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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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You’re thinking too much in terms of binary states: “will make everything better for EVERYBODY!” versus “pushing the people of Lion’s Arch into open rebellion”. There’s a middle ground, namely “making things worse for everybody while filling his own pocket without it being SO bad that people are willing to risk their lives over it.”

Evon’s too smart to push things hard enough to provoke a revolt, but he’s certainly smart enough to, and hasn’t shown the morals that would prevent him from*, making backroom deals through the years that allow him to get away with stuff that he can’t get away with now.

As for the “E is Evon and Scarlet is Ellen” tinfoil conspiracy… that’s one I simply can’t take seriously, for the following reasons:

1) Nothing in Marjory’s Story indicates that her assailant is anything other than human. A charr, or for that matter anything else, would be noteworthy enough to be mentioned.

2) I have little reason to believe the true name of “Mr. E” necessarily even has an E in it, and if the assailant is not himself Mr. E, there’s no guarantee that Mr. E is even male. The name has clear signs of having been chosen for the pun, without necessarily pointing at Mystery’s true identity at all.

3) The ‘Scarlet is Ellen’ theory is even more tinfoily. The name was mentioned while Kiel was in earshot, which would not be likely to happen (or at least not in that way) if Ellen was the Scarlet being mentioned.

4) If you go back through your mail, Ellen had an active role in the investigation, locating suspects, finding the Aetherblade hideouts, and arranging raids on them. In her position, she could easily have disrupted the investigation – even if she deemed that it was necessary for it to complete to maintain her own position, she could have given Mai just enough warning for her to escape as well.

Basically, unless I see some actual rational backing for it rather than the politically-minded tinfoil conspiracy theory I see now, I regard that as inadmissible evidence, no more valid than if I was to say that Evon should be eliminated from the running because he’s secretly Flame Legion.

*This isn’t to say that he doesn’t have them, to be fair. However, he hasn’t SHOWN them. While Ellen has shown indications that she does have such morals.

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Posted by: XenusTEHG.1965

XenusTEHG.1965

Evon should put better back item next time and not replace textures from already existent back item.

sorry for my poor english

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Posted by: azureai.9764

azureai.9764

VOTE FOR EVON!

*Competency.
*Charisma.
*Charr.

Evon Gnashblade. The capital candidate.

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Posted by: Mr Agony.1632

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You’re thinking too much in terms of binary states: “will make everything better for EVERYBODY!” versus “pushing the people of Lion’s Arch into open rebellion”. There’s a middle ground, namely “making things worse for everybody while filling his own pocket without it being SO bad that people are willing to risk their lives over it.”

Evon’s too smart to push things hard enough to provoke a revolt, but he’s certainly smart enough to, and hasn’t shown the morals that would prevent him from*, making backroom deals through the years that allow him to get away with stuff that he can’t get away with now.

Ok so I’ve quoted the only part of this that’s anywhere even near worth discussing, as the tinfoil hat conspiracy was merely a covering of bases, and of course I’ve been thinking in binary statements when all you give me are these simplistic doomsday scenarios where Evon ruins Lion’s Arch. For Evon’s “shadiness” to be bad enough not to vote for him it would have to be bad enough for people to rebel. Why? Because the only way he can line his pockets the way you are so convinced he will would be to, for example: destroy all other trade in a trade city, tax the people to hell, prevent the council from doing anything about it, you know, things that when looked at in their basic forms look a lot like what led to Revolutionary War.

That statement aside: We still have no evidence that he will or that he won’t.

Obviously the only way to justify Kiel is to turn to some “Evon will do nothing but evil or shady scoundrel dealings” conspiracy. I have already stated he is for all intent and purposes Lawful Neutral, any argument to the contrary better have some better evidence than you have given me, because I see nothing wrong with his business dealings or his moral character thus far, I have yet to see any of his “moral” character besides his impeccable sense for the economy and good business.

Despite your enumerated list of things wrong with a theory that I myself dismissed last post as conjecture at best, and was only using it as a crappy doomsday example of what “could go horribly wrong with Kiel” like I needed something else besides her inexperience in every arena the candidates should be fighting in. (As well as the fact, to be totally honest I had a number of things wrong with that list as well, but it would just be more conjecture)

On that same string, you have failed to answer any of my previous questions of Kiel’s, competence when it comes to any kind of administration or trade relations. Unless I see some rational evidence behind any of your reasoning instead of poor attempts to dismantle mine, I’m going to have to dismiss your entire argument.

Once again I find what should be a political debate, has burned itself down to “I think he’s a scoundrel, so he doesn’t get my vote.” which in all honesty is just sad. I’m not saying Evon doesn’t have the potential for evil, I’m just saying that his possibility for good far exceeds Kiel’s on a level of raw potential and his permanent game content is something that I want. Those combined factors alone are enough for me to take the risk he “might be bad” over Kiel who “will be good” but until I have some evidence otherwise totally incompetent in the areas that matter most.

An Evon Gnashblade supporter on a desperate search for Kiel’s credentials.

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Posted by: Rapti Bloodspill.5302

Rapti Bloodspill.5302

+300 Evon!
Charr FTW.
Jokes aside – hes way better choice, more interesting character and has brighter future.

Bow before the Mighty Charr!
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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

Evon Gnashblade has a new campaign promise!

(Credit to Horiguchi Hiroshi for the original image.)

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

Evon Gnashblade has a new campaign promise!

(Credit to Horiguchi Hiroshi for the original image.)

Evon says – Kuroneko is best girl!

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Posted by: Sujuro.4096

Sujuro.4096

Evon is the only option that makes any sense! Please read and consider what this means for GW2!
Voting for Gnashblade is best thing we can do to support Guild Wars 2. Even if you don’t buy keys yourself, others will happily pay the reduced price. Think about steam sales. This increases profit for Anet/NCsoft which translates to an increased budget that will provide a solid foundation for future content! Save a miniscule amount of copper on reduced WP prices for a few weeks, or get better more frequent content for years to come? Vote for Gnashblade says you care about the future of Guild Wars 2.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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I’m glad you’ve discarded that theory – I was hoping you were joking by mentioning it at all, since if you honestly regarded that as serious evidence for a rational discussion, there would be no point in continuing.

On Gnashblade abusing a monopoly: You keep thinking that there’s two states: “behave” or “make things so bad that people will rebel”. This is a major fallacy. I’m going to pull some numbers out of my donkey here – I’m being that upfront about it because it doesn’t matter just what the numbers are – just that the thresholds exist, and it’s easier to use actual numbers rather than dancing around quoting specific numbers.

Let’s say the BLTC’s current “cut” is about 10%, between listing price and exchange fees. I think that’s about correct, I haven’t actually done the figures. Being the savvy businessman, Gnashblade has probably set the prices as high as he can without encouraging competitors to appear providing cheaper alternatives.

Now, let’s say that the cut required for people to go into armed revolt is 50%. That’s a serious markup, I know, but seriously – most sane people are going to consider going to a competitor LONG before they start rioting on the streets. So if he manages to push through legislation forbidding competition, then he’s free to raise the Black Lion’s cut to anything between those two thresholds. The cost of business for everyone who isn’t BLTC, or who doesn’t have some special deal with them, goes up accordingly, and everyone except those two exceptions loses. Even if he doesn’t use such legislature to raise prices at all, a guaranteed monopoly prevents anyone from trying to undercut him and gives him little incentive to lower prices when otherwise competition might push him to do so.

No, we don’t know with 100% certainty that he’d do this. In fact, I commented myself in another thread that Gnashblade is currently a thin sheet of a few tidbits of dialogue and information over an empty vessel that people are filling with their own imagination. However, what we DO know indicate that he would if he could get away with it.

He’s noted for being a ruthless businessman, and making use of a political position to better his business at the expense of competition is something a ruthless businessman would do. His actions during the candidate trial suggest that he’s looking for self-interest, not philanthropy (yes, I understand why there are practical issues why he might have made that choice without being a money-grubbing victim, but it’s certainly not a mark in his favour). We know that, despite being richer than the Consortium, he did nothing during the refugee crisis, either to provide aid for himself or to intervene on the refugees’ behalf with the Consortium. Apart from his deciding that it was better not to attempt intimidation tactics against a city with a proud pirate tradition, this is basically all that we know about his personality, and what that’s pointing to suggests that he would not be averse to using power for his own gain at the expense of someone else’s.

What motivation would he have to build and abuse a legislated monopoly? Profit. What motivation would he have to not do so, given the opportunity? Altruism. Now, seriously… which of those motivations do you think drives Evon more?

No, we can’t say for certain what he’d do… but that’s because at this stage we really don’t know squat about his personality. But what we do know suggests that he’s looking out primarily for himself and abuse of power for his own profit is at least a credible risk. There are good reasons why, in most stable democracies, people in office have to divest themselves of all investments that might lead to a conflict of interest between their own investments and the national good.

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People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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On Kiel… to turn your point around, how are you so sure she’s not competent at administration? She’s a military leader – and keep in mind that in a world where nations only have a handful or two of captains, the rank of Lieutenant probably means a lot more than we’re used to in the present day. She’s lead two successful operations and a successful investigation – and before you say they were only successful because of the players, keep in mind that this is an MMO and it’s a trope of MMOs that the players do everything. If we hold to that yardstick, then every military leader on our side is incompetent – and every enemy military leader is also incompetant because they can’t stop a zerg of PCs from overunning them. Plus, in both cases, Kiel was doing stuff behind the scenes – stuff that many players of MMOs would find boring to have to go through themselves. Detailed investigations – not just ‘go to this NPC and get their testimony’, but in-depth examination of evidence and coordination of underlings. And, most importantly for this discussion, administrative stuff.

Now, on the commerce side… I’d concede that she lacks Evon’s experience there. Evon, however, doesn’t have Kiel’s military record (although coming from a charr background, he’d at least know the basics… but from his background story, he was just a grunt before he became the leader of the Black Lion Trading Company). However, I have three counterpoints to make here. The first is that the Captain’s Council already has businesspeople on it, so it’s not like there’s a merchant-shaped hole that desperately needs to be filled. Secondly, there’s probably reasons why Magnus sent Kiel to perform the negotiations – because 1) he’s confident that she can handle it, and 2) if she proves she can handle it, that shows she does have the level of commercial negotiation skills that would be needed for the Captain’s Council.

Finally, if Evon is a more competent administrator and negotiator… So what? History is filled with people who were frighteningly efficient at politics and management, but proved in the long run to be bad for their nation. Morals can be more important to the national good than simple competence – although of course you want a certain minimum standard of both.

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

Smooth Penguin.5294

Military leader my rear. We’re the ones who did all the work.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

draxynnic.3719

Since you obviously missed it:

{snip} and before you say they were only successful because of the players, keep in mind that this is an MMO and it’s a trope of MMOs that the players do everything. If we hold to that yardstick, then every military leader on our side is incompetent – and every enemy military leader is also incompetant because they can’t stop a zerg of PCs from overunning them.

Watching an NPC military do all the work doesn’t make for good gameplay, and thus we don’t see it. I really doubt that it says on ArenaNet’s character design for Logan, Smodur the Unflinching, Niamh, and all the other officers and leaders of friendly military organisations that they are all incompetent and couldn’t find their rear with both hands without the players to come along and bail them out. Rather, it’s that PC volunteers are among the resources they have available to achieve their objectives.

This is an MMO, and one of the MMO tropes is that the PCs will be involved in pretty much every significant event because it’d be less fun and interesting if they weren’t. That’s something that you have to account for.

In Kiel’s case specifically – in Canach’s lair, the contract escort, the Aetherblade retreat raid, and so on… she took the initiative. We just happened to be the best resource(s) available for the job, but we acted on her direction.

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Posted by: Shiren.9532

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Since you obviously missed it:

{snip} and before you say they were only successful because of the players, keep in mind that this is an MMO and it’s a trope of MMOs that the players do everything. If we hold to that yardstick, then every military leader on our side is incompetent – and every enemy military leader is also incompetant because they can’t stop a zerg of PCs from overunning them.

Watching an NPC military do all the work doesn’t make for good gameplay, and thus we don’t see it. I really doubt that it says on ArenaNet’s character design for Logan, Smodur the Unflinching, Niamh, and all the other officers and leaders of friendly military organisations that they are all incompetent and couldn’t find their rear with both hands without the players to come along and bail them out. Rather, it’s that PC volunteers are among the resources they have available to achieve their objectives.

This is an MMO, and one of the MMO tropes is that the PCs will be involved in pretty much every significant event because it’d be less fun and interesting if they weren’t. That’s something that you have to account for.

In Kiel’s case specifically – in Canach’s lair, the contract escort, the Aetherblade retreat raid, and so on… she took the initiative. We just happened to be the best resource(s) available for the job, but we acted on her direction.

Actions, not words, make heroes.

If I wanted to see someone else do everything, I’d watch a movie or read a book. I play games so I can play the hero.

If it makes more sense that the NPC is more important than the player in the story, the story sucks. It doesn’t matter to me why Kiel is in the spotlight all the time while the player is just the gameplay and mechanics sidekick, all that matters is that it happened.

Kiel is just a glorified quest giver. I don’t see people arguing that every quest giver in any game ever should have gotten the credit for completing the quest. Why should Kiel be any different?

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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First, because Kiel has taken actions as well, even if in some cases she’s made use of heroes as assistants. (Not in all, though, but the things she did without us being around are less visible because, by definition, we weren’t there for all of it – but the hints were there she was doing stuff behind the scenes.)

Second, this is an MMO. When doing the events in Southsun, there were dozens of players. Unless you’re really pro, there were probably five of you in Aetherblade Retreat. There’s one Council seat up for grabs. So, which of the hundreds of thousands of Guild Wars players should get that seat? Or is it better to have a situation where every player is supposedly in the seat, but can’t actually get anything done on their own initiative? Now, there are things I would probably want to do with a Captain’s Council seat if I got one, but if ArenaNet had turned the Living Story so that I got it, then short of joining the design team myself and my character becoming essentially an NPC that I drove from the GM’s chair, i would never be able to. Plus, being an administrator would mean I’d have to cut back on adventuring!

With that consideration, having NPCs that are friends of our characters and who acknowledge the roles our characters had to play rise to power is the next best thing that can actually be implemented in an MMO without creating dissonances in the suspension of disbelief. This is a game of adventure, not administration – we’re not the ones managing countries, instead we’re the baddest fighters around on the side of the good people of Tyria. Essentially, the story of GW2 is one where we’re in the roles of the likes of Lancelot, Galahad and Roland, not King Arthur or Charlemagne. We’re not the leaders, we’re the big guns that get fired at enemies, and Kiel has been one of those deciding where to point us. And when push comes to shove, what’s important for a role like being on the Captain’s Council is the character’s ability to point that gun, not their ability to be the gun themselves.

Plus, half of the event chains and heart quests in the game have the NPCs turning around and claiming most of the credit, acknowledging that you assisted at best. Kiel’s just higher profile than a letter that tells you “your actions resulted in a 2% increase in efficiency. Note that our analysis has a 2% error margin.”

To sum it all up:

What do you think the role of the Captain’s Council is likely to be going forward apart from glorified content triggers? If Ellen is a glorified quest giver, then the Captain’s Council is the place for a glorified quest giver. Ours is on the front lines, not kittening around in political meetings.

(Mind you, this discussion is giving me an idea. Might have to think it over while taking a break from the computer and head over to the suggestion forums.

EDIT: Here)

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People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: RedStar.4218

RedStar.4218

Kiel will simply follow Magnus, never opposing him…Yep that’s going to be a nice addition to the council.

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Posted by: Northlander.4619

Northlander.4619

If someone can help me complete Evon T4 on Piken Square I’ll turn my roughly 300 tokens in for Evon (and even promise to get a support bundle). Otherwise they go to Kiel. Look up Taun Whitemane.

Edit: Also if I get a single thief/warrior running this for me I’m paying 5 gold for this but only on a succesful run

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Kiel will simply follow Magnus, never opposing him…Yep that’s going to be a nice addition to the council.

Kiel has shown she has the ability to take initiative.

Yes, it’s likely that she’ll be an ally of Magnus on the council… but what we know of Magnus suggests that this isn’t a bad thing. Magnus’ priorities seem, pretty much, to be the same as ours are – the defence of Tyrian civilisation against those that would tear it down.

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They hate her the way Star Wars fans hate Jar Jar Binks.

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Posted by: Mr Agony.1632

Mr Agony.1632

Honestly, and I know this sounds like the typical internet #$%-pull (Ex: “I have a PhD in [insert whatever we’re arguing about]”), I was going to type up a summary list of points and counter points to your previous post. That said, I’ve finally remembered why I stated I was not going to respond to my original post. Despite whatever list I had planned, I feel as though your door-stopper of a post has advanced your argument absolutely nowhere, and as snobby as this sounds, I really don’t want to put forth the effort to respond in full.

So as the time of reckoning draws closer, and the amount these posts matter means less and less as it is obvious neither of us is making any difference in the polls and you and I have gained absolutely no ground in convincing one another to “convert” to either of our respective views. (Though the final statement of your last post makes it all too obvious you’ve decided, it doesn’t matter if I have gained ground or not.)
I’ve decided to put this debate to a conclusion.

Well I suppose, as the only other person involved, the fact that I’m not going to respond to this anymore is clear enough, but I figured I might as well try to end it with at least a little formality.

Whatever the outcome of the election, I’ve enjoyed the mental stimulation having someone to debate against has provided and I’m sure, knowing myself, we’ll be doing this again sometime soon. Until then, I thank you for your time and effort. It’s been fun discussing with you again.

An Evon Gnashblade supporter on a desperate search for Kiel’s credentials.

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Posted by: draxynnic.3719

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Yeah, I think it’s probably a good time to let this wind down.

If you do have a background that gives a particular insight, I’d be interested to hear it (but put it in a PM so we can both regard it as not being part of the campaign and treat it accordingly).

The thing that’s really tragic about this, though, is that we really don’t know enough to make an informed decision. It’s bad enough that the Kormir effect (and its partner, Awesome NPC Becomes Useless After Joining Your Party effect) has had such a big part to play in the election – a lot of people have formed an opinion based on Ellen which probably has more to do with the flaws in ANet’s storytelling then her actual character.

But, the really frustrating thing is… we have these big grey areas in their personalities and histories that our characters should know or be able to find out. Gnashblade and the BLTC aren’t exactly low-profile – the BLTC would be more like the Microsoft or Walmart of Tyria, if someone doesn’t know of their scandals and successes offhand, they can probably find someone or some record that does. Particularly well-connected characters might even be able to find out some parts of Evon’s service record with the Ash Legion. Similarly, information on Ellen can probably be found, if not publically, then by buying a few rounds at the Lionguard tavern. We should have more to go on beyond a few scraps of text, the short background stories, the Southsun and Dragon Bash events, and the total lack of anything from the BLTC up to now apart from the odd reference when talking to Consortium representatives.

I should be able to cite the time when Evon drove a startup competitor broke by operating at a loss for longer than the competitor could sustain, only to jack up the prices to more than make up for the loss afterwards. You should be able to counter with the scandal of Kiel’s first quartermaster role, where she forgot to take into account that the norn food ration is 50% greater than that for human Lionguard.

But we don’t have any of these. As I’ve said elsewhere, what we have is essentially a cardboard cutout over an empty well which we are attempting to fill with interpretation, speculation and imagination.

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Posted by: Mr Agony.1632

Mr Agony.1632

I completely agree. It seems each side is really just trying to base entire arguments off of what is available and there really isn’t a lot to go off of. My hope would be in the future, we have an event or back-story, something, that really fills in the personality gaps. I’d have loved to put this whole thing off another month and have Evon be a main force in say, the up coming Jubilee, being a rich and influential man(charr), he’d easily have box seats for whatever it is the queen is doing and be a perfect intro to his basic motivations outside the business world (If he has any). We would have a bit more to go off of, maybe a beginning to the rivalry between the candidates or some such thing.

Though I don’t have my PhD yet. I’m going to be starting college to try to get qualified to write the kind of stuff we’re arguing over for a living. Its the lore that I love, and I want to be able to bring a world to life enough that I have guys like us debating fantasy politics for a few days.

Anyway, as I said, it was good to discuss with you and I look forward to it in the future. Maybe next time we can both have a nuclear stockpile of hard facts at our disposal, and then we can really get into it.

’Til then, take care.

An Evon Gnashblade supporter on a desperate search for Kiel’s credentials.

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Posted by: AlecFair.1270

AlecFair.1270

I am going for Gnashblade. Kiel blew up my freaking airship I was gonna steal from the Aetherblades. >:C

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Posted by: Seras.5241

Seras.5241

Its not too late all!
Save a kitten
Vote Gnashblade
#TeamGnashblade

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Posted by: TehPwnerer.7215

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I highly suggest anyone interested in the better of the two fractals get to voting. It closes is under 10 hours apparently.

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Posted by: Tinni.4351

Tinni.4351

I put in all my voting tokens into Evon’s bucket but its not enough! sob I am so angry! I didn’t even bother getting a Kiel doll because who the f—- wants a Kiel doll! Evon 4 ever!

My brain is shagging under the weight of changes… having six characters was not a good idea!

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Posted by: the devils eye.9258

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Evon!!!

Clearly the only viable candidate, I hear Kiel is responsible for all nerfs, I mean shes a greatsword wielding warrior… Need I say more?

While Evon is responsible for all buffs in the game, I mean more buffs = more farming = more trading post taxes.

The choice is clear…. Evon

As a dev you should be neutral toward this voting…
If you work at GW2 dev team the choice is indeed clear:

Evon means 1 GEM (popular) item getting cheaper, means more people buying gems in the hope the black lion chest gives them something nice (which doesn’t happen btw..)
Which means higher prices for gems less people can do whit it whit in game gold making them buy them faster whit credit card…, so ya evon is logic choice if Anet pays you’re monthly paycheck…

This competition in voting is rigged from start:

A) they promise you better fractal (only by using a fancy name btw… if people could play them than vote… I really wonder if they still want there old forgotten god…)
B) Evon has better mini game thats more fun to game…
C) Evon gets promoted even by the devs… (reason why is above)
D) You can’t see the voting in game and where the stand is so after all Anet can say what they wan’t about it… so despite the fact voting for ellen its almost 90% sure evon will win….

So this is why you vote for ellen kiel:

- It doesn’t impact the gem prices which mean in overall you will end up cheaper.
- an exploding reactor is also fun look, a lot of destruction etc, and common its fun to see those tiny assura getting eaten up by some beast and to see them run away whit there pointy heads and than there stupid comments much better than a long forgotten god on who nobody care about…
- She is a warrior whit a greatsword perfect to start cutting of the heads of all those chars… she should as first act start a war against all chars… (even when she looses the vote(s) because of rigged competitions…
- she could force that ugly mean char that rips us of every time 15% of tp sales to make us only pay like 5%
- she could start a war against the char for ripping us of… now that would be fun to see here bash in whit her greatsword on his ugly char head…

(the ones that death leveled in GW1 will know why it is so much fun to kick char there ugly buts…)

And yes i probably will get bad points for this post again…

But I will never vote ingame for anything that makes the prices go up. whit the result people will use there credit card more…

And i do support gw2 by buying from time to time gems, but this event is just so wrong and the way devs support it makes me really think twice about buying some gems from time to time…

Vote kiel… make kiel force the char to lower merchant fee prices on tp, and than make kiel force that ugly char to support the fractal anyway.

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Posted by: RedStar.4218

RedStar.4218

It’s “Charr”…

And honestly, before this whole thing started, I bet most players only knew TR because of “Fire Elemental boss who gives a chest”.

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Posted by: Greyfur.1082

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How did I get a letter from Keil , thanking me for the support ;she didn’t get one vote from me.

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Posted by: mtpelion.4562

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Well, time to sell my holdings in Lion’s Arch. Ellen Kiel’s grotesque incompetence was manageable in her limited position as head of the Lionguard, but now that she has been given enough authority to be dangerous it is time for me to expatriate to a safer location. On the upside, I do look forward to being well compensated for my efforts in saving Lion’s Arch from whatever disaster will surely befall it in the impending future as a result of her untimely ascension.

Server: Devona’s Rest

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Posted by: TehPwnerer.7215

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Well, time to sell my holdings in Lion’s Arch. Ellen Kiel’s grotesque incompetence was manageable in her limited position as head of the Lionguard, but now that she has been given enough authority to be dangerous it is time for me to expatriate to a safer location. On the upside, I do look forward to being well compensated for my efforts in saving Lion’s Arch from whatever disaster will surely befall it in the impending future as a result of her untimely ascension.

Agreed. Funny how so many liked her. She’s more incompetent than the plant that took credit for our personal stories.

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Posted by: Lucky.9421

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Evon will always be #1 in my book.

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Posted by: wolfer.7945

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The whole thing was rigged by that norn guy. He never liked Evon. He set up Ellen with everything. So really, we just elected a pocket caption. Great job everyone.

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

Kain Francois.4328

cries T____T

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Posted by: Derpula Stevens.8249

Derpula Stevens.8249

Nachs: Norn. Asura. Charr. Human. Sylvari

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Sorry, Evon. You should have paid more attention to all those letters slipped into your pocket listing specific Black Lion Chest goodies to be mailed to an anonymous location in Claypool. :P