Guild Wars 2

Now I can clearly see that rather than reduced BL Keys, Evon should have given a free Fused or Aetherized weapon claim ticket.

He would have clearly succeeded in beating Kiel with this method.

And then all of Lion’s Arch would be fully prepared for the impending attack.

(It would have been nice to see the citizens of Lion’s Arch take up arms with their gifted Fused weapons and fight with us against whatever monstrosity Scarlet is about to unearth.)

Minos.5168:

Now I can clearly see that rather than reduced BL Keys, Evon should have given a free Fused or Aetherized weapon claim ticket.

He would have clearly succeeded in beating Kiel with this method.

Maybe he would of won, maybe he still wouldn’t. Even after his short story was released he still seems to have ulterior motives that wouldn’t be in the best interest of Lion’s Arch. Yes he intervene when his warband leader was going to attempt to extort money from the citizens, but that was only because he felt their objective could be better completed through his method. What his short story showed was he is willing to kill if necessary to accomplish his goals, but what exactly is his warband’s orders and is he even still following them?

Ellen Kiel on the other hand was presented as a dependable and obedient soldier who tackles problems with a head on approach. Yes the cheaper waypoint fee was a good incentive but it alone wouldn’t have made much of a difference if Evon was presented in a way that didn’t make him seem a villain.

Minos.5168:

And then all of Lion’s Arch would be fully prepared for the impending attack.

Actually Lion’s Arch will still be unprepared as Captain Magnus would probably have the weapons confiscated from the citizens due to both the possibility of the weapons being misused by certain individuals within the town as well as their being some designed flaw within them Scarlet could exploit. Lion’s Arch unpreparedness seems to be deliberately planned.

Dependable and obedient soldiers do not make good leaders. They make dependable and obedient soldiers. This is primarily because making a soldier dependable and obedient requires them to be trained not to make decisions or question authority.

Ruthless businesscats who have a financial empire to protect? They make great leaders though, since their intense desire to protect themselves will also mean they are protecting those around them and they have a long history of making very good decisions (which is how they built their financial empire). Sure, they may be corrupt and greedy, but who in government isn’t?

Long story short: Don’t send a white knight into government and expect anything to change, other than that white knight becoming either a pawn or a stained knight.

mtpelion.4562:

Dependable and obedient soldiers do not make good leaders. They make dependable and obedient soldiers. This is primarily because making a soldier dependable and obedient requires them to be trained not to make decisions or question authority.

What if Captain Magnus Ironbeard didn’t pick Ellen for her leadership qualities but simply because of her loyalty to the Lionsguard? Her vote would probably be the same as Captain Magnus, which does give him an advantage during decisions where each of the other captains have voted for their ideal.

mtpelion.4562:

Ruthless businesscats who have a financial empire to protect? They make great leaders though, since their intense desire to protect themselves will also mean they are protecting those around them and they have a long history of making very good decisions (which is how they built their financial empire). Sure, they may be corrupt and greedy, but who in government isn’t?

A business that would survive the loss of Lion’s Arch and may even benefit from the destruction of the city. If there is no Captain’s Council to enact their will then there is a power void that needs to be filled, who better than a enterprising businessman? His rivals would be devastated, if not outright destroyed by the attack, giving an opportunity for his company to absorb their assets. He now has full uncontested control of a city that serves as the center of trade between the five races, which would make him gold hand over fist.

mtpelion.4562:

Long story short: Don’t send a white knight into government and expect anything to change, other than that white knight becoming either a pawn or a stained knight.

Also don’t send a corrupted and greedy businessman into government and expect them to keep any of their promises or to bring about change.

Evon Gnashblade has the physical power and the financial power that Kiel doesn’t.
Kiel in fact has no power at all except a vote.
Evon would have gotten the defense done with his power if nothing else and since Kiel can’t, Cutthroat Politics now result in the destruction of Lion’s Arch and the rise of a bigger threat.
Good job, Kiel voters. Good job.
So much for cheaper waypoints.

Occupy Lion’s Arch! *snerk*

Mikuchan.7261:

Evon would have gotten the defense done with his power if nothing else and since Kiel can’t, Cutthroat Politics now result in the destruction of Lion’s Arch and the rise of a bigger threat.
Good job, Kiel voters. Good job.
So much for cheaper waypoints.

Evon wouldn’t of done anything different for three reasons.

One there has to be a reason for us to get involved, if he had Lion’s Arch well defended there be no need for us to be there.

Secondary the Captain’s Council is in charge of Lion’s Arch, which means all or the majority of captains must be in agreement. If this wasn’t the case the Lionsguard would probably be constructing additional defenses as well as holding recruitment drives.

Lastly why use his own resources to defend a town that’s nothing to him except being the current headquarters of his store? He can relocate it to the Black Citadel if he wanted, or any city for that matter, as trade will still flow. Of course it will be longer for supplies to be delivered since the Asura portals will be destroyed, but as he is an enterprising Charr he probably recruit some Gladium to hire out as caravan guards in between Lionsguard havens.

Doesn’t this strike anyone suspicious that both Evon and Ellen start with E? That they both seemed to be hinting about Scarlet wanting to attack Lion Arch back in Wintersday? And with The Dead End: A Study in Scarlet shows that Scarlet was really one step ahead of the Player and Gang this whole time, with the exception of the premise of Dragon Bash, so we are lead to believe.

Now we should know that no matter what the outcome of Dragon Bash voting procures were, the results would been the same. This story is that linear. Much akin to the player’s Personal Story and how it ends with Zhaitan’s defeat. They both have a potential to branch out at certain points in the story, but they knit tightly back together at the conclusions; thus will be the same endings for all.

So why bring this up? What if Evon and Ellen are both insiders of the Aether Blades working as double agents? This would also mean Scarlet really did get an insider on the council seat despite what we may thought.

While I have no physical proof, the circumstantial evidence from “the dead end” mission seems to be pointing this as a strong possibility as her other outcomes are similar in behavior. As we, the players, defeat Project A, Scarlet succeeds by incorporating Plan B in place of Project A. — Flame Legion defeated but Scarlet got a sonic device out of it, Jubilee was the upgraded Watchworks from the slightly-not-so-mysterious Steam Creature troops, Thaumanova Reactor was the knowledge of Tyria’s lay lines and Dragon Energies, Kessex Hills she made a more potent poison out of the antidote we’ve conjured.

Just some food for thought.

I was expecting harder Kiel bashing… I’m a little disappointed.

places mini Kiel in the room

There you go, try again.

Reaches for Tinfoil hat How do we know that our votes even mattered? Maybe it was rigged from the start.

Becka Williams.4978:

Maybe you guys should get over not getting your precious Fall of Abbadon (which probably would’ve had Scarlet in it too, because Scarlet’s responsible for everything ever.), and stop blaming Kiel for something that isn’t her fault. She’s one person out of what, 6? And she’s the newest member. What’s she supposed to do? Take charge? unlikely.

Krakalakka told Abbadon to go crazy, obv. Crystal Minions. Margonites. Black. Purple. That must be it.

Midpa.6270:

Doesn’t this strike anyone suspicious that both Evon and Ellen start with E?

I think it’s more along the lines of one or the other, which can change depending on who won the election. It would make some sense because they probably had a lot of it designed before this point, it’s not like they just started working on the next installment of the living story, they’re pretty much finished with it with many a few tweaks and edits left to be made. I think using “E” is for the sake of not having to make last minute adjustments to voice-overs or extend recording sessions every time they mentioned the mysterious E fellow.

In this case, Kiel was the insider and Gnashblade pretty much got thrown to the curb. If Gnashblade had won the election, I think Kiel would be innocent. Nom’sayin?

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Mikuchan.7261:

Evon would have gotten the defense done with his power if nothing else and since Kiel can’t, Cutthroat Politics now result in the destruction of Lion’s Arch and the rise of a bigger threat.
Good job, Kiel voters. Good job.
So much for cheaper waypoints.

Evon wouldn’t of done anything different for three reasons.

One there has to be a reason for us to get involved, if he had Lion’s Arch well defended there be no need for us to be there.

Secondary the Captain’s Council is in charge of Lion’s Arch, which means all or the majority of captains must be in agreement. If this wasn’t the case the Lionsguard would probably be constructing additional defenses as well as holding recruitment drives.

Lastly why use his own resources to defend a town that’s nothing to him except being the current headquarters of his store? He can relocate it to the Black Citadel if he wanted, or any city for that matter, as trade will still flow. Of course it will be longer for supplies to be delivered since the Asura portals will be destroyed, but as he is an enterprising Charr he probably recruit some Gladium to hire out as caravan guards in between Lionsguard havens.

You’re missing all of the points.
1. Involvement: We are still involved. The war will still be, just very much tilted to our favor.

2. Here is where Evon uses his physical and financial power. Evon first and foremost is a charr. Quite alot of convincing power just in that. Try say no to a charr that’s hunched over you, breathing in your face. Secondly, if there still was a no, he can just say “Get the reinforcements or I’ll shut down the entire trade in Lion’s Arch”, which would force them to agree with him or Lion’s Arch would be set back alot economically.

3. Read 2. Nobody said he would pay anything. Furthermore, the asura gates will not be destroyed, simply just relocated to Vigil Keep.

Mikuchan.7261:

You’re missing all of the points.
1. Involvement: We are still involved. The war will still be, just very much tilted to our favor..

Do you have any legitimate proof of this?

If so please share, if not please accept that Evon would probably be in the same position as Ellen.

Mikuchan.7261:

2. Here is where Evon uses his physical and financial power. Evon first and foremost is a charr. Quite alot of convincing power just in that. Try say no to a charr that’s hunched over you, breathing in your face. Secondly, if there still was a no, he can just say “Get the reinforcements or I’ll shut down the entire trade in Lion’s Arch”, which would force them to agree with him or Lion’s Arch would be set back alot economically..

There are flaws in your logic
One: In addition to Captain Ironbeard being a norn, a member of the council is a charr as well. Neither would let someone like Evon boss them around.
Two: Evon isn’t the only trade company within Tyria, the most prominent but not the sole company. If he tried this stunt with Divinity’s Reach he would succeed but to a council of pirates as enterprising as he is, he will fail horribly as they can simply back a different company that would rise to prominence. They could also simply kill him on the spot and assume control over the company, they pirates after all and it would be cutthroat politics.
Three: It would trivialize his short story as now he attempting the exact same tactic his predecessor was planning on trying, which he pointed out wouldn’t work. Evon isn’t stupid, as evident by how successful his company is, he wouldn’t resort to threats since he knows they wouldn’t work.

Mikuchan.7261:

3. Read 2. Nobody said he would pay anything. Furthermore, the asura gates will not be destroyed, simply just relocated to Vigil Keep.

I did read your second point and pointed out flaws within it. Also since nothing of actual value to a trading company will be lost due to all of it being relocated to Vigil’s Keep, there is no motive for Evon to lift a single claw to defend Lion’s Arch. All he needs to do is ensure that he and important employees make it out of the town alive. Ellen actually has more motive to stand and defend the city to her last breath, the Lionguards purpose is to both protect trade and Lion’s Arch. Now if we were discussing the Black Citadel being besieged I would agree there is plenty of motive for Evon to make such efforts to defend it.