Guild Wars 2

I’ve been reading a lot of opinions in various posts about the `best` methods for getting what you want from the MF. Thanks to the RNG factor I find it hard to agree with anyone in particular as to what you should be doing.

However, in the cases where you’ve already decided to dump rares (why is not important), it seems like it might be preferable to only dump rares you’ve crafted yourself. The reason being that you would save found rares to salvage for ectos and Major sigils/runes, with these items going into the forge to get yourself a Superior. If for some reason you really don’t want ectos you can salvage those as well or sell them to get more mats for crafting your own rares. Most of the Superior upgrades (with some exceptions, like the Sigil of Sorrows) go for 1g+ so it would look like you can stretch your RNG dollars a bit more going this route, or am I overlooking something?

EDIT: Corrected post, I had written `TP` instead of `MF`

WRT Flushing – I haven’t noticed a difference between the result of Mystic Flushing either of the two (self-crafted vs. dropped). Not one I could discern, anyway.

WRT Salvaging – I’ve had nothing but bad luck salvaging my own crafted rares for ectos. YMMV, but I tend to flush, rather than salvage, my own crafted rares UNLESS I’m just salvaging for a few more of the raw material (ore, leather, etc) because I’m only a couple recipes from the next crafting threshold or something. I salvage dropped rares often.

These are really two separate things. To maximize your value from the mystic forge, swords, daggers, staves, and greatswords should only be flushed with other weapons of the same type. You can craft up more weapons of the same type to flush with the ones you find, or just craft a bunch up and forge them; both are maximizing value from your materials.

Weapons of any other type should be thrown into the forge with 3 other ‘low value’ rare weapons, with at least one not matching the others in type; this gives you a weapon of a random type, including a chance at those high value precursors. You should never craft rares for this purpose, that is value destroying. You can also salvage these rares you find for ectos; it is marginally more valuable to forge them in the long run, but the difference is not large.

Never salvage rare greatswords, staves, daggers, or swords. Either forge them yourself, or sell them to someone else who will.

Ensign.2189:

Weapons of any other type should be thrown into the forge with 3 other ‘low value’ rare weapons, with at least one not matching the others in type; this gives you a weapon of a random type, including a chance at those high value precursors. You should never craft rares for this purpose, that is value destroying.

I’m not sure I understand the `value destroying` comment, when I’m talking about dumping things into the MF.

Right now, it’s cheaper to buy rare then to craft them. Just saying.

Lytalm.5673:

Right now, it’s cheaper to buy rare then to craft them. Just saying.

Ah… my OP isn’t clear on this point, but I’m not talking about buying materials just to craft rares.

Eggman.1405:

Lytalm.5673:

Right now, it’s cheaper to buy rare then to craft them. Just saying.

Ah… my OP isn’t clear on this point, but I’m not talking about buying materials just to craft rares.

Even if you have the materials, I’m pretty sure you can make more cash by selling your crafting materials then buying rare weapon instead of crafting them directly.

What’s your ultimate objective? To hope for a pre or to gamble and try and skim a profit from exo’s? If it’s the latter, I suggest avoiding it all together. The market tends to reflect the value of crafting components of rare weapons in the forge, which is why mithril and elder mats are typically pretty stable in the TP. If there was any sizable profit to be made in the MF this manner, then more people would do it and the price would flux up more. There is a profit to be made if you’re mildly lucky, but the time it takes to make said profit is greater than the profit itself. You’d be better off in other aspects of the game if mere gold is your objective.

Personally, I do some mild gambling on it. I accumulate large quantities of mithril/elder through regular play, along with the other t5 mats needed for the inscriptions. When I have enough for a burst of weapons I hit up LA, craft a few dozen weapons, toss em in the toilet and hope for a pre. If I lose out, meh. I sell the exotics and say “whatever” for another day.

I salvage my rare drops because to me it’s not worth the time to horde them until my next MF bout. Bag space = time, time = money. I’d be losing money by holding these items rather than mitigating losses in the craft to toilet route.

I suppose it may be better to toilet your drops instead if you find yourself by the john every hour or so, but if not then you’re also losing money on all the WP’ing you do + the time it takes to load up, run to the forge, drop em in, and then WP back to what you’re doing. Collectible bank > all.

Lytalm.5673:

Eggman.1405:

Lytalm.5673:

Right now, it’s cheaper to buy rare then to craft them. Just saying.

Ah… my OP isn’t clear on this point, but I’m not talking about buying materials just to craft rares.

Even if you have the materials, I’m pretty sure you can make more cash by selling your crafting materials then buying rare weapon instead of crafting them directly.

Depends on the weapon you’re going for. Keep in mind that the TP will eat 15% of your mat sales which might make the difference.

Eggman.1405:

I’m not sure I understand the `value destroying` comment, when I’m talking about dumping things into the MF.

There are some things you can dump into the mystic forge that are, on average, value creating – you can, on average, expect to make money from those recipes. Others are value destroying – on average, you lose money off of those recipes.

You don’t want to craft any rare weapons other than greatswords, swords, staves, and daggers. All of those can be thrown into the forge for a profit. The others cannot.

I throw everything in the forge. Some days are better returns than others, but it all goes in.

I dumped about 12 rares into the MF last night to clear out some room for my Mithril Ingots and Elder Planks.

I tried placing buy orders for rares but I get overbid so quickly maybe crafting them is the only way to go? I’m saving up elder planks and t5 mats for it.

My experience: I’ve thrown in a heap of rares in my time. Both types – the ones you get from random drops and the ones you craft yourself. The random drops I used to throw into the forge just for a bit of a gamble to see what might come out. The crafted ones were with a very specific purpose.. to land a precursor.

Non-made rares: Throwing these in the forge I found was a bit hit and miss, as is the nature of RNG. What I found sometimes helped me along to get exotics from the forge was the use of Mystic Forge Stones. A lot of people here will say to not use them for such a purpose, and to save them for crafting a Mystic Salvage Kit instead. You’ll probably get more mileage with that kind of use, but each to their own.

Made rares: In my time in the game, I’ve crafted upwards of 1500 rares in an effort to get the forge to drop a legendary precursor. 100% of the time has this not worked out for me. Dropping in a single forge of 4 random exotics however… that’s quite another tale. Having maxed my Artificer craft, I made all my rares mostly from being out in the world and gathering T5 materials. This made the process a hell of a lot easier and far less costly than the T5 materials of today.

People have different goals for making rares – some do it as forge fodder, others so they can sell on the TP, others still who want to just salvage for essences and ectos.

Lytalm.5673:

Right now, it’s cheaper to buy rare then to craft them. Just saying.

depending on the rare, it could be cheaper to craft or buy. do the cheaper one on a case-by-case basis.
remember to throw in items with an average level of 75 or higher for highest chance at precursor.