T5 fine material promotion - worth it?

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Posted by: Oglethorpe.5369

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Going after Eye of Rodgort – 500 Powerful Blood is a pretty heavy task.

Farming in Southsun for an hour at a time usually gets me 2-3 Powerful Blood and anywhere from 10-20 Potent Blood. Is it worth it to promote?

Even if it yields only 5 Powerful Bloods, figure that’s a total of ~1g output. 50x Potent Blood is ~75s, 5x Cystalline Dust is ~35s, and 20s for the Powerful Blood put in, for a total of ~1.3g. Ideally, I wouldn’t be paying for ANY of this, as the Blood/Dust would already be saved up.

So, 6 Powerful Blood would be close enough to be a positive result to make this worthwhile, imo. The only thing that would suck here is the constant need for Philosopher’s stones (Rodgort needs 2 Eldritch Scrolls), although 1 skill point would get me 2 attempts.

This Potent Blood is just sitting around, only being used when I decide to use them for a chance at ectos, and there are other fine materials I can save for that purpose.

Thoughts? Just curious to see what people are/aren’t doing

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Posted by: irrimn.3192

irrimn.3192

Have you done the math to compare selling the potent blood and using that money to buy more powerful blood instead of up-crafting? You might find that you save time/money/skillpoints by just selling what you don’t need and buying what you do. Just a thought.

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Posted by: Oglethorpe.5369

Oglethorpe.5369

Have you done the math to compare selling the potent blood and using that money to buy more powerful blood instead of up-crafting? You might find that you save time/money/skillpoints by just selling what you don’t need and buying what you do. Just a thought.

That’s not a bad option. I was looking to avoid selling/buying at all, only using the prices to compare what it would normally cost to buy vs. promote and get similar results.

Also, buying means I’m at the will of the market, which is currently high for blood (up about 6s in the past week or so). If I can take what I have right now and turn it into T6, I wouldn’t have to wait for powerful blood prices to drop. It’s also a goal for the future, so with high prices now, I would only be interested in what I could get without paying for it (i.e. promotion, drops, loot bags). When the price drops or I’m close enough is when I’ll grab what’s left.

I was just interested to see if anyone does the promotion thing, but you’ve definitely given me an alternative option.

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Posted by: Direwulff.2396

Direwulff.2396

I have tried the “promotion” thing only 3 times.. but i have lost a least 30-40 s on each attempt.

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Posted by: Revan.6259

Revan.6259

In my experience with promotion, it is almost always better to sell the T5 mats and use the gold earned to buy the T6 mats. The promotion recipe just doesn’t produce enough T6 mats for it to be worth it.

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Posted by: Abriel.4103

Abriel.4103

don’t forget the catch that if you sell your T5, you automatically lose 15% of that before buying your T6

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Posted by: Rainzar.6905

Rainzar.6905

i did this quite a bit with some of the t5 mats when they were 80c to 1s. from what i read is your supposed to get between 5-12 mats however and i know people will say RNG is RNG but after about 40~ attempts and recording them something just didnt add up. i only got a 10 11 12 once each, and over 2/3 of the time i got 5 or 6 mostly 5 tho. in the case of poison sacs it still worked out profitable, powerful blood tho wasnt until the recent price jump so i guess im glad i held onto those even with the bad rng.

doesnt seem worth it atm except with maybe blood, venom and totems since the price of t5s has gone up over 1s50 across the board and most of em seem to be fluctuating alot between 1s50 and 2s all day. personally tho i’m not fond of this recipe, it just doesnt like me.

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Posted by: Black Wolf.7348

Black Wolf.7348

do the math and see if its worth the gamble. you may make money or you may lose badly. only you yourself can decide if the gamble is worth it.

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Posted by: Oglethorpe.5369

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Yep – I went ahead and did this the other day. Had 48 Potent Blood and the dust in my collection, so I figured I’d give it a shot. Needed 6 to come out on top, wound up with 5. I hate the forge so much it’s not even funny…

For anyone saying it was only one attempt, I’ve used the forge hundreds of times on masterwork/rares in the past, only ever received a decent return once (4 masterworks to a rare, which gave no ectos). I also tried saving soulbound major/superior sigils/runes from dungeons, wound up with Ogre Slaying/Nightmare Court, and some worthless runes. I know it can’t always come out great, but in my experience it’s happened once. 1/100+ is not even an option.

So, use at your own risk, but if you want my opinion, screw the forge. When you factor in the 15% loss from the trading post, I probably came out even, but still…

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Posted by: Naekuh.7925

Naekuh.7925

it really depends on the T5 mats.

Factor this u need 250 T5 mats for a chance between 20-50 T6 mats.
Factor the price of each T5 mat u can sell on the exchange, and then rebuy T6 mats were.

You will quickly find out in 95% of the case, its better for you to sell and rebuy.

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Posted by: Svarty.8019

Svarty.8019

There are spreadsheets that will tell you if it’s profitable.

Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.

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Posted by: morphemass.2850

morphemass.2850

http://ec2-174-129-236-8.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8000/gw2sp2g/

Edit: Sorry you will need to cut and paste that URL since the forum software uses the : for links – seriously?!?

Currently it costs 1g 43s 88c per conversion. I’ve found that on average I get slightly more than 6 T6 from a conversion leading me to suspect that conversion quantities are weighted towards the lower end rather than truly random 5-12. (or maybe I’m just unlucky, sample size < 50 so quite possible).

Anyways, point being it costs 1g 23s 48c to buy 6 T6 so sell the T5s and buy T6s.

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Posted by: Cain.1278

Cain.1278

Farming in Southsun for an hour at a time usually gets me 2-3 Powerful Blood and anywhere from 10-20 Potent Blood.

This is a very inefficient use of your time if you are trying to save up these mats.

Potent Blood are worth about 1.90 silver.
Powerful Blood are worth 24.85 silver.

So in a good hour you make (1.9×20) + (3×24.85) = 38 + 74.55 = 1g 12s 55c
In a bad hour you make (1.9×10) + (2×24.85) = 19 + 49.70 = 68s 70s

You can make more than that by running 1 dungeon. You’re way better off running dungeons and buying the blood you want on the TP than farming them.

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Posted by: Oglethorpe.5369

Oglethorpe.5369

Farming in Southsun for an hour at a time usually gets me 2-3 Powerful Blood and anywhere from 10-20 Potent Blood.

This is a very inefficient use of your time if you are trying to save up these mats.

Potent Blood are worth about 1.90 silver.
Powerful Blood are worth 24.85 silver.

So in a good hour you make (1.9×20) + (3×24.85) = 38 + 74.55 = 1g 12s 55c
In a bad hour you make (1.9×10) + (2×24.85) = 19 + 49.70 = 68s 70s

You can make more than that by running 1 dungeon. You’re way better off running dungeons and buying the blood you want on the TP than farming them.

I typically get home from work before guildies, leaving me with about an hour to do whatever I want before the nightly dungeon runs (I don’t do pugs). This is time I would usually spend leveling an alt, but I’ve put that aside to focus on farming for now.

I do plan on buying a good amount of them, I’m just trying to farm up what I can until the price drops some.

Good night or bad, I can get close to 20 Karka Shells an hour, which is ~1.5g. Just last night, I had no blood drop, but I counted 11 consecutive Karka Shells. I also tend to get at least 1 rare (my luck has been HORRIBLE with ectos lately though), and a slue of blues/greens/junk for salvaging Gossamer/Orichalcum. On any given day, I wind up close to 20s on top of however many shells/blood I get.

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