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Posted by: Deathjester.9841

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Prices on mats needed for the legendary will SKYROCKET. Why? Demand. You may end up paying MORE then you would now and all you will have to show for it is a very ugly precursor (most are horrid). See Mjolnir and charged lodestones. The cost of this item puts a legendary to shame due to the demand of one item. Now take this demand and multiply it by a good amount.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mjolnir

Careful what you wish for. Do you really want to sport a precursor for a year of hardcore farming? Something that looks like this?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dusk

The system is fine the way it is. You don’t have everyone rushing for one mat atm, and you can farm money and get the legendary in a reasonable amount of time.

If they cut the mats needed down, due to inflation? Then you just tick off the hardcore player base, and the people who keep this game free (no monthly fee) due to gem purchases.

I don’t have a legendary yet, thought I do have a precursor (and talking to people on my realm I appeared to spend more then most of them in the mystic forge getting it). If I am going to work towards it though? I want it to be rare. Otherwise, what’s the point? I don’t do dungeons in this game, but it doesn’t make me mad at the people whom have pve specific skins. They put in the work for them and they deserve them.

Stop crying. It is a weapon skin. The stats are nothing. In fact the stats are WORSE for many classes then a 3 gold exotic. They will be updated to ascended. Big whoop. Do you really think anet isn’t going to have ascended crafting gear, or that it won’t be a side-grade?

This game isn’t about stats. It is about skins. That alone should make most players ECSTATIC. Instead people are on here whining over someone having a weapon that they can’t easily get, that functions exactly the same as a 2 gold epic they bought off the ahouse.

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Posted by: Acidicore.3264

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I doubt they will be easily obtained. The price may drop, but it comes down to you time vs the item’s value. If you think it’ll be better to hunt for it, then you have the option, or if you believe the cost of the item is less than what it would take you to earn it, then buy it.

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Posted by: Oglaf.1074

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This game isn’t about stats. It is about skins. That alone should make most players ECSTATIC. Instead people are on here whining over someone having a weapon that they can’t easily get, that functions exactly the same as a 2 gold epic they bought off the ahouse.

Then why are you crying over T6 materials?

Just because you were lucky with Precursors you don’t want other people to get them. I doubt we’d hear you moan about this if you didn’t have one.

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Posted by: SteepledHat.1345

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Epic? What’s an epic? Anyway, this game is grindy enough as it is. Too much randomness in the process, the scavenger hunt shouldn’t be easy. It should be hard and that separates the playerbase. I want to work hard for my legendary, I just don’t want to toss a bunch of crap into a forge in LA. I want a legendary journey that lives up to it’s name. That’s why I want the change.

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Posted by: SadieDeAtreia.8912

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Making this single part of the process (obtaining the precursor weapon) more fair for everyone will not hurt the system any more than the karka event did.

The players who have multiple precursors on the TP and in inventory could be negatively affected by this type of change, true. But that is part of the risk in playing the TP.

As for mats skyrocketing… IMO only the lodestones would be an issue.

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Posted by: Charming Rogue.8071

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And everyone rushing to 1 item (Precursor) is not happening now, because….? Your logic is flawed whether it be lodestones or precursors, it’s all bad cause it’s one big grind fest. I’m all for the scavenger hunt. That being said, lodestones are starting to get out of hand too and should have at least a better drop rate for the amount required to craft a lot of weapons. Maybe make them exchangeable for dungeon tokens.

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Posted by: Deathjester.9841

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This game isn’t about stats. It is about skins. That alone should make most players ECSTATIC. Instead people are on here whining over someone having a weapon that they can’t easily get, that functions exactly the same as a 2 gold epic they bought off the ahouse.

Then why are you crying over T6 materials?

Just because you were lucky with Precursors you don’t want other people to get them. I doubt we’d hear you moan about this if you didn’t have one.

I’m not crying about t6 mat costs. I am pointing out what happens when a single item is in high demand. Are observations crying now?

I was lucky with my precursor? If by lucky you mean I spent more then I would buying it off the ahouse when I started the grind? Then yeah I am lucky. Most of the people you see crying about the mystic forge A) use rares instead of exotics (which you can buy for cheap on buy orders), have spent well under 100 gold.

The people expecting to get a 200-400 gold item for 20 gold are delusional. The people spending 150-200 gold in the mystic forge? Usually get their precursor and aren’t complaining anymore.

Of the 5 or 6 people I know who went the mystic forge route, only 1 got their precursor for well under 100 gold and used rares. The others were in the 100-200 gold range.

Half the people on this board are lying, and others point to old videos with people using rares. Add to that many of the people who sell gold/items are glad to let you think that it is impossible to get a precursor in the mystic forge.

Are you really naive enough to think these people are selling these items at a loss?

I remember someone complaining that he used 28 exotics and didn’t get it. Really? 28 whole exotics? I bought exotic rifles for 1.30 to 1.40 gold with buy orders. This is a MINIMAL investment. Unless you are going all in (at least 100-200 gold) I wouldn’t even bother with the mystic forge, and you could always farm twice as long and go the “safe route”.

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Posted by: Oglaf.1074

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See, the loose thread that unravels your entire theory is T6 materials are plentiful in comparison to stuff like Lodestones and Precursors. There’s always going to be a competitive market for sellers of T6 materials. The price might go up a few silvers, but it’ll never get as bad as Precursors or Charged Lodestones, mark my words.

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Do you even lift, bro?

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Posted by: Nappychappy.7046

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You can convert t5 to t6 all day long, what can you do to make the precursor you want or the lodestones you want? Oh that’s right GRIND and even then, you might never even get the precursor, or the lodestones.

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Posted by: Deathjester.9841

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See, the loose thread that unravels your entire theory is T6 materials are plentiful in comparison to stuff like Lodestones and Precursors. There’s always going to be a competitive market for sellers of T6 materials. The price might go up a few silvers, but it’ll never get as bad as Precursors or Charged Lodestones, mark my words.

IF that happened, then you have an even bigger problem. A ticked off hardcore playerbase. You know…the players who support this game on the gem store. The players you can’t afford to alienate.

Face it, most of the players here crying just want something for nothing. Until you have spent at LEAST 100 gold in the mystic forge trying to get a legendary precursor? You shouldn’t even be able to post about legendaries. If you got one to drop in pve? Grats you hit the lotto.

If you are using rares? You are taking a gigantic chance at risk/reward. If you are using exotics and aren’t buying them with buy orders? You are just plain stupid. It would have cost me 70 extra silver on each exotic I used if I paid the regular ahouse price.

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Posted by: Oglaf.1074

Oglaf.1074

Face it, most of the players crying about Legendaries being made “too easy” are the ones who hit the jackpot during the Karka event and made their Legendary dirty cheap, and now when the situation is FUBAR they don’t want Anet making it easier for everyone else to get one.

I can do thirty Five-Dolyak Arm Curls.

Do you even lift, bro?

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Posted by: Nappychappy.7046

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I hope the next wave of legendary’s is nothing but a huge quest line of solo mission that are insanely hard. This game has endgame, it is all about character building and you can buy it all with money.

B2P/F2P same thing, it’s gated by USD.

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Posted by: evo.8640

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I’m not crying about t6 mat costs. I am pointing out what happens when a single item is in high demand. Are observations crying now?

I was lucky with my precursor? If by lucky you mean I spent more then I would buying it off the ahouse when I started the grind? Then yeah I am lucky. Most of the people you see crying about the mystic forge A) use rares instead of exotics (which you can buy for cheap on buy orders), have spent well under 100 gold.

The people expecting to get a 200-400 gold item for 20 gold are delusional. The people spending 150-200 gold in the mystic forge? Usually get their precursor and aren’t complaining anymore.

Of the 5 or 6 people I know who went the mystic forge route, only 1 got their precursor for well under 100 gold and used rares. The others were in the 100-200 gold range.

Half the people on this board are lying, and others point to old videos with people using rares. Add to that many of the people who sell gold/items are glad to let you think that it is impossible to get a precursor in the mystic forge.

Are you really naive enough to think these people are selling these items at a loss?

I remember someone complaining that he used 28 exotics and didn’t get it. Really? 28 whole exotics? I bought exotic rifles for 1.30 to 1.40 gold with buy orders. This is a MINIMAL investment. Unless you are going all in (at least 100-200 gold) I wouldn’t even bother with the mystic forge, and you could always farm twice as long and go the “safe route”.

That’s simply not true. Anecdotal is still anecdotal. I have read posts, talked to, watched youtube vids, and seen far more excel sheet data of people blowing away 100-400g and being rewarded with no precursor in hand. Which includes using exotics. A guildmate of mine on SBI loves gambling, well did, before he ran well over 500 items – all exotic greatswords, and nothing to show for it except a few gold left on his once fairly wealthy character.

Given the statistical means of which precursors are awarded through the mystic forge currently, chances never do get better no matter how much you keep tossing items in. There will always be statistical outliers who are extremely lucky and who are extremely unlucky.

Somewhere in the middle is where people are still grossly, by most opinions unlucky. Hence the 100-400g wasted by an overwhelming majority of people who get lucky early on.

Also you can’t pin a real value on any of the main precursors because of extreme manipulation. The current price of Dusk/Dawn are manipulated prices. The price now is no more their “true” price than they were upon release at 40-60g.

At least with crafting clovers, there is measurable progress. There is no measurable progress with a precursor and for the vast majority of players who are more than capable of getting all the gifts together at some point during their GW2 career, the precursor is the odd ball out. That there’s no chance one will ever be obtained outside of purchasing it within the current game. You either have to be extremely lucky or keep trying to score on a moving goal post for certain weapons. Neither are viable or acceptable options.

The latter option being heavily weighed by the fact that you have to be a TP baron if you’d like to purchase it. Seeing as how the alternative and most common way to make money in this game is so woeful that anyone who engages in farming dungeons / events / etc. in an effort to meet these goals is masochist.

As of right now, playing the Mystic Forge for a precursor is no different than enchanting in Tera. Other than perhaps the unknown chance of success. But given that Tera championed a mirror of an extreme RNG, is a good part of the reason why over several months it dropped from 20 something NA servers to 3. Well before GW2 / Panda release.

Edit: by chances I meant items.

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Posted by: Deathjester.9841

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Face it, most of the players crying about Legendaries being made “too easy” are the ones who hit the jackpot during the Karka event and made their Legendary dirty cheap, and now when the situation is FUBAR they don’t want Anet making it easier for everyone else to get one.

Based on what? I am a player who got it from the mystic forge. In fact none of the people I know got it from the karka event. We all just WvW/spvp/farm gold in cursed shore. We all got it from the forge and it was in the 100-200 gold range.

When we talk about people who have spent 500 gold. Did they already have a precursor? Was this their second one? We have no idea what the formula is that anet uses. Maybe the second one is a pain to get to hamper gold sellers. Who knows. What I do know is every single person with a precursor on my realm has got it in the 100-200 gold range. Add to that if everyone is going for the same legendary (look at me over the top greatswords), that drop may be limited compared to other precursors.

“B2P/F2P same thing, it’s gated by USD.”

You have no idea what you are talking about. This game is not pay to win. This game has hard to get weapons with fancy skins and not stats. Add to that, you don’t have to farm PVE endlessly to compete in WvW, and you don’t have to even level to compete in spvp.

Want to know why they have stuff like legendaries? Because of server costs. You know…the same reason the other big mmo charges 15 bucks a month. IF you want to get hosed by RNG, charged 15 a month with more server downtime, and be forced to farm pve to compete in pvp (stupid trinkets with human racial), then go ahead and do that. I am happy saying goodbye to the grind. I wanted a precursor, I farmed my butt off to get it, and now I have it. What can I do now? Blow people up in WvW and have FUN in an MMO, the majority of the time I play. Something I cannot do in other games.

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Posted by: Nappychappy.7046

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“B2P/F2P same thing, it’s gated by USD.”

You have no idea what you are talking about. This game is not pay to win.

I didn’t say pay to win.

I said gated buy USD, and it is.

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Posted by: Deathjester.9841

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“B2P/F2P same thing, it’s gated by USD.”

You have no idea what you are talking about. This game is not pay to win.

I didn’t say pay to win.

I said gated buy USD, and it is.

A horizontal gear grind is not “gating”. If you want to see “gating” try playing EA’s MMO, where they lock you out of ACTION BARS (LAWL).

You do not need to pay a cent after purchase to compete in any phase of this game. RM purchases lessen the horizontal (cosmetic) gear grind.

You have two choices. A) hardcore grinding offset that grind with money.

You seem to be under the delusion that servers are free to run. They aren’t. If things like legendaries were easy to obtain then they would have to get money from something else, like “stat bonuses”. This is what other f2p MMO’s do and it is why they fail. Gear doesn’t matter in GW2. The downside to that is that they have to pay for the servers in other ways. Anet’s solution is nothing sort of brilliant.

If they remove things like hard to get legendaries? They would have to do things like stat items, pay for play instance runs, tokens for WvW etc.

If you want a legendary? Stop whining on the forum and start farming, OR buy the precursor with RM.

If you think you are hampered or gated in pve/pvp because you don’t have a pixel? I just have to laugh. That might be the most insane thing I have read on these forums and that is saying a lot…

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Posted by: Lorana.2468

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i was under the impression people dont want them easy, they just want a 100% surefire way of obtaining one.

you could throw 4 items into the forge and get your precursor
you could also throw in 5 million and not get it.
this isnt a good system at all, i’d rather kill 10,000 of X enemy because atleast then i know after every kill i progress towards it and not just praying for luck to go my way.

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

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What happens if precursors are easy? Then people will rightfully complain about lodestones. Especially charged lodestones. Which I believe is justified because the design is illogical in the first place with only 1 TEMPORARY mob in the entire game dropping it and rarely! (WHAT were they thinking!?)

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Posted by: Deathjester.9841

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i was under the impression people dont want them easy, they just want a 100% surefire way of obtaining one.

you could throw 4 items into the forge and get your precursor
you could also throw in 5 million and not get it.
this isnt a good system at all, i’d rather kill 10,000 of X enemy because atleast then i know after every kill i progress towards it and not just praying for luck to go my way.

There is a surefire way of obtaining one. It is called the auction house.

You can kill 10,000 cursed shore mobs and get one, or you can take a chance at getting it for less then the auction house on the mystic forge. No one is forcing you to use the mystic forge.

Or you could do events/instances and farm everything else you need (the other mats cost more then the ahouse precursor). By the time you have everything else? You may get one to drop. If not? You are over half done.

For the people who say “the auction house precursor is too expensive”? You have no idea how much the legendary costs and how much time is required AFTER you get the precursor. You aren’t getting a legendary anytime soon unless you are a HARDCORE player. That is why it is LEGENDARY.

Do you have this kind of time and dedication? No? Then you can buy it off the ahouse. Can’t afford it? Then skip it all together. Legendaries aren’t meant to be seen on every character. They are supposed to be something you see rarely.

As I said before. Most of the people crying would never farm all the other mats anyways. They stick their whole gold supply in the mystic forge (probably under 50 gold), and then go ballistic when they get nothing back. When you gamble, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but the house mostly wins.

If and when I finish my legendary rifle, there is no way I am getting the legendary greatsword (either of them). 1) they are too expensive/require too much time for me to do the grind twice. 2) I don’t like the way they look, and think they are over the top. Funny thing? Everyone else loves them. Then again those are probably anime fans, and I don’t like anime. Does that mean I am supposed to rage over people having 2 legendaries? If they are willing to devote that kind of time/money to multiple legendaries? More power to them. Doesn’t hurt my gameplay one bit.

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Posted by: Nappychappy.7046

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“B2P/F2P same thing, it’s gated by USD.”

You have no idea what you are talking about. This game is not pay to win.

I didn’t say pay to win.

I said gated buy USD, and it is.

A horizontal gear grind is not “gating”. If you want to see “gating” try playing EA’s MMO, where they lock you out of ACTION BARS (LAWL).

You do not need to pay a cent after purchase to compete in any phase of this game. RM purchases lessen the horizontal (cosmetic) gear grind.

You have two choices. A) hardcore grinding offset that grind with money.

You seem to be under the delusion that servers are free to run. They aren’t. If things like legendaries were easy to obtain then they would have to get money from something else, like “stat bonuses”. This is what other f2p MMO’s do and it is why they fail. Gear doesn’t matter in GW2. The downside to that is that they have to pay for the servers in other ways. Anet’s solution is nothing sort of brilliant.

If they remove things like hard to get legendaries? They would have to do things like stat items, pay for play instance runs, tokens for WvW etc.

If you want a legendary? Stop whining on the forum and start farming, OR buy the precursor with RM.

If you think you are hampered or gated in pve/pvp because you don’t have a pixel? I just have to laugh. That might be the most insane thing I have read on these forums and that is saying a lot…

I am not under any delusion, I rather this be a pay-2-play, so I got the full game, the game is gated because of gems. Drop rate “bug” is more than a month old, but who cares BIG sale on gem store tomorrow!! How long did the dye drop “bug” last? ANet practically wipes botting out and yet we are still plagued with diminishing returns. I don’t mind working for my legendary and I don’t want it handed to me, but at least let me work for something. I’ve had 8 days off for the holidays, I farmed sparks every chance I got, and I have looted 2, around 300 shocking crystals, 1 rare and few pieces of junk. I have more corrupt/molten/destroyer/crystal lodestones from god knows where…

100 lodestones 394g, precurson 300-400g t6 mats 300g+ globs 300g+

15 a month sounds pretty kitten good at this point.

Edit** What’s hardcore have to do with getting a legendary that is nearly 100% farmed? You mean you have to be a hardcore botter? I have over 1,000 hours, nearly 4k achievement points, t3, master crafter, and a good chunk of my legendary complete… Am I still just a casual begging for handouts?

PS Stop putting words in my mouth, I am not talking about being “hampered in pve/pvp” We are supposed to be able to enjoy the full game without the gem-store, but really you can’t as you have pointed out many times “Buy with RM” honestly most of the game is getting extremely boring and I probably will stop playing after I get my legendary – regardless stop putting words in my mouth to make your argument sound better.

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Posted by: Sanayumoki.3057

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i was under the impression people dont want them easy, they just want a 100% surefire way of obtaining one.

you could throw 4 items into the forge and get your precursor
you could also throw in 5 million and not get it.
this isnt a good system at all, i’d rather kill 10,000 of X enemy because atleast then i know after every kill i progress towards it and not just praying for luck to go my way.

There is a surefire way of obtaining one. It is called the auction house.

You can kill 10,000 cursed shore mobs and get one, or you can take a chance at getting it for less then the auction house on the mystic forge. No one is forcing you to use the mystic forge.

Or you could do events/instances and farm everything else you need (the other mats cost more then the ahouse precursor). By the time you have everything else? You may get one to drop. If not? You are over half done.

For the people who say “the auction house precursor is too expensive”? You have no idea how much the legendary costs and how much time is required AFTER you get the precursor. You aren’t getting a legendary anytime soon unless you are a HARDCORE player. That is why it is LEGENDARY.

Do you have this kind of time and dedication? No? Then you can buy it off the ahouse. Can’t afford it? Then skip it all together. Legendaries aren’t meant to be seen on every character. They are supposed to be something you see rarely.

As I said before. Most of the people crying would never farm all the other mats anyways. They stick their whole gold supply in the mystic forge (probably under 50 gold), and then go ballistic when they get nothing back. When you gamble, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but the house mostly wins.

If and when I finish my legendary rifle, there is no way I am getting the legendary greatsword (either of them). 1) they are too expensive/require too much time for me to do the grind twice. 2) I don’t like the way they look, and think they are over the top. Funny thing? Everyone else loves them. Then again those are probably anime fans, and I don’t like anime. Does that mean I am supposed to rage over people having 2 legendaries? If they are willing to devote that kind of time/money to multiple legendaries? More power to them. Doesn’t hurt my gameplay one bit.

The thing is some are complaining because they have all the gifts to make the legendary. I’ve spent most of my time trying to get the precursor, I spent well over 200 gold and yet nothing, i gave up went for the gifts needed and now i have everything besides the weapon…yes your right people can save up and buy it but that’s just a waste of gold in my opinion so i stick to the forge…which is also a waste of gold. Getting the gifts wasn’t the problem for me…the weapon is. At the moment it doesn’t feel very legendary just a waste of time. No matter what you or others say it should have a more SOLID way of getting one like the gifts needed and i don’t see that being a problem. I’ve put my time into it i should get what i wanted end of story. This isn’t me crying over not getting a silly skin this is me saying I’ve spent as much if not more time than others and yet still waiting on a weapon that i consider not as important than everything else to drop, which i find very very sad. (This does have a Tera Feel to it, even they had to change up the RNG slightly when the game came out just so it wasn’t a full waste of time)

Edit: And by the way how does liking a sword make you a Anime fan…..i really don’t get the logic in that i would love to understand what you meant by that.

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Posted by: morphemass.2850

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I have everything bar the precursor for my Mesmer, most of my guild mates are in a similar position. Scavenger hunt, January please.

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Posted by: Vol.5241

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I agree OP, I’ve been seeing this for a bit.

I’m working on Sunrise at the moment but as soon as I finish it I hope to invest in lodestones and T6 mats. You have to worry about lodestones though – the price right now is ridiculous and it’s obvious that Arenanet will increase supply. But even with an increase of supply, the demand may be so large that the price will STILL increase.

The bigger question though is how ‘easy’ this scavenger hunt is. If it’s something like a 100 quest line, then that’s ‘easy’. The supply will increase suddenly over a few days.

But if it’s still something tough, like getting all badges from all dungeons, plus 500 badges from WvW as well as some mystic forge recipe combining the use of 200 SP, 250 obsidian shards and some other time consuming token, then…that will be very daunting and you won’t see a huge price decrease.

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Posted by: Kromica.2831

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I don’t think anyone has to worry the scavenger hunt will be nothing more than a different huge grind, after all this is grind wars 2.