Guild Wars 2

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

I am a PvE player and I have been following the LS with great interest- if I wanted to WvW I would be doing that.

I really hope this statement means that I won’t be sitting this one out.

There is no way that I will be running around a WvW map for PvE story so that some kitten can get his jollies by killing me

Morrigan.2809:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

I am a PvE player and I have been following the LS with great interest- if I wanted to WvW I would be doing that.

I really hope this statement means that I won’t be sitting this one out.

There is no way that I will be running around a WvW map for PvE story so that some kitten can get his jollies by killing me

lol wow, so that’s the train of thought of the pve community? Flabbergasted!

Meglobob.8620:

You are going to be matched up with all servers of your colour that week.

You will have hundreds of allies but also hundreds of enemy players. The enemy players will try to kill you, because to them your a walking loot bag…no offence…I will be a walking loot bag to the other 2 enemy colours.

Its fun.

You may die a lot but you will eventually get your achievements done and who knows you may like it and have fun.

WvW players will have a advantage, as they will be used to the fighting in large zergs, also some are excellent at using siege weapons and they do not care about achievements or living story. So there main aim is to farm the enemy zergs for loot bags.

See you on the battlefield…

Oh the Pain you are suffering, its not like every single patch has had massive additions to pve, all have been for other aspects of the game, if only it were all optional too

Xillllix.3485:

Morrigan.2809:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

I am a PvE player and I have been following the LS with great interest- if I wanted to WvW I would be doing that.

I really hope this statement means that I won’t be sitting this one out.

There is no way that I will be running around a WvW map for PvE story so that some kitten can get his jollies by killing me

lol wow, so that’s the train of thought of the pve community? Flabbergasted!

have you read this thread and others like it?
Seems to me that the general feeling among WvW players are either- get the PvE out of my WvW or thanks for the free loot bags

Astralporing.1957:

aspirine.6852:

Why are you so against people killing you or another player? Nothing happens, just a repair bill. Just give it a try?

Because it’s not fun?
It’s not like the Obsidian Sanctum LS debacle wasn’t already bad (which people didn’t forget to clearly communicate to the devs – it seems it was completely ignored)..

You do not kill things in the pve part of the game? This is the same thing, just they fight back. I do not like the OS either, been there once and no need to go back there.

OmniPotentes.4817:

Some people pride themselves in completing the new elitist wurm event. Others pride themselves by farming people who farm the wurm. Welcome to the real jungle. Now deal with it.

Oh, yes!

Morrigan.2809:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

I am a PvE player and I have been following the LS with great interest- if I wanted to WvW I would be doing that.

I really hope this statement means that I won’t be sitting this one out.

There is no way that I will be running around a WvW map for PvE story so that some kitten can get his jollies by killing me

So when you die in PvE its ok? But if another player kills you it is not ok?

I am willing to bet the marionette has and will kill more PvEers than PvPers killing PvErs going for the LS achievements in the EoTM patch.

Think of enemies in WvW as champion mobs with variable AI.

is going to be fun to camp achievement spots in EotM

Draygo.9473:

So when you die in PvE its ok? But if another player kills you it is not ok?

Yes, that sums it up pretty well. Especially if that other player is an active griefer (which in LS/WvW mix situation he usually is).

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

Firstly, very few people actually watch the livestreams, so it is not a great way to convey information.

Secondly I too am not entirely happy that living world content has crept into WvW, Scarlet has no place in the Mists and PvE content should be kept in PvE. I do not like Arena Net’s trend of forcing her badly written character into every little piece of content.

Personally I am looking forward to the map, but most definitely not the Living Story content tied to it, the sooner the Scarlet arc is over the better.

Aeolus.3615:

I think it is good, pve players will have a chance to see how WvW/PvP players can get organized in large scale fight and how coordenation is important and it is fun.

…fun.. yea gonna be REALLY funny to get utterly destroyed by perfectly organised armies of pvp\wvw pros while most pve guys will be nothing more then targets on legs to them. Man specially i gonna LOVE getting used as soccer ball and teabag stand with my already to death nerfed, engineer while probably also getting a nice and vast collection of ways to call somebody a noob and other utterly charming taunts over the world chat to make it a bit less enjoyable as little bonus. Lets hope atleast a nice skin item or somewhat good loot is in for the time i get practially rented out as walking loot bag and laughing stock for guys who actually love this sort of gameplay and got experience in it to follow the storyline -_-. I do need to say though that i am happy for the wvw crowd to get a new toy to play with. Can only imagine how utterly boring it gotta be to be stuck to the same maps all the time. Though… why dont simply add the map and keep it LS free? Would had been the better choice in my opinion.

Basaltface.2786:

Aeolus.3615:

I think it is good, pve players will have a chance to see how WvW/PvP players can get organized in large scale fight and how coordenation is important and it is fun.

…fun.. yea gonna be REALLY funny to get utterly destroyed by perfectly organised armies of pvp\wvw pros while most pve guys will be nothing more then targets on legs to them. Man specially i gonna LOVE getting used as soccer ball and teabag stand with my already to death nerfed, engineer while probably also getting a nice and vast collection of ways to call somebody a noob and other utterly charming taunts over the world chat to make it a bit less enjoyable as little bonus. Lets hope atleast a nice skin item or somewhat good loot is in for the time i get practially rented out as walking loot bag and laughing stock for guys who actually love this sort of gameplay and got experience in it to follow the storyline -_-. I do need to say though that i am happy for the wvw crowd to get a new toy to play with. Can only imagine how utterly boring it gotta be to be stuck to the same maps all the time. Though… why dont simply add the map and keep it LS free? Would had been the better choice in my opinion.

wow. bitter much? I dont know what kind of server you tried wvw on but this has never happened to me. Corpse dancing ok but what do I care about that someone finally got me.
And who is going to call you noob in world chat, that doesnt sound very smart, they are your teammates.

Aedelric.1287:

Firstly, very few people actually watch the livestreams, so it is not a great way to convey information.

Secondly I too am not entirely happy that living world content has crept into WvW, Scarlet has no place in the Mists and PvE content should be kept in PvE. I do not like Arena Net’s trend of forcing her badly written character into every little piece of content.

Personally I am looking forward to the map, but most definitely not the Living Story content tied to it, the sooner the Scarlet arc is over the better.

Which is why he conveyed the information on the forums as well…?

Had you paid attention to the Living Story until know you would have been fully aware that Scarlet have been looking towards the Mists since last year, so it is not something new. We KNEW she were trying to enter the Mists, so it is not really surprising that she actually does it.

Quite a bit of people actually prefer to have a story reason for a new map turning up instead of just logging in and suddenly have it available with no explanation.

As for forcing her into every content: Do you really think they added her into EotM as an afterthought? It is very likely that they planned to tie the Edge of the Mists into the living story long before they even announced the map itself.

@aspirine.6852

Well… to be honest pvp type gameplay is the reason why i quit\walked away from a lot of games. If you dont play like others do..like lets say run VERY specific builds or use very specific tactics to tackle certain things you are automatically the noob or the looser. Here in gw2 pve i already get enough laughs\hate for playing my beloved engineer that i pretty much equipped to heal, remove conditions, revive allies and condi damage the enemie as much as the little attack damage i got allows me. It makes to me just more fun to ensure that nobody arround me got even a pixel of their health bars missing or a single negative condition showing. What i pretty much learned fast in playing together with veterans is if you dont dps like crazy or can keep speed wise up with a zerk you are worthless so im usually pretty well off on my own and have my peace in pve doing my thing…mostly just running in the starter areas and keeping the new players alive so that they can do their heart quests or down their champs. That makes me happy and is my fun. Hell.. even solo\duo some dungeons together with a friend without much issues since a while. Alone the idea to go wvw\pvp makes me cringe cause i know what will come… verbal abuse and requirement to absolute perfection if you wanna avoid it. Thing is.. i cant stand the first and im not capable to do the latter.

Draygo.9473:

Think of enemies in WvW as champion mobs with variable AI.

That’s dangerously close to “Don’t think of them as people”.
I know that wasn’t your intention, but still that’s slightly disturbing.
Besides they won’t drop champ boxes

Basaltface.2786:

@aspirine.6852

Well… to be honest pvp type gameplay is the reason why i quit\walked away from a lot of games. If you dont play like others do..like lets say run VERY specific builds or use very specific tactics to tackle certain things you are automatically the noob or the looser. Here in gw2 pve i already get enough laughs\hate for playing my beloved engineer that i pretty much equipped to heal, remove conditions, revive allies and condi damage the enemie as much as the little attack damage i got allows me. It makes to me just more fun to ensure that nobody arround me got even a pixel of their health bars missing or a single negative condition showing. What i pretty much learned fast in playing together with veterans is if you dont dps like crazy or can keep speed wise up with a zerk you are worthless so im usually pretty well off on my own and have my peace in pve doing my thing…mostly just running in the starter areas and keeping the new players alive so that they can do their heart quests or down their champs. That makes me happy and is my fun. Hell.. even solo\duo some dungeons together with a friend without much issues since a while. Alone the idea to go wvw\pvp makes me cringe cause i know what will come… verbal abuse and requirement to absolute perfection if you wanna avoid it. Thing is.. i cant stand the first and im not capable to do the latter.

Absolutely this!

Basaltface.2786:

@aspirine.6852

Well… to be honest pvp type gameplay is the reason why i quit\walked away from a lot of games. If you dont play like others do..like lets say run VERY specific builds or use very specific tactics to tackle certain things you are automatically the noob or the looser. Here in gw2 pve i already get enough laughs\hate for playing my beloved engineer that i pretty much equipped to heal, remove conditions, revive allies and condi damage the enemie as much as the little attack damage i got allows me. It makes to me just more fun to ensure that nobody arround me got even a pixel of their health bars missing or a single negative condition showing. What i pretty much learned fast in playing together with veterans is if you dont dps like crazy or can keep speed wise up with a zerk you are worthless so im usually pretty well off on my own and have my peace in pve doing my thing…mostly just running in the starter areas and keeping the new players alive so that they can do their heart quests or down their champs. That makes me happy and is my fun. Hell.. even solo\duo some dungeons together with a friend without much issues since a while. Alone the idea to go wvw\pvp makes me cringe cause i know what will come… verbal abuse and requirement to absolute perfection if you wanna avoid it. Thing is.. i cant stand the first and im not capable to do the latter.

I just leveled my Engi and while I am not healing and stuff like that I am loving it. Engi is very strong roamer in WvW. Sounds like you do not run zerker gear because what good would that do you. I was exactly like you for about half a year ago. Just got into wvw for the map completion and nothing else.
Then I thought well Im here now might aswell help out the commander. And then hooked, almost every day now. And no I am not good, if I can do it so can you.

aspirine.6852:

Basaltface.2786:

@aspirine.6852

Well… to be honest pvp type gameplay is the reason why i quit\walked away from a lot of games. If you dont play like others do..like lets say run VERY specific builds or use very specific tactics to tackle certain things you are automatically the noob or the looser. Here in gw2 pve i already get enough laughs\hate for playing my beloved engineer that i pretty much equipped to heal, remove conditions, revive allies and condi damage the enemie as much as the little attack damage i got allows me. It makes to me just more fun to ensure that nobody arround me got even a pixel of their health bars missing or a single negative condition showing. What i pretty much learned fast in playing together with veterans is if you dont dps like crazy or can keep speed wise up with a zerk you are worthless so im usually pretty well off on my own and have my peace in pve doing my thing…mostly just running in the starter areas and keeping the new players alive so that they can do their heart quests or down their champs. That makes me happy and is my fun. Hell.. even solo\duo some dungeons together with a friend without much issues since a while. Alone the idea to go wvw\pvp makes me cringe cause i know what will come… verbal abuse and requirement to absolute perfection if you wanna avoid it. Thing is.. i cant stand the first and im not capable to do the latter.

I just leveled my Engi and while I am not healing and stuff like that I am loving it. Engi is very strong roamer in WvW. Sounds like you do not run zerker gear because what good would that do you. I was exactly like you for about half a year ago. Just got into wvw for the map completion and nothing else.
Then I thought well Im here now might aswell help out the commander. And then hooked, almost every day now. And no I am not good, if I can do it so can you.

Indeed my gear is not zerker gear.. i run stuff that gives me a kittenload of hp and healing power cause like i said thats what i do. The one time i did wvw to stop a friend from pestering me for hours on end. First “battle” i survived due to my massive health pool and my probably overkill self heal and experience in dodging stuff bosses throw at you in pve. Took about 2 mins before the warrior sorta went “kitten it” and ran off…to return a minute later with a zerk. Saw the movie 300? If you did i refer you to the death of leonidas just followed by rave sized corpse dance. Right away followed whispered caps lock insults of one of the commanders cause i couldnt keep the supply line save, yea was clearly my fault… totally forgot that i was a fusion of hulk and a black friday shopper. Pretty much said to my self “screw that kitten” and went then to a fortress my colour held and thought that i might aswell build stuff for my team as support. Repaired the siege stuff that was broken, errected more weapons on the walls, cleared the battering ram that still knocked on the door and made 4 golems i payed from my own pocket to prepare the fortress for the obvios 2nd weave. A “useless noob engi, why the kitten you are even in wvw?” was a fitting punishment for my initiative even if the golems wrecked the incoming 2nd weave without no issues. Well.. after that i clearly was in the best mood ever and decided to leave. As i opened the map i noticed that many smaller points nearby are taken by the enemie…so i thought might aswell walk back to the starting point and take the points on the way what went flawless.. even took down a thief somehow…prolly just a miracle. Shortly before i reached the exit i got a final “really.. gtfo you are a disgrace” as goodbye and that pretty much left a bitter taste in my mouth. IF i can do it or not is out of question… but do i want to? Really no thanks…i hope you see where i come from now.

Savoy.6824:

Yo ANET. HELLO!!!! Anybody out there? Is this going to by like obsidian sanctum where you force people who dont pvp to go to a map where other players can attack you while your trying to complete your pve objectives. Or is there going to be a moritorium on player combat while the story is going on?

So when in an area where there is PvP and a jumping puzzle you don’t want people to attack eachother?, Jumping puzzles aren’t PvE exclusive and should not be if 1 person don’t like getting attacked he should not go a place where the objective is to kill the other persons.

Azzer, people who don’t like getting attacked don’t go to those places. Until they have to if they want the meta for the current LS. That’s where the complaints are coming from, people who really want a gas mask or a tentacle backpack or a quartz node in their home instance or whatever the one-time-only-never-see-again item is, and the only way to achieve it is to go into a non-cooperative area in a game primarily designed to appeal to those who like to help each other.

ou never have to go there though at all, if you want the meta achievement you will do what you need to do and if you don’t like something then why would you do it?, i don’t like christmas so i did 0 of those achievements so you never “have” to do it and those that really want the achievements should just do it really and not kitten about it, Why would you ever do something you dislike? I don’t understand that mentality at all.

Basaltface, man you really need another server for wvw. If anyone on our mapchat started swearing like that and insulting he or she is reported right away. On my old server fissure of Woe no swearing, on my current Gunnars Hold, nothing.
If I had the same experience as you i would probably feel the same way. I might be tempted to join another server just to kill that annoying commander kitten .

aspirine.6852:

Basaltface, man you really need another server for wvw. If anyone on our mapchat started swearing like that and insulting he or she is reported right away. On my old server fissure of Woe no swearing, on my current Gunnars Hold, nothing.
If I had the same experience as you i would probably feel the same way. I might be tempted to join another server just to kill that annoying commander kitten .

Isnt worth for me to join another server to do something that left such a bitter taste in my mouth. If the rewards from the next ls pay off i just gonna hold up my rear for a while to get it over with and get my rewards (if the legions of grievers even make it possible to cyrcle arround the camps) and then forget about any pvp content…cept they really do something amazing with it. And to those who do enjoy wvw… i really hope this upcoming update makes your days. (no hint of sarcasm or ill will)

aspirine.6852:

Why are you so against people killing you or another player? Nothing happens, just a repair bill. Just give it a try?

Ever considered the fact that most pve players have gone into WvW just to give it a go?
I have.

And I found nothing in there that could possibly provide me with any joy.

Killing someone in the middle of a zerg. Oh what a tribute to my own skills (and the 50 other ppll who were shooting at some random dude in the zerg). WvW isn’t about skill, it’s mostly about just overpowering your enemy zerg by sheer numbers/dpm. Only small warbands require some skill, but then again even in 6vs6 your own impact on a battle is heavily reduced.

This is also my problem with champs etc in pve. It’s a purely dpm race. In WvW the zerg with the most dps/healing capacity wins. If i want to PvP to test and hone my skills i’d go 1vs1.

There is very little difference in how you attack a champ vs how you attack a zerg.
And neither requires much skill or coordination. Main difference is that a champ will just target 1 person mostly, maybe throw out an aoe or 2. And a enemy zerg is more like a hedgehog firing in all directions. So just dodge a bit more then vs a champ.

That is what I saw in WvW. I’m not saying that all WvW is skill-less zerging. But it’s an essential part of it. And that alone is enough to squeeze every ounce of joy that I could potentialy have in WvW out of it.

people in general will always be kittens. I remember when in WoW their was a funeral service in game for a young girl with many of players lining up to pay respects.. and a small group of kittens attacked… why ruin stuff for other people? It’s quite sad and I feel sorry for these people.. Not saying they have with this next release, but Aneta shouldn’t try to force the merge of pvp to pve. they are 2 very different animals.
Anet has forced this from the start as you have to enter WvW to get map completion let alone achievements. I may have to miss this content as WvW is lame to me… stack attack run wp repeat.. that and nothing in game is optimized. lower end pc’s make WvW virtually impossible to play!

Atlas.9704:

Draygo.9473:

Think of enemies in WvW as champion mobs with variable AI.

That’s dangerously close to “Don’t think of them as people”.
I know that wasn’t your intention, but still that’s slightly disturbing.
Besides they won’t drop champ boxes

Its basically true.

Enemy players in PvP are no different than PvE mobs as far as the game mechanics are concerned. Besides being more difficult to kill than your random walking loot bags in PvE. There is a reason Anet doesn’t openly display character names in WvW.

Point is the marionette has and will kill more players than the EoTM griefers for the next LS event.

Is this your incorporation of the original Guild Wars Heroes’ Ascent?

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

Thank god…

Draygo.9473:

Atlas.9704:

Draygo.9473:

Think of enemies in WvW as champion mobs with variable AI.

That’s dangerously close to “Don’t think of them as people”.
I know that wasn’t your intention, but still that’s slightly disturbing.
Besides they won’t drop champ boxes

Its basically true.

Enemy players in PvP are no different than PvE mobs as far as the game mechanics are concerned. Besides being more difficult to kill than your random walking loot bags in PvE. There is a reason Anet doesn’t openly display character names in WvW.

Point is the marionette has and will kill more players than the EoTM griefers for the next LS event.

Champions can’t taunt you. They also can’t farm you in front of your spawn just for fun because they have more people.

Scarlet taunts you all the time. So yes, they can taunt you. If anet put a bunch of champ mobs on a spawnpoint they could farm you while you spawned too.

At least in wvw you can leave your spawn by a different direction and avoid the fight right infront of your spawn if you wanted to.

If a mission got objectives they got points where those objectives are. Now take a deep breath.. relax and ponder a moment where exactly the griefers gonna sit down with their newspapers and coffee mugs to do their thing. If you guessed the obvios.. aka the mission points you gotta go… then congratulations. Once the system is figured out its gonna be a breeze to just wait in packs at points where ppl need sooner or later need to go. Hell maybe as extra nice suprise they got those golem things or errect other siege weapon nests (if that even works in wvw) in there too for extra humiliation. Many people who actively play wvw for sure already sharpen their swords and drool at the idea to utterly destroy those who just wanna do their ls cause for sure a big percentage of them are neither equipped or skilled enough to pose more then a laughable challenge…IF they dont get devoured by a leviathan of red names and particle effects called zerk before they even know what the hell is going on. Just think about queensdale´s zerk. Knows exactly where and when to go to get champion x down. That easily can be applied to mission points or other points of interrest for ls followers. Or just right away zerk arround the spawn area(s) and have a few roamers that know what they do on ls hunt for the lucky few that make it out. But why the hell i even say it out loud? Isnt like thats for sure already planned out to the detail waaaay better then i ever could due the lack of wvw\pvp knowledge. That is going to be such a pain in the kitten -_-. As for those who go “its just dying” yes.. it is… though i gonna rename it to organised massacre. In pve if you kitten up and die you can go away from the experience with a bruised kitten , a broken armor and most likely the knowledge of how to avoid it next time. Sure.. bosses, champs, mobs , dungeons and whatever else is indeed more predictable but designed to be conquerable and enjoyable to fight and actually many people play the game to just relax after work\school and have an overall good time they way they decide to tackle it. Maybe one guy\girl gets his kicks when he sits down with his gamer mouse and keyboard where he\she adjusted everything to the detail to play his perfected combos almost blind and flawless while another guy just likes to waddle arround the map doing heart quests, escort stuff or just explore and look at the (totally gorgeos) scenery before doing his\her ls events or personal story. Either way is the right way to play it and probably many people even mix it and got their fun with it. All hail to those aswell…though to sorta force players who are used to kill npcs together with players who are used to kill and fight their kin makes it obvios who gets the short end of the stick.

Draygo.9473:

…If anet put a bunch of champ mobs on a spawnpoint they could farm you while you spawned too.
…

But ANet didn’t do that. And there is a reason they avoided it. In fact in GvG in GW1 they added invincibility to respawning teams because the kitten PvP players would spawn camp the other team back then too.

The fact that ANet allows spawn camping in WvW is a massive step backwards.

I just hope ANet gets this right. Many will experience WvW setting for the first time with this update. If its going to be a griefing experience, you can bet that non of those newcomers will ever look back at WvW after their LS content is played through. I know i hated to have to go through all the WvW worlds to get that 100% world completion, and havent looked back after.

Will it be possible to get attacked while doing that part of the story or on the commute? Simple question. The last thing PvE players need is griefing.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

I stated this during the Ready Up livestream earlier today, but I’ll repeat it again here.

While we are releasing new story related content with the Edge of the Mists update, very little of that content actually occurs inside of the EotM map. Hopefully that alleviates some of your concerns!

Draygo.9473:

Scarlet taunts you all the time. So yes, they can taunt you. If anet put a bunch of champ mobs on a spawnpoint they could farm you while you spawned too.

One more reason to dislike Scarlet, i guess. And if Anet put a bunch of champ mobs on a spawn point, i would be here on forum protesting as well. Because that would have been pretty stupid thing to do.

All this WvW vs PvE stuff is nothing …
I’m still reeling from the fact that Silent Shino and I are gonna be Colour Buddies for at least the better part of a week!
Aaaaaaarrrrggh!

Canguro.5768:

is going to be fun to camp achievement spots in EotM

Reminds me that I really need to get my necro levelled so that I can do this properly…

I think this is a great recipe for hilarity to ensue. SoS’s massive nighttime PvE population is going to make it a laugh riot!

Add in “fights focused” servers like Maguuma, FA, and SoR…

They will have to add a life-jacket vendor for all the tears.

I am a WvW/PvE player and all I can say is this: I will ignore PvE players doing LS stuff in EotM (I like PvE and I like my PvE buddies) but I will roflstomp anyone who will try to bother me…

Do you smell that? FRESH MEAT. Fresh, delicious meatbags.

If it’s red, it’s dead.

And anyone who seriously gets bothered and upset about the aspect of killing another player or getting killed themselves, it’s just a video game. You are not actually killing anyone. If your day is ruined because some scrub ganked you, you really need rethink your priorities and hobbies.

It’s just a video game.

Kamikazi.5380:

If it’s red, it’s dead.

And anyone who seriously gets bothered and upset about the aspect of killing another player or getting killed themselves, it’s just a video game. You are not actually killing anyone. If your day is ruined because some scrub ganked you, you really need rethink your priorities and hobbies.

It’s just a video game.

And yet, you’re salivating at the chance to kill them. Contradiction?

Becka Williams.4978:

Kamikazi.5380:

If it’s red, it’s dead.

And anyone who seriously gets bothered and upset about the aspect of killing another player or getting killed themselves, it’s just a video game. You are not actually killing anyone. If your day is ruined because some scrub ganked you, you really need rethink your priorities and hobbies.

It’s just a video game.

And yet, you’re salivating at the chance to kill them. Contradiction?

Feel free to point out where exactly in my post I was “salivating” to kill PvErs. If you mean “red is dead”, then you are missing the point. You are in a PvP zone, red name is an enemy, most people including me don’t stop and wander what they are doing there, or what kind of player they are. It’s an enemy, and so we fight. Me personally I only ignore uplevels because I know they pose no challenge and I wouldn’t want to waste my cooldowns on them when something dangerous could be around the corner.

Expect PvP in a PvP map m8

Kamikazi.5380:

Becka Williams.4978:

Kamikazi.5380:

If it’s red, it’s dead.

And anyone who seriously gets bothered and upset about the aspect of killing another player or getting killed themselves, it’s just a video game. You are not actually killing anyone. If your day is ruined because some scrub ganked you, you really need rethink your priorities and hobbies.

It’s just a video game.

And yet, you’re salivating at the chance to kill them. Contradiction?

Feel free to point out where exactly in my post I was “salivating” to kill PvErs. If you mean “red is dead”, then you are missing the point. You are in a PvP zone, red name is an enemy, most people including me don’t stop and wander what they are doing there, or what kind of player they are. It’s an enemy, and so we fight. Me personally I only ignore uplevels because I know they pose no challenge and I wouldn’t want to waste my cooldowns on them when something dangerous could be around the corner.

Expect PvP in a PvP map m8

Gosh, it’s just a game dude. Why so serious?

Becka Williams.4978:

Kamikazi.5380:

Becka Williams.4978:

Kamikazi.5380:

If it’s red, it’s dead.

And anyone who seriously gets bothered and upset about the aspect of killing another player or getting killed themselves, it’s just a video game. You are not actually killing anyone. If your day is ruined because some scrub ganked you, you really need rethink your priorities and hobbies.

It’s just a video game.

And yet, you’re salivating at the chance to kill them. Contradiction?

Feel free to point out where exactly in my post I was “salivating” to kill PvErs. If you mean “red is dead”, then you are missing the point. You are in a PvP zone, red name is an enemy, most people including me don’t stop and wander what they are doing there, or what kind of player they are. It’s an enemy, and so we fight. Me personally I only ignore uplevels because I know they pose no challenge and I wouldn’t want to waste my cooldowns on them when something dangerous could be around the corner.

Expect PvP in a PvP map m8

Gosh, it’s just a game dude. Why so serious?

Games like this should be in the core fun for the player who plays it. And guess what… some people do NOT enjoy getting used as “device” to fuel somebody elses self-confidence that he\she gets from killing somebody elses char (whats not at all a negative thing by all means). How would you feel if you play for example.. lets say minecraft (i dont play it myself so bear with me if i dont get everything straight on) and build your stuff up.. some good castle or stuff and some guy comes in and just blows your stuff up that you build to relax and enjoy together with some buddies maybe? Still say “Gosh, it’s just a game dude. Why so serious?” ? No.. i bet you would complain, who wouldnt? Isnt like you just wanted to build your stuff and have a good time. Pve and Pvp type gameplay is seperated cause that way you can choose how you wanna enjoy your game like you can (im pretty certain) add a password to your minecraft server or play it single player right away and get your wanted experience. Now lets say you can only get a certain ressource (pick one important one, i dunno minecraft all that good like i said) that you need to enjoy your game if you join servers full with death traps that just wait for your arrival to make it as hard and as mood draining as possible to get this ressource you gonna see how most pve ppl feel at this moment. Doesnt feel nice at all.. just sayin

I don’t think pveers should have to do pvp, and I read people saying they’re going to camp achievement zones so they can kill pveers as a great example of why you should never force someone to do pvp, even if you, as anet clearly does, think it’s the best thing in the world. I have a huge problem with the “pound” mechanic, and will oftentimes disconnect, rather than allow it to happen, even if the result’s the same. I don’t like being hunted down when I’m clearly trying to run away, just so someone can kill me, and get a useless piece of loot. I feel like I’m being murdered, and violated. That’s my thing, but it’s still not a nice feeling, and not something anet should encourage by forcing people who don’t want to do PvP into PvP zones. And no, saying “Tee hee, you’re not forced to do anything. Gotta expect pvp in a pvp zone, bag of loot.” doesn’t cut it.

Thaia.5146:

I am a WvW/PvE player and all I can say is this: I will ignore PvE players doing LS stuff in EotM (I like PvE and I like my PvE buddies) but I will roflstomp anyone who will try to botherrun past me…

FTFY. It will make them better PvE players – you kittens turned me into a better PvE player.

Becka Williams.4978:

I don’t think pveers should have to do pvp, and I read people saying they’re going to camp achievement zones so they can kill pveers as a great example of why you should never force someone to do pvp, even if you, as anet clearly does, think it’s the best thing in the world. I have a huge problem with the “pound” mechanic, and will oftentimes disconnect, rather than allow it to happen, even if the result’s the same. I don’t like being hunted down when I’m clearly trying to run away, just so someone can kill me, and get a useless piece of loot. I feel like I’m being murdered, and violated. That’s my thing, but it’s still not a nice feeling, and not something anet should encourage by forcing people who don’t want to do PvP into PvP zones. And no, saying “Tee hee, you’re not forced to do anything. Gotta expect pvp in a pvp zone, bag of loot.” doesn’t cut it.

And yet people don’t see to have any issues whatsoever that PvP:ers “have to” do PvE in order to gain the vast majority of stuff.

Just because someone is a PvP:er doesn’t mean they don’t care about story after all.

lordkrall.7241:

And yet people don’t see to have any issues whatsoever that PvP:ers “have to” do PvE in order to gain the vast majority of stuff.

Just because someone is a PvP:er doesn’t mean they don’t care about story after all.

Can you do your pve in peace without to fear that some other player is out for your happy kitten if you clearly are not in the mood to get wrecked out of nowhere? Yes indeed. Does pvp requires MUCH more skill then pve? Yes it does. Can everybody deliver that said skill for pvp? No… for sure not. Can people avoid pvp usually if they dont feel their can muster up the skill needed or just dont want to do it cause its not their way? Yes. Can a pvp player easily get into pve to get the said “vast majority of stuff” without problems due the experience with far worse enemies then npcs? Yes without any question. So yea.. whats your point?

Well it all comes down to not wanting to do something, correct?
At least based on these kind of threads. People don’t WANT to join a PvP map. Which seems to have more to do with the fact that it is a PvP map rather than that there might be someone trying to attack them.

Why can’t it be the same for PvP:ers?
Some PvP:ers don’t WANT to do PvE for one reason or another. But apparently those guys are not allowed to have issues with being “forced” to do PvE, but PvE:ers are very much allowed to have issues with being “forced” into a semi-PvP map.