Guild Wars 2

It’s no longer
“Luke I’m your father!”
“Cool, daddy, gimme creds!”
but
“Cool, daddy, gimme a bolt of linen.”
Seriously, ANet, I hate farming, you hate farming, you made farming hard for us. OK. But please, give us some challenging yet fun way how to get the materials we need.
Or made the loot level corresponding to the area level, not player level. So I can farm and salvage stuff in low level areas.
Or make lvl 80 mobs, bosses, mat bags, whatever, drop the most expensive mats per actual trade price.
And, FYI, linen is not made of Flame legion bodies, but from this plant (a HINT – can be for sure harvested by a sickle):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flax

I thought linen was just fine-weave cotton?
nope, wiki says you’re right.
wonder what I was thinking of…

You can be the finest Zommoros blessed cotton weaver around, but you can’t trick the market – or at least not for long. AND you need the cotton for damasc, too.

GW2 should stop making higher tier armor, exotics were fine and required a lot of farming anyway. I’m never going to bother with ascended gear (other than some back pieces because I want a quiver on my warrior/ranger) because 1: it takes exponentially more materials than exotics (which required exponentially more than the regular) and 2: it all looks terrible to me.

Sad thing is GW2 has turned into a the worst grindfest of any MMO I’ve played and it didn’t take long at all for that to happen.

Just release new skins for the old armor qualities that don’t cost gems (usually real money) to get and don’t require a full time job on the game. I remember GW1 used to remind you to take a break every three hours and told you every hour you’d been playing for (partly to get people away from their computers). GW2 decided it’d ignore that good idea.

Kentaine.4692:

GW2 should stop making higher tier armor, exotics were fine and required a lot of farming anyway. I’m never going to bother with ascended gear (other than some back pieces because I want a quiver on my warrior/ranger) because 1: it takes exponentially more materials than exotics (which required exponentially more than the regular) and 2: it all looks terrible to me.

Sad thing is GW2 has turned into a the worst grindfest of any MMO I’ve played and it didn’t take long at all for that to happen.

Just release new skins for the old armor qualities that don’t cost gems (usually real money) to get and don’t require a full time job on the game. I remember GW1 used to remind you to take a break every three hours and told you every hour you’d been playing for (partly to get people away from their computers). GW2 decided it’d ignore that good idea.

Is the GW2 the only MMO you ever played then?

I played Diablo 2 and Diablo 3.
GW2 is NOT a grindfest. grinding would be: defeat shadow behemoth 10 times a day because Final Rest has the potential to have the highest stats of any staff in the game, and every time you get one you get random stats, and you’re hoping for rolling (a) the exact 3 stats you want and (b) max on all 3.

I’ve played worse grindfests than GW2. That said, it has become more grindy than it started out.

/played WoW grinding reputation for a snow cat mount (that was before “the tardening”)
//Built a guild city in AOC…okay “assisted” in building a guild city in AOC. No human could grind that much singlehandedly.
///slashies are teh cool? right?

It has some grind but nothing near what things used to be like. I can’t even imagine how all the insta grat people would react to camping one spot for 12 hours to try and get an item. Racing to a boss on server restart only to have another 50 person guild beat you there. Whole guilds wiping and working and hour to get their gear back because it was on their body where they died and bodies would rot.

Arnon.1563:

I can’t even imagine how all the insta grat people would react to camping one spot for 12 hours to try and get an item. Racing to a boss on server restart only to have another 50 person guild beat you there. Whole guilds wiping and working and hour to get their gear back because it was on their body where they died and bodies would rot.

There is a reason why people don’t want to play those games anymore.

Batdogi.7142:

I’ve played worse grindfests than GW2. That said, it has become more grindy than it started out.

/played WoW grinding reputation for a snow cat mount (that was before “the tardening”)
//Built a guild city in AOC…okay “assisted” in building a guild city in AOC. No human could grind that much singlehandedly.
///slashies are teh cool? right?

You could build CITIES??? Like, Guild Housing, only on a larger scale?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Batdogi.7142:

I’ve played worse grindfests than GW2. That said, it has become more grindy than it started out.

/played WoW grinding reputation for a snow cat mount (that was before “the tardening”)
//Built a guild city in AOC…okay “assisted” in building a guild city in AOC. No human could grind that much singlehandedly.
///slashies are teh cool? right?

You could build CITIES??? Like, Guild Housing, only on a larger scale?

yes

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Batdogi.7142:

I’ve played worse grindfests than GW2. That said, it has become more grindy than it started out.

/played WoW grinding reputation for a snow cat mount (that was before “the tardening”)
//Built a guild city in AOC…okay “assisted” in building a guild city in AOC. No human could grind that much singlehandedly.
///slashies are teh cool? right?

You could build CITIES??? Like, Guild Housing, only on a larger scale?

Yep and the building inside determined what you crafted and to what level of quality. Also came into play in sieges, which were large scale battles between guilds…though when I was still playing there were lots of bugs. Not sure if that got fixed or not.

Kentaine.4692:

I’m never going to bother with ascended gear

You can bet that infusion slot stat grind is coming next (I’m betting they’ll periodically release higher and higher stat infusions) … and only Ascended gear has infusion slots.

Grindy game is grindy.

People don’t complain about games without any time consuming gear progression because they’ve quit and moved on to the next game.

If people aren’t complaining about the amount of work it takes to acquire top tier gear you’ve made it too easy.

it is not like u need ascended gear it is only a lil better than exotic . i know people with like a full set ascended gear and they r mad because that don’t notice much a difference in the gear and that put all that work in to it ….if u want to be a perfectionist go for full ascended but u don’t really need it … but i think some items r a lil to tough to get and they should have better ways of getting them so i don’t need to spend sooooooo much time grinding …. like linen is a pain to get and i eather need to grind for lots of gold to buy it off the black lion … but if i want to go out and find it and save my money it is next to impossible … CHARGED LOADSTONES need a few more drop spots or something …………. lol linen and cotton should be gathered the same way as the cooking goods but have there own plant … some of the things we r forced to grind for in a system that is made to make it hard to grind and is a lil bit ridiculous …. don’t get me wrong most of the items r fine and u can go find a nice amount in reasonable time ….. some of these r insane though and a total pain to grind …… wish there was a chance for loadstones and stuff to drop from wvw bags

Alright guys we all experienced heavy grinds and ofc worse than these. But this is not the point.

The point is that GW2 obviously aims to remove the grind.
We have rich veins guarded by vets and jumping puzzles. And I like it. You want the real treasure in the game, show some effort. It is somehow challenging and not that boring like farming mobs ad vomitum and hoping for the next medium ritualist bag drop.

So if we can have rich metal veins with veterans sitting on top of them at the end of a jumping puzzle, lets have some weaver veterans, elites or champs dropping something more interesting than the green stuff you salvage for mithril or elder logs, without even looking what it was…

If u think that GW2 is a grindy game well…u haven’t even tried Lineage2 :P

The whole point is, this wasn’t supposed to be a grindy game at all. Yeah, we’ve all played them. It’s not hard to quote any grindy game out there.

We were sold on, “Anet doesn’t make grindy games…”.

Yes they do.

but well, is partially grindy tbh
ascended armor atm are just doesn’t worth the cost/benefit compared to exotic.
the cost for 400-500 + recipe only already put them out of business, unless u need them cuz u want to farm fractal over 50 level.

- spvp isn’t affected
– dungeons aren’t affected at all, u gain what? maybe 10 sec clear time of a path
– wvw is almost like the same; is just skill dependant when it comes to a difference so little of bonus

the problem is just ppl that want to make them asap, don’t even thinking about their cost and what will happens when with next patch (or the next further) they could have to change spec and equip in use (another reason why ascended armor are not worthy in cost/benefit).
then, everyone’s choice

My masterwork champ box from CM game me better loot than the 7 exotic ones put together. All because it contained 10 Linen.

Yep. Broken.

Hopefully a decent place to farm this will be found soon, and bots will appear in force to regulate the price to a more reasonable standard.

Easlay.3297:

but well, is partially grindy tbh
ascended armor atm are just doesn’t worth the cost/benefit compared to exotic.

So a statistical upgrade isn’t worth money, but LA is full of people sinking 100g into a T3 – cosmetic – item, legendaries costing >1000g, and mystic forge weapons costing ~500g, all of which enhance your character in no way.

Okay.

are 2 different things.
ppl go for cosmetics cuz are the only way to make your character unique and different from other ppl (with mix of armor, weapon skins and colors), but i don’t see many crying cuz legendary is too expensive (the problem here is another, the way to obtain it that isn’t legendary, but is another matter), or that cultural is expensive, and so on…are anyway something they wanna do as OPTIONAL.

the same are the ascended armor, at least for the upgrade they provide…for such small bonus are like a cosmetic tbh, an optional that isn’t needed at all.
if instead ascended armor they would have added a 7th armor slot, with 11 primary stats, +5 second and +1% third, would u have spent almost 150-200 golds for unlock it, and 100 for craft such bonus (and 100g everytime u want to change it)? i think everyone would say “hell no”.
even if u consider the bonus from infusion slots, still too expensive for what provides, in u check ingame real impact.

Easlay.3297:

are 2 different things.
ppl go for cosmetics cuz are the only way to make your character unique and different from other ppl (with mix of armor, weapon skins and colors), but i don’t see many crying cuz legendary is too expensive (the problem here is another, the way to obtain it that isn’t legendary, but is another matter), or that cultural is expensive, and so on…are anyway something they wanna do as OPTIONAL.

the same are the ascended armor, at least for the upgrade they provide…for such small bonus are like a cosmetic tbh, an optional that isn’t needed at all.
if instead ascended armor they would have added a 7th armor slot, with 11 primary stats, +5 second and +1% third, would u have spent almost 150-200 golds for unlock it, and 100 for craft such bonus (and 100g everytime u want to change it)? i think everyone would say “hell no”.
even if u consider the bonus from infusion slots, still too expensive for what provides, in u check ingame real impact.

And it’s still an objective upgrade, whereas the others are side grades. There is no way it can NOT be worth it, even more so if you are one of the players who will buy an item just for it’s looks.

Flissy.4093:

My masterwork champ box from CM game me better loot than the 7 exotic ones put together. All because it contained 10 Linen.

Yep. Broken.

Hopefully a decent place to farm this will be found soon, and bots will appear in force to regulate the price to a more reasonable standard.

You can get linen out of CM? According to the wiki, linen is a level 46 – 60 material, but CM is a level 35 dungeon.

Lord Kuru.3685:

You can get linen out of CM? According to the wiki, linen is a level 46 – 60 material, but CM is a level 35 dungeon.

AC is 35, CM is 40.

Easlay.3297:

If u think that GW2 is a grindy game well…u haven’t even tried Lineage2 :P

I do not think GW2 is a grindy game; I never said GW2 was a grindy game; and you obviously do not bother reading – or are not able to understand – what is this thread all about. So please, read again.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

We were sold on, “Anet doesn’t make grindy games…”.

Yes they do.

Well they try not to. And this thread aims to help them to improve.

Basically: if you need some crafting material en masse, you should know where to go and get it for yourself. And I do not mean tp which, at least concerning the tailoring stuff, is the only RELIABLE source of materials.

If you want metals, you go and dig rich veins. You bash few heads, jump a little and you are rewarded with a nice heap of ore. That is how I like it.

If you want wood, well you go for a stride. This is more grindy than I like, I would like to see it improved in the metal gathering style, but still this is something I can survive. However, if there can be patches of onions with a veteran ogre sitting in the middle, we can have a small snow cherry grove with the same ogre as well.

But if I want tailoring or leatherworking stuff? Thats where the problem is. And this needs improvement.

So people please instead of discussing who experienced the worst grind ever and where, and whether ANet is good or evil, come with some ideas and say how would you like it.

Fext.3614:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

We were sold on, “Anet doesn’t make grindy games…”.

Yes they do.

Well they try not to.

You’re kidding, right?

Fext.3614:

So people please instead of discussing who experienced the worst grind ever and where, and whether ANet is good or evil, come with some ideas and say how would you like it.

Up until a few days ago there was a reliable open world linen farm. Anet nerfed it into the ground, because …. who knows why.

This next to impossible materials grind is obviously “working as intended” and Anet doesn’t want our ideas.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

This next to impossible materials grind is obviously “working as intended” and Anet obviously doesn’t want our ideas.

But why would they want it like that?
The default response is usualy " so you go and buy gems" but no you do not really need to buy gems – you only need to go grind some dungeons for at least 1g per explorable run.

Fext.3614:

The default response is usualy " so you go and buy gems" but no you do not really need to buy gems – you only need to go grind some dungeons for at least 1g per explorable run.

Do I really have to remind you (again) that this game was sold on the promise of “Anet doesn’t make grindy games…”?

Easlay.3297:

If u think that GW2 is a grindy game well…u haven’t even tried Lineage2 :P

Oh yeah .. and of course the release version where you grinded 5 hours the same mobs in a circle to have 1-2% more exp .. and that at level 40 while 70 was max .. and level got slower and slower each level.

And of course you also had to farm lower level mobs that gave less exp because else you never had enough money to upgrade your gear.

Linen doesn’t frustrate me at all, I get tons doing map completion in Fireheart Rise. I give linen away because I have more than I’ll ever use.

yeah Linen is not a problem , you only need 40 scraps a day for a bolt of damask..
you can get that in 10-30min in Iron marches killing flame legion.

Silk scraps is the problem.. you need 300/day … or 5-7g

Ralron.8124:

yeah Linen is not a problem , you only need 40 scraps a day for a bolt of damask..
you can get that in 10-30min in Iron marches killing flame legion.

Silk scraps is the problem.. you need 300/day … or 5-7g

If you’re getting it in Iron Marches the way it sounds like you’re getting it, you should be careful, it’s considered an exploit and people were banned for doing it.

what running events? lol

iron marches has a 5-6 chain event ,, doing that alone will get you what you need, Garment + bags .

Lord Kuru.3685:

Flissy.4093:

My masterwork champ box from CM game me better loot than the 7 exotic ones put together. All because it contained 10 Linen.

Yep. Broken.

Hopefully a decent place to farm this will be found soon, and bots will appear in force to regulate the price to a more reasonable standard.

You can get linen out of CM? According to the wiki, linen is a level 46 – 60 material, but CM is a level 35 dungeon.

For champ bags that doesn’t matter. The tier of the crafting materials depends on the rarity of the box.