Guild Wars 2

Surely its a bug that there are no crafting stations or a laurel vendor at Vigils Keep, when we have specifically been told that all services available in LA have been moved to Vigils Keep.

I think what they said is all services exclusive to lions arch would be moved. There’s crafting stations in a couple dozen other places.

Avatharian.9307:

I think what they said is all services exclusive to lions arch would be moved. There’s crafting stations in a couple dozen other places.

Except that it seems awfully convenient that the Airship has a laurel vendor AND crafting…

Not that I care much, since I have a Royal Terrace ticket.

But still…

They are in the Airship. You need to do the LA events to get the pass, or buy it on BLTP. Can you guess why they did that? :P

Avatharian.9307:

I think what they said is all services exclusive to lions arch would be moved. There’s crafting stations in a couple dozen other places.

That would be disingenuous and pretty much amount to lying.

beside Mark Katzbach wrote this: “We have not removed the central hub. All services have been moved to Vigil’s Keep, due to the attack on Lion’s Arch. You can find everything there.”

No mention of essential services.

Yup, it says “find everything there” so it’s expected that everything would be there. And how convenient to put things that was free access on LA before at a reserved and exclusive area now… >.<

there are crafting stations in every home city and every starter zone, and in Ebonhawke. That’s 11 full places you can craft anytime you want. I cannot believe we’re going to start complaining that there isn’t a 12th, overpopulated and lagged option for us to use instead.

The only issue I have with this is that the Guild Commendation vendor is on the airship. I could be wrong but I think its the only one. This forces players to either participate in the event to get a pass from a drop, may be odd but some people might not want to do this live event. If they don’t play the content their only option is to buy the pass from anet if they want to go to this vendor.

I am pretty sure I saw a Guild Commendation Vendor at one of the new camps. I’m not in-game right now, so I can’t verify it at this moment.

jhgund.5906:

The only issue I have with this is that the Guild Commendation vendor is on the airship. I could be wrong but I think its the only one.

Not actually, there is one of it at each city. I remember seeing one at Divinity’s Reach once.

roachsrealm.9284:

That’s 11 full places you can craft anytime you want. I cannot believe we’re going to start complaining that there isn’t a 12th, overpopulated and lagged option for us to use instead.

I think the point isn’t about one more crafting station available only but about not complying with a statement of everything was moved to there. Also, it’s always nice to have a that service you need closer to you instead having to switching maps for that. Also, not all places have all services conveniently near each other as LA had (like TP near a crafting station). The only place I saw like this too is The Grove, but not sure if other maps have too.

I moved all my crafting alts to rata sum.
one of them didn’t have the wp, so I ran to the vigil keep and straight through the gate.

shadow.6174:

Also, not all places have all services conveniently near each other as LA had (like TP near a crafting station). The only place I saw like this too is The Grove, but not sure if other maps have too.

Rata Sum’s actually the most convenient for this, IMO. It’s not laggy at all like LA was, and the bank, TP, and crafting stations are all in one small area. Much faster than running back and forth to the TP in LA.

I don’t particularly care about the crafting stations, though I can see why some would. The laurel vendor/guild commendation vendor really should be there, though, since it’s supposed to be the new hub for everything. Kind of feel like they took advantage of this to implement a cash grab by making certain things very inconvenient for us if we don’t buy passes to the airship.

I was just at the Vigil area, and there is, indeed, a Guild Commendation vendor there. First NPC I saw, in fact.

I still say that this “Attack on Lions Arch” was just them pushing players into their home districts and forcing the population to spread out around the servers so that new players who happen to not know about “Lions Arch Hangout” see alot more active players playing the game then they were.

Sure wish I had a Guild Hall where my guild could all hang out and do our crafting and such… but what am i thinking, its not like we have any actual “Guild Wars” in Guild Wars 2, that was so Guild Wars 1… There is no “Guild Competition” in GW2… hard enough to get into the same instance with your own party members during events…. Imagine if you were wanting to coordinate a “Guild Raid” into any of these 2 weeks long events, noone needs coordination or to play with people they know, better yet people on their own servers…

Instead we have a leader board for fractals that was based on how fast you could get to max level… not that it will ever change until the level cap is rased….

apparently they don’t consider it a bug :P

storiessave.3807:

Rata Sum’s actually the most convenient for this, IMO. It’s not laggy at all like LA was, and the bank, TP, and crafting stations are all in one small area. Much faster than running back and forth to the TP in LA.

I just didn’t know or couldn’t recall about how it is at Rata Sum, I just had seen that at The Grove crafting station and TP are very closer than somewhere else I knew.

storiessave.3807:

Kind of feel like they took advantage of this to implement a cash grab by making certain things very inconvenient for us if we don’t buy passes to the airship.

I really tend to agree to this…

I personally find that having the mystic forge close to the crafting stations is useful. It would have been particularly useful for the new back pieces.

I’m shocked this is such a big issue when there’s crafting all over the world. Every major city has crafting stations. It’s really not difficult to find them.

It’s not about where else crafting stations are available, it’s about destroying the central hub where EVERYTHING was available and most people hung out. Now you have to warp somewhere to craft which is a royal pain.

If that is fixed with the next release or maybe at the end of this story arc, it’s no big deal, but to put permanent airship passes on sale for only a week when we don’t know what’s coming seems a little under handed.

Abellus.2615:

I’m shocked this is such a big issue when there’s crafting all over the world. Every major city has crafting stations. It’s really not difficult to find them.

It’s not about crafting stations specifically. It’s about the fact that now there is not even one place where every service is available.

Astralporing.1957:

It’s not about crafting stations specifically. It’s about the fact that now there is not even one place where every service is available.

Yes there is, it’s 1 click away and returns you to the exact same spot you were in before……just go to your home borderland in WvW.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Astralporing.1957:

It’s not about crafting stations specifically. It’s about the fact that now there is not even one place where every service is available.

Yes there is, it’s 1 click away and returns you to the exact same spot you were in before……just go to your home borderland in WvW.

laurel vendor is different. There are no dungeon vendors. There’s no Fractals entrance… need i go on?

Astralporing.1957:

laurel vendor is different. There are no dungeon vendors. There’s no Fractals entrance… need i go on?

Well if you go into the fractal entrance you’re leaving the area so has no relevance. As for dungeon vendors, do you really use them that often that you need them right beside everythng else because it’s so difficult to click a button.
You’re complaining just for the sake of complaining. Anet did what they said, they moved everything to the Vigil keep that was unique to LA. Is it their fault you’re too lazy to click a button to go somewhere to get something you need.
Why don’t you stop moaning and start being proactive. Now is your chance to decide where they move everything to, they are letting the players choose where the next hub will be so make a case for somewhere that has everything laid out better.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Why don’t you stop moaning and start being proactive.

I am being proactive, by making my displeasure known to devs. By doing that i hope to avoid any more future cases of downgrading QoL for people not using gemshop.
And if they are letting players choose where the next hub will be, that’s the first i have heard about it. As much as i am aware, no such information is on their website or forum.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Astralporing.1957:

laurel vendor is different. There are no dungeon vendors. There’s no Fractals entrance… need i go on?

Well if you go into the fractal entrance you’re leaving the area so has no relevance. As for dungeon vendors, do you really use them that often that you need them right beside everythng else because it’s so difficult to click a button.
You’re complaining just for the sake of complaining. Anet did what they said, they moved everything to the Vigil keep that was unique to LA. Is it their fault you’re too lazy to click a button to go somewhere to get something you need.
Why don’t you stop moaning and start being proactive. Now is your chance to decide where they move everything to, they are letting the players choose where the next hub will be so make a case for somewhere that has everything laid out better.

That’s all nice and fluffy but what is their reason for not doing something as simple as putting a couple of objects (crafting stations) and relevant npc’s in vigil keep, a task so basic even their interns could do it?-could it be that it has something to do with the incredibly convenient airship floating above the keep?The issue here is that before la was broke it was the only place with every service there is (i’m not counting wvw since that’s not what it should be used for-taking spots from actual wvw’s to craft is not acceptable) and now the only places that have that are accessible by the gem store!!!
Tell me that doesn’t sound like a kitten move.

Windwalker.2047:

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Astralporing.1957:

laurel vendor is different. There are no dungeon vendors. There’s no Fractals entrance… need i go on?

Well if you go into the fractal entrance you’re leaving the area so has no relevance. As for dungeon vendors, do you really use them that often that you need them right beside everythng else because it’s so difficult to click a button.
You’re complaining just for the sake of complaining. Anet did what they said, they moved everything to the Vigil keep that was unique to LA. Is it their fault you’re too lazy to click a button to go somewhere to get something you need.
Why don’t you stop moaning and start being proactive. Now is your chance to decide where they move everything to, they are letting the players choose where the next hub will be so make a case for somewhere that has everything laid out better.

That’s all nice and fluffy but what is their reason for not doing something as simple as putting a couple of objects (crafting stations) and relevant npc’s in vigil keep, a task so basic even their interns could do it?

Isn’t that obvious? How else are they going to nudge you guys into buying the Captain’s pass? The more inconveniences they introduce in the game, the more powerful their “nudge” would be, for you to spend in their gem store.

Yes, it is rather under-handed and it makes them look desperate.

Saint Scarlet.2906:

Astralporing.1957:

laurel vendor is different. There are no dungeon vendors. There’s no Fractals entrance… need i go on?

Well if you go into the fractal entrance you’re leaving the area so has no relevance. As for dungeon vendors, do you really use them that often that you need them right beside everythng else because it’s so difficult to click a button.
You’re complaining just for the sake of complaining. Anet did what they said, they moved everything to the Vigil keep that was unique to LA. Is it their fault you’re too lazy to click a button to go somewhere to get something you need.
Why don’t you stop moaning and start being proactive. Now is your chance to decide where they move everything to, they are letting the players choose where the next hub will be so make a case for somewhere that has everything laid out better.

1. What you do after entering the fractal instance is not the point…that is what has no relevance.
2. How often you use a dungeon vendor is also not the point. The point is when you do actually use the dungeon vendor and the convenience that experience versus what it was before this cash grab.
3. It has nothing to do with “clicking a button”. It has to do with having to wait to load into a new zone, away from things you may have been waiting on (fractal group forming maybe, temple run about to be announced in map chat maybe, dragon spawn announced in map chat, etc), and then wait to load back to where you started…versus the convenience we used to have pre cash grab.
4. You are the one moaning about stuff you clearly have not thought through. There has been no request for input on any of these changes or any indication that any input provided will make any difference. The person you responded to was doing just that…providing input/feedback on how this is not acceptable and how it should be corrected. This makes your statements make zero sense.

I wouldn’t really have an issue with this change if the functionality of lion’s arch was preserved at one location, versus having to load back and forth across diff zones. It would also be necessary to have a global chat channel to compensate.

roachsrealm.9284:

there are crafting stations in every home city and every starter zone, and in Ebonhawke. That’s 11 full places you can craft anytime you want. I cannot believe we’re going to start complaining that there isn’t a 12th, overpopulated and lagged option for us to use instead.

lol! People like you amaze me. I’ve gone to several cities, gone to the net and asked players – not many know where any of the “11” crafting areas are.

This is what I’ve been doing… go into your own boarderland’s WvW. You;ll have crafting stations + npcs + possibly a waypointed forge in your own gari. Log out/back in and it’ll put you back where you were before you went into WvW.

I’ve been doing this sort of thing for ages to get a mining pick, need to NPC loot, or whatever if I happen to run out.

Aberrant.6749:

This is what I’ve been doing… go into your own boarderland’s WvW. You;ll have crafting stations + npcs + possibly a waypointed forge in your own gari. Log out/back in and it’ll put you back where you were before you went into WvW.

I’ve been doing this sort of thing for ages to get a mining pick, need to NPC loot, or whatever if I happen to run out.

I have been doing that too but that doesn’t work if your server’s WvW is full and you have to be in the queue. Besides, if too many people do that, that would impact your server’s WvW queue and people who want to do WvW would not be able to do so.

DarkSpirit.7046:

Aberrant.6749:

This is what I’ve been doing… go into your own boarderland’s WvW. You;ll have crafting stations + npcs + possibly a waypointed forge in your own gari. Log out/back in and it’ll put you back where you were before you went into WvW.

I’ve been doing this sort of thing for ages to get a mining pick, need to NPC loot, or whatever if I happen to run out.

I have been doing that too but that doesn’t work if your server’s WvW is full and you have to be in the queue. Besides, if too many people do that, that would impact your server’s WvW queue and people who want to do WvW would not be able to do so.

The queue might be an issue depending on what server you’re in, but most servers have seen a drop in WvW population as of late. Even if you do get in a queue it’s not as if that usually prevents you from playing the game while you wait (unless you’re waiting for a dung/fractal party or something).

IMO it’s not a big deal as long as you’re not afk-ing there for a long time (which people do atm anyways). Go in, do what you need to do quickly, and get out.