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Posted by: Lishtenbird.2814

Lishtenbird.2814

- A fearsome death howl, from a fearsome foe, the likes of which has never been seen before!
- Whatever. It was big… now it’s dead.

So long story short, Scarlet killed people because she was bad.

What I really hoped for was a twist: the reason why Scarlet killed so many people, why she invented all these machines (discarded Marionette included), why she went all the way with improving the toxic pollen to miasma etc. etc. I was really expecting some grey-and-grey morality here, with Scarlet telling us about the sacrifices required for development of weapons that can take down a dragon which began corrupting her own race, and than having Scarlet captured and used as an ultimate source of information for facing the above-mentioned dragon. “She may be insane, but she’s a genius and Tyria needs her,” – the Taimi kind of thing.

What I want to say is that many speculations here on the forum were far more interesting than a direct and “lazy” ending we got. That said, I still have hope for a twist in March 18 “epilogue” – though chances of seeing a return of steam-Scarlet saviour from another dimension or finding out that we finished yet another hologram are already next to none. We may ultimately see that finishing Scarlet was a bad move, but still, that won’t be the same as what she was trying to tell us.

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Posted by: Marquie Thomas.1873

Marquie Thomas.1873

- A fearsome death howl, from a fearsome foe, the likes of which has never been seen before!
- Whatever. It was big… now it’s dead.

So long story short, Scarlet killed people because she was bad.

What I really hoped for was a twist: the reason why Scarlet killed so many people, why she invented all these machines (discarded Marionette included), why she went all the way with improving the toxic pollen to miasma etc. etc. I was really expecting some grey-and-grey morality here, with Scarlet telling us about the sacrifices required for development of weapons that can take down a dragon which began corrupting her own race, and than having Scarlet captured and used as an ultimate source of information for facing the above-mentioned dragon. “She may be insane, but she’s a genius and Tyria needs her,” – the Taimi kind of thing.

What I want to say is that many speculations here on the forum were far more interesting than a direct and “lazy” ending we got. That said, I still have hope for a twist in March 18 “epilogue” – though chances of seeing a return of steam-Scarlet saviour from another dimension or finding out that we finished yet another hologram are already next to none. We may ultimately see that finishing Scarlet was a bad move, but still, that won’t be the same as what she was trying to tell us.

She doesn’t seem to really care about her own race tbh and her plane succeeded she hit the lay line and the influx of energy jumpstarted the awakening of a elder dragon. Now what comes now is the actual physical aftermath of this elder dragon awakening. Personally my gues is tat this elder dragon influence was even more maddening then some syvary think hearing the voice of the pale tree and burden of the dream can be it drove scarlet to do what ever she could to get it out of here head and i think we actually put her out of her misery in a way now she dosen’t have to care what happens in the aftermath as she has already made her permanent mark on the world.

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

Carighan.6758

Uh, there’s plenty twist already?
I mean they never said that the speculations that the Pale Tree is a dragon minion and Scarlet merely lost her protection and hence got corrupted by the dragon is wrong. In fact, they played pretty straight into it.

Why do you need an explicitly spelled out twist, actually? Isn’t a lot of open space and your brain filling it in just as good if not better? As long as the dragon awakes now, do we actually need to know whether it was a loss of protection in the EA which caused Scarlet to go batkitten insane? Or whether it was some device she bought on the BLAH or so? We can all fill in those blanks easily. More importantly, Scarlet went crazy from that reason, we know the Sylvari usually don’t get corrupted, and we know a dragon now awoke.

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Posted by: Arewn.2368

Arewn.2368

Rather happy it DIDN’T end up being a “Scarlet was a hero in her own way” type of bland B.S. ending. THAT would have been unoriginal, uninteresting, and lazy in my opinion. That kind of moral grey has been done to death
She was mind-broken by the dragon and then driven to awaken it. I’m happy with that, this isn’t a mystery novel. Now we just need the supporting information to come in, since we killed her without listening to what she had to say.
I found a lot of the so called “interesting” speculation ideas on the forums to just be stupid to be frank. Twists for the sake of twists in many cases.

And I’d suggest you read around the forums a bit and look at past releases, because some of the things you brought up as “unanswered” have inferred answers.
Miasma to keep enemy forces out of LA while she drills, clockwork machinations to bolster her forces, the marionette itself was a distraction to take our eyes away from her plans in LA. Things like that.

And with regards to twists, we had months to speculate about something that in a book (or similar media) would have been equivalent to a few pages, perhaps a chapter. It’s kind of like saying “I knew that would be the bad guy!” as the protagonist is walking up to confront the bad guy.

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Posted by: Lishtenbird.2814

Lishtenbird.2814

Uh, there’s plenty twist already?
I mean they never said that the speculations that the Pale Tree is a dragon minion and Scarlet merely lost her protection and hence got corrupted by the dragon is wrong. In fact, they played pretty straight into it.

And I hope to see at least that kind of speculation becoming Word of God, because…

Why do you need an explicitly spelled out twist, actually? Isn’t a lot of open space and your brain filling it in just as good if not better?

…if you come up with your own solutions to any blank spaces in stories, you may as well write your own stories Which I somewhat do as well, but still enjoy the stories being fully told the “right” way.

Rather happy it DIDN’T end up being a “Scarlet was a hero in her own way” type of bland B.S. ending. THAT would have been unoriginal, uninteresting, and lazy in my opinion. That kind of moral grey has been done to death

Depends on your mindset, I suppose. To me, a grey-and-grey Japanese anime villain ending is far less unoriginal and lazy rather than an American comics villain which got crazy for some reason and kills people because he enjoys it.

And I’d suggest you read around the forums a bit and look at past releases, because some of the things you brought up as “unanswered” have inferred answers.
Miasma to keep enemy forces out of LA while she drills, clockwork machinations to bolster her forces, the marionette itself was a distraction to take our eyes away from her plans in LA. Things like that.

These are the same “blank spaces” which can be filled by any imaginative reasoning, but more so appear to be simply a far-fetched game content. That said, I should note that I am generally perfectly fine with bad simple writing as long as it serves the purpose of amusement, but I do prefer it to have some extra depth and reasoning when it can. (E.g. like having the Marionette itself to stomp the hell out of LA.)

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Posted by: Cardon.4092

Cardon.4092

I hope that Leyline crack will be visible on March 18th.

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Posted by: Carighan.6758

Carighan.6758

I think the reason I really didn’t mind it at all in this case is that the lack of Scarlet-exposure served to underline the focus on Rox/Braham and Kas/Jory. Especially the latter. And if any NPC-couple ever earned the spotlight, it’s them two.

That being said, where’s Taimi? :o

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Posted by: Arewn.2368

Arewn.2368

Depends on your mindset, I suppose. To me, a grey-and-grey Japanese anime villain ending is far less unoriginal and lazy rather than an American comics villain which got crazy for some reason and kills people because he enjoys it.

These are the same “blank spaces” which can be filled by any imaginative reasoning, but more so appear to be simply a far-fetched game content. That said, I should note that I am generally perfectly fine with bad simple writing as long as it serves the purpose of amusement, but I do prefer it to have some extra depth and reasoning when it can. (E.g. like having the Marionette itself to stomp the hell out of LA.)

It’s done to death in American media as well, no need for the cultural division.
And inference is a writing technique you learn in high school, I really don’t see the need for everything to be explicitly spelled out. We’re still lacking answers, but we’re also 2 weeks short of an epilogue.

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