipes again as many of them are outrageously expensive on the TP now.

Actually, those recipes are quite cheap right now because they dropped in price prior to patch as everybody expected celestial users to go for ascended cele armor.
After the heavy time gate and not so great buff in stats compared to the exotic cele gear, i expect alot of people to go for the exotic version instead, resulting in a price spike for the recipes again.

Did you check the prices of quartz crystal before Wintersday?

Here, check them: http://www.gw2tp.com/item/43773-quartz-crystal

And I doubt celestial crafting is open to anyone when the recipes are ridiculously expensive. It’s cheap for those of us who have them already.

Now Charged Quartz Crystal has literally zero value.

You are mistaking Quartz for Charged Crystals (obviously, they are related by a 25:1 ratio). Charged Crystals are account bound and not available on the TP……but yes the Quartz market has crashed due to this change.

Recipes might have dipped over the past few weeks per above, but they certainly seemed to have shot back up since the update. Celestial Exalted Coat recipe lowest seller is 23 gold right now.

Well, when they released ascended weapons, people complained that a lot of stats were not available. Also, a lot of people who gathered quartz got their exotic armor and then stopped at it. Now they release ascended armors. Do you prefer to have 1 time gate (bolt of damask) or 2 (bolt of damask + charged) ? I think that in this case, they particularly thought about us.

I think it’s nice that they added charged quartz to the Wintersday gifts to balance out the market and help players who missed the Bazaar of the Four Winds living story.

The problem is that the drop rate is so high that it greatly depreciates the hard work put in by players who have been making charged quartz crystals every day in preparation for ascended crafting.

There was no reason whatsoever to time gate charged quartz. It’s not like celestial is superior to other stats.

Zanshin.5379:

There was no reason whatsoever to time gate charged quartz. It’s not like celestial is superior to other stats.

Actually, if you look at the overall bonuses (rather than min-maxing a few), it IS numerically superior by a significant nunber (in terms of total stat bonuses provided). That fact alone does not make it more desirable for effective builds (sans some Ele builds), however.

It’s pretty obvious (now) that the Quartz node was another reason to get players to log in daily, not time-gate this equipment for some overwhelming reason.

Yep, I was 21 days in to my crystal collection and now I’ve got over 200 crystals from spending a small share of my PvP glory.
Even more disappointing, I should have checked the price on Celestial recipes before I started, didn’t realise they were so expensive.

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I think we have just proven that anet can not win no matter what they do.

Lonami.2987:

I’ve been doing the daily quartz skill point channeling pretty much daily since Bazaar of the Four Winds.

Now, Charged Quartz Crystal drops like candy from Giant Wintersday Gifts. Yeah. Thanks a lot for making all my effort and money be worth zero.

Is there any reason for this? Why weren’t we warned about it days ago?

I’ve invested a lot of money and time, specially before the krait obelisk, and now all my efforts feel just stupid and useless.

Edit: Discussion on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1sn0ib/charged_quartz_crystal_disappointment/

I agree with the original poster. In my opinion those who are disagreeing either didn’t put the effort in or are just the typical Anet Fanboys. I also spend much time and effort to have it thrown back in my face. If they want to give a missed ability to other players I am fine with this only if the effort required is the same. To just give these away so easily is insulting. …And getting hurt is irrelevant! It is about fairness. if they game isn’t fair it isn’t balanced! I don’t appreciate Anet devaluing my time. I could have spend my time with any other game or Job for that matter. Since it seems Anet doesn’t care…maybe I should do just that. Don’t make something a pain in the kitten if you are gonna make it easy afterwards unless your gonna compensate!

Cinnamon Goddess.3869:

Lonami.2987:

I’ve been doing the daily quartz skill point channeling pretty much daily since Bazaar of the Four Winds.

Now, Charged Quartz Crystal drops like candy from Giant Wintersday Gifts. Yeah. Thanks a lot for making all my effort and money be worth zero.

Is there any reason for this? Why weren’t we warned about it days ago?

I’ve invested a lot of money and time, specially before the krait obelisk, and now all my efforts feel just stupid and useless.

Edit: Discussion on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1sn0ib/charged_quartz_crystal_disappointment/

I agree with the original poster. In my opinion those who are disagreeing either didn’t put the effort in or are just the typical Anet Fanboys. I also spend much time and effort to have it thrown back in my face. If they want to give a missed ability to other players I am fine with this only if the effort required is the same. To just give these away so easily is insulting. …And getting hurt is irrelevant! It is about fairness. if they game isn’t fair it isn’t balanced! I don’t appreciate Anet devaluing my time. I could have spend my time with any other game or Job for that matter. Since it seems Anet doesn’t care…maybe I should do just that. Don’t make something a pain in the kitten if you are gonna make it easy afterwards unless your gonna compensate!

LOL. Maybe you should talk to all the people who spent an actual decent amount of time leveling fractals only to have to start over again. What did you spend, like 20 seconds a day charging quartz?

This change isn’t helping anyone except the people who actually want to make celestial gear. All the rest of us who will be load with quartz can’t sell it anyway. Be happy you can get your gear faster now.

cranked.3812:

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I think we have just proven that anet can not win no matter what they do.

Or maybe, just maybe a clear heads up that they were going to address the issue in conjunction with ascended armor so people neither needed to farm for months or drop serious gold to get quartz off the market (because they saw no solution coming).

Quite literally those of us outspoken were told by people here to wait for the Bazaar to return or, more colorfully, that it was our fault we didn’t prepare for this obvious pinch we’ve all seen coming since the beginning. Pfft.

No, it’s not that Anet can’t win, it’s the righteous anti-critics always bashing any criticism as poor qq. The reality is there was no reason for quartz to be supply-choked once the Bazaar lifted. If anyone saw this problem coming, it was Anet and they did not communicate their intentions to alleviate the problem.

I’d no immediate need for Celestial (and have since been talked out of it by a very good ele), and I’m cheap so I didn’t hit the market up for ~85s per charged quartz, as some claimed was a perfectly viable way for us complainers to get what we needed. They should have offered their own gold if it was so affordable.

Anyway I feel for those that spent a lot of time/money trying to get their mats and now find it was totally unnecessary/wasteful. What was missing was messaging to the community, something many of us are all too used to by now.

I also felt dissapointed in these charged quartz raining freely from the Gifts.

I don’t argue against all the problem with timegating and people starting to play after Zephyr’s being left out etc. I agree there are several issue needing to be adressed.

But I have had a toon dedicated to farm quartz and make these charged thingys for quite a while now. I felt happy I now had enough to make the sets I planned. Now, after getting 5 times the amount in just one evening of giftwrapping – I suddenly feel fooled. I should have parked that toon at a ori node or something instead. Now the months making charged crystal feels just wasted… :-(

And just to be clear. I still Think GW2 is a great game. Just not perfect in every detail.

Here is my take on it:
1) some people bought it up – hoping to make a profit on BLTP knowing bazaar is probably not going to occur at Christmas. (hoped to make money before ascended armour released – they probably made money on celestial weapons and sunk deep into market). These people will be really feeling a bit narked on this material speculation.
2) Farmed the home node (made it slowly and patiently) or helped there friends farm there home node – 0 cost (free mats)
3) Impatient bought off excessive amounts from TP to have celestial ascended armour first comes out (when only 25/day can be converted into charged)
5) People calculated it would take N days (Months) without a major influx of charged quartz to make ascended celestial armour – and were being patient
6) Know that Baazar or supply would increase again at some point in the future (unknown when)
7) Surprised that Charge Quartz is dropping at XMAS.

Personally I fit into category:
2,5,6,7.

I had already used all my charged quartz/quartz making exotic celestial weapons a month ago like most other players – which caused the price to go up.

The price had risen to an astronomical value (IMO) – it looks like several people may have got burnt or were impatient.

I am happy that the supply increased and I don’t have to wait another 3 months (or less) for the Baazar to come around before these mats (might) drop again.

I don’t expect that I will get lots of wintersay bags with charged quartz in them and I will need to continue to convert these over time. The slight increase is really going to help speed up my crafting of celestial gear when I’m ready for it. I fully expect that I might get some charged quartz/quartz again when the Baazar returns in the near future.

Why- am I like this?
I have found this game rewards patience – if something looks at way too a high price
(C Quartz – which hit ~85 silver).

I wait!

My motto on this one:
“Patience is a virtue and being patient will never hurt you”.

I also farm my T1 – T6 materials (A little bit each day of anything that I am running short or low on).

Wow, good job QQ’ing and getting them removed, you guys should have been happy that they were easier to obtain. That would have benefited not only the people that hadn’t been religiously charging them, but YOU as well. Why would ANYONE prefer for something to be time-gated over not?

People that played the first 8 months or so didn’t have the benefit of the wallet, does that mean we should all go back to having to manage a million tokens as well as gold and karma for every character?

Golf clap.

Ok the quartz drop “fix” in this patch maybe should have came with a head’s-up to the community.

I just spent 30 days worth of charged quartz to help level crafting because I expected to get more via the gift boxes. And now it’s reverted so I’m screwed back to time-gated acquisition.

It’s just a game, but I feel a bit jerked around… sigh…

I am happy they fixed it also- didn’t know it was a bug (I don’t think I received that many- 1 or 2 possibly).
Back to charging quartz daily – works for me.

Slower but hey – I’m sure the Bazaar will re-appear at some point in the future and I’ll have some more (charged) ones drop.

You happy now? It was alllllll a lie. It was a bug.

“The only good bug, is a DEAD bug” -some guy in a Starship troopers Commercial

Now start selling your quartz again :P

you can get still get from the giant gifts. Its just way more rare (having opened 1000 gifts, I received more of the grenth back piece recipes than charged quartz) but it’s still technically there.

well took 1 month to get my charged…then another month to stock those for the ascended armor >.>….

But to tell the truth i didn t mind them dropping from presents.

P.S. on another side and thinking about it….i remember the flamekissed armor incident….

And seeing how nice the community was back then i d like a similar solution to people getting easy charged quartz that required me 2 months to craft

850 big gifts= 150 quartz crystals.

Finger in the face to us!

spending a month to make 6 celestial is really waste my time

Vissarion.6509:

850 big gifts= 150 quartz crystals.

Finger in the face to us!

I still don’t get how this is anyone flipping you off.

You GOT your quartz early and could have used it for Exotics or whatever (way ahead on forging Charged Crystals). Now if you were speculating on raw Quartz going up on the TP, I guess I could understand being POed bout this situation, but to be so upset that an alternate method to obtain a hard to come by material is ADDED to the game (nobody took away your Quartz node) is just baffling to me.

spending a month to make 6 celestial is really waste my time

How long have you been using the Celestial items (that you would now have to wait to get charged crystals to craft….starting a few days ago)?

This entire train of thought is just so twisted to me (and I have crafted at least half a dozen Celestial items….and been using them for months).

In case anyone is following this thread and didn’t realize: it was a bug. Quartz Crystal was supposed to be what dropped, not Charged. They fixed it. Some lucky people got lots of extra Charged now. /jealous

I don’t buy that it was a bug, when the patch notes were first released there was no mention of the charged quartz drop “fix”. They added that line in later after the discussions started happening in these threads. Trust me, I immediately went into the patch notes looking the moment I got my first green quartz crystal from a giant gift.

They were available as drops for over 48 hours, had it really been a bug it would’ve been fixed much sooner, they take the in game economy and controlling progression speed very seriously. This is the same company that temp-banned thousands of accounts for taking advantage of a mistake on mispriced karma gear. They also dropped at a rate of 7-10%, this would have been caught very easily in beta testing prior to the release of the Wintersday patch, every one of these living story type content releases gets beta tested prior to release.

The fact that other ascended mats such as dragonite and empyreal stars drop from giant gifts is evidence enough that it was likely intentional and for whatever reason they simply changed their minds. Probably due to all the peeing and moaning of these people that want the game to be as much work for everyone else as it was for them.

It’s much easier to write it off as a bug, which stops them from having to explain their decisions. It’s in their best interest to not have their playerbase see them as fickle and not fully knowing what they want.

i just got 6 normal crytals + 1 charged from 40 giant boxes
i dont know how they ‘fix’ things, but you probably can get charged ones from the wintersday boxes

greetings

Makes you wonder, what’s the point of doing Living World content when the rewards become worthless, very lame Anet, very lame!

cranked.3812:

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I’m pretty sure the people that QQ-ed about charged in presents were the same people that cleared the market of normal quartz just before the event and expected to be able to sell it at seriously overpriced value.

Astralporing, pretty much what I was thinking. Maybe not all, but its certain those who speculated on quartz are very unhappy.

I was pretty happy that Quartz tanked. I sold all mine two weeks ago for 3s70c a piece. Yesterday I rebought my entire stock for 1s20c. Now I have all my Quartz AND 2s50c per Quartz in profit.

Looks like there will be a lot of winners who made their money in advance, stuffed their coffers with charged quartz while they could and/or are now going to keep making money if they made an investment.

Meanwhile the average player in need of quartz, especially those who have no personal node, are back out in the cold.

Can someone explain, with substance, why the celestial configuration needs to be such a clustercluck? This resource is absolute nonsense. Just put some nodes in places around the world and inject some lore. There’s already a time gate on refining; Let people actually create their own celestial gear with regularity. It’s not like quartz, alone, is all it takes to make the items, they’re costly just like everything else is.

Meanwhile the average player in need of quartz, especially those who have no personal node, are back out in the cold.

Hmm? The price of Quartz has dropped significantly, and you can still get Charged Quartz from the gift-boxes (albeit a much lower chance). How does that not benefit you?

Astralporing.1957:

cranked.3812:

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I’m pretty sure the people that QQ-ed about charged in presents were the same people that cleared the market of normal quartz just before the event and expected to be able to sell it at seriously overpriced value.

Please tell me someone didn’t lose money speculating on the TP. That would just be a god awful shame. I mean we can’t have people who are raking in gold hand over fist from not even playing the game to lose some of it back on a bad speculation.

And just so you know, many of the people who were complaining were the ones that spent their in game time charging quartz and are unhappy that the rest of the population doesn’t have to suffer they way they feel they did. Sounds like a great attitude to have toward your fellow gamers. (Not implying you were one of those people)

cranked.3812:

Astralporing.1957:

cranked.3812:

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I’m pretty sure the people that QQ-ed about charged in presents were the same people that cleared the market of normal quartz just before the event and expected to be able to sell it at seriously overpriced value.

Please tell me someone didn’t lose money speculating on the TP. That would just be a god awful shame. I mean we can’t have people who are raking in gold hand over fist from not even playing the game to lose some of it back on a bad speculation.

And just so you know, many of the people who were complaining were the ones that spent their in game time charging quartz and are unhappy that the rest of the population doesn’t have to suffer they way they feel they did. Sounds like a great attitude to have toward your fellow gamers. (Not implying you were one of those people)

Not sure what you seem to be arguing against – from your aggressive tone i assume it’s me, but from what you are saying it seems you actually agreed with me.

Maybe I was if I misunderstood your post??

What I am saying is the people QQing loudest are the people who had to spend their time in game for the last 3 months charging quartz every day. Now they are mad because other players don’t have to “suffer” the way they feel they have by spending 20 seconds a day to charge. To me, that is ridiculous and petty especially considering the fact that they cried anet should make charged quartz easier to get, anet did so (albeit on accident) and then they still QQ.

I have heard a few complaints about the market of quartz crashing and the people who invested lost money. To them I say too bad. You win some you lose some. In the long run it would have been better for everyone if it was easier for players to get charged quartz as it should. But alas, it doesn’t matter because they patched it. Just glad I got about 60 crystals before the patch in case for some strange reason I ever need some.

cranked.3812:

Astralporing.1957:

cranked.3812:

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I’m pretty sure the people that QQ-ed about charged in presents were the same people that cleared the market of normal quartz just before the event and expected to be able to sell it at seriously overpriced value.

Please tell me someone didn’t lose money speculating on the TP. That would just be a god awful shame. I mean we can’t have people who are raking in gold hand over fist from not even playing the game to lose some of it back on a bad speculation.

The Trading Post is an integral part of the game economy and the game itself.

Playing the TP is just playing the game the way I want.

Wanze.8410:

cranked.3812:

Astralporing.1957:

cranked.3812:

I don’t get it.

First everyone comes on here QQing about time gating celestial gear. Then anet gives everyone as much free charged quartz as you may ever need and we still have QQing about charged quartz.

I’m pretty sure the people that QQ-ed about charged in presents were the same people that cleared the market of normal quartz just before the event and expected to be able to sell it at seriously overpriced value.

Please tell me someone didn’t lose money speculating on the TP. That would just be a god awful shame. I mean we can’t have people who are raking in gold hand over fist from not even playing the game to lose some of it back on a bad speculation.

The Trading Post is an integral part of the game economy and the game itself.

Playing the TP is just playing the game the way I want.

I should have clarified my post better because I didn’t want to start some argument about the TP. I play the TP myself, of course not nearly as much as some of you guys. No one ever argued that having the TP was a bad thing. Players doing nothing other than playing the TP to make gold is not playing the game. The game is a MMO game, not a stock trading simulator. Even though, as I said, I do play the TP, I think it’s ridiculous that it is so much easier to accumulate wealth than actually going out and exploring the world the way the game was meant to be played.