Guild Wars 2

ty anet for fixing it. Was a good run

Great, an achievement for 1%

The 6-minute kill is now trackable via GW2 API. Kaineng and Desolation just got their first kill before the 6-minute timer is up.

Kaineng….maaaaay have been hijacked

There is a bonus chest that drops from completing 6 Minutes now . Not sure yet if this is one time only, daily, or per try. Great job Kaineng(and possibly a bit of help from TTS) on the World First!
Edit: Seems this is per 6 Minute kill

So stoked I got to be there repping TTS for this!

WOOT! and here is another screen!

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

So stoked I got to be there repping TTS to a WORLD FIRST!

Uhm yeah, world first after hotfix? COOL BRAH

Must have been a major bug if it took this long to fix… still grateful to the Devs for all their hard work getting it sorted!

I dunno about who was first or anything, but I never even knew this achievement had problems. Crystal Desert killed the 3 knights with 11:23 left on the second day the events came out, and I got my achievement then. So this achievement was bugged for some people?

I got my 6 mins to Knightfall on the first run of Knights on Darkhaven server when the update hit a week ago. I understand that later patches to fix other issues subsequently broke the achievement, but I can testify that no world first was achieved today (unless you add the caveat of “World First After Achievement was Broken and Subsequently Fixed Again” or something similar).

As a member of the 2nd TTS guild formed, I’m proud of what we continue to achieve, but I’m not particularly proud of false chest thumping either. As you can see by some of the reactions from the GW2 community on this thread already, it doesn’t exactly paint TTS as the welcoming and inclusive guild(s) that we really are.

Just to kinda bring the thread back on track and away from the focus on TTS, I think the point that Warcry and I are trying to make is that: we got the achievement on 2 different servers (Darkhaven and Crystal Desert), not as part of any TTS or guild organised event. Now that they have un-broken the achievement, as well as the reduced HP of the Knights, it seems that rallying a server’s population in LA should recreate conditions that will allow you to get the achievement.

Of course, it may not be easy if your server pop is low or demoralised from the raft of broken patches that have characterised this update.

Up until this patch the achievement was bugged such that a few (typically 1 or 2) people got the achievement every time the event occurred and they downed at least one knight, regardless if it was in 6 minutes or not. This patch fixed that, and now everyone gets the achievement as they correctly should. This is considered “World First” because it is the first time you can get the achievement by doing what the achievement says, not just randomly as before.

Who cares about the achievement! Blue won the race for holo kill!

The devs have been putting in a lot of effort to make this patch work. Thanks, ANet!

Congratulations on fixing a bug one week into a two week long content.

Recording via twitch

http://www.twitch.tv/androosky/b/510229523

Cyron.1483:

Up until this patch the achievement was bugged such that a few (typically 1 or 2) people got the achievement every time the event occurred and they downed at least one knight, regardless if it was in 6 minutes or not. This patch fixed that, and now everyone gets the achievement as they correctly should. This is considered “World First” because it is the first time you can get the achievement by doing what the achievement says, not just randomly as before.

Hmm, granted mine is anecdotal evidence (I didn’t feel the need to screencap evidence back then as it didn’t seem like a big deal), but the 6 mins to Knightfall achievement that I got on Darkhaven popped for a lot of people, there was a lot of celebration in map chat, and oddly enough no bewildered messages of “I didn’t get it :O” like what occurred after the first hotfix patch was released.

I believe we also had roughly 11mins left on the clock, so it was under 6 mins too. Keep in mind this was the first run of Knights when the update hit; DH server was packed to the brim, the ‘zerg 1 Knight at a time’ strategy hadn’t even been developed, so there were lots of people at each Knight doing their thing.

What you say Cyron could very well be true (I wouldn’t be surprised if it was). What would help legitimise any claims of World First would be if the devs could chip in on the state of the achievement as it was on release, what happened to it after hotfixes got introduced, and how it now functions after this latest hotfix. Then perhaps we can get to a point where anyone can say with certainty that a World First was achieved today. Anything less is premature, in my opinion.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

In short, TTS is basically want the Devs wanted to see. It’s a cross server community that got together thanks to the efforts of fellow players.

Yes – and originally it was okay. Unfortunately, now, the content is being designed with TTS (and few top servers) in mind, which is a problem for everyone else.

Basically, while the idea is good, and i am sure the guild is full of really cool and nice people, by its very existence it raised the bar for everyone else.

TL/DR: i do not dislike the TTS guild for helping people better achieve the content devs devised – quite the opposite, i applaud them for it. What I dislike is the devs making the open world living story content using TTS as a balancing point. I also get annoyed by the fact that some TTS members seem to ignore this problem because “everyone can join TTS”, and think that because of that everything is sunshine and raibows.

zIP.2345:

Keep in mind this was the first run of Knights when the update hit;

The current suspicion is that one of the part of the bug was tied to another bug, where after one knight got killed, it stopped spawning its own color pool for the next events. So basically, originally it was possible to get the 6 minutes achievement, if no knight had been killed on this server/overflow yet.

CC Danicia.1394:

Hey folks, let’s please keep this thread on-topic and clean so the Devs can find your feedback easily. Thank you!

I’m sorry you had to come in to clean house. We do appreciate that a major bug was fixed. I’m no programmer, so I can’t imagine how much hair pulling your Devs had to do to find the cause of the bug.

And of course, I’m stuck at work right now. XD Hopefully TTS will be doing more 6 Min runs tonight when I get home; I’m going on holiday this weekend, so I only have till Friday to get the achievement!

Autumn Frazee.3158:

Update of the ‘Six Minutes to Knightfall’ achievement: we’ve identified the issue and are currently working on a fix. Thank you for the information on only two people from the successful maps getting the achievement, that was the final clue we needed! I’ll keep this thread updated as we work on the fix.

Oki, so this quote was taken from the Battle for LA issues tracking thread, and it seems to imply that people have been getting the achievement legitimately before the latest hotfix. It’s just that a large majority of legitimate achievers in the same successful maps just weren’t getting it to pop.

So it seems that many legitimate “World Firsts” have come and gone already, before the latest hotfix patch landed. It’s just that for many players, they were ‘robbed’ of their achievement, that’s all.

I think the lesson to be taken away from this is, Anet really needs to take a good look at how such buggy achievements have impacted their community, especially for people/groups that strive for and take pride in concepts like “World First”. Those who got the achievement legitimately before the patch are now tarred with the spectre of earning it under buggy conditions, and to the rightfully happy TTS’ers and Kainengites who got it in today’s run, it can no longer be a point of pride as the ship for a legitimate World First attempt has long since sailed.

Blackgate finally got it

samysnes.4931:

Who cares about the achievement! Blue won the race for holo kill!

lol I love the Holo kill races

Well done! Blackgate and Desolation just downed theirs in under 6 minutes just minutes ago.

Ayrilana.1396:

Blackgate finally got it

Grats to Blackgate and Deso!

Ashariel.8490:

Great, an achievement for 1%

Hardly, lots of servers (Deso, SFR, Blackgate...) and even overflows are getting 6 min kills.

You should try getting 3 commander tags and some instructions in chat instead of crying.

I’m on Fort Ranik. We always kill the knight a few seconds before the end of the 15 minutes. So yeah, thanks a lot for fixing the bug… I guess…

CC Danicia.1394:

Hey folks, let’s please keep this thread on-topic and clean so the Devs can find your feedback easily. Thank you!

Here’s a little something you might want to know. When we did it the hour after our first successful attempt, molten protectors came to the Red knight event and made the knight invulnerable. Other than that, the fix was good, thank you guys

Geekfox.4267:

Well done! Blackgate and Desolation just downed theirs in under 6 minutes just minutes ago.

Congratulations Blackgate and Desolation

Jade Quarry just downed their knights minutes ago. Congrats!

Blackgate just did it again.

Still, Anet, don’t make achievements like this one again in the future for living story please, it’s infuriating

Guess I know which server I’m guesting to tonight for the achievement then. XD

Seriously, I repeat more players have no chance to take this achiev. The conditions to win it, are so few accessible for the majority of players.

Nice I just see the screen, 2 players in the same guild TTS. I suppose one guild has managed to do from thousands and thousands of players. Only 1% of players

Just remove it !

You guys do realize this is just an achievement, just 10 AP, it really doesn’t matter that much if you can’t get it.

guardian.6489:

You guys do realize this is just an achievement, just 10 AP, it really doesn’t matter that much if you can’t get it.

I bet you are really fun at parties

“this is just an achievement”

True, but many players play for achievs even if it does relate anything in the end. Just the pleasure of seeing him appear and remember his deeds.

Many players can not afford to spend hours for a success which was bugged for 1 week and will disappear in one week.

No ephemeral content as living history

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

samysnes.4931:

Who cares about the achievement! Blue won the race for holo kill!

lol I love the Holo kill races

ah, I just figured out what ‘Holo’ is now …

CC Danicia.1394:

Hey folks, let’s please keep this thread on-topic and clean so the Devs can find your feedback easily. Thank you!

Gotta love it when we get a RED box input into a thread to try and keep it on topic of saying well done/thank etc……. strangely quiet when the heat is on within the plethora of threads regarding things not going so well and frustrations building and fingers pointing at ANET to get some answers – speaks volumes imo

Finally, I got it.

Solution: Desolation – Home map

(I just repeat we can’t have the good conditions to win it)

All you need is numbers, which is hard to get on alot of servers.

Something is wrong with scaling. We had 45+ at blue…most had vigil buff+scarlet buff and we still managed to kill it at around min 5-6. We had melee/ranged groups also.

This was on BG Main. Someone who did it earlier on BG told me they melted blue with just 35 ppl. How does that work?

Rebound.3409:

Something is wrong with scaling. We had 45+ at blue…most had vigil buff+scarlet buff and we still managed to kill it at around min 5-6. We had melee/ranged groups also.

This was on BG Main. Someone who did it earlier on BG told me they melted blue with just 35 ppl. How does that work?

Same happens on Green sometimes, it melts in under a minute if ppl would keep dpsing. I think its just scaling bugging. Which has been happening since release.

Well..not only do i have to find the perfect group on the perfect overflow of a perfect server…at the exact perfect time in a 24h day…but i also have to find the perfect event that doesn’t scale idiotically?

Waw…. what a disappointment this turned out to be honestly.

Murth.5637:

All you need is numbers, which is hard to get on alot of servers.

Thank god that there is a guesting feature in this game.

Rebound.3409:

Yes thank god..now tell me to what server to guest to at this very moment where i can 100% get the achievement. Or tell me the exact time i should guest to that server…and which overflow.

Guestings equals a big 0. Stop making it sound like it’s the solution. It should never come down to guesting in the first place. U have 2 chances/day to guest to the right server, right overflow, right time with right ppl doing it and right event scaling.

BG is one of the servers who made the achievement and in general a good server overall population wise. I have been sitting in LA doing events for the past 6-7h trying to get it. Guess what..not happening. They did the achievement at 5AM my time. glhf trying that with a job.

If you have so many problems finding the right server, why don’t you just ask around? Why don’t you form your own group of people and coordinate all that stuff? I am pretty sure you aren’t the only player out there who wants the achievement and faces the same problem as you.
It’s called achievement because you should do something for it, there are way too many “piggyback me through this please” kind of achievements.

I did ask around quite a lot. Forming an 150man group? I don’t think u know the magnitude of what u are asking. Organising the ppl on my main? yes i did..we pulled off everything we could. I even got some ppl to guest to bg and join us.

I am not a one man TTS. But i get it it’s easy to comment when u got the achievement yourself either being carried around or bugging it out pre-patch.

Personally i did everything i could…i played countless hours dedicating to this achievement..i constantly mapchated instructions for buffs..skills..i constantly spammed ppl to come and help, i myself used everything my class could do in this situation. I did more then enough to deserve that achievement if it would come down to what i personally did. Besides this i contacted ppl in other servers i knew at that time…server hopped daily trying to get it.