Guild Wars 2

If I may turn your attention to this approximate map of Tyria as of 250 years ago. See that poorly-circled red area? That’s the Crystal Desert and the Desolation! The Crystal Desert is (wait for it) a desert. The Desolation is also a desert, albeit one full of sulfur and considerably more death than its Crystal cousin.

Now we get to why all of this matters. You see, that was all water. The Crystal Sea, in fact. Right up until this fall of that Abaddon guy you keep hearing about.

Forget the Searing, forget the Cataclysm of Orr, forget the raising of Orr, the rise of the Elder Dragons and anything you thought left a mark on Tyria, because the Fall of Abaddon is the single most destructive event in known Tyrian history.

Yeap, the reason to vote for Evon is epicness at least.
And it can be preparation for adding Crystal Desert in future. And Elona. Oh, sweet dreams.

Katran.9186:

Yeap, the reason to vote for Evon is epicness at least.
And it can be preparation for adding Crystal Desert in future. And Elona. Oh, sweet dreams.

Virtually when every single being had their meta magic split into their own respective aspects. Maybe even bringing back the dervish class, muhahaha.

I want dervish as kittty-kitten but I don’t think he can be reworked for GW2.
Also we have holy warrior-caster – guardian.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Now I wonder how Mr. Johanson would feel about a designer posting on the forums when he should be working… and posting in support of the enemy party no less! My o’my…

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Don’t even begin. Another asuran ka-boom.
However, even with the knowledge of the past, battle of the Gods is much more intriguing

TriggerSad.2597:

Now I wonder how Mr. Johanson would feel about a designer posting on the forums when he should be working… and posting in support of the enemy party no less! My o’my…

Well, they should answer at threads, aren’t they? People want some info-leaks and stuff

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Exactly.

And while a god may seem like a big deal, we already know how they work. No one has figured out how reality has basically torn itself apart at the reactor.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

It would still make a more epic and awesome fractal than the Thaumanova Reactor, and you know it! #TeamGnashblade

More asuran shenanigans…

Katran.9186:

TriggerSad.2597:

Now I wonder how Mr. Johanson would feel about a designer posting on the forums when he should be working… and posting in support of the enemy party no less! My o’my…

Well, they should answer at threads, aren’t they? People want some info-leaks and stuff

True, but he’s not giving the right info~!
He’s referring to the events that happened in Night Fall, but the Fractal itself will take place way before the story of the original Guild Wars. Back when Abbadon was a god, and not a wannabe Andross.

Katran.9186:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Don’t even begin. Another asuran ka-boom.
However, even with the knowledge of the past, battle of the Gods is much more intriguing

Another asura kaboom that might shed more light on the orgins of the Elder Dragons, including the knowledge of what they are exactly.

(I believe they are sentient chaos magic born of the Mists, and they were Elder “Demons” first and became dragons later – either by taking physical shape or by finding draconic hosts).

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

you’re going to have to tease a little harder if you don’t want this to be a landslide. And the tease will have to imply something very epic to beat out the Mouth of Torment.

Thalador.4218:

Katran.9186:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Don’t even begin. Another asuran ka-boom.
However, even with the knowledge of the past, battle of the Gods is much more intriguing

Another asura kaboom that might shed more light on the orgins of the Elder Dragons, including the knowledge of what they are exactly.

(I believe they are sentient chaos magic born of the Mists, and they were Elder “Demons” first and became dragons later – either by taking physical shape or by finding draconic hosts).

The thing is, I’d rather find that stuff out later in the Personal Story/Full Dungeons, and not a Fractal that, while taking a history book/scroll/tablet and bringing it to life, will just drop it in our face. I want the truth about the dragons to be drawn out a bit more. Make it more suspenseful. Abbadon’s past is Guild Wars lore, and not Guild Wars 2 lore, so having a fractal about it would be a nice throwback as opposed to something that can have a larger impact when presented in a better manner.

TriggerSad.2597:

Thalador.4218:

Katran.9186:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Don’t even begin. Another asuran ka-boom.
However, even with the knowledge of the past, battle of the Gods is much more intriguing

Another asura kaboom that might shed more light on the orgins of the Elder Dragons, including the knowledge of what they are exactly.

(I believe they are sentient chaos magic born of the Mists, and they were Elder “Demons” first and became dragons later – either by taking physical shape or by finding draconic hosts).

The thing is, I’d rather find that stuff out later in the Personal Story/Full Dungeons, and not a Fractal that, while taking a history book/scroll/table and bring it to life, will just drop it in our face. I want to truth about the dragons to be drawn out a bit more. Abbadon’s past is Guild Wars lore, and not Guild Wars 2 lore, so having a fractal about it would be a nice throwback as opposed to something that can have a larger impact when presented in a better manner.

I highly disagree. It might blow much of the mystery regarding the Six Gods and the reasons for Abaddon’s fall. I’d rather see it pieced together over time by say, exploring and learning the truth in the godly realms, THEN getting the Fall of Abaddon fractal.

Besides, I doubt it can be made as epic as it deserves to be/as it really was (which is probably on par with God of War battles).

You must all remember, the fractals don’t always replicate events perfectly…

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Main reason I don’t care too much about Thaumanova is because nothing in the game really entices me to ask why. I’ve done some exploring of the place, you have elemental chambers and people trying to fix it. The problem is that the whole “Asuran(s) scientist messed up, something bad happened” is used soooo oftennn (seems like theres at least one event per map where this happens) that I don’t care much for it. There is nothing in that place that I found that really makes me want to know what happened, nothing that tugs on my lore strings. I mean I’m a guy that went and translated in game books to try to find Final Rest. Lore is something I love, but I find the reactor not lore interesting at all. Maybe if there were hints to…I dont know the history of the ruins in which the Asurans stay. Perhaps link to another dragon. Anything like that. The whole thing surrounding the reactor at it’s current state doesn’t seem like an important issue with the world of Tyria at all. The way it is presented it feels like a side quest rather than something important. The creation of an entire desert/desolation and the fall of a god is very important to the world.

Unfortunately I feel you are right, Deified. The area just doesn’t entice. I have an idea of what they were doing underground, but most people wouldn’t as the incident is presented in a way that makes it feel… generic.

Redfeather.6401:

Unfortunately I feel you are right, Deified. The area just doesn’t entice. I have an idea of what they were doing underground, but most people wouldn’t as the incident is presented in a way that makes it feel… generic.

What did you find/what are your theories? Most I can get out of it was the inquest were messing with what seems is dragon energies (surprised there), probably made a mis calculation and boom. So you’ve got people teleporting in and out, alright but nothing I find hints towards any type of specific research or topic that could cause this.

There have been a lot of statements like this in this recently added forum, all pointing to pique interest for Thaumanova, and therefor Kiel.

Conspiracy theorist checking in: Push favor for Kiel to not lose money in Gem store.
Although I’ve been posting a lot about my theories on ANet limiting content to force you into the store, I can admit that I am sometimes unfair in my assumptions.

But I’ve been seeing a lot of red posts commenting on Thaumanova and leave the players to debate the Abaddon fractal.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Abadon got defeated.

What happened in the lab? Inquest sabotage.

We know both, but not how they happened. And I’d rather like to know how was a god defeated by other gods, rather than witnessing an asurra explosion I see everyday, would be way more epic than asuras.

This game is already Golem Wars 2 and World of Charrcraft.

The only way you’ll get me to vote for the reactor is if you could guarantee I could go back in time in this fractal and ensure the annihilation of all Asura.

#TeamAsuraH8RS

Leave my cute floppy eared friends alone! Er—I mean I want to see the Reactor before it blew up, if it means taking down some Inquest that’s fine with me. I just don’t want to see the eradication of the Asura.

GW1 lore > GW2 lore

Therefore…. Go Gnashblade!

@OP

Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich
- from getting resurrected by Ossa

So which “fall” are we really talking about here?

It seems to me, his real fall is when Kormir took his place — and I don’t want to relive that event when a blind old lady took away my chance to godhood.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Actually, I thought a lot of the detail were unknown.

Also if Thaumanova has to do with the Dragons it’s boring & meh. While I would like to know what happened there, I’d MUCH rather be a part of the epic battle of 6 gods & their armies. The Gods are WAY more compelling than Dragons. Mindless, Speechless Monsters with no personality that have no real motivation (eating magic, meh) Compared to Abaddon who plotted & schemed from the realm of torment to usurp the other gods & kill their followers through the Lich, the Titans, Shiro, the Cataclysm & Nightfall..

Unless the Dragons are a result of Dhuum & Menzies, they are some of the more boring villians in GW. I understand they were sort of meant to be sorta Lovecraft forces of nature, but you forgot the main part of what makes Lovecraft’s creatures work: Horror. There need to be totally horrify, mind-bending reality alterations if you want these things to seem interesting & dangerous. & even they they would lack the Character, History & Interaction that the gods have. I mean.. we went to Hell to fight Abaddon..

Sir Vincent III.1286:

@OP

Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich

The Lich never resurrected him. He just brought Titans in to try to destroy Tyria.

I know they just recently said that the Uncatagorized Fractal is not in the future, and that we’d be getting more information about it soonish…

I have a feeling… Is it possible the Uncatagorized Fractal is what’s currently floating high above the Thaumanova Reactor after the explosion? Could it have been part of the Thaumanova complex, now detached and floating high above the reactor (possibly continuing to rise) due to heavy magics?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

@OP

Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich
- from getting resurrected by Ossa

So which “fall” are we really talking about here?

It seems to me, his real fall is when Kormir took his place — and I don’t want to relive that event when a blind old lady took away my chance to godhood.

The only real fall was from his seat as a free god. The others were defeats.

Beyond the fact that it has already been confirmed that the fractal would be when the other human gods turned against him, a fall implies surviving when applied to a person/entity, and a loss. The second on your list there he was in the same position as before after his defeat, and the last he was dead (IIRC my GW1 events right).

cutthroat politics is a thinly veiled competition of gw1 veterans vs everyone else

Actually, I’d really like to see both of them. The Fall of Abaddon plays a significant role in GW lore, as he pretty much had a hand in everything that occurred throughout all the GW campaigns’ storyline.

The Thaumanova Reactor incident also ties a bit deeper into the lore, I’m thinking. It probably plays into a great event that will most definitely have an impact on future stories. It definitely has more to it than “asura make place go BOOM!”… Why else would the developers pair it up with an event as far reaching as the fall of one of the most influential entities on the face of Tyria?

And to go a bit off topic, but isn’t Cantha supposed to be located a bit south and westward from the Battle Isles?

DarksunG.9537:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

@OP

Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich

The Lich never resurrected him. He just brought Titans in to try to destroy Tyria.

Then you have to replay the mission where you have to fight the Lich and Shiro at the same time in Nightfall.

Rajani Isa.6294:

The only real fall was from his seat as a free god. The others were defeats.

Beyond the fact that it has already been confirmed that the fractal would be when the other human gods turned against him, a fall implies surviving when applied to a person/entity, and a loss. The second on your list there he was in the same position as before after his defeat, and the last he was dead (IIRC my GW1 events right).

Fall, defeat, they’re all semantics. The point is, every time he tried to rise up, we cut him down, thus he fell.

But yeah, I am hoping that the actual “fall” is the first one since the other ones has already been done and over with.

Can you imagine if each party member is an avatar of the one of the gods?

But meh! Enough with the human lore. I want to know more about the Asura and the Eternal Alchemy.

Azjenco.9425:

And to go a bit off topic, but isn’t Cantha supposed to be located a bit south and westward from the Battle Isles?

It’s a fanmade map, it’s there to show the relative way things line up between Tyria and Elona mostly. Cantha seems to have been added just for completion’s sake.

Guild Wars 1 lore > Guild Wars 2 lore By far. I’m tired of Asura they really bore me to death, with their better-than-everyone ego and their smart mouths. NO MORE. Seriously the fall of a GOD and the creation of a desert is far more significant than an Asuran ka-boom. Please Arenanet just take a look at the the original series for inspiration, without it this game would be non existent.

A fractal is too short to provide much lore. Much better for covering what happened at the reactor than the fall of Abaddon. Doubtful there is any relation to the dragons. There aren’t any corrupt creatures anywhere near or in the reactor.

Something that covers the fall of Abaddon should at least be the length of Eye of the North. Doing it as a fractal is pretty much begging to have gaping holes in your lore. Anthony’s post also makes it sound like it will just cover the final battle where Abaddon gets imprisoned and none of the interesting stuff that happened before.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

But yeah, I am hoping that the actual “fall” is the first one since the other ones has already been done and over with.

Colin confirmed on the stream that it will be the very first fall of Abaddon, when he was fighting against the other gods.

Khisanth.2948:

A fractal is too short to provide much lore. Much better for covering what happened at the reactor than the fall of Abaddon. Doubtful there is any relation to the dragons. There aren’t any corrupt creatures anywhere near or in the reactor.

Something that covers the fall of Abaddon should at least be the length of Eye of the North. Doing it as a fractal is pretty much begging to have gaping holes in your lore. Anthony’s post also makes it sound like it will just cover the final battle where Abaddon gets imprisoned and none of the interesting stuff that happened before.

QFT. If anything, Fall of Abaddon should be a separate, BMP (Bonus Mission Pack) styled DLC of an extended plot starting with the Bloodstone’s shattering and strengthening in Arah, through Jadoth’s plea and the destruction of the Forgotten armada on the Crystal Sea, to the final, epic clash of God of War’s magnitude at the Temple of the Six Gods. With cinematics and what-not…

You guys all got your hopes up, but we might as well get a Zhaitan 2.0 fight ranging from 15 minutes to half an hour.

its so stupid how they give the charr the good option and the girl gets kitten its like they wanna force us to vote that STUPDI charr

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Why should we risk being disappointed when we know for a fact that the Fall of Abaddon would be epic? We’ve had 6 months of rather unimportant Living Story. Up until the Bazaar of the Four Winds they have been irrelevant. I’m hoping you take the right direction with the Zephyrites, but am prepared to be let down as usual.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

@OP
Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich
- from getting resurrected by Ossa

Then you have to replay the mission where you have to fight the Lich and Shiro at the same time in Nightfall.

Ok.

1) Colin already confirmed that the fall we’re talking about in this case is pre-GW1, so its either his initial fall from grace after giving out magic or his imprisonment at the Mouth of Torment.

2) Abaddon was never resurrected by anyone because he never actually died until he was slain in Nightfall; he was imprisoned.

Abaddon influenced Vizier Khilbron (the Lich) to use the forbidden scrolls to sink Orr as an act of vengeance against the other gods. The Lich was probably still under Abaddon’s influence and may have been trying to free him when he was attempting to open the Gate of Komali at Abaddon’s Mouth, which unleashed the titans onto Tyria for a brief amount of time.

Likewise, Varesh Ossa was influenced by her mentor, General Kahyet, into worshipping Abaddon and was also trying to release him from his prison, not resurrect him. Abaddon would have likely broken free eventually even if Varesh had failed because he was regaining his power and rebuilding his body, not unlike Dhuum.

Shiro was influenced by an agent of Abaddon (you can actually met the Margonite who did it in a side quest) to assassinate the Emperor and throw Cantha into disarray.

Edit: Fixed incorrect quoting.

TriggerSad.2597:

Katran.9186:

TriggerSad.2597:

Now I wonder how Mr. Johanson would feel about a designer posting on the forums when he should be working… and posting in support of the enemy party no less! My o’my…

Well, they should answer at threads, aren’t they? People want some info-leaks and stuff

True, but he’s not giving the right info~!
He’s referring to the events that happened in Night Fall, but the Fractal itself will take place way before the story of the original Guild Wars. Back when Abbadon was a god, and not a wannabe Andross.

You are mistaking the things. Mouth of torment is place where Abaddon wast casted down to realm of torment before gw1. and somewhere there was gate of torment in nightfall.
so by using term “mouth of torment” he is making good reference.

You’ve mistaken it with Abaddons Gate which was Nightfall finall mission

and really every gw1 player that was interested in gw1 lore know what exacly happened at the fall of abaddon

Lord Trejgon.2809:

TriggerSad.2597:

Katran.9186:

TriggerSad.2597:

Now I wonder how Mr. Johanson would feel about a designer posting on the forums when he should be working… and posting in support of the enemy party no less! My o’my…

Well, they should answer at threads, aren’t they? People want some info-leaks and stuff

True, but he’s not giving the right info~!
He’s referring to the events that happened in Night Fall, but the Fractal itself will take place way before the story of the original Guild Wars. Back when Abbadon was a god, and not a wannabe Andross.

You are mistaking the things. Mouth of torment is place where Abaddon wast casted down to realm of torment before gw1. and somewhere there was gate of torment in nightfall.
so by using term “mouth of torment” he is making good reference.

You’ve mistaken it with Abaddons Gate which was Nightfall finall mission

and really every gw1 player that was interested in gw1 lore know what exacly happened at the fall of abaddon

I wouldn’t say that we know exactly what happened when Abaddon was imprisoned; however, we do know the outcome and some of the details.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Then you have to replay the mission where you have to fight the Lich and Shiro at the same time in Nightfall.

Except… He wasn’t resurrected. & The Lich wasn’t trying to resurrect him either. He & Shiro just guard the desecrated temple. The only person that tried to do it is Varesh, & she failed. You can’t have a fall story when there is no fall.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

Nor does anyone care.
New does not equal interesting. Old and cool beats new and dull any day.

FALL OF ABADDON please.

though, one day, i hope to see both. lol.

Right on. Epic pre-GW1 lore beats yet-another-asuran-project-gone-wrong any day!

Sir Vincent III.1286:

@OP

Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich
- from getting resurrected by Ossa

So which “fall” are we really talking about here?

It seems to me, his real fall is when Kormir took his place — and I don’t want to relive that event when a blind old lady took away my chance to godhood.

Colin already specified that this fall is a pre-GW1 event, so we’re talking about his initial sealing.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

It matters, but we all pretty much know exactly what happened at the Mouth of Torment.

Nobody knows what happened at Thaumanova…yet.

The Asura dug too deep. Found the Mursaat, Mursaat in return retaliated got rid of any witnesses.

This is our chance to show anet that we do not care about karka and pirates and the inquisition! We care about battle between gods, we care about the history of Tyria (the planet!), we care about the larger picture!

#TeamGnashblade

On guild guru there is a nice addition to the forum. Vote for kiel and vote for evon in the profile. Could you please add something similar here, we need more politics in this forum =)