Guild Wars 2

Hello-.

As you can see at TP the legendary precursor for Twilight is now close to 400 gold.

Is this intended by ANET? How can I ever get a legendary when the precursor price goes up allmost 10-20g a day?

Can we please get a certain recipe or somewhat more reliable than putting 4 random 70+ rare/exotic GS into the forge?

Oh and I love how you didnt do anything about the players that exploited the 65 lvl rare bug..

Before the game launched.. ANET said that legendary weapons would require you to travel around the whole world collecting/grinding different materials.

They never said you would need luck in the mystic forge or that you have to buy gems for real money for hundreds of euros to afford the precursor.

Gotta love how the exploiters never get punished.,

Oh they bought 500 rare weapons for 19 karma each, lets give them another chance.

But those who “only bought” 50 didnt get any warning at all.

This was not intended as a rage thread but I guess it kind of turned out to be one…

I would rather see the precursor weapons require 10k ectos than having it be a random luck in the mystic forge..

Well done,

How is the price of the precursors related to people who exploited earlier in the game?

You might have a point about revamping how precursors are made, but your suggestion wouldn’t lower the prices at all. Ectos have fallen to 15s now, and even supposing they fall further to 10s, a precursor for 10k of them would reasonably cost 1000g. And if it was a guaranteed way to make a precursor, the price probably wouldn’t fall that far.

As it is, several hundred gold makes sense, because by some accounts it seems you need to throw about 1000 level 80 rares into the Mystic Forge to get a precursor, and several hundred gold is about 1000 times the current price of most level 80 rares on the TP.

There was another exploit of a precursor weapon popping often after throwing in some rares. People ending up with several dusks on their accounts.

Putting everything aside, 150g I’d still say “ok”, 300g means something went wrong.
Plus, giving the advantage to exploiters or opportunists as mentioned, us regular players got completely screwed.

Best solution is to make these weapons obtainable through a proper recipe, enough with the fake RNG, since I haven’t seen a single proof past the patch that anyone got the weapon even after throwing in 1400+ rares into the forge.

Just how desperate is Anet to make more money out of the gems shop?

There’s already a thread from someone who recently got Dawn.

And if it is indeed a thousand rares on average before getting a precursor, then I’d say 300g is just about exactly right. Anything lower means it’s underpriced.

You’re still missing the point –
Player A used any of past exploits to get Dusk.
Player B got to buy Dusk cheap for 66g (yes, was that low at one point)
game patched
Player C is screwed.

Why should player C work 3~5x times as hard than Player A or B for his own precursor?

Anet didn’t fix anything, and only made things worse…
We know they can change weapons to another type, meaning they could change the old dusk to another exotic. Since there were so few, they could also find a solution for the players who already owned the as compensation of some sort.

Player C is not “screwed” by Player B getting a cheap precursor; Player B just got lucky and took advantage of a low price.

If anyone got screwed it’s the person who put Dusk up for sale for 66g, but it’s not like they were forced to – they did it of their own volition.

If, for example, I managed to buy 10,000 Mithril Ore at 25c each before the price went up to almost 40c each (and this has also been affected by a patch by ArenaNet, so the situation is very similar), would that mean that everyone else got “screwed”?

Unfortunately, I don’t have 10k Mithril Ore, but I wish I did, just as I wish I’d bought several Dawns or Dusks for 60g a pop.

Every time ArenaNet patches something it’s going to have an effect on the market, and on players’ opportunities. You could just as well make the same complaint about every patch, and if ArenaNet were to accede to such complaints they’d never be able to make any improvements that affect the economy.

The situation earlier was simply not the way ArenaNet intended it to be, and so they changed it. Yes, some players were able to benefit from the situation; in many cases they were intentionally making use of exploits and I do agree that that’s not a good thing. However, I think it would be even worse to leave an exploit in the game and let everyone use it just because some players did it and got away with it.

Pandeh.5248:

Oh and I love how you didnt do anything about the players that exploited the 65 lvl rare bug.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the current issue.

The problem are the players playing the market. The guy who used the exploit to get a Dusk and sold it for 50 gold is rather irrelevant right now; the guy who farmed to death and got 150 gold, bought all Dusks in the Trade House, then sold them for three times the original price and continues to do the same thing, artificially inflating the price of those items, is what’s causing the real issue.

In other words, it’s greedy players that are inflating the price of the precursors. ArenaNet took some steps to keep the greedy players in check by adding the DR system, which helps to keep the gap between the grinders and the normal, sane players not as big; but there’s no DR in the Trade House.

IMO, those players buying precursors for cheap and then selling them for 3 times the buying price are actually hurting other players, and should thus be dealt with. Since I doubt very much ArenaNet would do this (we all know how greedy players like to whine, see all the complaints against DR), they should at least add a cap to the selling price of the precursors.

@lackofcheese.5617

I agree, but over a 200g jump in price is not an ordinary patch, and could’ve been fixed much better in many other ways.

Like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t mind paying even 150g for a piece, by knowing I will definitely get it. But this RNG reminds me of Fenris armor in Aion, back in the day when you needed 30m for an attempt, with 30% success rate. (until new patch)

I don’t mind hardcore, but the prices atm are absurd.
There is nothing wrong with a legendary piece costing 400g, that’s rare enough and something to brag about.

we’re talking over 800g here all mats included.

If Anet intended from the beginning for it to take half an year for the semi-hardcore player for a chance to get it, then I’ll keep silent.

The only issue I have with the precursers is that those who used the large skull rares (lvl 65s) before the error was patched, did not have their precursors removed. As some had several made this way I find it very strange that it didnt occur to Anet that it would make a very few players sit on a very large pile of gold, eventhough, Anet had previously stated over and over again, to report exploits and bugs to them and not abuse them. (Qeue the debate about what constitutes and exploit again will ya)

Agravating this point is also their swift call on the karma exploit from Ebonhawk, but it baffles the mind that they didnt actually go in and remove all the rares and precursors those who abused that exploit were able to create in the forge (this was before the forge was fixed to not accept these weapons) – I know they asked people to destroy any gold and items they had gotten through the exploit, but they didnt actually go in and take that choice out of the hands of the players. Im sure they probably pooled some, but not everyone, and thats an issue.

Since the decisive method of dealing with exploiting the game mechanics in the case of the Karma debacle, we have had limb responses to the gate jumping extra chest hoarding, exploit running dungeon racing, as well as the complete lack of action with regards to the godskull debacle, except a big thank you for reporting it, to that player who sat with 900g after selling precursors. That player had the social savy to understand when to report it and how to do it in a way that didnt land him in trouble with Anet, and surely that is impressive. Their lack of fair action is not.

Anyway, I have been surprised at the way the gamers have argued about the priced of the precursors and not been more angry about the pms’ing standards of Anet with regards to how they deal with these players who exploit weaknesses in the game. – What made the Karma debacle more outrageous than the guy with 6 dawns and 4 dusks in his backpack. – (and the others like him) – Im just wondering if an exploit is ok to abuse if its just you and your 5 palls? If they had invited the whole server to the party then it wouldnt have been and the precursors had been removed – or not? To me the answer is obvious, which is why I dislike the inconsistency in the reactions to this type of behaviour.

Anyway, bla bla bla.

Horheristo.3607:

@lackofcheese.5617

I agree, but over a 200g jump in price is not an ordinary patch, and could’ve been fixed much better in many other ways.

It’s not like they specifically said “let’s patch it so it goes up 200g in price”. The issue is that with an RNG system like this very small changes can make a very big difference.

From what I’ve read about it, the biggest issue with the Godskull exploit was that it was so cheap to put in, and was producing plenty of other, non-precursor exotics at a time when those exotics were more expensive than they are now. Consequently, it would have been very cheap to just keep pumping rares into the forge, since you’d be paying for most of your costs (or maybe even making a profit) just from the exotics you were getting out. This would’ve meant that the average cost to make a Dawn or Dusk was exponentially lower, which could easily have resulted in plenty of cheap Dawns or Dusks on the market.

Horheristo.3607:

Like I’ve said before, I wouldn’t mind paying even 150g for a piece, by knowing I will definitely get it.

Based on the current situation, ArenaNet never intended it to be anywhere near as cheap as 150g. There’s plenty to indicate that the rate of getting a Dusk or Dawn from 4 exotic level 80 greatswords is less than 1%, which would mean the average rate of Dusk/Dawn would be one for every 300 level 80 exotics – hence the appropriate price would be upwards of 450g (higher once you consider the 15% tax).

It’s possible that the odds aren’t as low as we think, and in that case the price will end up naturally becoming lower.

It’s also possible that ArenaNet didn’t intend the odds to be this low, but that seems unlikely, considering that they probably took a good long look at their numbers after the exploit situation.

Maybe later on they will decide that these odds are indeed too harsh for many players, but right now I’m pretty sure precursors are working the way ArenaNet intended.

Erasculio.2914:

The problem are the players playing the market. The guy who used the exploit to get a Dusk and sold it for 50 gold is rather irrelevant right now; the guy who farmed to death and got 150 gold, bought all Dusks in the Trade House, then sold them for three times the original price and continues to do the same thing, artificially inflating the price of those items, is what’s causing the real issue.

Well, apparently there’s a guy who did both those things – used the exploit to get a bunch of cash, then bought a bunch of Dawns and Dusks off the TP.

However, you don’t have much justification to suggest that the price is, in fact, being “artificially inflated”. The current price is reflective of the very low odds of getting a Dusk or Dawn on the Mystic Forge; if the odds were higher, the price would be lower.

It’s not possible to keep the price inflated significantly above what the odds indicate for any significant period of time – if you tried to do so, other players would be able to profit by Mystic Forging en masse and selling their own Dusks or Dawn. If you tried to keep buying those Dawns/Dusks you would eventually find yourself out of money, no matter how much you had to begin with, and you would find yourself unable to sell them at a profit because they would keep being made.

The main reason the price has gone up is ArenaNet’s Godskull fix, and other changes to the odds of getting precursors from the Forge. That was naturally going to cause a massive increase in price, regardless of who ended up benefiting from it.

Erasculio.2914:

IMO, those players buying precursors for cheap and then selling them for 3 times the buying price are actually hurting other players, and should thus be dealt with.

I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that players should be punished for buying and selling on the Trading Post. Every time you make a transaction on the TP, it is done without coercion and with bilateral approval. Every time two players participate in a transaction, both players agree to that transaction and are hence equally responsible for it.

If you want to punish players for transactions on the TP, you should punish both parties involved in every transaction. If you want to punish people for buying at 60g and selling at 300g, you should also punish people for selling at 60g and buying at 300g.

No one has gotten screwed by the fact that precursors used to be much cheaper. Yes, some of those earlier sales were the results of exploits, but that’s not the main reason prices were so much lower. The main reason for such low prices was that 50g was a hell of a lot of money a month and a half ago. Regardless of how hard it is to get an item, if you price it higher than the amount of money anyone has, it won’t sell.

@ lackofcheese.5617

My only reply to your long post is an honest answer if you own a legendary / precursor?
Since I do not understand otherwise where this extremely defensive stand is coming from.

You can’t create a goal that 95% of the population cannot reach even after half an year of play. That can drive anyone nuts and lose interest of the game fairly quickly, especially with the lack of content to make it that far, with no choice but to repeat it over and over and over and over endlessly.

The voices of of the undead are already resounding through Cursed shore, and those are not the monsters….

Hippocampus.8470:

No one has gotten screwed by the fact that precursors used to be much cheaper. Yes, some of those earlier sales were the results of exploits, but that’s not the main reason prices were so much lower. The main reason for such low prices was that 50g was a hell of a lot of money a month and a half ago. Regardless of how hard it is to get an item, if you price it higher than the amount of money anyone has, it won’t sell.

450g is not a sane price.

Stop whining about precursor prices and figure out a way to make enough money to buy one or craft one like the rest of us did, or re-evaluate your expectations of what you can achieve in the game.

deathTouch.9706:

Stop whining about precursor prices and figure out a way to make enough money to buy one or craft one like the rest of us did, or re-evaluate your expectations of what you can achieve in the game.

Entertain me, who’re the “rest of us”?
You make it sound like there’s so many of you precursor owners.

And if 450g sounds reasonable to you, I am definitely not jealous of the lifestyle you are leading. Unless you got Chinese buddies.

Horheristo.3607:

My only reply to your long post is an honest answer if you own a legendary / precursor?

I currently own a Dawn, which I bought for ~215g, though I still haven’t decided which legendary I actually want to get at the moment and haven’t really done much of the necessary farming. Most of my time spent in-game is spent trading on the TP and crafting.

Horheristo.3607:

Since I do not understand otherwise where this extremely defensive stand is coming from.

How is it “extremely defensive”? All I’m doing is responding to other people’s points when I perceive them to be highly flawed.

If ArenaNet decided that Dawn and Dusk were too expensive, and did something that caused the price to drop to 100g, I wouldn’t mind all that much if they felt that it would help the overall state of the game. Yes, my Dawn would drop to 115g below what I bought it for, but I can deal with that (though I think you would see many players complain about it).

If they did drop the price, you would see a lot of players who bought a Dawn or Dusk for 200g+ making much the same argument as you – they bought their precursor for a high price and it’s unfair of ArenaNet to make it cheaper, just as you’re saying that it’s unfair of ArenaNet to make them more expensive. The argument is symmetrical – every time ArenaNet causes something to change in price, whether it goes up or down, people are going to complain, no matter what.

The exploiters actually brought all the dusk and dawn and kept doing so to drive the price up. They had too much money which allowed them to manipulate the market.
The games economy is a mess. They need to increase the drop rate of rares and exotics, the more that are in the economy the more chances ppl have to forge. This in turn drives the prices down.

I just spend 100g on exotic GS lvl 80 , and i got 0 dusk 0 dawn …

Hippocampus.8470:

There’s already a thread from someone who recently got Dawn.

And if it is indeed a thousand rares on average before getting a precursor, then I’d say 300g is just about exactly right. Anything lower means it’s underpriced.

And you would be wrong because that would equate to almost 3000 rares in cost which is 3x more expensive. Rares cost ~12s each to make (this fluctuates marginally at different times of day) so 1000×12s = 120G – whereas, as I type this, the cheapest Dusk for sale is 375G and the cheapest Dawn is 348G. So Dusk is > 3x as expensive and Dawn is close to 3x as expensive.

I’m just curious where anyones proof that exploiters are the cause of the price. Even if the people who didn’t get banned for the cheating, the chances they got precursor drops from the forge are incredibly low. The people that exploited enough to get banned had to delete everything they gained in order to get unbanned, so none of there’s would be around.

People use thousands of cheap level 75 rares when they have the absolute lowest odds of making one in the forge, and that is from ANet’s mouth. Say you use 3000 of them, as has been suggested earlier. At ~20s a pop that’s several hundred gold. ANet said the best odds are from level 80 exotics. I’m willing to bet you spend a lot less total by using exotics, sadly most are still going to go with level 75 rares thinking it’s the better choice.

@Artorous
Tell that to my Fiancée who has put over 200 lvl 76+ exotics in and has no pre-legendary yet.

And you have it wrong about the exploiters. First off as far as anyone knows, no-one got banned for the latest exploit so there were no requirements for them to get unbanned, they kept all the pre-legendaries and are making a nice profit. Second, the Karma weapon bans were asked to delete the items when they got unbanned – this was not enforced (nor is it enforceable as by their own admission GMs have no ability to interact with your inventory or bank so they cannot remove them).

And if you don’t believe the latter next time you lose an item or get a bugged item, email support and read very carefully the response you get.

With mithril ore at 35c, elder wood at 30c, and fine materials at 20c (those are low estimates at the moment), it costs 15s to make a rare greatsword.

Also, I’d say that it’s probably more than 1000 rares on average.

@artorous
with the amount of money and items that have been wasted in my attempts for a precursor, I’d say people are no better off dumping exotics than rares, simply because the drop rate is so miniscule to begin with.

x120 exotic GS down the tube, only a couple named exotics to show for it (which are worthless to begin with).

lackofcheese.5617:

However, you don’t have much justification to suggest that the price is, in fact, being “artificially inflated”. The current price is reflective of the very low odds of getting a Dusk or Dawn on the Mystic Forge; if the odds were higher, the price would be lower.

Every time you make a transaction on the TP, it is done without coercion and with bilateral approval. Every time two players participate in a transaction, both players agree to that transaction and are hence equally responsible for it.

Both of your points have the same fault – you are trying to defend those playing the market while ignoring how they can sell the precursors to each other and thus artificially increase their prices by going above the real demand for those items. Someone who bought Dawn for 60k and sold it for 150k, realizing the prices are still going up, is also going to buy Dusk for 150k and try to sell it for 450k. The only players who will be able to afford this are the other players who have played the market, are not interested in actually buying the precursor itself, but would rather continue to speculate on the price of those weapons and see how far they can push them up. Considering how rare those weapons are, it’s not surprising that a few players can almost have a monopoly, by quickly buying any cheaper precursor in the market and trying to sell it for a higher price.

In other words, it’s basically an exploit that only helps to create a false gap between players who play the game normally, and would never be able to afford those prices, and the market players who have artificially inflated the price of precursors.

I’m sure you already know all of this, though. Do tell me, how many Dawns are you selling today?

I never said using exotics guranteed a precursor, I said ANet said using them had the highest chance of success. I still have yet to see any proof what so ever that exploiters are the reason for the price increase. You can’t just say something and state it’s fact with no evidence to back it up. Just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it so.

Erasculio.2914:

Both of your points have the same fault – you are trying to defend those playing the market while ignoring how they can sell the precursors to each other and thus artificially increase their prices by going above the real demand for those items.

I don’t see how the validity of my points has anything to do with who they’re defending.

I also don’t see any justification for your suggestion that the prices are, in fact, being artificially inflated. For example, the buy order for Dusk at ~316g is quite unlikely to be a trader – if they bought at that price and resold for 370g, they’d be losing money due to the 15% tax. If you want to convince anyone that the price is being artificially inflated, back it up with evidence.

Erasculio.2914:

I’m sure you already know all of this, though. Do tell me, how many Dawns are you selling today?

Zero.

I very much doubt the current precursor situation is in any way good for the community and if it’s not good for the community then it’s not good for Anet. Whatever their original intention, they have already stated that they are concerned about the prices (current ones or potential future ones), so it’s quite possible that something will change.

I also think people underestimate the consequences of not punishing the godskull cheaters. It doesn’t matter if they’re actually controling the market or if the prices are what they should be now.

Because of them, right now the entire community that’s going for a legendary wishes that they were an exploiter and if another exploit shows up every single one of them will jump on it. Not everyone jumped on the karma exploit and they were right cause those people were banned (if temporarily) but now everyone believes they can get away with it. I very much doubt Anet wants to deal with a community where everyone is just looking out for exploits.

First of all how can you benefit for having a chinese friend? (I see the joke, just not amused)

Second of all most ppl here just want an easier way to get a legendary, rigt? I mean I am all up for easy mod.. But I don’t need stuff to be fair.. If someone get an unique title, or benefit for a clever business methods (be it exploit or not) I don’t get mad and call it unfair.. Life is in general not fair, so that might be why ppl want videogames to be fair.. But lets be fair, fair is boring;)

Instead of wasting energy on posting and being angry, use it n getting your gold or on throwing exotic gs for exotic gs in the well;)

You are forgetting that price is set by supply and DEMAND – as long as people will pay more and more for an item, its price will be growing.
As many people stated before – precursors are underpriced atm, not overpriced.

If you’ve been watching the pricing trend for the precursors, they’ve jumped at an alarming pace in a very short span of time. It wasn’t supposed to happen that way.

First of all its not really an exploit, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. For it to be a bannable exploit a player the activity should be obvious and unfortunately for you, it wasn’t really obvious. The MF is a mechanic people were still learning about and it was designed to have some mystique about it, so the people using the godskull trick are not really exploiters because you cannot honestly expect them to know about the Mystic forge mechanic, since they is no frame of reference, unlike the karma exploit.

Honestly, I hope arenanet doesnt change it because people don’t have the patience to eventually get it. You cant always have what you want when you want it, if you have an issue making it Maybe consider getting other parts of the legendary you seek THEN buy it at some point when the price drops. Or keep complaining eventually Arenanet might change their minds.

Do you have any evidence that any of the buy orders are “fake”? Why on earth would they buy and sell just to their friends, at a 15% loss on each transaction?

The evidence we actually do have is that precursors are currently underpriced, based on the prices of what goes into making them. If it takes 100 level 80 exotics on average to get a precursor, precursors should cost about 100x as much as a level 80 exotic. If it takes 1000 or more level 80 rares, it should cost about 1000x as much as level 80 rares.

Several hundred gold, in other words.

Hippocampus.8470:

There’s already a thread from someone who recently got Dawn.

And if it is indeed a thousand rares on average before getting a precursor, then I’d say 300g is just about exactly right. Anything lower means it’s underpriced.

If Anet expects people to craft/buy around 1000 lvl 78+ exotics to get these precursors then thats just wrong on so many levels. I wont even mention putting rares in because the chance is probably even smaller with those.
Here is the real kicker, ectoplasms are completely sold out on the TP. Period. How would they expect people to mass produce the quantities of exotics just to get one precursor? Not enough exotics drop from mobs and are sold on the TP for someone to even buy them all up. This seems totally broken and for people to assume that over 1000 exotics is an ok amount are delusional.

Yes, 1000 exotics is ridiculous, but that’s not what he/she said.

@Hippocampus

Maybe you should start using other regions of your brain other than the hippocampus you might comprehend a little better. 375G is the equiv of 3000 rare items not 1000 making the pre-cursors currently 3x over priced as I said to you just this morning but you failed to either read or comprehend or both.

ANet should remove -all- pre-cursors which were obtained through an exploit, it would make the vast majority of the game’s community happy and the only people that would lose out are those who cheated in the first place and frankly, I don’t give a rat’s kitten about how they feel

Cisza.9540:

You are forgetting that price is set by supply and DEMAND – as long as people will pay more and more for an item, its price will be growing.
As many people stated before – precursors are underpriced atm, not overpriced.

The precursor market is too small to be balanced out. It doesn’t matter what 99.9% of us are willing to pay for it. It only takes a few irl rich people and maybe a couple of really good TP traders and they have all the buyers they need. The rest of us can just go kitten ourselves.

silvermember.8941:

First of all its not really an exploit, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant. For it to be a bannable exploit a player the activity should be obvious and unfortunately for you, it wasn’t really obvious. The MF is a mechanic people were still learning about and it was designed to have some mystique about it, so the people using the godskull trick are not really exploiters because you cannot honestly expect them to know about the Mystic forge mechanic, since they is no frame of reference, unlike the karma exploit.

Honestly, I hope arenanet doesnt change it because people don’t have the patience to eventually get it. You cant always have what you want when you want it, if you have an issue making it Maybe consider getting other parts of the legendary you seek THEN buy it at some point when the price drops. Or keep complaining eventually Arenanet might change their minds.

Look I don’t want to make this an issue about godskull exploiters but if you really think that people just assumed that getting the most expensive items on the TP through an incredibly cheap process was a completely legitimate feature of the game is maybe giving them too much credit (or too little if we’re talking about their intelligence).

Call me a cynic but I’m 100% sure that they knew exactly what they were doing. And their getting away with it wouldn’t be such a sore issue with everyone if they weren’t now being gated by the ever rising prices.

Btw, seeking other parts of a legendary first is a horrible suggestion since by the time people gather those, the prices of the precursors could rise even higher. That’s what’s personally causing me grief. If I do something other than farm the prices will go higher, if I go to sleep the prices will rise in the meantime, if I take a break from the game for a month the prices will go higher. It’s like trying to hold water in your hands, no matter what you do it keeps slipping through your fingers. It’s a horrible feeling and people hate it.

In any case the legendaries should be a testament to how much we love playing the game, not how much better we are than others at making gold.

Edit: apparently the word screw passes the kitten censor so I just replaced it :P

But this is the real endgame right here! Right??? The ultimate super-epic test of skill! Judging by current statistics, you’d only need to do that about 10-20 times on average. Yeeeeaah. Korean RNG in GW2? Really, anet?

I think everyone is a little too focused on Dawn/Dusk… not all legendary precursors are 400+ gold. Seriously check the trading post. That being said…

What we dont know:

How long did ANet intend legendary crafting to take the “average” gamer?

What we do know:

You can make about 2 gold per hour farming cursed shore and gathering ori/ancient wood/omnom/mithril/elder wood without any extraordinary luck like finding exotics, lodestones, doublons, etc..

No one knows what the future price of precursors is going to be but I am sure it will plateau eventually. At that point you will be able to calculate exactly how much time you will need to spend farming at your current play rate to get one. The market is adjusting to supply and demand for each specific precursor. In the mean time if you want THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND IN DEMAND ITEM IN THE GAME, either continue to work towards it at your own pace, or adjust your goal. Perhaps we can consider buying cheaper precursors. Some are still less than 40 gold.

If ANet intends the legendary journey to take us (the average player) 6 months to complete then the current price does not seem unreasonable as a level 80 should be able to acquire well over 400 gold over 6 months. If prices get completely out of hand and its not possible to acquire them in what ANet deems to be a reasonable amount of time for the average player, then I am sure they will tinker with the chance of creating precursors in the mystic forge so that it fits their model of how long it should take players to get them (thereby increasing supply, and lowering the price).

It would appear that 400+ gold is not out of the realm of acceptable.

Yes it is unfortunate that not everyone was lucky enough, or had the foresight to buy a precursor when they were very cheap but the market was in its infancy and the prices were still and still are heading to equilibrium.

Be patient, the game has not been out that long and the price of precursors will stabilize.

People are focused on Dawn/Dusk because the legendaries you can make with them look best. I didnt see all legendaries yet of course, but most of them dont seem to be worth the effort and look exotic at best.

Malediktus.9250:

People are focused on Dawn/Dusk because the legendaries you can make with them look best. I didnt see all legendaries yet of course, but most of them dont seem to be worth the effort and look exotic at best.

I don’t care how Quip will look like. If nothing else, I want to get it and at least show everyone else what it is, so that they can at least be saved the trouble, if it’s ugly.

lackofcheese.5617:

Yes, 1000 exotics is ridiculous, but that’s not what he/she said.

Because it is in fact based on RNG, it could easily be 100,000 for some people. That is a BAD system. STOP defending it.

Vicariuz.1605:

lackofcheese.5617:

Yes, 1000 exotics is ridiculous, but that’s not what he/she said.

Because it is in fact based on RNG, it could easily be 100,000 for some people. That is a BAD system. STOP defending it.

^

Oh, and the best video example so far:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/crafting/over-700-tries-taped/first#post416948

Need we say more?

Wow this topic still running.

What Anet should really do is simply increase the chances of getting Dusk / Dawn to let’s say, 0.3~5% with rares and 3% with exotics (all lv80)
Considering 1000 rares equal to around 150~180g, plus the rest of the materials you need to create the legendary, all in all seems like a very fair trade.

Before you flip the tables on me…
As Archer.6485 posted, “the legendaries should be a testament to how much we love playing the game, not how much better we are than others at making gold.”
Which is what Anet actually intended according to their li.. I mean description about retrieving a legendary.

over 400g spent on a cool skin is more than enough.
The effort it takes to make that much is actually more than it took to make 1k platinum in gw1 for FoW armor, and guess what – no RNG was involved!

There is no need for such a ludicrous goal to exist, I believe many will agree with me.

@ Vicariuz.1605 :“It could easily be 100,000 for some people.”

No, it couldn’t. While it is technically possible to be 100k for someone, the likelihood of that happening is 3.5×10^-44. For comparison, this is about the same likelihood as shuffling a deck of 38 cards repeatedly (to completely randomize it), and then discover that it is in fact perfectly in order. Calling this “easily” possible is a ridiculous misuse of the word “easily”.

@ Paladine.6082 : “375G is the equiv of 3000 rare items not 1000 making the pre-cursors currently 3x over priced as I said to you just this morning but you failed to either read or comprehend or both.”

I read it and comprehended it just fine. I chose to ignore it because you’re wrong. The level 80 rare greatswords currently available on the TP are all between 20s and 40s, so 1000 of them are worth between 200g and 400g. Where are you getting this idea that an 80 rare is worth only 12s50c?

Hippocampus.8470:

@ Vicariuz.1605 :“It could easily be 100,000 for some people.”

No, it couldn’t. While it is technically possible to be 100k for someone, the likelihood of that happening is 3.5×10^-44. For comparison, this is about the same likelihood as shuffling a deck of 38 cards repeatedly (to completely randomize it), and then discover that it is in fact perfectly in order. Calling this “easily” possible is a ridiculous misuse of the word “easily”.

It’s just as much a misuse of “easily” as it is “difficult” to get a precursor through the RNG forge.
You can show me all the probability equations you want, but the fact is, you are NEVER guaranteed a precursor no matter how many attempts you make. I would know after dropping 220 exotic 80s into the forge for a profit of ZERO.

You’re never guaranteed a drop from any mob you kill no matter how many attempts you make. That doesn’t mean anything is intrinsically broken.

Hippocampus.8470:

You’re never guaranteed a drop from any mob you kill no matter how many attempts you make. That doesn’t mean anything is intrinsically broken.

your not losing anything by getting a drop. You are losing assets through the mystic forge, until it randomly decides to do the opposite.

Hippocampus.8470:

You’re never guaranteed a drop from any mob you kill no matter how many attempts you make. That doesn’t mean anything is intrinsically broken.

It’s broken, because it takes the CONTROL (most important thing in any game) out of the player’s hands, and puts it into a probability variable. Say no to Korean RNG, give me a guaranteed recipe for 500g if that’s what it takes, but please remove this stupid Korean RNG.

You don’t have any control over what a mob drops either, is my point. (And yes, you lose time if you kill a lot of mobs without anything nice. Which is actually pretty important, since time is the limiting factor that pretty much runs the GW2 economy.)

The prices of precursors seem to have peaked and are now stabilizing. Everyone can relax now and get back to farming the gold or plugging rares/exotics into the mystic forge.