Guild Wars 2

I know this has been mentioned before, but I thought it needed mention since from what I can see it really hasn’t been acknowledged. Runes of Holding are simply way too expensive.

At first it’s not really a big deal at all, perhaps up t 10 slot bags…Then suddenly you get a 500% price increase from one Tier up. Not to mention the 500% price increase is laughable in cost as is!

For some reason you don’t like players having money. I don’t know why, but a single gold in the game is a real accomplishment even at higher levels, which is…weird.

Crafted Rare gear sells for half as much as a Tier 4 rune. Let that sink in. An entire crafted chest or leg piece made with karma recipes sells for 50% of the cost of a single rune for a BAG of all things. This isn’t even counting the following Rune prices, either.

I don’t know a single player in their 50s that has, well, 50s per bag to drop freely on crafting. I myself have just over a gold now, without buying anything off the broker or wasting money needlessly. The only major purchase was my Level 40 trait line book.

I’m not saying right off the bat people should be freely crafting dozens of high-level bags, but the costs as they stand are utterly ridiculous. Even my level 80 friend who asked me to make him a set of Wool-Tier bags balked when I told him how much silver per bag I needed. Never mind the larger ones.

Rune prices seriously need a major adjustment.

maybe make a whole list of all the unreasonably priced items in the game haha, it’s ridiculous. PLUS after end game, it’s even harder to make money

Most items seem reasonably priced though, at least from what I’ve seen. It’s only the Runes (so far) that are ludicrous.

I make about 60-75s per dungeon depending on which one. Get yourself some MF food and mf guild boost and go run some 20-30min dungeons. You will have money.

Fluffycalico.2715:

I make about 60-75s per dungeon depending on which one. Get yourself some MF food and mf guild boost and go run some 20-30min dungeons. You will have money.

Even if you have the gold it is still much cheaper to turn that gold into gems to get inventory slot unlocks and if you still have gold then bank slots or extra character slots.

mnguyen.5142:

maybe make a whole list of all the unreasonably priced items in the game haha, it’s ridiculous. PLUS after end game, it’s even harder to make money

Id’d go with waypointing costs. There is little incentive to go back to lower level zones as things are. Numerous threads on that topic.

Honestly, the rates need to drop. I myself wouldn’t get the final tier rune anytime soon even though I’ve got the gold for it since its just one bag. As earlier pointed out, it is way more cheaper to flip the gold for gems and unlock atleast three more inventory slots.

@Fluffycalico – Not all of us have the stomach to grind once single dungeon over and over again.

I too was thinking the prices on the runes are mad. I’m only lvl50. And when guild mates asked me to make them some 10 slot bags and I said sure that’s nearly 5 silver they where all saying the same thing. I’ll have the 8 slot coper bag then.

The primary reason this is broken is the easy of getting larger bags from pvp. Glory is plentiful, all it takes is a bit of time to rank up.

I also think the rune prices are Much too high. 8 GOLD for -TWO- additional slots? WHAT? Admittedly, they don’t require much else in the way of mats, but I’d rather have to farm more mats than to try to make -10 gold-.

I’m Never going to get 20 slot bags because they’re far too expensive. I’d rather use my gold for other things, like GEMS to buy Bank Tabs and Bag Slots. Much more efficient use of gold. Hell, with -10 gold- I could probably upgrade my bleeding game at this point, or buy, like, 6 character slots, dozens of dye packs, or minis.

Seriously. The price of the 20 slot and even the 18 slot bags needs to be reconsidered.

Rogacz.9865:

The primary reason this is broken is the easy of getting larger bags from pvp. Glory is plentiful, all it takes is a bit of time to rank up.

You can get bags from glory?? How!? * clearly not done much PvP yet *

Yeah, the price is pretty ridiculous considering the bags themselves don’t even make a profit. I get the feeling that the crafting professions are more designed around people making stuff for themselves instead of being able to make a profit – which is not working out very well.

By the time I’ve gone out and acquired the materials needed to craft something exotic, the price usually shifts to be increasingly lower as time goes on.

All of the armor crafters in my guild have complained of this at one point or another—especially the lower tier runes which, if you tend to level your crafting tiers to match your level tiers, seem unreasonably priced.

You know, I don’t mind dropping 3-5g at once for some nice things, but I have a block in my brain that prevents me from spending 10g on a rune—I’d rather use it to get cultural armor or gems.

“For some reason you don’t like players having money. I don’t know why, but a single gold in the game is a real accomplishment even at higher levels, which is…weird.”

Of course they don’t want you to earn gold, they want you to purchase it. That’s how they make thier money. Every descision and action you see them take revolves around this.

Trading post. Buy bags off the trading post. If the bags aren’t cheaper than their component runes, then wait a little longer. There is nothing that actively removes bags from the economy, so they’ll slowly pile up and become worth less than even the rune it costs to make them.

Part of it may be that less inventory space means they’ll need fewer servers for data storage.

Or it may just be a fortunate side effect.

I’ve been figuring that large bags are the true end-game. I’ve made due with the original 8 slots up til level 75. I figure after hitting 80 getting my best armor, doing some WvW, I’ll eventually get enough gold to craft some up… or buy them on the trading post.

Sparkie.3465:

Trading post. Buy bags off the trading post. If the bags aren’t cheaper than their component runes, then wait a little longer. There is nothing that actively removes bags from the economy, so they’ll slowly pile up and become worth less than even the rune it costs to make them.

Doubtful, considering it costs the runes and the mats, No one will put them on the TP at a significant loss. That would be ridiculous. They simply wouldn’t make them. Ultimately, the cheapest they are likely to get is the base cost of the runes. Especially since No One wants to make their own, much less buy them at their current prices. If this time ever comes it will be a VERY long ways off.

Supply/Demand

People are willing to buy them at the prices they’re selling. If they don’t sell, then prices will continue to fall until they do sell, even below the cost of manufacturing them because they will be taking up inventory space, as well as holding value that could be liquified and spent elsewhere.

And that’s as simple as it gets. If you can’t afford the bag, then it looks like you’re going to have to do with whatever size you’re currently using.

Nice stuff costs lots of money in real life too, because demand far outpaces supply.

deathTouch.9706:

Supply/Demand

People are willing to buy them at the prices they’re selling. If they don’t sell, then prices will continue to fall until they do sell, even below the cost of manufacturing them because they will be taking up inventory space, as well as holding value that could be liquified and spent elsewhere.

And that’s as simple as it gets. If you can’t afford the bag, then it looks like you’re going to have to do with whatever size you’re currently using.

Nice stuff costs lots of money in real life too, because demand far outpaces supply.

Thing is, 20 slots really aren’t that great. In WoW I have all 24+s and even that’s not enough space. Personally I will never understand why in a fantasy world inventory space has to be hard. Anyway, it’s unlikely for supply to outweigh demand in this game for the 20 slot bag unless they release a bag with more slots, and even then, no one is going to Make bags for the purpose of selling if they sell at less than they cost to make. It’s that simple. And no one is going to make bags they can’t use if they aren’t going to sell for more than they cost to make. Even if a few people do attempt to make and sell bags, it won’t last long if they sell for less than the cost to make them, and then the supply will go back down below demand.

Yes they are way too expensive I am still on 8/10 slot bags at lvl80.
I just can’t see myself spending that much money on a rune if I could be spending it on almost anything else.
It would be great if we could buy the runes with karma or even just the recipes and then craft the runes ourselves.
A friend asked me to make him bags the other night and I gave him a breakdown of the mats and costs for the different sizes- he wanted 4, 20 slot bags initially after he saw the cost he went with 3, 10 slot and 1, 12 slot I think. It is just sad.

Just buy more bag slots with the handy gem store!

AvalonBright.6957:

For some reason you don’t like players having money. I don’t know why, but a single gold in the game is a real accomplishment even at higher levels, which is…weird.

Just think of it like this: if everyone could get 100g easy one month after release. What would happen in a year. Or two. If everyone could get tons of money real easy then something is wrong. And money would loose it’s value or be worthless altogether. There would be no point in having any at all.

I just recently spent 2g on 4×15 slot bags. I feel like a king with a castle that has 100 rooms. With the deposit collectables tab, I don’t see how anyone can fill up 80 slots in 1-2 dungeon runs. Personally my first 20 slots are always full and I still don’t fill up 60. I crafted from like…200-400 artificer yesterday and still had about 15 slots handy.

I’d say for 2g, it’s worth it. The others…well, to each their own. Rich kiddies or those who used the server transfers to gather Ori and such before the 24 hour cooldown probably bought that stuff easily..

I don’t want to have 100 g after a month, nor am I a rich kid or a server jumping farmer.
I have amassed a grand total of 3,5 g in my entire game so far.
I just would really love to use my 400 tailor skill to actually craft myself some exotic armour eventually. Hence why I am saving my money.
As for bag space- you don’t really need 4, 20 slot bags unless you are a chef.
If you are, you definitely do.
I bought an extra bank tab because I really needed it but I have 4 alts and it fills up really fast.
I have upgraded my Guild to have a Guild Vault- that has been my solution so far. I really can’t afford runes of holding.

A quick Calc spreadsheet using the conversion rate at the time I decided to look shows that the most cost effective method to fill up space is to use rugged leather bags (disregarding the cost of the leather in the recipe using only rune cost and gold => gems => bag slots), and that it is never worthwhile to use the bags with higher capacity. If you need more capacity, you buy more bag slots (using gold to gems) instead of the runes.

In niche cases it may be worthwhile to use thin or coarse leather bags instead of entirely rugged, (for instance to increase capacity by 52 beyond the starter backpack, you would be most cost effective using 2 rugged, 1 coarse and 1 thin with ~230 copper spent per slot, then 54 slots using 2 rugged 2 coarse at ~240 copper spent per slot, then 55 slots using 3 rugged, 1 thin at ~250 copper spent per slot, …, 60 slots using 4 rugged at ~333 copper per slot).

At current prices and capacities, it will never be worthwhile to make anything beyond rugged.

“Nice stuff costs lots of money in real life too, because demand far outpaces supply.”

We’re drifting off topic here. The point is the obvious and enormous imbalance between the size increase granted by each successive rune and its cost.

The game is trying to convince me that a 20-slot bag is worth 8 gold more than an 18-slot bag. 8 gold for 2 more slots does not add up when I could spend less gold and unlock a whole new inventory tab with gems, thus gaining another 12-18 slots for less than the cost of adding 2 slots to an existing unlocked tab.

Excessive inventory space is a luxury in this game, and the rune prices reflect that. Arguing that rune price should increase linearly with bag size makes no sense economically.

Arguing that two slots are worth 8 gold makes no sense in any context at all. Especially when I can instead spend maybe 2 gold and get 12 slots by way of gems, a new inventory tab, and a cheaper bag.

I just take it for what it is- a gold sink and a convenience. I doubt most players would spend 10g knowing full well they could either a) get more bank tabs, b) get more bag tabs, or c) use an alt’s baggage space or get another character slot. All of which would be cheaper gold wise. I personally don’t have anything against this, considering there are a lot more options to getting more inventory space.

2 extra slots isn’t going to solve baggage space issues nor will 14 extra slots if you got 20 slot bags on all 7 bag slots. It’s just nice to have if you are looking for something to spend money on.

They knew about “alt banks” in the last game. If buying a bank slot is cheaper than the bags many players would just do that.

It’s expensive because it’s a carrot on a stick

Flat out bag runes are too expensive.

Who ever said you’re entitled to a 20 slot bag?

Deal with managing a smaller inventory size if you can’t afford the bags. Simple.

You say they don’t make much of a difference (which is true), but at the same time, they matter enough to you that you went and made a thread about the price.

I kind of look at it this way: When you are decked out in full exotics, what else are you going to spend your money on? Weapons with fancy effects that make no difference in gameplay whatsoever? How is this any worse?

I’ve been getting along just fine with smaller bags (all bag slots unlocked), personally.

Actually, I kind of don’t follow the argument presented here at all, because I think it would be more of an issue if having the biggest bags available did make a really huge practical difference.

I would agree that large bags seem very expensive when you compare them to the current gem prices and the additional charatcter slots and bank storage they can buy. Maybe that just means that current gem prices are much lower than what Anet feels they will be or should be down the road.