Guild Wars 2

It’s a pretty bad idea to have people who don’t even run fractals get to determine which fractal is made on the basis of “we like Ellen better, Evon is evil!” and cheaper waypoint costs, don’t you think?

I’m not looking forward to an inquest reactor fractal when I already run an inquest reactor dungeon nearly every day.

Totally agree. It’s like WvW guys deciding which will be the next tPvP map.

We should get both fractals to be fair, or only be able to vte for the order which they make first.

It’s likely that Kiel will win because of nonsense reasons (simple simpathy, boobs, Wp costs). I don’t like to play that another asura fractal with the feeling ‘I could be fighting a god right now’.

I run fractals on a regular basis and I played GW1. I have no interest in the abaddon fractal. I understand why others are but I just don’t.

I’d rather go for the new one of infinite possibilities than the classic gw1 one that will more than likely never be capable of living up to the magnitude of hype everyone is placing on it.

Cayenne.6809:

I run fractals on a regular basis and I played GW1. I have no interest in the abaddon fractal. I understand why others are but I just don’t.

I’d rather go for the new one of infinite possibilities than the classic gw1 one that will more than likely never be capable of living up to the magnitude of hype everyone is placing on it.

I will try to tell you once again. This is not the GW1 battle, this is the one where he gets defeated by the other gods. Mkay?

And we already have tons of asuran content, this could bring nothing new.

Gandarel.5091:

Cayenne.6809:

I run fractals on a regular basis and I played GW1. I have no interest in the abaddon fractal. I understand why others are but I just don’t.

I’d rather go for the new one of infinite possibilities than the classic gw1 one that will more than likely never be capable of living up to the magnitude of hype everyone is placing on it.

I will try to tell you once again. This is not the GW1 battle, this is the one where he gets defeated by the other gods. Mkay?

And we already have tons of asuran content, this could bring nothing new.

Still, the gods are old lore, I’d rather they leave the gods shrouded in mystery and explore new lore.

The Thaumanova isnt new lore either, we already know the aftermath as it exists in the game. Go to Metrica provice.

While, we have actually never seen what the 6 gods looked like.
We only saw their avatars or statues created by humans in GW1, the real gods would be new content.
All of the above is still speculation but keep in mind the fractal hasnt even started yet which means we could sway the devs into developing their true forms.

ZilentNight.5089:

While, we have actually never seen what the 6 gods looked like.
We only saw their avatars or statues created by humans in GW1, the real gods would be new content.

Things like that is why I feel the abaddon fractal has no hope of living up to the hype. Keeping something to the players imagination allows it to be as epic as the player wants. Once you place the gods in game rather than statues and avatars, I just see them instantly becoming less cool.

I understand why people want it though and I have no problems with them voting for Evon. I have many friends and guildmates doing just that. But I’ll be voting for Kiel. To each their own.

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

Made a thread of this near the beginning of the event. I knew Kiel would win just because she is an attractive woman, human, and the good guy, while Evon is a stereotypical evil charr. Fractals got tied in with this stupid rp nonsense, and even though the Abaddon fractal was far more popular, it stood no chance because the vast majority of casual players don’t give a crap about fractals (or even knew the vote affected them, since as far as I know there was little to no notice in game, outside of perhaps a small optional dialogue when talking to the candidates).

Vayra.3290:

Gandarel.5091:

Cayenne.6809:

I run fractals on a regular basis and I played GW1. I have no interest in the abaddon fractal. I understand why others are but I just don’t.

I’d rather go for the new one of infinite possibilities than the classic gw1 one that will more than likely never be capable of living up to the magnitude of hype everyone is placing on it.

I will try to tell you once again. This is not the GW1 battle, this is the one where he gets defeated by the other gods. Mkay?

And we already have tons of asuran content, this could bring nothing new.

Still, the gods are old lore, I’d rather they leave the gods shrouded in mystery and explore new lore.

All lore is about old things. If you mean information we haven’t had before, then this is still new lore because we know so little about it.

As for the voting, if they really wanted to know what we wanted they would have split it up instead of this candidate thing. I.E. to vote for a fractal, you have to run fractals to get the votes.

Enough of this. The same could be said in the other direction, but I don’t see nearly as many complaints from the Kiel voters…even the ones (and there are more than you want to believe) who are voting for her specifically for the fractal. Maybe the Kiel voters are busier collecting tokens and actually voting.

There are people who don’t do fractals who are voting for Evon because they like Charr, or they want cheaper keys, or Gnashblade rezzed them in the candidate trials and Kiel didn’t. Why aren’t you critical of their votes as well?

^That still goes with the idea of not tying Fractals in with the vote though.

Yeah, I really want the Abaddon fractal, and hate that they’ve made it one or the other.

The thing is players have many reasons to vote for Kiel, and only one real reason to vote for Evon.

Kiel: cheaper WP, “fall of RNG”, reactor fractal, she is a girl, has boobs, cute, not charr, sympathy – yes these are reasons for shallow people, and btw we knew her for some months

Evon: Fall of Abaddon – and he could stil make it to 48%. Think about it.

Cayenne.6809:

infinite possibilities

Whirly Golems VS Fist launchy Golems

…or both!

Maybe we’ll see some nade tossing inquest.

Yep and a slightly altered version of CoE, because let’s not forget it, CoE was built to continue the research of TR.

And hey, what do you know ? They didn’t make this one explode. Logic dictates that whatever made TR explode probably wasn’t that interesting (because Asura don’t care about dangerous experiments), and that if it was so deeply needed to the lore, they wouldn’t showcase it in a fractal, but rather a living story, and risk it’s development.

On the other hand, a living story about a fight between god might not be the best idea for GW2 (would have been nice in GW1). But it does fit a fractal, something short and vague.

Devildoc.6721:

It’s a pretty bad idea to have people who don’t even run fractals get to determine which fractal is made on the basis of “we like Ellen better, Evon is evil!” and cheaper waypoint costs, don’t you think?

I’m not looking forward to an inquest reactor fractal when I already run an inquest reactor dungeon nearly every day.

how do you know this?
show me a link

Scarletdawn.2750:

Devildoc.6721:

It’s a pretty bad idea to have people who don’t even run fractals get to determine which fractal is made on the basis of “we like Ellen better, Evon is evil!” and cheaper waypoint costs, don’t you think?

I’m not looking forward to an inquest reactor fractal when I already run an inquest reactor dungeon nearly every day.

how do you know this?
show me a link

How about you grow a brain and just take a look at what is known from the aftermath of the explosion that we see every single day every half an hour. You can talk to the NPC’s around the current Thaumanova you know. An NPC south of the Reactor says the prime suspect is the Inquest, the Researcher LITERALLY right outside the east exit of the Reactor, you know the one who says “when the reactor blew…” says the inquest did it and that it was a city once but the Inquest had a secret lab underneath. Rooba herself, who leads the cleanup events that happen every half an hour says this was an inquest facility. During her event, inquest try to stop her, as well. Let’s not forget the fact that there’s a “secret” Asura gate that leads to the main Inquest compound in Metrica Province on the other side of the map. The Inquest had a secret backdoor to the reactor in other words. Even the structure of the reactor itself, it has an ice room (Jormag: Zone white), a water room (Bubbles: Zone blue), and a jungle room (Mordramoth: Zone green). It’s missing a Zhaitan room (zone black), Primordus room (zone red), and a Kralkatorrik room (zone purple), which were likely buried by the explosion on the north side. Know what other reactor has zones like that that correspond to Elder Dragons and is an inquest facility? The Infinity Coil Reactor, where CoE takes place.

If you can’t read between the lines, I feel sorry for you. If Thaumanova is a complete and utter mystery to you, you either haven’t played the game and explored, or you are just not reading between the lines or paying attention at all.

Devildoc.6721:

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Awesome! Since you know everything already I have some questions for you.

Can you continue on and explain where the chaos magic came from in the reactor?

I’m also curious about why the space time continuum is completely out of whack in the area, How are people and creatures being teleported across the entire world to land there? And if this could mean a new form of teleportation not using asuran gates? Perhaps some personal transporters?

I’ve also heard that the reactor “explosion” was not a malfunction of machinery but rather the cause of a dragon (Perhaps Mordramoth?) Is it possible that the dragon or dragons attacked the entire society because they were getting too close to the truth of the dragons?

One of the developers also dropped a tidbit about the reactor saying that it has a connection to all 6 of the dragons, will the 5 we haven’t seen make an appearance in this fractal? Does this mean that we will finally see the earth dragon? or get official names for them all? Will we be fighting the dragons in this fractal or their minions?

Also It would seem strange to fight inquest in this since they all die anyways. Does that mean we will be, becoming asurans for this fractal? Perhaps in an effort to save the city? Or will we be the dragons themselves? (or minions) Pillaging and destroying the city underfoot, because that could be pretty fun too.

I’m also curious… If the Elder dragons fed so much on the magical energy of the world over many millenia that they, not the magical energy itself became the magic that the city of the gods was built upon (at least one of the dragons). Then my question is this, we’ve already killed an elder dragon, what would happen to the magic of the world if we killed them all? They seem to be a source of magic more powerful than all the shards of the Bloodstone if that amount were destroyed would it filter back into the world to make all magic users that much more powerful? would it disappear forever? Could we, without regaining the bloodstone even attempt such a feat? Even the Seer’s, Dwarves, Forgotten, and Mursaat combined with the intact bloodstone were not enough to defeat all of the Elder dragons.

Personally,

I would rather see them install a new dungeon then a fractal. Sadly, it’s easier to get into a dungeon, then a low level fractal. Plus, a dungeon would bring new skins, armor and weapons. Fractals really need a reworking in order to bring their appeal back, personally, they need to scrap agony, make it scale to the average of the fractal levels of the group, dish out rewards based on reward level.

This way, if my fractal level 29 buddy wants to take his level 2 buddy with him, he doesn’t get penalized for it.

I believe this would increase its appeal.

folly dragon.4126:

Personally,

I would rather see them install a new dungeon then a fractal. Sadly, it’s easier to get into a dungeon, then a low level fractal. Plus, a dungeon would bring new skins, armor and weapons. Fractals really need a reworking in order to bring their appeal back, personally, they need to scrap agony, make it scale to the average of the fractal levels of the group, dish out rewards based on reward level.

This way, if my fractal level 29 buddy wants to take his level 2 buddy with him, he doesn’t get penalized for it.

I believe this would increase its appeal.

This is a great idea. Either way the fractal system needs a revamp. Too few people seem to bother with it.

Lokki.1092:

Devildoc.6721:

-snip-

Awesome! Since you know everything already I have some questions for you.

Can you continue on and explain where the chaos magic came from in the reactor?

I’m also curious about why the space time continuum is completely out of whack in the area, How are people and creatures being teleported across the entire world to land there? And if this could mean a new form of teleportation not using asuran gates? Perhaps some personal transporters?

I’ve also heard that the reactor “explosion” was not a malfunction of machinery but rather the cause of a dragon (Perhaps Mordramoth?) Is it possible that the dragon or dragons attacked the entire society because they were getting too close to the truth of the dragons?

One of the developers also dropped a tidbit about the reactor saying that it has a connection to all 6 of the dragons, will the 5 we haven’t seen make an appearance in this fractal? Does this mean that we will finally see the earth dragon? or get official names for them all? Will we be fighting the dragons in this fractal or their minions?

Also It would seem strange to fight inquest in this since they all die anyways. Does that mean we will be, becoming asurans for this fractal? Perhaps in an effort to save the city? Or will we be the dragons themselves? (or minions) Pillaging and destroying the city underfoot, because that could be pretty fun too.

I’m also curious… If the Elder dragons fed so much on the magical energy of the world over many millenia that they, not the magical energy itself became the magic that the city of the gods was built upon (at least one of the dragons). Then my question is this, we’ve already killed an elder dragon, what would happen to the magic of the world if we killed them all? They seem to be a source of magic more powerful than all the shards of the Bloodstone if that amount were destroyed would it filter back into the world to make all magic users that much more powerful? would it disappear forever? Could we, without regaining the bloodstone even attempt such a feat? Even the Seer’s, Dwarves, Forgotten, and Mursaat combined with the intact bloodstone were not enough to defeat all of the Elder dragons.

The nature dragon is named Mordramoth, run Crucible of Eternity, pay attention to the names of Subject Alpha’s attacks in the combat log. He uses attacks named after the dragons. The Chaos energy comes from the Dragons or somewhere else and is the same energy the Dragons use, the Inquest are doing the same experiments at CoE. You also find holes in reality that warp in creatures from around the world by CoE especially to the south where there’s another Inquest area (where the Golem Mark II drops). Everything that happened at Thaumanova, is also happening at CoE, just not the explosion, because the Infinity Coil was a better designed reactor, wasn’t completed yet and so it wasn’t operating at capacity yet, and it was shut down by the pact.

Have you never run CoE?

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Biohazard.4196:

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

Except for the part where one of those is a temporary bonus while the other is a content that won’t be ever made due to the votation.

Cayenne.6809:

I run fractals on a regular basis and I played GW1. I have no interest in the abaddon fractal. I understand why others are but I just don’t.

I’d rather go for the new one of infinite possibilities than the classic gw1 one that will more than likely never be capable of living up to the magnitude of hype everyone is placing on it.

Do you honestly believe, that after producing the same old themes with the Inquest, living story content, bland good vs. evil etc. that they would try something fresh and exciting?

Devildoc.6721:

The nature dragon is named Mordramoth, run Crucible of Eternity, pay attention to the names of Subject Alpha’s attacks in the combat log. He uses attacks named after the dragons. The Chaos energy comes from the Dragons or somewhere else and is the same energy the Dragons use, the Inquest are doing the same experiments at CoE. You also find holes in reality that warp in creatures from around the world by CoE especially to the south where there’s another Inquest area (where the Golem Mark II drops). Everything that happened at Thaumanova, is also happening at CoE, just not the explosion, because the Infinity Coil was a better designed reactor, wasn’t completed yet and so it wasn’t operating at capacity yet, and it was shut down by the pact.

Have you never run CoE?

Aww come one you made it sound like you knew what was going on…

I know the name of the dragon I used it in my post.

“Chaos energy comes from the dragons or somewhere else”
“Everything that happened at Thaumanova, is also happening at CoE, just not the explosion”

The cause of the explosion is the whole point right? It’s starting to sound like you are guessing and don’t actually know what happened at Thaumanova at all.

It exploded because the pact didn’t stop it? You are stating a reason but not the cause. We are interested in the cause, and facts not somethings sir! We already know everything that is currently in the game, my questions are not answered there. Would you mind rephrasing your statements to provide us these answers?

If it weren’t for the fractals, Evon likely wouldn’t have stood a chance. In my mind, the fractal offer was a way to balance the candidates from ANet’s kitten-poor storytelling abilities. The storywriters have shown no ability to write any character as nuanced, so in order to get people to vote for the latest in their line of “cackling villains”, the developers added in the Fractal choice (which does at least have lore ties even for those who don’t tend to run them).

Lokki.1092:

Devildoc.6721:

The nature dragon is named Mordramoth, run Crucible of Eternity, pay attention to the names of Subject Alpha’s attacks in the combat log. He uses attacks named after the dragons. The Chaos energy comes from the Dragons or somewhere else and is the same energy the Dragons use, the Inquest are doing the same experiments at CoE. You also find holes in reality that warp in creatures from around the world by CoE especially to the south where there’s another Inquest area (where the Golem Mark II drops). Everything that happened at Thaumanova, is also happening at CoE, just not the explosion, because the Infinity Coil was a better designed reactor, wasn’t completed yet and so it wasn’t operating at capacity yet, and it was shut down by the pact.

Have you never run CoE?

Aww come one you made it sound like you knew what was going on…

I know the name of the dragon I used it in my post.

“Chaos energy comes from the dragons or somewhere else”
“Everything that happened at Thaumanova, is also happening at CoE, just not the explosion”

The cause of the explosion is the whole point right? It’s starting to sound like you are guessing and don’t actually know what happened at Thaumanova at all.

It exploded because the pact didn’t stop it? You are stating a reason but not the cause. We are interested in the cause, and facts not somethings sir! We already know everything that is currently in the game, my questions are not answered there. Would you mind rephrasing your statements to provide us these answers?

The cause of the explosion was the experiments were going on at a facility not specifically designed to handle them.

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Are you saying that the only legitimate reason for which to vote is based on fractal choice? That doesn’t make sense.

By your logic, if you never buy Black Lion Keys or use waypoints, voting for Ellen Kiel isn’t “valid” because you’re deciding which temporary benefit gets made while never intending to use it. That’s flawed.

Manuhell.2759:

Biohazard.4196:

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

Except for the part where one of those is a temporary bonus while the other is a content that won’t be ever made due to the votation.

Why can’t people vote for temporary content? If someone waypoints around constantly and likes the idea of a discount but doesn’t play fractals, why can’t they vote for Ellen Kiel?

The duration is irrelevant.

Biohazard.4196:

Why can’t people vote for temporary content? If someone waypoints around constantly and likes the idea of a discount but doesn’t play fractals, why can’t they vote for Ellen Kiel?

The duration is irrelevant.

And that’s exactly why fractals being tied into the vote is wrong.
You didn’t care about the fractals – you just wanted cheaper waypoints – yet your choice had a lasting impact on them.

azureai.9764:

If it weren’t for the fractals, Evon likely wouldn’t have stood a chance. In my mind, the fractal offer was a way to balance the candidates from ANet’s kitten-poor storytelling abilities. The storywriters have shown no ability to write any character as nuanced, so in order to get people to vote for the latest in their line of “cackling villains”, the developers added in the Fractal choice (which does at least have lore ties even for those who don’t tend to run them).

This is pretty much it. That doesn’t mean people will or should be okay it though.

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Are you saying that the only legitimate reason for which to vote is based on fractal choice? That doesn’t make sense.

By your logic, if you never buy Black Lion Keys or use waypoints, voting for Ellen Kiel isn’t “valid” because you’re deciding which temporary benefit gets made while never intending to use it. That’s flawed.

That garbage isn’t permanent, the fractal is.

Keys or waypoints are insignificant in the long run, the fractal will be around as long as the game is around. The other fractal idea now gets trash canned. I almost wish that fractal idea wasn’t being voted on but another lame fractal on the same level as Thaumanova, a more recent choice, something like the Consortium discovering Southsun or something. At least then the Abaddon fractal would be a possibility in the future. But because of this vote and Anet wanting our vote to feel like it mattered, they will never make the Abaddon fractal, we will never see it, and our knowledge of it will come entirely from a wiki page and “legends” from thousands of years ago. The fractal idea is as good as trashed now.

This is literally like a choice between getting to see the Chernobyl meltdown, vs the war in heaven between God and Satan and 1/3 of the Angels being cast down from Heaven. Yeah, sure you can read about it in the bible still, but that’s a little different from being able to see it with your own eyes. We’ll always get to see more reactor disasters, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, and who knows what other reactors will have disasters in the future. But I can guarantee you you’ll probably never see fallen angels fighting God with your own eyes. Just like you’ll never see Abaddon vs the 5 Gods in a fractal.

Manuhell.2759:

Biohazard.4196:

Why can’t people vote for temporary content? If someone waypoints around constantly and likes the idea of a discount but doesn’t play fractals, why can’t they vote for Ellen Kiel?

The duration is irrelevant.

And that’s exactly why fractals being tied into the vote is wrong.
You didn’t care about the fractals – you just wanted cheaper waypoints – yet your choice had a lasting impact on them.

Ah, but whether some benefits should have been tied with others is a different topic entirely.

And I don’t think I ever mentioned what reason I voted for.

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Are you saying that the only legitimate reason for which to vote is based on fractal choice? That doesn’t make sense.

By your logic, if you never buy Black Lion Keys or use waypoints, voting for Ellen Kiel isn’t “valid” because you’re deciding which temporary benefit gets made while never intending to use it. That’s flawed.

That garbage isn’t permanent, the fractal is.

Keys or waypoints are insignificant in the long run, the fractal will be around as long as the game is around. The other fractal idea now gets trash canned. I almost wish that fractal idea wasn’t being voted on but another lame fractal on the same level as Thaumanova, a more recent choice, something like the Consortium discovering Southsun or something. At least then the Abaddon fractal would be a possibility in the future. But because of this vote and Anet wanting our vote to feel like it mattered, they will never make the Abaddon fractal, we will never see it, and our knowledge of it will come entirely from a wiki page and “legends” from thousands of years ago. The fractal idea is as good as trashed now.

This is literally like a choice between getting to see the Chernobyl meltdown, vs the war in heaven between God and Satan and 1/3 of the Angels being cast down from Heaven. Yeah, sure you can read about it in the bible still, but that’s a little different from being able to see it with your own eyes. We’ll always get to see more reactor disasters, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, and who knows what other reactors will have disasters in the future. But I can guarantee you you’ll probably never see fallen angels fighting God with your own eyes. Just like you’ll never see Abaddon vs the 5 Gods in a fractal.

As I’ve said before, content duration is irrelevant. If I only care about one aspect of the vote, I have a right to vote based on that aspect regardless of what it is or what the other aspects are. The pairing of permanent fractal content with temporary content may have been unfortunate, but that’s another issue.

Additionally, you implied that we’ll be able to see events in the future similar to what happened at Thaumanova. How do you know this is true? We don’t even know exactly what that was. I don’t think potentially similar art and enemy types doesn’t explain it enough.

Such an aggressive attitude based completely on conjecture seems like sour grapes.

Honestly,

folks upset about Abbadon not becoming a fractal, to be honest, a fractal would not have gave it justice, to me, it required more like a dungeon, they said that content wouldn’t become a fractal, but two things to consider. A Cutthroat Politics means anything can and will happen, also, doesn’t mean it can’t be a dungeon later on, but more of a continuation of the lore.

Devildoc.6721:

The cause of the explosion was the experiments were going on at a facility not specifically designed to handle them.

You still didn’t answer anything. Vague reasons are not a cause.
Perhaps a lesson the difference between a reason and a cause, is in order?

Perhaps you really don’t know anything about Thaumanova at all? Well that makes sense since the devs that will be working on the fractal said themselves that they had multiple ideas they were tossing around, and it would be fun to develop some of them… Sounds like they aren’t even sure what will be in there yet.

Can you deliver on your claim to be all knowing and have 100% clarity on the events, answers and lore that will be written into this fractal or not?

They should of made the fractals a scenario were you fight a long side the loser of the election to kill the winner after they betray the people of LA(they could of hinted at each candidate causing a different event) in some way.

Would of tied into the election and made the people care about the characters a little more(maybe).

All Evon supporters will laugh, when we find out that Thaumanova fractal is…

wait for it…

…temporary…

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Are you saying that the only legitimate reason for which to vote is based on fractal choice? That doesn’t make sense.

By your logic, if you never buy Black Lion Keys or use waypoints, voting for Ellen Kiel isn’t “valid” because you’re deciding which temporary benefit gets made while never intending to use it. That’s flawed.

That garbage isn’t permanent, the fractal is.

Keys or waypoints are insignificant in the long run, the fractal will be around as long as the game is around. The other fractal idea now gets trash canned. I almost wish that fractal idea wasn’t being voted on but another lame fractal on the same level as Thaumanova, a more recent choice, something like the Consortium discovering Southsun or something. At least then the Abaddon fractal would be a possibility in the future. But because of this vote and Anet wanting our vote to feel like it mattered, they will never make the Abaddon fractal, we will never see it, and our knowledge of it will come entirely from a wiki page and “legends” from thousands of years ago. The fractal idea is as good as trashed now.

This is literally like a choice between getting to see the Chernobyl meltdown, vs the war in heaven between God and Satan and 1/3 of the Angels being cast down from Heaven. Yeah, sure you can read about it in the bible still, but that’s a little different from being able to see it with your own eyes. We’ll always get to see more reactor disasters, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, and who knows what other reactors will have disasters in the future. But I can guarantee you you’ll probably never see fallen angels fighting God with your own eyes. Just like you’ll never see Abaddon vs the 5 Gods in a fractal.

As I’ve said before, content duration is irrelevant. If I only care about one aspect of the vote, I have a right to vote based on that aspect regardless of what it is or what the other aspects are. The pairing of permanent fractal content with temporary content may have been unfortunate, but that’s another issue.

Additionally, you implied that we’ll be able to see events in the future similar to what happened at Thaumanova. How do you know this is true? We don’t even know exactly what that was. I don’t think potentially similar art and enemy types doesn’t explain it enough.

Such an aggressive attitude based completely on conjecture seems like sour grapes.

We’ve already seen something similar to Thaumanova. It’s called Crucible of Eternity.

folly dragon.4126:

Honestly,

folks upset about Abbadon not becoming a fractal, to be honest, a fractal would not have gave it justice, to me, it required more like a dungeon, they said that content wouldn’t become a fractal, but two things to consider. A Cutthroat Politics means anything can and will happen, also, doesn’t mean it can’t be a dungeon later on, but more of a continuation of the lore.

Anthony Ordon said it won’t be, the content idea is as good as scrapped, and won’t be revisited, because it would invalidate the vote.

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Are you saying that the only legitimate reason for which to vote is based on fractal choice? That doesn’t make sense.

By your logic, if you never buy Black Lion Keys or use waypoints, voting for Ellen Kiel isn’t “valid” because you’re deciding which temporary benefit gets made while never intending to use it. That’s flawed.

That garbage isn’t permanent, the fractal is.

Keys or waypoints are insignificant in the long run, the fractal will be around as long as the game is around. The other fractal idea now gets trash canned. I almost wish that fractal idea wasn’t being voted on but another lame fractal on the same level as Thaumanova, a more recent choice, something like the Consortium discovering Southsun or something. At least then the Abaddon fractal would be a possibility in the future. But because of this vote and Anet wanting our vote to feel like it mattered, they will never make the Abaddon fractal, we will never see it, and our knowledge of it will come entirely from a wiki page and “legends” from thousands of years ago. The fractal idea is as good as trashed now.

This is literally like a choice between getting to see the Chernobyl meltdown, vs the war in heaven between God and Satan and 1/3 of the Angels being cast down from Heaven. Yeah, sure you can read about it in the bible still, but that’s a little different from being able to see it with your own eyes. We’ll always get to see more reactor disasters, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, and who knows what other reactors will have disasters in the future. But I can guarantee you you’ll probably never see fallen angels fighting God with your own eyes. Just like you’ll never see Abaddon vs the 5 Gods in a fractal.

As I’ve said before, content duration is irrelevant. If I only care about one aspect of the vote, I have a right to vote based on that aspect regardless of what it is or what the other aspects are. The pairing of permanent fractal content with temporary content may have been unfortunate, but that’s another issue.

Additionally, you implied that we’ll be able to see events in the future similar to what happened at Thaumanova. How do you know this is true? We don’t even know exactly what that was. I don’t think potentially similar art and enemy types doesn’t explain it enough.

Such an aggressive attitude based completely on conjecture seems like sour grapes.

We’ve already seen something similar to Thaumanova. It’s called Crucible of Eternity.

It catastrophically exploded? Is there a path 4 that I haven’t explored?

The examples you listed (Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima) that implied we’ve seen similar events involve reactor failures of some kind. Crucible of Eternity didn’t fail; it was raided.

I can, however, understand why one might want to see an Abbadon fractal over Thaumanova given the thematic connections between Thaumanova and the Crucible of Eternity. That’s fine. It does not, however, mean that an Abbadon fractal is superior.

Devildoc.6721:

folly dragon.4126:

Honestly,

folks upset about Abbadon not becoming a fractal, to be honest, a fractal would not have gave it justice, to me, it required more like a dungeon, they said that content wouldn’t become a fractal, but two things to consider. A Cutthroat Politics means anything can and will happen, also, doesn’t mean it can’t be a dungeon later on, but more of a continuation of the lore.

Anthony Ordon said it won’t be, the content idea is as good as scrapped, and won’t be revisited, because it would invalidate the vote.

This. People keep saying it wouldn’t be good enough, but I say fall of Abaddon fractal is better than no Abaddon at all.

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

Biohazard.4196:

Devildoc.6721:

This isn’t really about which fractal, this is about the really dumb idea of a bunch of people who don’t even run fractals deciding which fractal we get to run. If you vote for Ellen because you want Thaumanova, I disagree with you, but fine, you’re voting on what fractal you want to run.

if you dont’ run fractals and are voting Kiel because you want cheaper waypoints (often not reading the part where it’s only 4 weeks) then no, not cool, I hope you end up spending triple the amount of “savings” on waypoints in repair bills.

This is ridiculous. Voting for waypoint discounts is perfectly valid. However, that promise couldn’t be separated from the fractal. Given you don’t care about anything else, each benefit is an equally valid reason to vote on a particular candidate.

“Valid” for people who don’t even run fractals to decide which fractal gets made? For content they will never do? Screw that.

Are you saying that the only legitimate reason for which to vote is based on fractal choice? That doesn’t make sense.

By your logic, if you never buy Black Lion Keys or use waypoints, voting for Ellen Kiel isn’t “valid” because you’re deciding which temporary benefit gets made while never intending to use it. That’s flawed.

That garbage isn’t permanent, the fractal is.

Keys or waypoints are insignificant in the long run, the fractal will be around as long as the game is around. The other fractal idea now gets trash canned. I almost wish that fractal idea wasn’t being voted on but another lame fractal on the same level as Thaumanova, a more recent choice, something like the Consortium discovering Southsun or something. At least then the Abaddon fractal would be a possibility in the future. But because of this vote and Anet wanting our vote to feel like it mattered, they will never make the Abaddon fractal, we will never see it, and our knowledge of it will come entirely from a wiki page and “legends” from thousands of years ago. The fractal idea is as good as trashed now.

This is literally like a choice between getting to see the Chernobyl meltdown, vs the war in heaven between God and Satan and 1/3 of the Angels being cast down from Heaven. Yeah, sure you can read about it in the bible still, but that’s a little different from being able to see it with your own eyes. We’ll always get to see more reactor disasters, Three Mile Island, Fukushima, and who knows what other reactors will have disasters in the future. But I can guarantee you you’ll probably never see fallen angels fighting God with your own eyes. Just like you’ll never see Abaddon vs the 5 Gods in a fractal.

As I’ve said before, content duration is irrelevant. If I only care about one aspect of the vote, I have a right to vote based on that aspect regardless of what it is or what the other aspects are. The pairing of permanent fractal content with temporary content may have been unfortunate, but that’s another issue.

Additionally, you implied that we’ll be able to see events in the future similar to what happened at Thaumanova. How do you know this is true? We don’t even know exactly what that was. I don’t think potentially similar art and enemy types doesn’t explain it enough.

Such an aggressive attitude based completely on conjecture seems like sour grapes.

We’ve already seen something similar to Thaumanova. It’s called Crucible of Eternity.

It catastrophically exploded? Is there a path 4 that I haven’t explored?

The examples you listed (Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima) that implied we’ve seen similar events involve reactor failures of some kind. Crucible of Eternity didn’t fail; it was raided.

I can, however, understand why one might want to see an Abbadon fractal over Thaumanova given the thematic connections between Thaumanova and the Crucible of Eternity. That’s fine. It does not, however, mean that an Abbadon fractal is superior.

Thaumanova is Chernobyl, CoE is Three Mile Island (in which an explosion was prevented by shutting the reactor down before it went critical)