Guild Wars 2

My question is: what are they going to do with a massive structure like the breachmaker?

I know right? My guess is there gonna make like the Tower of Nightmares and blow it all up Michael Bay style, I mean why not? Their story for the finale has really gone the way of a Michael Bay film anyway, sacrifice great storytelling for great special effects.

I just really hope they pull this all together and deliver something amazing for the epilogue. I really really really hope so, I am such a die hard fan of Guild Wars 2 and I keep wanting to love this game for everything it is but sometimes I just feel like I’m that kid who’s deadbeat dad calls up after 10 years of being out of my life and says, “Hey son, we’re gonna spend this weekend together.” And then never shows up…..

I try not to get hyped about the Living World releases anymore but I mean this is THE finale! How can I not get hyped up about getting answers to questions that have been eating at me since they were first asked? And then we just get Braham saying that we don’t need answers?! The epilogue better fix this somehow, PLEASE ANET PLEASE!!!

Oh, I’m sure they’ll try to fix it. But it doesn’t appear that the epilogue was in the plans until recently, so expect:

• Very Little Voice Acting. They’ve not had the time, nor budget, set aside for this.

• Very Little New Art. Same problem as the voice acting, but even more so. This may change if they actually held back some stuff that was supposed to go in with the last update, which might explain why the ending is so oddly short when it finally happens.

• Lots of Reading. They’ve got a lot of plot holes to fill, and only one update to try. If they get even half of these, they’re going to have people spewing plot exposition and background information at us.

• Not Much of an Event. This is the wrap-up, the real battle’s over. We might get to chase a few survivors of Scarlet’s forces around in LA, but that’s pretty much going to be it I think. However, I strongly suspect that they will NOT turn off the toxic spore events and zone invasion events that happen in other zones. Yes, they should end, but I very strongly doubt they will.

Well here’s my thought process. If we had destroyed the Breachmaker in this last patch when you went up into the instance then when you ported out it would be odd to see it once again in the sky drilling away, right?

So the only way we could’ve done anything final with the Breachmaker would only be if it was like when the Tower of Nightmares first appeared, as in when we first ported into LA when the final patch hit, we just got an instance, faced Scarlet and then stopped the Breachmaker, but then ANet couldn’t get their epic pre event leading up to the Breachmaker that way.

So maybe they did hold back some content till after Scarlet died and we will see it all come nicely to a close during the Epilogue?

One can hope at least….

webtoehobbit.4201:

Just saying, we got all this awesome build up to this finale, and this last update was among the smallest not only content wise but STORY WISE!

I thought the final story instance was pretty good.

Environment-wise I’m hoping Scarlet’s defeat will break up the alliances and they’ll flee LA. I’m thinking the only alliance that may remain is the Dredge/Flame Legion, but certainly not the Toxic Alliance and I doubt the Aethers will go anywhere near the steam creatures without Scarlet. LA’s fires will be put out, the miasma dealt with, and the skies will lighten. We’ll begin to rebuild, but it should be different. No longer a pirate haven, but a Tyrian city. The Breachmaker will stay put for a while, just hovering there. Maybe it’ll collapse into the water.

But most importantly, I want answers. The cinematic showed us, the players, Mordy. But do any of the Tyrians know what’s happening? I want more than idle NPC conversations that I have to stand around and listen to. I’d like something more…more involved, more dynamic, more rewarding.

well….i do believe it’s going to be very revealing….answer wise….but it will probably be just Destiny’s Edge 2.0 talking about the battle and the wrapping up the story

there will also probably be

Marjory learning of Kasmeer’s rage when she thought Marjory was dead

Kasmeer telling Marjory to never almost die on her again

Braham asking Rox why she chose the team over her warband

What Rytlock thinks of Rox’s choice

How Taimi is doing with the death of Scarlet

What becomes of the Breachmaker

What becomes of Lion’s Arch

and last but not least, them talking about Mordremoth and a course of action

I hope they release consistent updates on making the new LA into what we players decide. They could even have in game events that compete with each other for the design layout. For example, one massive multiserver wide event if it beats the other one at the time means la will have blue stone walls and the other event if it wins could mean la will have black metal walls. They could have a bunch of these massive events in-game over the span of a couple months until LA is rebuilt in the player approved style.

Brother Dulfite.5793:

I hope they release consistent updates on making the new LA into what we players decide. They could even have in game events that compete with each other for the design layout. For example, one massive multiserver wide event if it beats the other one at the time means la will have blue stone walls and the other event if it wins could mean la will have black metal walls. They could have a bunch of these massive events in-game over the span of a couple months until LA is rebuilt in the player approved style.

Anet could also make LA a guild instance and give it to us as sort of a guild hall. Very unlikely but it could happen.

Does the characters know Mordremoth rose? From what I understand they know the drill was for a drgon but it didnt say it was for Mordremoth. Is it possible they think it was to feed another dragon?

bullyrook.2165:

My question is: what are they going to do with a massive structure like the breachmaker?

Most likely shut it down.

And then build the new Lion’s Arch ontop of it.

The breach maker has it’s own POI. It will remain in some form after this episode. Scarlet designed the Breachmaker to continue for some time once it hit the ley lines. My guess is that the top part will be destroyed, while the bottom part will continue it’s mission from beneath a pile of rubble.

webtoehobbit.4201:

Please appease all of our fears, deliver some amazing conclusions to things and wrap up some BIG points that you have still left wide open. We the players deserve some sort of conclusion, don’t make this game be like the Assassins Creed series where nothing ever gets wrapped up story wise, all it does is bring up more questions and strings us players along into the next game where we once again get little to no answers but rather just more questions.

It’s kind of funny, because some players want that sort of “wow” factor type of ending at the end of each living story update like Assassin’s Creed had with its endings. Despite the fact it always caused more questions.

Personally, I’m fine with unanswered questions, so long as they aren’t cast aside to be forgotten. But I definitely hope the epilogue answers some of the more major ones. Curiosity is killing me.

Sera.6539:

Curiosity is killing me.

Yeah, me too, and if they think that curiosity is going to keep people playing, they better think again. I stopped playing Assassins Creed once I heard that Assassins Creed 3 didn’t close anything up by it’s end, and I will never play another Assassins Creed. If Guild Wars 2 keeps going down this path of mini reveals while the big stuff is just continually pushed further and further down the line then I won’t be playing Guild Wars 2 for much longer, I will find a different game to meet my story needs. I don’t play Guild Wars 2 for it’s gameplay, I play it cause Guild Wars 1 had an amazing story and I was hoping it would carry over to the second game…. It’s had it’s moments but this finale is just unacceptable in it’s current form, the epilogue COULD fix everything.

Expect to be disappointed. If the dialogue found in the .dat is true then be prepared to throw your monitor out of the window. It simply confirms the existence of Mordemorth and Scarlet’s death. Nothing new. Nothing fulfilling. Just as bad as Assassin’s Creed.

What exactly do you expect from an Epilogue?
Common sense already says it’s just about wrapping things up, going through stuff that happened. Nothing special. You’ll have to get some patience and wait for season 2.

The Epilogue could use the idea of additional information recovered from the Breachmaker or observed by others to at least bring the characters up to speed with what the players know. (The players saw a dragon wake up, but the characters did not.)

We should also get a stirring speech about LA being rebuilt and all the refugees going home.

webtoehobbit.4201:

there was very little direction to the story to begin with and that at the end you tried to patch it all together and it just didn’t really work.

Pretty good summary of the entire living story. Hopefully they don’t try to do another one.

Silvercyclone.1462:

Brother Dulfite.5793:

I hope they release consistent updates on making the new LA into what we players decide. They could even have in game events that compete with each other for the design layout. For example, one massive multiserver wide event if it beats the other one at the time means la will have blue stone walls and the other event if it wins could mean la will have black metal walls. They could have a bunch of these massive events in-game over the span of a couple months until LA is rebuilt in the player approved style.

Anet could also make LA a guild instance and give it to us as sort of a guild hall. Very unlikely but it could happen.

Does the characters know Mordremoth rose? From what I understand they know the drill was for a drgon but it didnt say it was for Mordremoth. Is it possible they think it was to feed another dragon?

No, only Engineer Player Characters know this. There are no Engie Living Story NPCS at this time.

In the Scarlet’s Demise instance, an Engie PC can get access to the ship’s computer AFTER the NPCS leave. The computer tells everything: Scarlet was dragon hunting (It doesn’t mention Mordremoth by name tho).

I hope the epilogue provide some info on which Elder Dragon did Scarlet awaken.

Her corruption may have been red but I’m still leaning more towards Scarlet actually awakening the Nature Elder Dragon Mordremoth considering the location where the dragon’s location is the Maguuma Jungle.

Palador.2170:

Oh, I’m sure they’ll try to fix it. But it doesn’t appear that the epilogue was in the plans until recently, so expect:

This, I was actually surprised that there will be an epilogue since A.Net said that there will only be 4 Updates.

bullyrook.2165:

My question is: what are they going to do with a massive structure like the breachmaker?

Taimi’s new golem.

Jordo.5913:

Marjory learning of Kasmeer’s rage when she thought Marjory was dead

Kasmeer telling Marjory to never almost die on her again

Braham asking Rox why she chose the team over her warband

What Rytlock thinks of Rox’s choice

How Taimi is doing with the death of Scarlet

What becomes of the Breachmaker

What becomes of Lion’s Arch

Yes, pretty much this, I’m afraid. Useless bullkitten nobody cares about, instead of important things like:
1. “Guys… if this is Mordremoth we have to defend asura and sylvari, they are close to him”
2. “Let’s infiltrate the coe to find some possible answers on how to fight Mordremoth’s minions effectively”
3. “Malyck returned to his people in the west, we must warn them or recruit them before Mordremoth does!”
4. “Is nightmare Court involved in this? Are they his minions? If so…. we are probably going to fight a much bigger force than all the alliances Scarlet brought with her.” (+ nightmare husks or other nightmare creatures)
5. “If she managed to find those lay lines and disrupt them, maybe we can channel it to some device and use it against the dragons? We have to try!”

@Oulov
Honestly, I’m not sure. I rather enjoy the character exposé, the RPG-context you mention is so… generic. It’s what I expect in a RPG anyhow, to a degree where I don’t notice it’s not there. It’s like when the next TWD game episode had no QTEs, I wouldn’t even notice because my brain learned to skip those mentally. Same with “Oh there’s a dragon” in RPGs. /whitenoise

It’s a completely different story with TWD, at least in the movie (haven’t played the game yet). I really enjoy those character-developing episodes while others call them boring.
In gw2 it is different, I really don’t care what happens to those poorly written characters like braham, rox, kasmeer. I only kind of like Jory and Taimi because I think that asura has a potential. Both Jory and Taimi may turn into quite nice anti-heroes.

But I still prefer the answers to the issues I enumerated above.

bullyrook.2165:

My question is: what are they going to do with a massive structure like the breachmaker?

They are going to turn it into a coffee shop.

I am not sure about some of the questions, but here’s a few theories that I came up with:

1. The Breachmaker will sit idle for a while, then slowly be dismantled and used for spare parts for the “New LA.” Either that or we’ll have a cinematic a la Tower of Nightmares that shows the Lionguard and friends blowing it up so they can begin salvage operations.

2. We will find that waking a Mordremoth (if that’s who she woke) is secondary to whatever else Scarlet has done under LA. Evidently, tapping leylines affects more than sleeping dragons. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if she woke the dragon on purpose in hopes she could use it like she did the alliances in order to “save” us all from whatever “new master” she thinks we’ll all be under. Kind of an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type dynamic. (personal note: I wish that someone goes under LA and finds the portal to UW ^^)

3. While in the process of salvaging the Breachmaker, we’ll find yet another diary by Scarlet that kind of outlines her real agenda, and it will be exactly what we thought: She’s batkitten crazy and thought that waking a dragon, any dragon, would bring Tyria to its knees so she could rule the world.

Just the ramblings of a bored old lady….

Oulov.7913:

5. “If she managed to find those lay lines and disrupt them, maybe we can channel it to some device and use it against the dragons? We have to try!”

Now there’s a fun idea, actually. We have the Megalaser, and now we have a wrecked city with a lot of scrap and a tap directly into the ley lines.

I’d say it’s time to build an even bigger megalaser. Something like the big cannon used in FF7, but able to actually turn and aim. Lion’s Arch can be rebuilt around it.

I think it’ll have something to do with the Breachmaker- have you noticed that the drill bit is no longer visible under water? When the patch first hit for Escape, I took my main to get the PoI there and looked at the giant drill bit spinning away. I took an alt in 2 nights ago for the PoI, and not only could I not get as close as I did with my main, but when I did get close, the current tossed me out of the water (from about 20 game feet below the surface) and 100 feet or so in the air. I laughed as my toon hollered while falling back into the water. But the drill but was buried into the bottom of the bay, no longer visible.

Flissy.4093:

bullyrook.2165:

My question is: what are they going to do with a massive structure like the breachmaker?

They are going to turn it into a coffee shop.

Crudly… Why would you give the devs an idea like that? Now Destiny’s Edge 2.0 has a base of operations. I feel like I’m stuck in an episode of Friends.

I imagine they will dismantle the Breachmaker to rebuild Lion’s Arch.

bullyrook.2165:

My question is: what are they going to do with a massive structure like the breachmaker?

talk to magnus after you kill scarlet, its already been explained.

Here is whats going to happen. Most of the Living Story heroes (like Rox and Kasmeer etc etc etc) will complement how awesome they are while they totally ignore your accomplishment or your present. They would even band together and become the next “Destiny Edge” and we get to watch them kill all the future dragon and take those credits from the player. Whoop-dee-freaken-doo.

webtoehobbit.4201:

Your writers at ANet did an amazing job with GW1, please restore the faith of some of us players by getting the Epilogue done right on the 18th.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the writers in GW 1 didn’t contribute anything to this horrific crap they call the Living Story.

I expect and hope the epilogue to provide answers on why Scarlet awoke Mordy, and it should better be something more interesting than because she was mad. Also, answers on the possible connection between sylvari and the dragon.

Epilogue, you say?

We’ll get treated to a six hour long, unskippable cutscene about Female Columbo and Hiccup Girl having a wedding.

Rox and Braham are going to be the ring bearers, acting awkward throughout the whole thing because we all know that both of them just need to hug it out. Taimi will take care of the decorations, blowing up half the place and setting alight the other half.

Logan and Rytlock engage in generic bromance. Zojja and Eir get drunk then discuss the merits of not wearing underwear. Caithe spends the time sitting in a corner, moping about her dark past that Scarlet never actually revealed. That useless cabbage.

Captain Magnus takes his chances with the female guests at the wedding and succeeds. With all of them. Chicks dig the eyepatch.

Ellen Kiel and Evon Gnashblade realize that the plot needs MOAR romantic relationships and get together. In a future patch we get a retcon about Evon always having had the hots for human brunettes and Ellen having an adopted charr sibling who she kept secret until now. DUM DU DUMMM.

Trahearne ascends, ending up as the seventh human god and becomes best friends forever with Kormir as the similarities are undeniable.

The cutscene ends with an emotional musical piece that matches the tone of the entire Living World arc. Here’s the preview of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MC0G-Lbuuk

Wasn’t sitting by a karma bonfire the centerpiece of one of the past epilogues? It’s unlikely to be grand.

I can’t imagine there will be super major spoilers. If there is, what is the point of playing through season two if we know everything.

Just like when a tv show ends their first season, you can’t possibly know what’s going to be of the second season. You have hints of what, but you don’t know exactly how it will turn out.

And we got our conclusion of season one, and that is that Scarlet awoke Mordremoth with the Breachmaker by tapping into the leylines. What is to become of the Breachmaker and to LA shouldn’t be known yet, that’s what season two is for.

I think slowpoke has put more thought into this than most. :P I wouldn’t expect too much. Even so, we’ll get a cut scene and some idol dialogue to tie us over for the next two weeks when we’ll probably see SAB lv 3.

The Breechmaker becomes a giant water slide and is run by the Asurans, since they claim it is stolen technology. The rest of Lions Arch is turned into Six flags over Tyria. Complete with the aforementioned waterslide, arcade, and food court. Saves all those blade shards as you’ll need to convert them into admittance tokens. See ya there!

Nooo Slowpoke nooo! Stop! Please stop hurting my eyes/ears. I hope such useless bullkitten will only be mentioned on wiki and not in game.

Slowpoke.2749:

Snip…

You genius, that was very amusing.

Slowpoke.2749:

Epilogue, you say?

We’ll get treated to a six hour long, unskippable cutscene about Female Columbo and Hiccup Girl having a wedding.

Rox and Braham are going to be the ring bearers, acting awkward throughout the whole thing because we all know that both of them just need to hug it out. Taimi will take care of the decorations, blowing up half the place and setting alight the other half.

Logan and Rytlock engage in generic bromance. Zojja and Eir get drunk then discuss the merits of not wearing underwear. Caithe spends the time sitting in a corner, moping about her dark past that Scarlet never actually revealed. That useless cabbage.

Captain Magnus takes his chances with the female guests at the wedding and succeeds. With all of them. Chicks dig the eyepatch.

Ellen Kiel and Evon Gnashblade realize that the plot needs MOAR romantic relationships and get together. In a future patch we get a retcon about Evon always having had the hots for human brunettes and Ellen having an adopted charr sibling who she kept secret until now. DUM DU DUMMM.

Trahearne ascends, ending up as the seventh human god and becomes best friends forever with Kormir as the similarities are undeniable.

The cutscene ends with an emotional musical piece that matches the tone of the entire Living World arc. Here’s the preview of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MC0G-Lbuuk

Would be very amusing, so …

I got into the game and was disappointed to see that none of those fantastic ideas of mine made it into the epilogue. Curses! Foiled again!

Can we least get a cutscene of Heal-O-Tron becoming high overlord of Tyria?

I think slow poke’s ideas would have been better. At least I would have stopped taking the storyline so seriously.