Guild Wars 2

So, tell me how are you supposed to do T4? And wouldn’t it be more accurate to change the veterans to champions? I mean they match the hps and crowd control / damage output of champions. Please test stuff before you throw it out there….

/rant

And yet so many people complete it solo. And post videos on it to help you. Stop being lazy. Look at a video.

That was before last night’s patch.

I did it without the bug. I just read there was one. I had presumed others would do it like me; kill the robber at their spawn point. If you get aggro for some reason, hit the water. You will lose some supplies hitting the water, but so be it. Completed it multiple times this way.

Buttercup.5871:

I had presumed others would do it like me; kill the robber at their spawn point. If you get aggro for some reason, hit the water. You will lose some supplies hitting the water, but so be it. Completed it multiple times this way.

class+build plz

Well I tried to do t4 in a group for a few hours and failed miserably. Saw this post on how to do solo so gave it a try. As for the results I completed both t4 solo just right now, was suprised how easy it was compared to what I experienced in a full party. Reminds me of Diablo 3 group scaling, so so baddd!! ANET YOU NEED THIS FIX THIS!!

I was using my thief, and pretty much you need to burst the plunderers down asap. Only CC I used was scorp wire and basilisk venom, the rest was cloak n dagger, backstab, heartseek spam if they lived through all that.

For the left plund, I just spawned camp on top of it and killed it when it landed, then for the right plund, stay in the middle near the rock and use scorp wire and dps away. Rinse and repeat for victory

Heres the post..
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/cutthroat/Tell-us-how-are-we-supposed-todo-T4-now/first#post2500232

I used a ranger. But it could be done with any. Chose my ranger cause I know she has a kitten load of slows and roots. Mud, frost trap, spike trap, entangle, and 2 pets with a root/immobilize. You basically have 6 roots at your command. Oh, and a huge knock back on your longbow.

Edit: see previous poster, thief burst works just as well, no fancy tricks needed

want to know how to do it with a guardian. they don’t have stunlock plus 2 shot imo. or a lot of slow+range. not a pullback either(2h sword hits the mortars other mobs). imo the devs said, “hey, looook the thives and warriros can do it, therefore it’s ok content. no need to check for any other class” which is infuriating if true

I, personally, have tried soloing it as a Engi. We just don’t seem to have enough CC stuff to keep the plunders under control for a solo run.

Remember, it’s ok if a few supplies get through. 500 supplies still gets you to the finish line. If the plunderer is 75 % dead and too close to the elites, kill him on his way back, his health will still be 25%. The supplies are only gone if he manages to throw them in the water.

Buttercup.5871:

Remember, it’s ok if a few supplies get through. 500 supplies still gets you to the finish line. If the plunderer is 75 % dead and too close to the elites, kill him on his way back, his health will still be 25%. The supplies are only gone if he manages to throw them in the water.

that doesn’t help. veterans spawn near the mortars by that stage. and certainly spawn mid. with theice grenades your movement is 15% too

Buttercup.5871:

I did it without the bug. I just read there was one. I had presumed others would do it like me; kill the robber at their spawn point. If you get aggro for some reason, hit the water. You will lose some supplies hitting the water, but so be it. Completed it multiple times this way.

What do you mean w/o the bug? The spawn bug or the add bug? Because I did it without using the spawn bug, but they added much more plunderers and adds near the end (like 2min) and it’s much harder to do since the patch yesterday.

As an Engi, this is impossible to solo now. If I go CC spec, I can’t damage enough. If I go damage spec, can’t CC enough.

Jebus.

Well, as an Engi I just completed it. The downside is that the T4 of Kiel didn’t count for some stupid reason.

Build = Typical Rifle Static Burst PVP with the Discharge trait changed to SCOPE.

Whoever says to solo this apparently need to do it again. Especially after yesterday patch. It buffed it so much that’s it impossible.

I myself did solo both evon and kiel t4 before without bug. But It is now too hard.

I’m complaining for a friend of mine. It doesnt like he have a chance to complete it anymore.

NTDK.4897:

Whoever says to solo this apparently need to do it again. Especially after yesterday patch. It buffed it so much that’s it impossible.

I myself did solo both evon and kiel t4 before without bug. But It is now too hard.

I’m complaining for a friend of mine. It doesnt like he have a chance to complete it anymore.

Sorry, but I don’t make a habit of rerunning crappy content with kittenty loot drops. Once I got my achi I never looked back.

OmniPotentes.4817:

Once I got my achi I never looked back.

And that, in a nutshell, sums up the biggest challenge that ANet faces with Living Story. If we all know it is disposable and of this quality, then we will treat it as such.

NTDK.4897:

Whoever says to solo this apparently need to do it again. Especially after yesterday patch. It buffed it so much that’s it impossible.

I myself did solo both evon and kiel t4 before without bug. But It is now too hard.

I’ve just tried this, on a wide variety of alts, and just can’t. Closest I got was 30 seconds remaining, on my “ok geared” warrior. Most of the time I failed at 2 mins remaining, mainly because the veterans, once aggro’d, would just plunderer-spawn camp, making the one closest to the treasure impossible to get to without being perma-stunned, and the other two increasingly more difficult the more mobs that spawn.

As far as solo goes, I’d like to have been able to kill every mob there, not cower away at the back, trying to reset mobs and only take out the ones I need to. This to me is very, very lame design. Why can’t ArenaNet have designed it such that you get bombarded with more and more non-veterans, and were able to kill them whilst taking out plunderers, rather than high-HP veterans that you have to hope you don’t aggro? I would much rather try to control and destroy trash mobs than have trash mobs so powerful that they zerg you and kill you in seconds if you aggro anything after the 3 minute marker.

PBag.7450:

Well, as an Engi I just completed it. The downside is that the T4 of Kiel didn’t count for some stupid reason.

Build = Typical Rifle Static Burst PVP with the Discharge trait changed to SCOPE.

I tried this also – I did far worse than Warrior with it.

Part of my problem, perhaps, is that the professions best placed to complete this are not my best geared, and not my best practiced. I guess it’s too much to hope for a bit of a level playing field in these kinds of missions.

So what do we conclude? In order to complete all the content in future we all need one of each profession, with the gear and ability to run every kind of build on it, just in case it’s needed?

As a side note, I’d love to see ArenaNet livestream one of the devs playing this solo, just so we can see how they go about it.

Buttercup.5871:

And yet so many people complete it solo. And post videos on it to help you. Stop being lazy. Look at a video.

Those videos basically come down to abandoning guard who we were supposed to help to die, abandaning treasure which we were supposed to guard to the pirates, and ccing/killing carrier only. While the tactic works and gets you through, from the story/immersion POV it seems terribly wrong.
We were supposed to stand with guard fight off the waves and protect treasure.

Lucyfer.9517:

Buttercup.5871:

And yet so many people complete it solo. And post videos on it to help you. Stop being lazy. Look at a video.

Those videos basically come down to abandoning guard who we were supposed to help to die, abandaning treasure which we were supposed to guard to the pirates, and ccing/killing carrier only. While the tactic works and gets you through, from the story/immersion POV it seems terribly wrong.
We were supposed to stand with guard fight off the waves and protect treasure.

Not much immersion standing at the foot of a dragon where its attacks don’t seam to hit you either now is it? Or don’t you do any dragon events either?

Buttercup.5871:

I did it without the bug. I just read there was one. I had presumed others would do it like me; kill the robber at their spawn point. If you get aggro for some reason, hit the water. You will lose some supplies hitting the water, but so be it. Completed it multiple times this way.

I tried that on a few toons… I was over run with veterans and other aetherblades about 1m30s in.

worst content i ever played!

gamers can do better content with foundry feature in cryptic games… just saying

digitalruse.9085:

That was before last night’s patch.

It’s still possible to solo it, just a bit harder. Does seem ridiculous people have to solo a group dungeon to make it easier though.

Btw, from my experience post patch, you can only solo it with a zerker war or thief at the moment. It’s possible on anther class but zerker is almost 100 % necessary. Also, it’s possible to do it without aggroing any mobs. It’s all about timing

I dont know how to survive past 3:00 on the clock by then there are 3 plunderes on the map and about 15-20 veterans. I cant follow the plnunderers and i cant afford to run because they will score.. and they only need to throw 1-3 bags to fail the event..

AFIK this is now impossible after the patch.. Again the people who do it first get easy content, like the belcher drinking game where people could use food buffs.

Do they even test thier own stuff before they release it?

Clouded Judgement.7834:

I dont know how to survive past 3:00 on the clock by then there are 3 plunderes on the map and about 15-20 veterans. I cant follow the plnunderers and i cant afford to run because they will score.. and they only need to throw 1-3 bags to fail the event..

AFIK this is now impossible after the patch.. Again the people who do it first get easy content, like the belcher drinking game where people could use food buffs.

Do they even test thier own stuff before they release it?

Your exaggerating. Each bag is worth 500 booty. 5 plunderers have to deposit their booty at the respective spawn points in order to fail T4. That means you have 4 possibilities to run away; break agro and regen while in a tight spot. Once you break agro vets move away from the spawn area to the chest area. Make use of this. An excellent way to break agro is to run around the tiny island from one side to the other. By the time you make it to the other side the vets will have left.

wolfie.7296:

that doesn’t help. veterans spawn near the mortars by that stage. and certainly spawn mid. with theice grenades your movement is 15% too

You have to anticipate when they will spawn and hang back when they do so you don’t get aggro

NTDK.4897:

Whoever says to solo this apparently need to do it again. Especially after yesterday patch. It buffed it so much that’s it impossible.

I myself did solo both evon and kiel t4 before without bug. But It is now too hard.

I’m complaining for a friend of mine. It doesnt like he have a chance to complete it anymore.

This can be solo’d with warrior at least. It plays down to RNG with how the mobs act but it can be done..

Ayrilana.1396:

This can be solo’d with warrior at least. It plays down to RNG with how the mobs act but it can be done..

Yeah I know. I did it as warrior. Most of the solo story I saw were about using war.

But the thing is. My friend has an ele. He did evon T4 before the patch. But now he cant do kiel t4. He tried every build he can find.

I tried to help him. But the scaling kicks in.

It’s just bad.

NTDK.4897:

Ayrilana.1396:

This can be solo’d with warrior at least. It plays down to RNG with how the mobs act but it can be done..

Yeah I know. I did it as warrior. Most of the solo story I saw were about using war.

But the thing is. My friend has an ele. He did evon T4 before the patch. But now he cant do kiel t4. He tried every build he can find.

I tried to help him. But the scaling kicks in.

It’s just bad.

Yeah. There are a lot of classes that will not be able to do this because they lack the CC and DPS. Tier 4 is essentially a DPS check. You can compensate for DPS with CC but you will still need a decent amount.

Isn’t it supposed to be done by a good group? I haven’t seen a full group of 5 successfully done t4? Only guides for solo which I’m sure won’t work for me.
Might as well make it a single person instance kind of thing.

Ayrilana.1396:

Tier 4 is essentially a DPS check.

I disagree with this completely, given the silly amount of vets in the encounter you can’t effectively deal with them all and take the plunders, prehaps a few here and there but as time dwindles down it starts to pile up.

I think it is more an encounter for choice and decision, knowing what to kill and what not to kill, this seems entirely more appropriate and given the tips that others have provided this seems to back this up more, killing the plunders is fine for all the classes it would seem, the problem lays with this silly obstacle course of getting to them.

To be honest, I would love to see a dev show us how to do this, and prehaps even one of their QA’s given the failure rate this so called fix has provided.

It just seems with ANET, that their solution to all their problems is quantity…. quantity over quality….

This is supposed to be a GROUP game… what’s the purpose to solo it if it’s “impossible” to do in a group? I don’t like to use absolutes… but yesterday i nearly wasted the whole evenening and a good part of the day by trying to do it solo/duo/trio/with full group.

We tried the camp the spawn point with 2x Necro+ Spectral Grasp (or similar skill), splitting 2-3, standing at the loot zone (as i think they supposed us to do that?)… we tried every combination of it… and we still “failed” at 2:30 or 3:00… (with failed i mean we completely lost control of it and at least a couple of guys where dead, the real “event failed” would happen a little late).

Can we see a group video with date AFTER the “now’s impossible” patch?

BTW… i don’t think it’s ANET problem… but what if we don’t play thief/war/guardian and can solo it? What if some of us ( /lookaround ) have a OCD and “need” the achi to sleep at night? XD

The nice thing is that i did Evon t4 with a full group and said “ok i can go sleep today… tomorrow it’s kiel”… and obviously miss that last achi XD

Sorry for the rant.

digitalruse.9085:

That was before last night’s patch.

I did it after the patch. Solo. Took two tries, but it’s still pretty much doable solo.

Did Kiel T4 today with a group, was extremely difficult.
First 2 times we were less than a minute away, then we wiped.
Third time we just barely made it.

it’s possible.

MassDelusion.9130:

Did Kiel T4 today with a group, was extremely difficult.
First 2 times we were less than a minute away, then we wiped.
Third time we just barely made it.

it’s possible.

can you please remember the group composition and if you used any particular tactic? (normal mode/spawn camp/whatever)

I agree that this achievement is too difficult to most players, just remove the bloody gold rewards and rebalance the mobs such that it is achievable. What’s the point of making a game that most players can’t enjoy? If ArenaNet has a tester team, I would confidently say that the team is a complete failure.

It’s a real pain. I did T4 Kiel last night and T4 Evon earlier today. Mesmer. Below is a video that I made using Afterburner. The quality isn’t great but when I record my FPS decreases immensely.

The key is to watch the clock. Kill the Plunder Bandit on the side as he spawns until around 5:30. That’s when the 2nd Plunderer spawns at the far point closest to the treasure. Around 3:00 is when the middle one spawn. Keep in mind that as soon as they reach their “throw” spot with the treasure if interrupt them or push them back it won’t have effect. They’ll still get the throw off. The only way to stop them from scoring once they reach that point is to kill them. They can throw 5 times before it causes you fail. If they get one off before the 3:30 mark you’re almost guaranteed to lose. After that point don’t be afraid to let one or two plunderers score. Staying alive is just as important as finishing the event with 500 or more treasure remaining.

If you watch the below make sure you select to watch it in 1080p at the YouTube site and full screen. I go over my current build at the end of the event.

Buttercup, they changed it with the last patch. The trick doesn’t work anymore.

So no one has explained how to do this on a Guard yet.
I have – no burst damage -almost no cc -hardly no range (on weaps that give the best range of dmg dealing) -no speed boost (unless i use the WORST dmg output weap i have access to)
So. Where’s the video and the build for the Guardian?

tovadaun.6304:

So no one has explained how to do this on a Guard yet.
I have – no burst damage -almost no cc -hardly no range (on weaps that give the best range of dmg dealing) -no speed boost (unless i use the WORST dmg output weap i have access to)
So. Where’s the video and the build for the Guardian?

Everything you said is wrong.
You have all of that, and more.

The problem is the only way to do this content is to cheese it.

Arenanet need to patch it again and fix things such as, give mobs infinit agro range, give monster stealth detection so thief can’t cheese it. And make it into an actually 5 man content.

I give props to Anet, they definitely showed they can design hard group content. But maybe dont’ include it as an achievement. So lesser achievement junky will complain.

MassDelusion.9130:

Snip
Everything you said is wrong.
You have all of that, and more.

I do?
I have one Imob on a 15sec CD on 1 weap. (Hammer)
I have one Launch (not the skill you want to use! You DONT want them Father from you!) (Hammer)
I have one Imob on a 25sec CD on 1 weap (Scepter)
No, you cannot use both of these at the same time.
I have a KnockBACK on a 40sec !!! CD (not the skill you want to use! You DONT want them Father from you!) on a weap, that cannot be used with with the first listed weap. (Shield)
And where’s this fabled ‘more’? Please, do send specifics, or links or screenshots. I’m interested.

So… where are all of my CC skills?
I also believe you forget what role Guards play. They are not glass cannons. If you think Zerking is the only Gear/Build in the game, -I’m- not the one who needs build advice.
The other point is- If only ONE Gear/Build spec is viable to complete these Trials, then they have again failed to make good on the promise of their content.

dronzer.8392:

Ayrilana.1396:

Tier 4 is essentially a DPS check.

I disagree with this completely, given the silly amount of vets in the encounter you can’t effectively deal with them all and take the plunders, prehaps a few here and there but as time dwindles down it starts to pile up.

I think it is more an encounter for choice and decision, knowing what to kill and what not to kill, this seems entirely more appropriate and given the tips that others have provided this seems to back this up more, killing the plunders is fine for all the classes it would seem, the problem lays with this silly obstacle course of getting to them.

To be honest, I would love to see a dev show us how to do this, and prehaps even one of their QA’s given the failure rate this so called fix has provided.

It just seems with ANET, that their solution to all their problems is quantity…. quantity over quality….

DPS check in regards to the pillagers. If you can’t do enough damage then you lose. CC can make up for some DPS but not the majority of it.

NTDK.4897:

Ayrilana.1396:

This can be solo’d with warrior at least. It plays down to RNG with how the mobs act but it can be done..

Yeah I know. I did it as warrior. Most of the solo story I saw were about using war.

But the thing is. My friend has an ele. He did evon T4 before the patch. But now he cant do kiel t4. He tried every build he can find.

I tried to help him. But the scaling kicks in.

It’s just bad.

Did it on my Full zerk D/D Ele it’s possible. 2x both sides T4 solo.

This thread. Another proof that implementing rewards for achievement points was a dire mistake. Before that, hardly anyone gave a kitten about harder achievements. Right now there will be dozen of QQ threads about every single achievement which is harder from “Talk to Ellen Kiel”.

The difficulty of this achievement is a valid complaint.