Guild Wars 2

Let me get this straight. The answer to “fixing” the problem with the meta-achievement for the Dragon-Bash was to remove the Dragon Ball achievements from the meta? Seriously?

This is akin to spitting on the people who have already spent the time in the poorly implemented and altogether “unfun” activity.

I applaud you for realizing that these two achievements were tedious and seen by the playerbase as entirely too high of a number to be a fun thing to do. But, why remove them from counting for the meta? Why not allow your players to choose between doing Dragon Ball (a tedious game/achievement) or spending a ton of money gambling away on Moa Races (a huge slap in the face to the community since we have been complaining about RNG based things since day one).

Honestly, I love GW2, but since launch, it has become clear that the powers that be do not understand what the playerbase wants and needs for the game to continue to be fun and engaging. I want choice and fun, not what we have seen in this event.

The game devs make poor decisions, then punish the playerbase.

Again.

Hey, at least this time they’re not banning people for their own mistakes, right?

Right?

Some designer already apologized about it in a other post. For some reason they don’t want it to count. ‘Spat on’ is melodramatic, but should the moa wins be a requirement to get the event reward then I think counting either this or moa racing to achieve it is quite a good idea

Working as intended my friend.

Get used to that, after all, is the favorite “way” to “fix” things in this game.

discorampage.7013:

Some designer already apologized about it in a other post. For some reason they don’t want it to count. ‘Spat on’ is melodramatic, but should the moa wins be a requirement to get the event reward then I think counting either this or moa racing to achieve it is quite a good idea

There was also another response, that was posted on the forums, not on some obscure feed:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Dragon-Bash-Experience-achievement-bugged/page/2#post2215764

Which one is the one players should take at face value?

*edit spelling

I didn’t know they were ever included in the meta? I got them day one just because I genuinely enjoyed the activity (Anet can’t please anyone),
also I don’t know why I have to keep telling people this, but there are 11 achievements you can get towards the meta without having to do Moas/Dragon Ball anyway. Not only that but they’ve changed the total amount needed down to 8 achieves. Just because you can’t get it today doesn’t mean you can’t ever get it. Be patient.

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

niwaar.5631:

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

Wait, what the kitten? When did this happen?

umm…. they never counted….

So you’ve lost exactly nothing, and you also now need less overall achievements.

niwaar.5631:

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

Wait, so you’re complaining that you had to do the Dragon Ball achieves even though you hated it, and now that they’ve ‘removed’ (they were never there) from the meta you’re complaining that you don’t have enough choice?
Wow.
The choice is to just not get the shattered wings. If you want them, do the task necessary to get the reward.

Resonance.4216:

niwaar.5631:

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

Wait, what the kitten? When did this happen?

Patch Notes:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-June-11th-2013

Achievements

A new Dragon Bash category has been added for achievements involving the Dragon Bash festivities.
The Dragon Bash Experience meta-achievement will reward a set of Holographic Shattered Dragon Wings back item skin for players who have completed 10 out of the 14 total Dragon Bash achievements (Case Closed not included).
Fourteen new Dragon Bash festival achievements have been added. Please note that The Big Boom in the Big City, Case Closed, the Ceremony and Acrimony achievement line, and Burn Down The Dragons cannot be completed until additional Dragon Bash content is unlocked at a later time.

Canakun.8031:

niwaar.5631:

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

Wait, so you’re complaining that you had to do the Dragon Ball achieves even though you hated it, and now that they’ve ‘removed’ (they were never there) from the meta you’re complaining that you don’t have enough choice?
Wow.
The choice is to just not get the shattered wings. If you want them, do the task necessary to get the reward.

They were never “not” there.

There was another post from an ANet employee that them not counting was an “issue”:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Dragon-Bash-Experience-achievement-bugged/page/2#post2215764

Stephane Lo Presti

French Community Manager

Hi everyone,

We’re aware of the issue and have been working on a fix that we hope to push at the beginning of next week.

Then, we’re told:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Achievements-9-done-only-counts-as-7/first#post2229781

William Fairfield

Game Designer

During my live stream on Friday I confirmed that the Dragon Ball achievements would not count towards the overall. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

I dunno about you, but I don’t dig up live feeds for information. We look at what is posted in threads here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs

and maybe this event forum.

I have disagreed with the devs a lot on their “fixes” to various jobs and stuff but this out right makes me angry. That was the worst (probably about 3 hrs) of the game I have ever done and now it means kitten.

My god you people kitten and whine about everything. If I were a dev, I’d never post in these forums again.

Resonance.4216:

The game devs make poor decisions, then punish the playerbase.

Again.

Kinda like what happened with people who had a lot of ectos and they made those very common…

and recently how they cut down the price of dust to about 1/3 of what it was and screwed over people who had a stack for their legendary, like me…

Anet screws over their players a lot. It’s pretty sad.

Stark.1350:

My god you people kitten and whine about everything. If I were a dev, I’d never post in these forums again.

Then that would be a poor business decision. Especially with a F2P game.

No one is whining. People are asking why this was done, and mixed messages were given.

I thought it was pretty obvious. You needed 10 achievements for the meta. They announced only Case Closed wouldn’t count, in the patch notes. People point out that Dragon Ball achievements aren’t counting. They admit these achievements won’t count, and lower the meta requirement by two so you still don’t have to do everything if you want to get the achievement (which, if you didn’t do the fireworks, Dragon Ball, or Moa Racing, you would need to).

The idea behind not having to complete every achievement to get the meta is that they want you to be able to choose which content you want to do. They don’t want to force players to do PvP (Dragon Ball), gambling (Moa Racing), or see time-limited content (Firework Finale), so they only require enough achievements so you don’t have to do those. You CAN do those if you want, but you didn’t have to. When Dragon Ball wasn’t counting, they gave players more leeway to complete the meta.

Looking at it another way, they seem to have basically given everyone two free achievements without actually giving them the achievements.

If that’s not actually the case, then consider that maybe they weren’t able to add the Dragon Ball achievement hook (or didn’t want to) in a hotfix, but could lower the required number of achievements.

I don’t know, I’m just an onlooker here. :P

niwaar.5631:

Let me get this straight. The answer to “fixing” the problem with the meta-achievement for the Dragon-Bash was to remove the Dragon Ball achievements from the meta? Seriously?

This is akin to spitting on the people who have already spent the time in the poorly implemented and altogether “unfun” activity.

I applaud you for realizing that these two achievements were tedious and seen by the playerbase as entirely too high of a number to be a fun thing to do. But, why remove them from counting for the meta? Why not allow your players to choose between doing Dragon Ball (a tedious game/achievement) or spending a ton of money gambling away on Moa Races (a huge slap in the face to the community since we have been complaining about RNG based things since day one).

Honestly, I love GW2, but since launch, it has become clear that the powers that be do not understand what the playerbase wants and needs for the game to continue to be fun and engaging. I want choice and fun, not what we have seen in this event.

This game may not be for you in its current implementation; i for one enjoyed dragon ball immensely and still play it even though i have long since earned the achievements.

Vahkris.6847:

I thought it was pretty obvious. You needed 10 achievements for the meta. They announced only Case Closed wouldn’t count, in the patch notes. People point out that Dragon Ball achievements aren’t counting. They admit these achievements won’t count, and lower the meta requirement by two so you still don’t have to do everything if you want to get the achievement (which, if you didn’t do the fireworks, Dragon Ball, or Moa Racing, you would need to).

The idea behind not having to complete every achievement to get the meta is that they want you to be able to choose which content you want to do. They don’t want to force players to do PvP (Dragon Ball), gambling (Moa Racing), or see time-limited content (Firework Finale), so they only require enough achievements so you don’t have to do those. You CAN do those if you want, but you didn’t have to. When Dragon Ball wasn’t counting, they gave players more leeway to complete the meta.

Looking at it another way, they seem to have basically given everyone two free achievements without actually giving them the achievements.

If that’s not actually the case, then consider that maybe they weren’t able to add the Dragon Ball achievement hook (or didn’t want to) in a hotfix, but could lower the required number of achievements.

I don’t know, I’m just an onlooker here. :P

well its definately a good decision to lower the achievements needed to get the wings so people can avoid the ones they dont wanna do.
altho i dont know if its just me but on my achievements list the requirement is still 10
it doesnt want 8 it still wants 10

They apologized for this in another thread…but I for one am tired of apologies. I want results, not sympathy every other week when something gets borked.

If they want you to have a choice in how you achieve it but realise that several achievements are PvP based and shouldn’t be required they should make the dragonball achievements count and just lower the required number? It makes no sense to just disregard dragonball entirely.

Siobhan.5273:

Resonance.4216:

niwaar.5631:

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

Wait, what the kitten? When did this happen?

Patch Notes:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-June-11th-2013

Achievements

A new Dragon Bash category has been added for achievements involving the Dragon Bash festivities.
The Dragon Bash Experience meta-achievement will reward a set of Holographic Shattered Dragon Wings back item skin for players who have completed 10 out of the 14 total Dragon Bash achievements (Case Closed not included).
Fourteen new Dragon Bash festival achievements have been added. Please note that The Big Boom in the Big City, Case Closed, the Ceremony and Acrimony achievement line, and Burn Down The Dragons cannot be completed until additional Dragon Bash content is unlocked at a later time.

The Case Closed achievement doesn’t count towards the meta. The achievements that count towards Case Closed, however, do count toward the meta too.

Siobhan.5273:

Canakun.8031:

niwaar.5631:

They actually went out of their way to say the achievements for Case Closed do not count towards the meta. So yeah… Why shouldn’t we complain?

Furthermore, its about choice, and fun. There simply is none in there now.

Wait, so you’re complaining that you had to do the Dragon Ball achieves even though you hated it, and now that they’ve ‘removed’ (they were never there) from the meta you’re complaining that you don’t have enough choice?
Wow.
The choice is to just not get the shattered wings. If you want them, do the task necessary to get the reward.

They were never “not” there.

There was another post from an ANet employee that them not counting was an “issue”:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Dragon-Bash-Experience-achievement-bugged/page/2#post2215764

Stephane Lo Presti

French Community Manager

Hi everyone,

We’re aware of the issue and have been working on a fix that we hope to push at the beginning of next week.

Then, we’re told:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Achievements-9-done-only-counts-as-7/first#post2229781

William Fairfield

Game Designer

During my live stream on Friday I confirmed that the Dragon Ball achievements would not count towards the overall. We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

I dunno about you, but I don’t dig up live feeds for information. We look at what is posted in threads here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs

and maybe this event forum.

Wait, wait, wait…
So he didn’t enjoy the achievements, and originally they weren’t counting towards the meta, which was a bug, but he’s complaining now that they’ve been officially removed from the meta, even though the meta has been decreased to 8 instead of 10?
Some people just need to complain about stuff, I guess.

Also the difference between “they didn’t count” and “they didn’t count because of a bug, but they should have” is really very minimal and I’m sure there was a better use of your time then correcting something like that.