Guild Wars 2

Would love a Dev response for this:D Does Magic Find affect what you get out of the Mystic Forge? Thanks in advance!

Traxous.2304:

Would love a Dev response for this:D Does Magic Find affect what you get out of the Mystic Forge? Thanks in advance!

Good question. Would quite like to know also

I think there’s a lot of people that would like to know. Bump!

I can’t find the thread at the moment, but I’m almost positive Lindsey said it doesn’t.

I would also like to see a definitive yes or no on this. I don’t mind giving them money (gems→boosters) but I do want to know if I’m throwing it away or not.

Anything that got a slight chance of making you earn gold faster = no dev response.

They’ll basically affect their own income by answering any gold related question.
More gold for players = less gems purchases.

That’s not really true, Horheristo.

Players making gold faster only bothers ArenaNet if it’s gold that’s actually being created, and the biggest reason that’s a problem is that it can cause runaway inflation. It’s the gold faucets that ArenaNet keeps tight control over, and has every reason to keep secret – those gold faucets primarily being drops by mobs, whether via direct gold drops or via items that get vendored. That’s why there’s diminishing returns on farming, and ArenaNet gives very little detail about those diminishing returns.

It’s a very different situation if you’re making gold buying things from other players and/or selling things to other players. That’s a situation where, in an overall sense, you’re getting richer while other players are getting poorer, so it really doesn’t hurt gem purchases anyway.

In fact, buying and selling things on the TP destroys gold due to the 15% tax, while the Mystic Forge helps to remove excess items from the economy.

lackofcheese.5617:

That’s not entirely true, Horheristo.

Players making gold faster only bothers ArenaNet if it’s gold that’s actually being created, and the biggest reason that’s a problem is that it can cause runaway inflation. It’s the gold faucets that ArenaNet keeps tight control over, and has every reason to keep secret – those gold faucets being drops by mobs, whether via direct gold drops or via items that get vendored. That’s why there’s diminishing returns on farming, and ArenaNet gives very little detail about those diminishing returns.

It’s a very different situation if you’re making gold buying things from other players and/or selling things to other players. That’s a situation where, in an overall sense, you’re getting richer while other players are getting poorer, so it really doesn’t hurt gem purchases anyway.

In fact, buying and selling things on the TP destroys gold due to the 15% tax.

Giving ingame facts like what MF affects, can have a very large effect on the economy.
Correct me if I’m wrong.

well i just used max magic find and thew in 150+ gold in mystic forge and didnt get a precursor. uploading video, its around 45min long

Horheristo.3607:

Giving ingame facts like what MF affects, can have a very large effect on the economy.
Correct me if I’m wrong.

Yes, ArenaNet giving away information definitely can have an effect on the economy, but it is a very different, and vastly smaller effect, than what you would see from people suddenly being able to farm twice as effectively as before.

As such, it is a very different situation to, for example, the DR code they have implemented for farming. The fact that the Mystic Forge is very different is why, for example, Linsey has come out and specifically said that there is no DR on the Mystic Forge.

It has no effect.

deathTouch.9706:

It has no effect.

Yeah, the evidence I’ve seen so far strongly suggests this, and I think that it should be good enough for most players. If there is an effect, it’s so small that it’s nearly impossible to detect and really doesn’t matter either way.

Now, granted, you could say that it’s possible that it has an effect and so you might as well wear MF gear – this kind of argument is very much like Pascal’s Wager.

Still, with that kind of argument, you’d have to consider the counter-argument that it’s also possible that ArenaNet decided to troll players and actually made MF hurt your chances at the Forge.

@ lackofcheese.5617

Try to think realistically for a moment, even -$1k is still -$1k income for the company in case they revealed any ingame economy affecting information.

As a developer, I’d let the community rot and figure out by themselves the % for anything in the game.
For example, if I’d be asked if the guild mining boost +10% is pure or 10% out of %1 to find an orb from an ori – I’d keep my mouth shut about it.

Horheristo.3607:

Try to think realistically for a moment, even -$1k is still -$1k income for the company in case they revealed any ingame economy affecting information.

I agreed that it would have an effect on the economy, but I didn’t say it was the type of effect that would lose ArenaNet money. Just because something affects the economy doesn’t mean that it loses ArenaNet money; for example, some effects on the economy can cause ArenaNet to make more money, not less.

If ArenaNet announced that Magic Find affects the Mystic Forge, it would have a negligible effect on the total amount of gold in the economy because the Mystic Forge doesn’t create or destroy gold. Every bit of gold that you earn from any combination of trading, crafting, and forging is gold that’s coming from other players, and so it’s not a serious concern for ArenaNet.

That’s why ArenaNet has to keep very quiet about DR on farming; it’s a very different situation to the effect of Magic Find on the Forge. Farming creates gold and items; the Mystic Forge mostly destroys items and has no effect on gold.

Now, ArenaNet may have other reasons to keep quiet about magic find – they may feel that the added secrecy lends an air of mystique that improves the game. The economic impact, on the other hand, is not much of a concern, especially considering that players already know enough information to suggest that Magic Find has pretty much no effect on the Forge. If ArenaNet came out and announced that it has no effect, that announcement really wouldn’t make much of a difference at all.

We’re drifting off topic here so let’s refocus: it’s a simple yes or no question. No one is asking for the detailed mechanics of magic find, and certainly no one is asking for anyone’s pet virtual economic theory. We only wish to know if MF has an effect on the other MF, which as I said is a yes or no question.

It was relevant to the discussion, because Horheristo was saying it would be strongly against ArenaNet’s best interests to reveal that information, and I disagreed.

In any case, the evidence collected by players to date strongly suggests that the Mystic Forge is not affected by Magic Find, and neither is salvaging or the opening of loot bags.

Did we ever get an answer to this?

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http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magic_find
you are welcome, and it was also in a dev post somewhere(where that info from the wiki is based off of) you have to dig for if you want to find it.
Edit: God i love wiki citation links
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Magic-Find-Chests/first#post598159
look for the post by izzy