Guild Wars 2

I just wanted to post my support for ANet adding the weapon skins for all events as a direct buy option in the Gem Store. I would buy them directly and think that you should add them to the shop just like you did for the Wintersday event skins.

The Jade skins are good enough to buy directly and I could see myself buy at least two of them, maybe even three.

I have no interest in RNG however. If you want my money, add things to the store.

If you agree, please post your support.

I was certainly hoping the Rich Coffers would guarantee tickets, and if they had I’d have paid more per coffer without complaint.

If RNG is going to govern so many items, there should be vastly more items one can simply buy with gems. Countess Anise’s top springs to mind … and all the other wonderful NPC clothings.

How many gems would you guys be willing to pay for a guaranteed ticket?

Anet makes more money with people buying boxes than they would with people being able to directly buy the tickets.

So no. Not happening.

I’d drop 400 gems on a skin

I’d be fine with spending up to 800 gems per skin if they look good, same price as the Braham and Rox items. I’d spend up to 0 gems per RNG Box for a small chance at a good looking skin, which is what I’ve been doing.

I don’t know if this kapitalism comes from ArenaNet or NCSoft, eitherway it makes me so angry

PurebladeProductions.4875:

I’d be fine with spending up to 800 gems per skin … spend up to 0 gems per RNG Box for a small chance at a good looking skin, which is what I’ve been doing.

However, a guy spending 3200 gems on rng boxes can make up for the loss of 3 of you not spending any. And it’s not far-fetched to assume that more than 25% of the player base are like him.

So yeah, your support is not needed.

I have 12 characters across two accounts. I would be willing to pay as much as 800 gems for one of these skins. I sat down last night and figured out how many skins I would actually want to buy across all my characters. Some I wouldn’t bother, some weapons I don’t think are that great, but I arrived at 12 as the total number of skins I would be willing to buy if they were sold directly.

That’s 9600 gems I’d be willing to purchase and spend to be able to buy the skins directly. How much will I spend on RNG boxes with a 1 in 100 chance at a skin? Zero, nada zilch.

Most people probably wouldn’t buy 12, but a think exponentially more people would buy at least one than will be willing to chase a skin via the rip-off rng boxes!

These things make no sense, have never made sense and have likely cost the company $100 million of lost revenue since launch.

Not to mention all the bad will they generate and the fact that a portion of people who are willing to spend $50 to $100+ on RNG boxes, only to fail to get the skin, will never spend another dollar on the game again.

Brilliant people they have working on the gem store…

Fiontar.4695:

I have 12 characters across two accounts. I would be willing to pay as much as 800 gems for one of these skins. I sat down last night and figured out how many skins I would actually want to buy across all my characters. Some I wouldn’t bother, some weapons I don’t think are that great, but I arrived at 12 as the total number of skins I would be willing to buy if they were sold directly.

That’s 9600 gems I’d be willing to purchase and spend to be able to buy the skins directly. How much will I spend on RNG boxes with a 1 in 100 chance at a skin? Zero, nada zilch.

Most people probably wouldn’t buy 12, but a think exponentially more people would buy at least one than will be willing to chase a skin via the rip-off rng boxes!

These things make no sense, have never made sense and have likely cost the company $100 million of lost revenue since launch.

Not to mention all the bad will they generate and the fact that a portion of people who are willing to spend $50 to $100+ on RNG boxes, only to fail to get the skin, will never spend another dollar on the game again.

Brilliant people they have working on the gem store…

This is my point. I agree with you, that NCSoft has lost revenue from me based on these RNG only skins. They might make money on the RNG boxes, but they would also make money on skins in the gem store.

MokahTGS.7850:

This is my point. I agree with you, that NCSoft has lost revenue from me based on these RNG only skins. They might make money on the RNG boxes, but they would also make money on skins in the gem store.

They certainly have made more than enough revenue off of whelps who squelch their money on RNG games, thinking that it will be different or something.

But it’s not my money so it’s none of my business.

They really don’t give a crap about their customers so….

You can obviously tell NCsoft has their hand in the pot WAY more than Anet like to admit to us.

You will not see this… Im sorry, every event has been this way. It is apparently working for them to sell RNG.

RNG gemstore box does not need guaranteed skin ticket, but the gemstore RNG box has: if you don’t get a skin ticket, you get a complementary ticket.

25 complementary tickets = 1 skin ticket.

I bought both a wintersday skin and braham’s shield, I would gladly spend money-purchased gems on more skins that I liked. (I don’t change gold to gems, the rate is too high and I budget my disposable income for the things I like to do, gaming, eating out, clothes, etc)

I’m not buying rng boxes. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I don’t want to gamble. So if that means I don’t get skins, oh well.

MokahTGS.7850:

I just wanted to post my support for ANet adding the weapon skins for all events as a direct buy option in the Gem Store. I would buy them directly and think that you should add them to the shop just like you did for the Wintersday event skins.

The Jade skins are good enough to buy directly and I could see myself buy at least two of them, maybe even three.

I have no interest in RNG however. If you want my money, add things to the store.

If you agree, please post your support.

I completely agree. I’d pay 800 gems for a pack of all 19 weapons or 100 gems per weapon so I could double up on the ones I really want. I’d end up buying 8 of them or so

I won’t waste money on RNG boxes at all.

loquacious.2915:

Anet makes more money with people buying boxes than they would with people being able to directly buy the tickets.

So no. Not happening.

This! This is also why we don’t have a subscription.

Imaginos.3756:

MokahTGS.7850:

I just wanted to post my support for ANet adding the weapon skins for all events as a direct buy option in the Gem Store. I would buy them directly and think that you should add them to the shop just like you did for the Wintersday event skins.

The Jade skins are good enough to buy directly and I could see myself buy at least two of them, maybe even three.

I have no interest in RNG however. If you want my money, add things to the store.

If you agree, please post your support.

I completely agree. I’d pay 800 gems for a pack of all 19 weapons or 80 gems per weapon so I could double up on the ones I really want. I’d end up buying 8 of them or so

I won’t waste money on RNG boxes at all.

Really? 800 gems for all the skins? I hate this model as much as the next guy…but that would be absurd.

I would like to give my support for ANet to continue selling RNG boxes like they have been. Even though it’s NCSoft who is making the money off it and not ANet, it’s a better business model and much more effective.

Since ANet policy is that skins are meant to be ground for, and not just handed out or sold directly this is directly in adherance to their design direction.

Let’s say a player purchased 50 rich coffers (and I know there are plenty of people who have, or sometimes even more). This player wants to get 4 skins from the RNG. In order to get the SAME profit (note: same, not more profit) those weapon skins would have to be sold for 1,000 gems per skin. I don’t think most people in this thread would very much agree to that.

I agree, was going to make a suggestion thread about it but you beat me to it, add jade weapon skins to gem store pretty please.

Agreed. The drop odds this time around are atrocious. 40 bucks I’ll never see again.

DeShadowWolf.6854:

Let’s say a player purchased 50 rich coffers (and I know there are plenty of people who have, or sometimes even more). This player wants to get 4 skins from the RNG. In order to get the SAME profit (note: same, not more profit) those weapon skins would have to be sold for 1,000 gems per skin. I don’t think most people in this thread would very much agree to that.

First, you will be lucky to get one skin from 50 rich coffers. Very lucky.

Second, you assume that only people willing to buy RNG boxes will be willing to buy skins directly. That is absolutely not true.

If 1% of the population spends an average of $50 on RNG chasing the dragon, but 10% of the population would buy at least one skin for $10, they would make twice as much money just selling the skins directly.

I’m guessing the discrepancy would be even greater. I think the ratio of people willing to buy skins directly vs. those that will chase the RNG dragon could be 30 to 1 and I think that a portion of those people would buy more than one skin. 30 people spending an average of $20 each greatly outweighs 1 person spending $50.

There is also a serious hidden cost to going the RNG route. It has squandered hard earned good will, built bad will and almost certainly takes a portion of people willing to spend money on RNG boxes and turned them completely off to making further purchases.

Short term cash grabs might work for some vapid F2P game that needs to suck as much money as possible from people before they realize the game sucks. GW2 is one of the best AAA MMOs ever to hit the genre and had the very real potential to be the most successful MMO since WoW. I always assumed GW2 was a guaranteed $1Billion+ title over the course of it’s life time, but that’s never going to happen if you borrow things like RNG boxes from F2P kitten kitten MMO business models.

I stand by my assertion that who ever is in charge of running the gem store and forcing the RNG boxes down our throats is costing NCSoft tens of millions of dollars of potential revenue monthly and those losses will only compound with the continued generation of ill-will. The long term success of the game is actually threatened, not only due to reduced revenue, but the unnecessary shredding of customers willing to spend money on the game.

I would buy a guaranteed skin off the gem store for 800-1k gems per. With the current and past skin’s, Id buy 3-4 minimum.
I defiantly support the skin on the gem store option. But I would prefer if skins were handled in the way of April content – SAB.

Fiontar has the right of it … say there’s a million folks playing, and 1% of those are willing to spend $100 on coffers. That’s $1,000,000. A nice chunk of change. But, if 30% of those million players were willing to spend $20 on a skin, that’s $6,000,000. I’d certainly be one of those willing to spend gems on a skin, perhaps even a few. But run the RNG roulette and spend RL money for candy and other edibles? No thanks.

Lots of made up statistics in this thread. Anet has the real data. They use RNG boxes for every event almost certainly because their data tell them the RNG boxes make more money. They’ve probably even accounted for the ill will caused by RNG boxes and yet the RNG boxes still come out ahead.

Personally, I’m guessing that we’d all be shocked at how much a ticket is actually worth (in other words, the number of rich coffers sold divided by total number of tickets in them) and would never buy one at that price.

TLDR: the only way to stop RNG boxes is to not buy them.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Lots of made up statistics in this thread. Anet has the real data. They use RNG boxes for every event almost certainly because their data tell them the RNG boxes make more money. They’ve probably even accounted for the ill will caused by RNG boxes and yet the RNG boxes still come out ahead.

Personally, I’m guessing that we’d all be shocked at how much a ticket is actually worth (in other words, the number of rich coffers sold divided by total number of tickets in them) and would never buy one at that price.

TLDR: the only way to stop RNG boxes is to not buy them.

What data would tell them RNG boxes make more money? The desirability of skins have varied from event to event. The only event that I’m aware of where they sold a full compliment of weapon skins directly was Wintersday. Those were not very desirable skins. They were highly seasonable which made them even less desirable. To use that as a data point vs. the revenue generated by RNG chests would be idiotic.

There are no other data points.

What would I have done differently with this event?

I’d double the chances of getting skins from the paid Dragon Coffers.

I’d add a Dragon Breath mist effect to the mouth of the dragon for all the skins purchasable via tickets and make them trade-able.

I’d sell the skins with out the dragon breath effect directly for 600-800 gems, account bound.

I’d have put “consolation prizes” in the RNG chests worth getting, so even people who don’t get as many tickets as hoped wouldn’t feel completely ripped off.

I’d also allow people to purchase a skin ticket with 50,000 Zhaitaffies.

Minimal additional effort. A lot more happy people and I would bet you that the total revenue would easily double what they will earn from the current paid RNG coffers. Potentially much more than double.