Guild Wars 2

The Fall of Abaddon was an event that happened before GW1. History has it that he started a war with the other gods, and lost. So let’s see…

- There are 5 other gods whom Abaddon fought
- GW2 parties are set at 5.
- FotM instance to look at the historic fight

I can only conclude that when Evon wins, this FotM map will have you playing as one of the 5 gods: Balthazar • Dwayna • Grenth • Lyssa • Melandru

There’s nothing official, as Anet won’t even begin to code anything until after the election. But just in case this is true… VOTE EVON!

#Evon4Council

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The Fall of Abaddon was an event that happened before GW1. History has it that he started a war with the other gods, and lost. So let’s see…

- There are 5 other gods whom Abaddon fought
- GW2 parties are set at 5.
- FotM instance to look at the historic fight

I can only conclude that when Evon wins, this FotM map will have you playing as one of the 5 gods: Balthazar • Dwayna • Grenth • Lyssa • Melandru

There’s nothing official, as Anet won’t even begin to code anything until after the election. But just in case this is true… VOTE EVON!

#Evon4Council

Leave the dead human gods dead! No use for tyranny of the gods, a vote for evon is a vote for Tyranny! Vote Kiel for Freedom!

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

They got turned into Elder Dragons.

Huehuehuehuehue

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

Their largest temples were corrupted by an elder dragon, and they didnt even say boo. The gods are gone, your in denial. The age of silly superstition is over. Kiel for progress!

Farzo.8410:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

They got turned into Elder Dragons.

Huehuehuehuehue

Please go away, that is the most unfounded pice of speculation that exists within GW2. There are just so many reasons why that is false – including but not limited to the fact that the Elder Dragons and the Gods both existed at the same time with Arah being built on top of Zhaitain.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Farzo.8410:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

They got turned into Elder Dragons.

Huehuehuehuehue

Please go away, that is the most unfounded pice of speculation that exists within GW2. There are just so many reasons why that is false – including but not limited to the fact that the Elder Dragons and the Gods both existed at the same time with Arah being built on top of Zhaitain.

You are correct that he’s wrong. However it should be noted the gods didnt even seem to know about the elder dragons, they were not around the last time they woke up, the dragons vastly predate the little human gods, who are gone now, yet the elder dragons remain

playing AS the gods may seem quite far-fetched, or rather, hard to implement from a technical perspective i feel.

what if they added a mechanic where each player would get a buff from respective gods, which are required for certain mechanics to beat the boss of the fractal? or certain bits to advance in the dungeon? at the same time, it’s the labs way of emulating what happened then.

Shemsu.8721:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Farzo.8410:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

They got turned into Elder Dragons.

Huehuehuehuehue

Please go away, that is the most unfounded pice of speculation that exists within GW2. There are just so many reasons why that is false – including but not limited to the fact that the Elder Dragons and the Gods both existed at the same time with Arah being built on top of Zhaitain.

You are correct that he’s wrong. However it should be noted the gods didnt even seem to know about the elder dragons, they were not around the last time they woke up, the dragons vastly predate the little human gods, who are gone now, yet the elder dragons remain

They are neither weak nor little. Personally, I think they are fighting a greater menace that poses a threat to the whole of the Mists and all life: the enemy that chased them and humanity from their original homeworld and their allies – probably Dhuum, Menzies, and vast hordes of demons.

And I highly doubt it would ever be us as gods vs Abaddon. More likely Forgotten or Orrian soldiers racing to the Temple of the Six Gods to stop Abaddon’s Margonite High Priest from completing the ritual that would shatter the Gates of Heaven.

Thalador.4218:

Shemsu.8721:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Farzo.8410:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

They got turned into Elder Dragons.

Huehuehuehuehue

Please go away, that is the most unfounded pice of speculation that exists within GW2. There are just so many reasons why that is false – including but not limited to the fact that the Elder Dragons and the Gods both existed at the same time with Arah being built on top of Zhaitain.

You are correct that he’s wrong. However it should be noted the gods didnt even seem to know about the elder dragons, they were not around the last time they woke up, the dragons vastly predate the little human gods, who are gone now, yet the elder dragons remain

They are neither weak nor little. Personally, I think they are fighting a greater menace that poses a threat to the whole of the Mists and all life: the enemy that chased them and humanity from their original homeworld and their allies – probably Dhuum, Menzies, and vast hordes of demons.

And I highly doubt it would ever be us as gods vs Abaddon. More likely Forgotten or Orrian soldiers racing to the Temple of the Six Gods to stop Abaddon’s Margonite High Priest from completing the ritual that would shatter the Gates of Heaven.

Nice story. Too bad everything we do know contradicts it. Their greatest temples in tyria corrupted by a force that is older and stronger than them, and they do nothing? Ohh right the greater menace, yeah….. I know they are weak, because they do nothing

Shemsu.8721:

Thalador.4218:

Shemsu.8721:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Farzo.8410:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The gods aren’t dead. They’re just AFK. Don’t go spreading false rumors.

They got turned into Elder Dragons.

Huehuehuehuehue

Please go away, that is the most unfounded pice of speculation that exists within GW2. There are just so many reasons why that is false – including but not limited to the fact that the Elder Dragons and the Gods both existed at the same time with Arah being built on top of Zhaitain.

You are correct that he’s wrong. However it should be noted the gods didnt even seem to know about the elder dragons, they were not around the last time they woke up, the dragons vastly predate the little human gods, who are gone now, yet the elder dragons remain

They are neither weak nor little. Personally, I think they are fighting a greater menace that poses a threat to the whole of the Mists and all life: the enemy that chased them and humanity from their original homeworld and their allies – probably Dhuum, Menzies, and vast hordes of demons.

And I highly doubt it would ever be us as gods vs Abaddon. More likely Forgotten or Orrian soldiers racing to the Temple of the Six Gods to stop Abaddon’s Margonite High Priest from completing the ritual that would shatter the Gates of Heaven.

Nice story. Too bad everything we do know contradicts it. Their greatest temples in tyria corrupted by a force that is older and stronger than them, and they do nothing? Ohh right the greater menace, yeah….. I know they are weak, because they do nothing

Extrimists like you are the worst. They make Kiel look bad, and I’d rather lose your vote for Gnashblade’s support than to let you stain everything she stands for.

I see you’re fairly new to the lore.The gods pulled out because of reasons unknown. It could be Elder Dragons – their fear of causing apocalyptic devastation in their struggle with them and the impossible power boost the dragons could gain in case they won -, the greater menace I mentioned, or something else altogether. They are not weak. Abaddon alone would’ve been able to corrupt the entire world in a matter of days had he broken free. What did the ED do? Zhaitan got lucky and woke up on a bunch of corpses. If Orr hadn’t been sunk, the Orrians might have kicked his kitten the moment he rose. Primordus has been confined to the Depths for 250 years by stone dwarves whose numbers only dwindle. Jormag’s tooth was knocked out by a single norn. Kralkatorrik was almost killed in a battle against six and his own dragon champion. The dragons are nowhere near as terrible and powerful as you, a doomspeaking dragon-lover, lies them to be. In a matter of years, they’ll all be rotting carcasses in a desert, the bowels of Tyria, the deepest trenches of the ocean, the jungle, and the frozen wastes.

The gods are not in the Mists, so probably not in their godly realms. They can’t do much from another planet or something when their immediate gateway to Tyria is in their realms and the Rift. Not all the gods can fight Zhaitan’s necrotic corruption, but for instance, the similarity between Grenth’s and Zhaitan’s powers resulted in a struggle between god and dragon. Grenth didn’t let his temple to be corrupted oh-so-easily. His mere residual presence combated the dragon for over a 100 years and prevailed more or less.

1) I don’t see how the mechanics of playing as a god is hard. The player’s skill bar would simply be replaced with unique skills, and the avatar is easily changed. In GW1, there were god-mode forms that players could transform into. Anet could simply take that look, and re-work it into GW2

2) With the gods leaving, they could just be allowing the races of Tyria to push back the Elder Dragons on their own. Perhaps the gods have that much faith in the people. Considering all races allied to take down Zhaitan, there’s no real need for the gods intervention.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

1) I don’t see how the mechanics of playing as a god is hard. The player’s skill bar would simply be replaced with unique skills, and the avatar is easily changed. In GW1, there were god-mode forms that players could transform into. Anet could simply take that look, and re-work it into GW2

I should point out that the developers do not like replacing the profession skills from the player (apparently a lot of players hate this). They may make an exception for some things, but I think they might want to allow the players to keep their skills for the profession they chose.

Here is reason i think gods are no longer on this plane. Gods have a lot of magical energy , dragons are drawn to magical energies. So where ever gods are dragons would attack. I think it lines up with store of dragon who ate the sun legend. Why would the sun want to be in same area where dragon wants to eat them. Halloween celebration was complements of Grenth for those who don’t know giving Mad king portions of Underworld to use for festivities. They still have active presence.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

1) I don’t see how the mechanics of playing as a god is hard. The player’s skill bar would simply be replaced with unique skills, and the avatar is easily changed. In GW1, there were god-mode forms that players could transform into. Anet could simply take that look, and re-work it into GW2

Issue: the fractals – both in lore and gameplay – don’t work like that at all. They are echoes of the past, and even when we became pseudo-charr in the alternate Searing, we retained our skills, traits, magical aptitude… everything. (I think it was actually Dessa’s trick to make us look charr, so our “allies” would not smite us on sight.) It is incomprehensible that we would become the gods themselves, even briefly, as a faint memory of Tyria. Since we and the gods are separate entities – different personalities, magic, soul, etc.

It would also be a pretty silly that our level of magical power jumps a gazillion levels for 30 mins then drops back to the original level – with the energy going nowhere. Yeah, it’s a fantasy world, but even physics have to remain believable up to some point.

But still, if we get FoA, imagine the surprise of both the Margonites, Forgotten, and Orrians upon seeing what leet skills we use (hello +1326 years of advanced magical theory).

Fractals are an echo of the past, played out in the present. Playing as one of the 5 gods would fit into this idea. And replacing skills isn’t something new. Costume brawl, Keg brawl, Sanctum Sprint, Hunger Games (beta test finale), upcoming Southsun Survival, WvW, etc., all have your skills replaced. I’ve never heard any players upset with this.

Fafnir.5124:

Here is reason i think gods are no longer on this plane. Gods have a lot of magical energy , dragons are drawn to magical energies. So where ever gods are dragons would attack. I think it lines up with store of dragon who ate the sun legend. Why would the sun want to be in same area where dragon wants to eat them. Halloween celebration was complements of Grenth for those who don’t know giving Mad king portions of Underworld to use for festivities. They still have active presence.

Good point, i did the asura story line to round out achieves, and saw how dragons and their minions consume magic. Lets also not forget about zhaitan’s ‘mouths’ that ate magical artifacts. Then there is the lyss temple priest that says the gods have been consumed (though, thats supposedly a lie).

There are plenty of theories on the gods fate. Maybe they were eaten by one dragon each, not killed, but slowly being drained in the stomach. Killing zhaitan released one, bu they are too weak to return atm and recooperating.

Though, this falls flat sinc its been a year and all we killed was one dragon, the fate of the last god trap is really bleak. On tbe other hand, the first one being already too weak to appear is pretty sad. Either way, i hope its kormir.

Lets also not forget the one that should not be counted…

This is exactly what i thought! 5 gods, 5 players.

There was two parts in the game where you can see an Avatar of Balthazar in Guild Wars 2 .

One during one of the Charr Storyline. And you can become one during one of the Durmand Priory storyline .

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Avatar_of_Balthazar
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Misplaced_Faith
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Ghost_Rite

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Fractals are an echo of the past, played out in the present. Playing as one of the 5 gods would fit into this idea. And replacing skills isn’t something new. Costume brawl, Keg brawl, Sanctum Sprint, Hunger Games (beta test finale), upcoming Southsun Survival, WvW, etc., all have your skills replaced. I’ve never heard any players upset with this.

Read it again. Slowly this time:

They are echoes of the past, and even when we became pseudo-charr in the alternate Searing, we retained our skills, traits, magical aptitude… everything. (I think it was actually Dessa’s trick to make us look charr, so our “allies” would not smite us on sight.) It is incomprehensible that we would become the gods themselves, even briefly, as a faint memory of Tyria. Since we and the gods are separate entities – different personalities, magic, soul, etc.

It would also be a pretty silly that our level of magical power jumps a gazillion levels for 30 mins then drops back to the original level – with the energy going nowhere. Yeah, it’s a fantasy world, but even physics have to remain believable up to some point.

Simply proof that in that part of tyria history human gods aren’t dead:
1. All the human raciall skils – if gods was dead so why prayers to them have effect?
2. Priory storyline – we are transformed into avatar of Balthazar – tell if it could have any power if balthazar wouldn’t be alive?

risen priests are under control of the dragon and dragon lied to them – that’s why they call that gods have been consumed

btw. to anyone wondering why gods leaved – Guild Wars Nightfall – last two misiion cinematics (Gate of Madness ending cinematic and last misiion ending cinematic)

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Simply proof that in that part of tyria history human gods aren’t dead:
1. All the human raciall skils – if gods was dead so why prayers to them have effect?
2. Priory storyline – we are transformed into avatar of Balthazar – tell if it could have any power if balthazar wouldn’t be alive?

risen priests are under control of the dragon and dragon lied to them – that’s why they call that gods have been consumed

btw. to anyone wondering why gods leaved – Guild Wars Nightfall – last two misiion cinematics (Gate of Madness ending cinematic and last misiion ending cinematic)

human racials could just kittenoes of the past, magic left inside humans by the gods. Not to mention how terrible they are, many people take other races specifically because humans have no good racials. It says something that despite wielding the ‘powers of the gods’ humans have the worst racials in the game, the races who dont have god powers, have more power in their natural abilities

Don’t be a fool: vote Gnashblade. He’s a capitalist of high esteem.

Thalador.4218:

Read it again. Slowly this time:

They are echoes of the past, and even when we became pseudo-charr in the alternate Searing, we retained our skills, traits, magical aptitude… everything. (I think it was actually Dessa’s trick to make us look charr, so our “allies” would not smite us on sight.) It is incomprehensible that we would become the gods themselves, even briefly, as a faint memory of Tyria. Since we and the gods are separate entities – different personalities, magic, soul, etc.

It would also be a pretty silly that our level of magical power jumps a gazillion levels for 30 mins then drops back to the original level – with the energy going nowhere. Yeah, it’s a fantasy world, but even physics have to remain believable up to some point.

Fractals are an echo of the past, played out in the present. Playing as one of the 5 gods would fit into this idea. And replacing skills isn’t something new. Costume brawl, Keg brawl, Sanctum Sprint, Hunger Games (beta test finale), upcoming Southsun Survival, WvW, etc., all have your skills replaced. I’ve never heard any players upset with this.

Playing the fractal would be like playing a completely different character, It be weird seeing Dwayna fighting with death magic and Balthazar shooting butterflies at people. We might be Scions, or avatars, but I think playing as the gods themselves would be a bit much.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Thalador.4218:

Read it again. Slowly this time:

They are echoes of the past, *and even when we became pseudo-charr in the alternate Searing, we retained our skills, traits, magical aptitude… everything.* (I think it was actually Dessa’s trick to make us look charr, so our “allies” would not smite us on sight.) *It is incomprehensible that we would become the gods themselves, even briefly, as a faint memory of Tyria.* _*Since we and the gods are separate entities – different personalities, magic, soul, etc.*_

_It would also be a pretty silly that our level of magical power jumps a gazillion levels for 30 mins then drops back to the original level – *with the energy going nowhere.* Yeah, it’s a fantasy world, but even physics have to remain believable up to some point._

Fractals are an echo of the past, played out in the present. Playing as one of the 5 gods would fit into this idea. And replacing skills isn’t something new. Costume brawl, Keg brawl, Sanctum Sprint, Hunger Games (beta test finale), upcoming Southsun Survival, WvW, etc., all have your skills replaced. I’ve never heard any players upset with this.

*cough* Canach/Null fight *cough cough*

Shemsu.8721:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Simply proof that in that part of tyria history human gods aren’t dead:
1. All the human raciall skils – if gods was dead so why prayers to them have effect?
2. Priory storyline – we are transformed into avatar of Balthazar – tell if it could have any power if balthazar wouldn’t be alive?

risen priests are under control of the dragon and dragon lied to them – that’s why they call that gods have been consumed

btw. to anyone wondering why gods leaved – Guild Wars Nightfall – last two misiion cinematics (Gate of Madness ending cinematic and last misiion ending cinematic)

human racials could just kittenoes of the past, magic left inside humans by the gods. Not to mention how terrible they are, many people take other races specifically because humans have no good racials. It says something that despite wielding the ‘powers of the gods’ humans have the worst racials in the game, the races who dont have god powers, have more power in their natural abilities

@Navzar not only him – in Human storyline we can chose the mission where we are receiving help from “well gifted” Grenth Priestess – who in the name of grenth opened portal to the underwolrd to call spirit of one dead person for questioning – so that also proofs that grenth have to be alive.

and also – in Priory storyline after fall of the Claw island we are using old artifact to bacome avatar of Balthazar – by all means of word “avatar” that could not be possible by just sugested here “echo of power”

btw I was using by very long time Reaper of Grenth Elite…
and I know many many ppl who when goes farming are using Hound of Balthazar.

also there are ppl who are using Prayer to dwayna.
so argument that “human racial skills is so weak that nobody uses them” are invalid

The skillbars would be interesting to see…

1. Smite.
2. Smite again.
3. Smite number 5. (3 sir.) 3.
4. Launch giant wooden rabbit.
5. Arrow cart.

VOLKON.1290:

The skillbars would be interesting to see…

1. Smite.
2. Smite again.
3. Smite number 5. (3 sir.) 3.
4. Launch giant wooden rabbit.
5. Arrow cart.

+1 for your Holy Hand Grenade reference.

Speaking of “Holy”, nothing is better than seeing a bunch of gods fighting each other.

Since I believe that there is not proof, (I could be wrong I don’t follow the lore super closely.) that Grenth was the god of death when Abaddon was defeated, I would like to believe that we get to play as or see Dhuum fighting Abaddon because Dhuum is way cooler.
(Let’s face it, Dhuum with his awesome scythe is way better than Grenth.)

allpiesaresquare.8203:

Since I believe that there is not proof, (I could be wrong I don’t follow the lore super closely.) that Grenth was the god of death when Abaddon was defeated, I would like to believe that we get to play as or see Dhuum fighting Abaddon because Dhuum is way cooler.
(Let’s face it, Dhuum with his awesome scythe is way better than Grenth.)

Oh I’m wrong, just visited Dhuum’s wiki page
“Long before the Exodus of the Gods, Dhuum was challenged and usurped by the half-god Grenth and seven heroes who followed him and was struck down”

Vahkris.6847:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

1) I don’t see how the mechanics of playing as a god is hard. The player’s skill bar would simply be replaced with unique skills, and the avatar is easily changed. In GW1, there were god-mode forms that players could transform into. Anet could simply take that look, and re-work it into GW2

I should point out that the developers do not like replacing the profession skills from the player (apparently a lot of players hate this). They may make an exception for some things, but I think they might want to allow the players to keep their skills for the profession they chose.

You should also note that FotM is one of the few places in GW2 where they do exactly this. The water fractal has the dolphin phase (although it isn’t a combat phase).