Guild Wars 2

Crafting shouldn’t be necessary for any particular character to get gear. Sure, there need to be crafters who can SELL gear. But crafting ascended individually sucks for people who don’t like to craft and bought the game for wvw.

That would be like telling a crafter they need to do jumping puzzles to get materials or someone who PvE’s that they can only get good gear by winning tournaments.

Fact is, you should be able to get the best gear even if you never craft or deal with a crafter. Crafters just be a well deserved convenience.

any items above white in rarity are “unnecessary”
However, I do believe ascended should not have any time-gated bs, and they should be TP-able (same as legendaries are)

why not make the hole game unnecessary ?
why not any attempt to input time and effort to be unnecessary >_> why not be rewarded for not playing and ppl who have 1h in the game to be good at it as ppl who have 3 000h in the game ?

Mystic.5934:

any items above white in rarity are “unnecessary”
However, I do believe ascended should not have any time-gated bs, and they should be TP-able (same as legendaries are)

Don’t be absurd. The OP has a valid concern and you respond with something like that? Go ahead and play the game in white gear. Please.

However I agree that the Ascended should be TP-able. Imo, the Legendaries SHOULDN’T be.

But to the OP’s concern, a reason for doing it is because it encourages play in all aspects of the game. I think their reasoning is that the stat difference from Exotic to Ascended is small enough that players who will not craft, will not suffer any disadvantage. It is to be seen how this plays out in the future.

The appropriate fix is to make Ascended gear trade-able. I don’t know why it isn’t. Forcing players to craft for BiS gear just blows my mind.

I’m a crafter, and I’ll have my ascended gear w/o difficulties, but I still think this decision is indefensible. This is not “play how you want”.

Ascended armor is available through crafting for now but will likely be available through other parts of the game as time goes on. They might have other ways available in this patch that wasn’t stated.

They should make crafting levels account bound and not character bound.
That might easy the frustration.

Heta.8629:

Ascended armor is available through crafting for now but will likely be available through other parts of the game as time goes on. They might have other ways available in this patch that wasn’t stated.

This could come to fruition. Ascended weapon chests already drop in fractals. Of course, the RNG of getting exactly what you want might drive you crazy, but the chance is still there.

Um, the concern doesn’t make alot of sense … I PREFER to craft my gear instead of being forced to do other content to get them. I think the situation as it is now makes alot of sense .. you can craft OR do dungeons, etc.. to get things, including ascended.

Obtena.7952:

Um, the concern doesn’t make alot of sense … I PREFER to craft my gear instead of being forced to do other content to get them. I think the situation as it is now makes alot of sense .. you can craft OR do dungeons, etc.. to get things, including ascended.

Not effectively cause the drop rate is too low plus the fact of getting the stats you want. I want choice and the situation now is effectively no choice at all.

I have no problem with making all Ascended gear tradable. If Legendaries are tradable, why not Ascended?

Bombsaway.7198:

Crafting shouldn’t be necessary for any particular character to get gear. Sure, there need to be crafters who can SELL gear. But crafting ascended individually sucks for people who don’t like to craft and bought the game for wvw.

That would be like telling a crafter they need to do jumping puzzles to get materials or someone who PvE’s that they can only get good gear by winning tournaments.

Fact is, you should be able to get the best gear even if you never craft or deal with a crafter. Crafters just be a well deserved convenience.

I think you have some misunderstandings about the benefits of ascended weapons/armor. I just got my first ascended wand today. it has +3 to the stats from exotic. with 3 different stats im seing a whole +9 stat increase WOHOOOOO! im so OP now! wow! no. this gear is completely unnecessary so why get it? because it shows you put time and effort into it. crafting takes 1-2 hours total. Once your done then boom. your done. maybe spend 30 seconds crafting your daily crafts like mithrilium. Also you are HANDED the crafting materials in loot bags and drops in wvw. There’s no excuse to say that you dont have the materials or the ability to craft. The best way to get dragonite and the ascended materials is from wvw as is. so you are geting the easiest methods to obtain these items but then not exploiting them because you dont want to click a few crafting interface buttons. I’m sorry but this is absurd. It’s meant as a sign of progression and that you care about your character progression. its not even close to the jump in stats from rare to exotic. The total stat gain is going to be less than a food buff for a whole set of armor. Get off your soap box and go click your mouse a few extra times. Get over it.

Man Slauterer.5984:

The total stat gain is going to be less than a food buff for a whole set of armor. Get off your soap box and go click your mouse a few extra times. Get over it.

The gain from existing ascended items is ~10%. Now add asc armor on top of that…….. SO you have that gain and food buffs on top of that.

Crafting is boring for a large amount of the player base and its not just the actual act of crafting the weapon once you get all the materials its the crafting to get to 500.

I don’t mind getting them through crafting. I hope whatever new ways ANET introduce for ascended armors/weapons should be equivalent in cost and time it takes for crafting. For example: they could make 1 weapon / armor piece = 30 laurels + 30 Obsidian shards + 30 ectos + 500 badges of honor + 20 skill points + 50g through a trader.

I get the concern and I support ANet making Ascended gear available via some other method in the future but they are obviously not willing to do so immediately. Be patient or do some crafting.

Ascended weapon chests drop in WvW rank ups and FotM levels. It is RNG but hey, it’s essentially free if you do either of those. So no, crafting to 500 is NOT necessary.

I imagine Ascended armor will probably be implemented in some form like that as well.

Tachii.3506:

Ascended weapon chests drop in WvW rank ups and FotM levels. It is RNG but hey, it’s essentially free if you do either of those. So no, crafting to 500 is NOT necessary.

The drop rate for these appears to verge on precursor levels so no its not a reasonable alternative. Its so low that its no alternative at all.

There should be different ways to get different gear.
like how you can only get Final Rest from the Shadow Behemoth
However, Final Rest isn’t the only level 80 exotic staff – there are other ways to get other staffs with the same stats and different looks
Similarly, there should be different ways to get difference ascended items with the same stats and probably different looks.
They kinda failed at that golden strategy by having exactly 1 way to get each type of ascended item, and every type has a different way (with some exceptions of course). Hopefully when they finally finish ascended you’ll be able to get armor from fractals, rings from mystic forge, back pieces from crafting, etc.

Mystic.5934:

any items above white in rarity are “unnecessary”

One counterpoint to this:
“Except for looks”
I wish we at least had a ton of Fine, Masterwork, or even Common armors to make that just looked cool and could be sold for people to transmute the stats they want…
Just imagine all the people buying transmutation stones…it’s like ANet doesn’t want people’s money…

morrolan.9608:

Obtena.7952:

Um, the concern doesn’t make alot of sense … I PREFER to craft my gear instead of being forced to do other content to get them. I think the situation as it is now makes alot of sense .. you can craft OR do dungeons, etc.. to get things, including ascended.

Not effectively cause the drop rate is too low plus the fact of getting the stats you want. I want choice and the situation now is effectively no choice at all.

Unless you have some numbers to back that up, it’s subjective. The fact is that you DO have choices in this game for gear, LOTS of them.

Obtena.7952:

morrolan.9608:

Obtena.7952:

Um, the concern doesn’t make alot of sense … I PREFER to craft my gear instead of being forced to do other content to get them. I think the situation as it is now makes alot of sense .. you can craft OR do dungeons, etc.. to get things, including ascended.

Not effectively cause the drop rate is too low plus the fact of getting the stats you want. I want choice and the situation now is effectively no choice at all.

Unless you have some numbers to back that up, it’s subjective. The fact is that you DO have choices in this game for gear, LOTS of them.

Lots of choices for ascended weapons? Nope only 2 1 of which is effectively no alternative at all, and from all reports armor will be the same.

You seem to be not understanding a fundamental aspect of the game. There are lots of gear choices because nothing in the game is limited by what gear you have. Full exotics is more than sufficient for everything. So if someone isn’t willing to work with the existing methods to get ascended gear, the solution isn’t to remove a massive part of the game and demand to ‘just give me what I want’, the solution is that you go without those things, still being able to complete content as you did before ascended was available.

Obtena.7952:

You seem to be not understanding a fundamental aspect of the game. There are lots of gear choices because nothing in the game is limited by what gear you have. Full exotics is more than sufficient for everything.

Not if you come up against someone in ascended gear in WvW. Not for high level fractals.

Plus Chris Whiteside said there would be multiple sources for ascended items, I’m holding him to that, and as I said having drops from certain events/bosses with a miniscule chance of dropping is no alternative source at all.

I’m not sure if “play how you want” is worse for using it as an excuse to demand free stuff or using it as an excuse to be a bearbow.

Gnat.9405:

I’m not sure if “play how you want” is worse for using it as an excuse to demand free stuff

No-one is demanding free stuff.

morrolan.9608:

Gnat.9405:

I’m not sure if “play how you want” is worse for using it as an excuse to demand free stuff

No-one is demanding free stuff.

It’s as reasonable an assumption as suggesting to make crafting unnecessary. My problem with these threads is this … the option of raiding to get an ascended weapon is inline with crafting it, yet you are saying it’s not an option to raid for one and you don’t want to craft to get it.

Are you willing to do anything to get an ascended weapon considering what is needed to get it through the already established methods?

Exactly. Every time a post like this pops up, it’s always someone saying that their favorite style of play is not the play style that gets them what they want, so it should be changed. It’s unreasonable. A system was set in place to achieve a reward. If you don’t want to participate in the system, you don’t get the reward.

Obtena.7952:

morrolan.9608:

Gnat.9405:

I’m not sure if “play how you want” is worse for using it as an excuse to demand free stuff

No-one is demanding free stuff.

It’s as reasonable an assumption as suggesting to make crafting unnecessary. My problem with these threads is this … the option of raiding to get an ascended weapon is inline with crafting it, yet you are saying it’s not an option to raid for one and you don’t want to craft to get it.

To repeat raiding is not an effective option because the chance of dropping is clearly miniscule and there’s no other system to make up for it (like a token system) as all other mmos have. We are asking for reasonable options not free stuff.

Gnat.9405:

Exactly. Every time a post like this pops up, it’s always someone saying that their favorite style of play is not the play style that gets them what they want, so it should be changed. It’s unreasonable. A system was set in place to achieve a reward. If you don’t want to participate in the system, you don’t get the reward.

Its BiS weapons not just a reward. Plus as I said we were guaranteed multiple options by the devs, something which they’ve paid lip service to.

morrolan.9608:

We are asking for reasonable options not free stuff.

You have options. They aren’t unreasonable just because you choose to not like them. You need to quantify this statement to have any chance of being taken seriously.

Again, what are you willing to do for an Ascended because apparently, crafting and raiding are unreasonable?

morrolan.9608:

Obtena.7952:

morrolan.9608:

Gnat.9405:

I’m not sure if “play how you want” is worse for using it as an excuse to demand free stuff

No-one is demanding free stuff.

It’s as reasonable an assumption as suggesting to make crafting unnecessary. My problem with these threads is this … the option of raiding to get an ascended weapon is inline with crafting it, yet you are saying it’s not an option to raid for one and you don’t want to craft to get it.

To repeat raiding is not an effective option because the chance of dropping is clearly miniscule and there’s no other system to make up for it (like a token system) as all other mmos have. We are asking for reasonable options not free stuff.

Gnat.9405:

Exactly. Every time a post like this pops up, it’s always someone saying that their favorite style of play is not the play style that gets them what they want, so it should be changed. It’s unreasonable. A system was set in place to achieve a reward. If you don’t want to participate in the system, you don’t get the reward.

Its BiS weapons not just a reward. Plus as I said we were guaranteed multiple options by the devs, something which they’ve paid lip service to.

There are lots of things the devs said that aren’t happening. You can tell that from the 100’s of posts weekly about this that or the other thing GW2 was suppose to be and isn’t living up to expectations. The fact remains, you have options. One is crafting and the other is random drops. And before you repeat your completely incorrect statement that they are close to the drop rate of precursors, I have had one drop for me and have seen several drops for others in FoTM.

Even if it is BiS gear and not a standard reward, you still need to do what is necessary to get that gear. Anet cannot add 100 ways to get every item. Sometimes you need to do things you may not like to get the shinies that you want.

Ascended weapon chests drops fairly often I’d say in FotM. I got one with Cavalier stats, and a Dire stat from Teq. And I’ve seen guildies get them in WvW.

Like people have said already, there are other options. Fundamentally it makes crafting not a “necessity”. These are end-game challenges that certain players strive for. if you do not like it, well, we can only say “too bad”.

Tachii.3506:

Ascended weapon chests drops fairly often I’d say in FotM. I got one with Cavalier stats, and a Dire stat from Teq. And I’ve seen guildies get them in WvW.

I have not had 1 drop, and no its not for lack of trying whether it be killing teq many many times, or other world bosses etc etc. My guildies have hardly had any drop either, so no they don’t drop fairly often.

Obtena.7952:

Again, what are you willing to do for an Ascended because apparently, crafting and raiding are unreasonable?

I do craft them because I have no choice, that doesn’t mean I support the lack of options.

Let’s make fractals unnecessary because it’s the only way to get an ascended back piece. If ascended armor is only available in crafting for this patch then some QQ is acceptable but I almost guarantee it won’t remain the only way forever. As other posters have said you have to do certain parts of the game to get certain rewards. I’m sure some WvW players want Arah armor by doing WvW but they would need to PvE to get that reward

Fractals is no longer required to get an Ascended backpiece. The Vials of Mist Essence that were previously needed can now be replaced with Bloodstone Dust. (Although I’ll grant that not all stat types can be crafted in this fashion.)

morrolan.9608:

I do craft them because I have no choice, that doesn’t mean I support the lack of options.

Your dodging the question … You can craft, you can raid or you can decide you don’t need ascended weapons. What other option or choice do you want to see that isn’t ingame yet?

Anyone can complain but how can anyone take you seriously if you haven’t thought of what you would like as an alternative?

You don’t like whacking rocks, chopping trees, clicking on wooden benches and making glowing sticks?

Should we be expecting some strategic, challenging and engaging game play mechanics?

bahahah

Obtena.7952:

morrolan.9608:

I do craft them because I have no choice, that doesn’t mean I support the lack of options.

Your dodging the question … You can craft, you can raid

I don’t get them in raids so it isn’t an option ergo there is only 1 option and no choice. And I’m not dodging anything I am being upfront in saying IMHO the miniscule drop rate of ascended gear renders that no option at all. You’re free to have your own opinion but nothing that has been said persuades me otherwise.

Here’s the real problem with this idea: in the current market, crafting is horribly useless unless you want some free exp, or the ascended gear. There is no way to turn a profit, and there is no logical reason to expect that allowing ascended gear to be sold would turn a profit either, because thus far in every instance of crafting you actually make more money from selling the materials than you do from selling the product. On top of that, you don’t get experience for making ascended gear either.

Besides, because of the fairly large investment in making an ascended weapon, there isn’t even really a reason to expect people to sell them in the first place. Who would spend hours upon hours grinding through time-gating to make an item that doesn’t even compensate for the costs required to produce it, and then sell it?

Look at jewelry, or the armor professions. When was the last time you saw an exotic ring being sold for anything close to the costs of production? Personally, the only reason I bother crafting at all is for free and quick exp on the alts I don’t feel like grinding levels on so that I can do WvW with them sooner. In short, no, and it wouldn’t make a difference anyway.

Ascended gear —>> TP = no need for every person rise crafting = happy people.
I need only this option nothing more, because I hate crafting and I respect people who love crafting and put time in it.

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morrolan.9608:

To repeat raiding is not an effective option because the chance of dropping is clearly miniscule and there’s no other system to make up for it (like a token system) as all other mmos have. We are asking for reasonable options not free stuff.

An average crafter would take about one month to craft 1 weapon / 1 piece of armor. You can run 3 dungeon paths per day for 180 tokens in total. So it would be reasonable to make it

1 weapon / piece of armor = 5,400 tokens + 50g + 30 ectos + 20 skill points

Similarly for fractals, each day you can run 1 tier for tier 1 through 5, so 5 × 30 = 150. Also you get 58 relic for tier lv 9. 79 relics for lv 19, 100 relics for lv 29, 121 relics for lv 39, and 142 relics for lv 49. So exactly 500 relics a day. 500 × 30 = 15,000

I guess you would be ok too if they make it

1 weapon / piece of armor = 150 pristine relics + 15,000 relics + 50g + 30 ectos + 20 skill points

Or as I suggested in some post above

1 weapon / armor piece = 40 laurels + 30 Obsidian shards + 30 ectos + 500 badges of honor + 20 skill points + 50g through a trader.

I would be fine with this exchange so it doesn’t hurt the crafters who spend endless hours farming to make their ascended items

morrolan.9608:

……
Plus Chris Whiteside said there would be multiple sources for ascended items, I’m holding him to that, and as I said having drops from certain events/bosses with a miniscule chance of dropping is no alternative source at all.

Repeating your intention ignore drops over and over on these forums does not alter the fact that there ARE 2 methods for obtaining Ascended at this moment. The Devs have provided “multiple sources for ascended items”, even if you choose to ignore one of them.