Guild Wars 2

Hoping one of the developers will provide some feedback here…

On the wiki, we’ve documented quite a few MF recipes for exotic weapons on the mystic forge/other items page. However, there has been a good deal of debate about whether or not weapons that exist in the game can only obtained by randomly flushing 4x weapons down the forge and hoping, or if there are unknown recipes that result in a guaranteed result similar to existing known recipes on the other items page. A particular pain point is that while there seem to be numerous known recipes for some weapon types (I’m looking at you focus!), there are other weapons that re not represented at all, such as rifles, harpoon guns, maces, and there are plenty of under-represented weapon types.

So, why the insane number of focus items, but little to nothing for other weapons? As a community, have we just not discovered these recipes? Or do they really not exist? I’m not asking for a dev to provide a list of what we’re missing, more to comment on the situation and give something like ‘you guys have only found 40%’ or ‘recipes exist for all weapon types, you just need to dig deeper’. Such a response would renew interest in mystic forge research and would, in the long term, help the economy as new sinks are identified for undervalued items.

Thanks for taking the time to read this

The game has been datamined since release – if there were extra, unknown recipes for rifles, we would have known by now.

^ Unfortunately, this is true. If they existed, we would at least know of their existance though we might not know the recipe.

You both missed the point of my post. Yes, we know all the various weapon names and models and what not, but we don’t know if say, something like the fixer, has a MF recipe that isn’t flush 4 maces down the mystic toilet. We don’t know this for sure about quite a few weapons, as some weapons were already on the TP (example: Kryta’s Salvation) prior to public revealing of the recipe. It’s possible some MF recipe items can also be obtained by flushing 4 rares/exotics down the MF as well as having a unique recipe.

That’s what my question was, of the recipes we have identified on the other items page, how many more are we still missing? Not “are their weapons we don’t know about”, but “are there ways to MAKE weapons (that we already know about) that we don’t know about”

Are you referring to another method of acquiring exotic weapons through the MF that’s not random?

‘It’s possible some MF recipe items can also be obtained by flushing 4 rares/exotics down the MF as well as having a unique recipe.’
It’s not possible. Any exotic weapon that has a recipe cannot be obtained by the 4 rare/exotic system or dropped in game.

There are no rifles craftable in the MF. (besides Mystic Rifle)

There exotic items that are missing crafting recipes such as:
Wings of Dwayna, Feathers of Dwayna, Ether….

We DO know these mystery recipies don’t exist, because you’d be able to seek them out by testing valid and invalid combinations of items. Same as the wiki had “we know this makes something, just not what” entries for a long time – because you can see when recpies start to come together from items you have.

And where’s your proof of that? Have you personally tried every combination of item to see if it combines with every other combination of item? There are utterly ridiculous recipes that have been identified, and there’s no certainty that we’ve found all valid MF recipes. This is especially true if one considers recipes that involve gift of X. Hence why I’m asking here, if a developer comes around and says “nope, you’ve got them all/got most of them” then the conversation ends. If a dev comes by and says anything to the contrary, then things get interesting again with the mystic forge.

Finally, where did you get “It’s not possible. Any exotic weapon that has a recipe cannot be obtained by the 4 rare/exotic system or dropped in game.” from? Please reference proof for this statement, since I recall there being quite a few exotics on the list on the wiki being found by players using the karma exploit early in the game to throw tons of weapons into the MF -.-

You don’t have to – they blank out when there’s nothing to mix. It works like the recipie hunt in crafting. Further – the Mystic Forge itself filters out a MASSIVE percentage of game items as having no mixes associated with them. While it’s possible that no one has ever clicked a Gift of Light while having garlic bread or a wolf’s blessing in their bag, its a bit unlikely that the wings of dwayna are made with garlic bread.

There may be desrable random results from flushing 4 rares, but no one’s reporting repeatable combinations to generate a specific interesting exotic.

But feel free to carry out thar research yourself. No reason for a Dev to ever come by and dash your hopes for you .

As to your earlier question “why so many focuses” most of the assets used to create Mystic Forge goodies are re-using things found elsewhere in the game. The Mystic Weapons are nothing more than a hue-swap of the Cruicible Weapons. The Guardian spirit weapon utility skills are re-used as skins. The focuses show up here and there across all Tyria in the hands of NPCs or plain old physical props uses in map creation. …Even my personal holy grail the sword Infinite Light is just re-used assets from every melee harpy in the game. There just aren’t that many rifle weilding NPCs, so there isn’t a huge stockpile of rifle looks to populate the MF.

Thanks Nike, your mastery of the forge and intimate knowledge of the game must be unrivaled. You still dont get it. Yes, i know all those things, I’m just looking for confirmation on whether or not we’ve found everything or if those tired old talking points you and others continue to lazily blather on about are complete rubbish. If we’ve found them all, that’s great, good for everyone to know. If we haven’t, if we aren’t even close, then that, IMHO, is even better.

Besides, are you going to tell me you have enough inventory space to have at least 1 of each item that can be placed in the mystic forge in your inventory at the same time? Including all gifts of X? Including other weapons made at the forge? Because if you don’t, and don’t have all that stuff, you can’t be sure there aren’t additional recipes. If you don’t agree, go look at some of the odd items that have been used to make weapons, including needing MF’d weapons.

Wow.

So, unless someone comes on here and says they agree with you and there are tons of unknown recipes you are just going to be a little ‘hostile’ when people answer your question?

You have the answer to your question, from multiple people in the community. Take it or leave it.

Hostile? I would say the tone has changed since first post, but not hostile. Then again, some agitation should be expected when a question is asked and the naysayers continually say “you are wrong because we know you are” without references as to why you know I’m wrong. Also never said anyone had to agree with me, but it seems you didn’t come for discourse, you came to tell me I’m wrong and to stop looking into this. In fact, if you read my last post, you would see "I’m just looking for confirmation on whether or not we’ve found everything ".

The whole reason I’m asking here, looking for dev input, is that there are a number of folk in the community who, based on various assumptions, have decreed that there are no additional MF recipes to be discovered. I also never said that there were items we didn’t know about, merely we didn’t necessarily know all ways to obtain them. As the responses I’ve gotten indicate, clearly that was lost on those that replied to this thread.

Since I am continually told that this has been answered by “multiple people in the community” could you please link to those answers and their reasoning as to why they are correct on this? Perhaps a link to developer comments on the discussion in this thread? I came to ask a question, apparently your purpose in this thread is to claim knowledge and provide no substance, just claims based on limited data, and to accuse me of hostilities.

The only ones who can offer you the confirmation you are looking for are Devs. And good luck to you, but I really don’t think they are going to respond to that because history tells us that is unlikely.

I wish there were items that we still haven’t found. There are the MF craftable Lyss and Ilya pistols. Both are so-so really. It would be awesome if they were somehow combined into a ‘Lyssa’ pistol, but alas data mining has shown this object does not exist.

Sadly, rifles and pistols in particular are very poorly represented with MF recipes and skins in general.

Your initial question seemed to be asking if other weapon skins existed that we have not discovered. Unfortunately, thanks to data mining, there are no additional skins that have not been discovered. We would know of their existance even if we didn’t know how to obtain it. Take the Final Rest for example. Not a MF item, but we know of it’s existance but do not know where to acquire it.

There MAY however be particular recipes for certain items that have yet to be discovered. But unfortunately, certain classes of items like rifles remain vastly underrepresented.

I apologize if the original question didn’t properly convey what I was trying to ask

“There MAY however be particular recipes for certain items that have yet to be discovered. "

This is pretty much my question, and

“The only ones who can offer you the confirmation you are looking for are Devs. And good luck to you, but I really don’t think they are going to respond to that because history tells us that is unlikely.”

That’s why I asked it here, in the hope that I might get some tidbit of information. Glad we’re on the same page now

The disproportionate amount of some weapon types versus others and the vast amount of items accepted by the forge is what makes me wonder if we haven’t found all the possible recipes yet, even if we know all the possible items in the game. And given the investment some recipes pieces take (gifts, bloodstone shard, etc) many people won’t put effort into investigating it if the belief is that there’s nothing more.

So, if a dev says we’ve found most, then we move on (and maybe wonder why the forge isn’t utilized more, because it’s a really cool feature). If a dev says we have a long way to go, then it might be enough to spark the community into continuing to research recipes.

Thanks for the input