Guild Wars 2

When I met Truehorn at the battle of Clore Island I had respect for him. But after he got the sword saladbowl, he became more demanding. Now he barely can spare but ONE airship to help lions arch after it was destroyed. Only because there MIGHT be a dragon involved. Scumbag Trehearne

Haha. Nice use of “Clore”.

Related note: Traeherne needs a speech coach.

I love him deep down

He’s going to end up as the sacrificial lamb in a future update.

Bring back MASTER TOGO and remove Trahearne plz. Master Togo at least died for his Peopel. While Trahearne kill Peopel with his BLABLABLABLA…OMG I save Orr… etc…. OMG Talk…..Zzz….zzZzz….. at least he killed my Motivation.

Pact is made to fight dragons. Scarlet is not a dragon. Wasting resources to march armies and airships all over to TRY to stop her is pointless. Her fleet of airships was hidden, so flying his airships all over does nothing to help.

Orr isn’t a vacation land, they have to try to clean up the risen presence and remaining dragons around Orr while rebuilding and planning their next campaign.

I’d really like to see this “cleaned up” Orr…

Trehearne’s wild hunt is to kill the elder dragon and clean up Orr. It is not to save one group of pirates from an attack by another group of pirates.

Everyone seems to be forgetting that the Orders helped in defending and retaking lions arch. The pact draws its strength and resources from the Vigil, Priory, and Order of Whispers.

Celtic Lady.3729:

I’d really like to see this “cleaned up” Orr…

It’s not cleaned up YET. It’s in process.

It’s a nations worth of Risen AT THE LEAST. Then you add corpses from various shipwrecks, Risen assaults, Pact forces fallen on the field…

It’s not going to be an easy cleanup.

DarcShriek.5829:

Trehearne’s wild hunt is to kill the elder dragon and clean up Orr. It is not to save one group of pirates from an attack by another group of pirates.

No, his wyld hunt was to cleanse Orr. Caithe’s was to fight (not kill) the dragons.

Kalavier.1097:

It’s not going to be an easy cleanup.

Four Warriors can do it in three days, if they’re as OP as people claim

Otherwise, I recommend air-dropping all the asura in there without their golems and shooting any who try to escape. They’ll get it sorted out.

truehorn sounds like a good name for a charr guardian rofl

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trahearne and Scarlet are two sides of the same coin, and that both were trying to help awaken the dragon. Take forces away from LA to go after Zhaitan to eliminate competition and let Scarlet awaken the dragon. Never knew broccoli could be so devious.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

DarcShriek.5829:

Trehearne’s wild hunt is to kill the elder dragon and clean up Orr. It is not to save one group of pirates from an attack by another group of pirates.

No, his wyld hunt was to cleanse Orr. Caithe’s was to fight (not kill) the dragons.

How do you cleanse Orr without killing Zhaitan?

Just because the pact is for dragons, doesnt mean he can’t help others. Look at the vigil, mayde to fight dragons, protects everyone.

Scumbag Truehorn hates the living

Oink.6701:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Trahearne and Scarlet are two sides of the same coin, and that both were trying to help awaken the dragon. Take forces away from LA to go after Zhaitan to eliminate competition and let Scarlet awaken the dragon. Never knew broccoli could be so devious.

That’s why we need to chop down the pale tree. We need to go all Lizzy Borden on it.

DarcShriek.5829:

How do you cleanse Orr without killing Zhaitan?

That’s a good question, and one I don’t expect a living piece of wood to have an answer for. I mean, I expect it to be able to tell me about a rogue sylvari child who has an unhealthy obsession with engineering, ley-lines and screwing destiny . . . oh wait.

Yeah, I don’t really think the Pale Tree bothers too much with the details.

Jake.1430:

Just because the pact is for dragons, doesnt mean he can’t help others. Look at the vigil, made to fight dragons, protects everyone.

A: Redeploying the Pact forces is a big task. It’s not worth it to redeploy when the question “So where is this force threatening LA?” is answered with “Uhh…. ummmmm…. we don’t know….” Because NOBODY knew where Scarlet’s forces were between attacks.
B: Pact forces moving into LA to protect them would be answered as if it was a military occupation by the citizens and bulk of Captains council. So he couldn’t do that.
C: Orr is still VERY dangerous, with a few dragons active and a large number of Risen. Pact is busy with the cleanup.

The orders helped out a lot, and their forces nearby responded to the situation. The Pact is mostly in Orr, with some at Frostgorge sound area. They can’t quickly respond to something and if by the time they are ready to move they get a letter going “Oh wait, the Scarlet attacks are handled… she’s disappeared”…

Celtic Lady.3729:

I’d really like to see this “cleaned up” Orr…

I would too, actually! That would be so amazing, to visit the old ruins of ancient Orr….that would be so cool! After maybe like 80% of the dragon corruption as been dispersed, I would love to do an Indiana Jones type exploration release where we can find lots of tributes to the gods and other secrets that have been suppressed or destroyed due to the dragon. More about Abaddon, or the gods themselves? Maybe make that a gateway into an underwater environment with the Deep Sea Dragon. Orr is huge and looks like it was once really beautiful. Maybe after the destruction of LA we’d get the revitalization of Orr? Also will we finally know what happened to the Scepter of Orr after all this time?

Kalavier.1097:

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A: Yeah, because doing nothing for the past two years seem okay for the Pact to not partake in defending LA in the first place.
B: That didn’t stop them from helping the people of LA when they were being butt rump the the Risen invaders.
C: Only further proving that Trahearne’s cleansing does jack crap to Orr and/or how the Living Story isn’t so Living. You would think that in two years, they would at least clear some part by now.

Its funny how they split the Pact and Order with the story seem so “convenient” for the writer to twist their own needs. The Pact would have dealt with Scarlet long ago if they were given a chance to but alas! Everyone have to play idiot just so some Mary Sue Sylvari can invade LA.

Qawsada.4251:

Its funny how they split the Pact and Order with the story seem so “convenient” for the writer to twist their own needs. The Pact would have dealt with Scarlet long ago if they were given a chance to but alas! Everyone have to play idiot just so some Mary Sue Sylvari can invade LA.

I’m sure the Pact would have dealt with Scarlet if they were given a chance to, and we’d see more threads about how Trahearne was a Mary Sue Glory Hog for the Pact getting involved.

The less the Pact is involved in anything other than steadily making Orr safer for all of Tyria? The better.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

I’m sure the Pact would have dealt with Scarlet if they were given a chance to, and we’d see more threads about how Trahearne was a Mary Sue Glory Hog for the Pact getting involved.

The less the Pact is involved in anything other than steadily making Orr safer for all of Tyria? The better.

Oh I am quite aware how stupidly mary sue Trahearne is, but at the very least, they might as well salvage the powerhouse that is the Pact with all their airship and what not. Or at least, use the lieutenants of the Pact for the attack rather than Trahearne.

Qawsada.4251:

Kalavier.1097:

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A: Yeah, because doing nothing for the past two years seem okay for the Pact to not partake in defending LA in the first place.
B: That didn’t stop them from helping the people of LA when they were being butt rump the the Risen invaders.
C: Only further proving that Trahearne’s cleansing does jack crap to Orr and/or how the Living Story isn’t so Living. You would think that in two years, they would at least clear some part by now.

Its funny how they split the Pact and Order with the story seem so “convenient” for the writer to twist their own needs. The Pact would have dealt with Scarlet long ago if they were given a chance to but alas! Everyone have to play idiot just so some Mary Sue Sylvari can invade LA.

A: Pact has been rebuilding and dealing with Orr, as well as planning their next campaign.
B: You mean the orders, before the Pact was formed, and done as a response to the immediate invasion of Claw Island? That’s entirely different then arriving before the attack and announcing they are here to safeguard them when the city never asked for it.

Also, it could very well be twisted by the grieving citizens (Gravity exists, destroyed airships would still rain wreckage on LA, and the toxic or Molten forces causing damage) into “Scarlet attacked us because the Pact was here! THEY MADE US A TARGET!”
C: IT. IS. A. NATION+. OF. RISEN. + Dragon champions still alive and active which could turn fallen into Risen. Among other aspects. The Cleansing of Orr ritual was stated as I recall that it’d take a long time to fully heal Orr. Yeah, they may have cleaned out a section (lorewise, not gameplay wise) by now. But it’s still a nation they are combating. Many artifacts held enough corruption to spawn Risen. They have to be very careful in their cleanup operations.

The Pact explicitly (IIRC) was stated to be rebuilding as of LS. If other times when she caused trouble by the time they mobilized, her trouble had been dealt with, why both heading up. She was (for all they knew) a troublemaker cause issues locally. Not somebody trying to wake a dragon.

WHY would the Pact march up there before the assault on LA? Hm? Aetherblades? oh wait, adventurers and lionguard dealt with that quickly. Molten alliance stuff? They dealt with that too. (And the orders were involved) Toxic? Orders helped out again.

Again, if nobody knew where she disappeared to, how the kitten would the Pact stop her? or Kill her?

Also, what if we sent Trahearne a letter personally asking for reinforcements, then he talked to the Captains council only to get told the overall thing was “Oh, we don’t believe she will attack us. We don’t need your help.” He marches forces in, he’s defying the council openly.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Qawsada.4251:

Its funny how they split the Pact and Order with the story seem so “convenient” for the writer to twist their own needs. The Pact would have dealt with Scarlet long ago if they were given a chance to but alas! Everyone have to play idiot just so some Mary Sue Sylvari can invade LA.

I’m sure the Pact would have dealt with Scarlet if they were given a chance to, and we’d see more threads about how Trahearne was a Mary Sue Glory Hog for the Pact getting involved.

The less the Pact is involved in anything other than steadily making Orr safer for all of Tyria? The better.

Traehearne never stole glory from the player. If you did personal story and paid attention you would see that.

@Kalavier: It’s been 2 weeks. Isn’t that long enough to clean Orr?

DarcShriek.5829:

@Kalavier: It’s been 2 weeks. Isn’t that long enough to clean Orr?

Sure, if we are stupid and take gameplay as lore and have a zerg run through Orr.

I would love to zerg through Orr

Kerrigan for Orr queen :P

Kalavier.1097:

Traehearne never stole glory from the player. If you did personal story and paid attention you would see that.

I know that, I argue against that perception all the darn time, so that tells me how many people would jump right to their keyboards if “Battle of Lion’s Arch” had any Pact involvement where Trahearne would be mentioned even if it was “the Marshall”.

I mean, I’m already stocking up screenshots again for when the inevitable happens and the Pact moves on Mordremoth.

I actually like Trahearne, I don’t like the excuse the writers gave him. Even if it’s not a dragon threatening the city, Lion’s Arch is a location of tactical importance to the Pact. Letting it fall would cripple the allied forces. Trahearne shouldn’t be that stupid.

There was good reason to believe a dragon was involved somehow any way, and we know the Priory at least knew about this (they followed all the releases and got into Scarlets lair with paintings of dragons etc). It’s just another NPC being dumb in this story.

Shiren.9532:

I actually like Trahearne, I don’t like the excuse the writers gave him. Even if it’s not a dragon threatening the city, Lion’s Arch is a location of tactical importance to the Pact. Letting it fall would cripple the allied forces. Trahearne shouldn’t be that stupid.

There was good reason to believe a dragon was involved somehow any way, and we know the Priory at least knew about this (they followed all the releases and got into Scarlets lair with paintings of dragons etc). It’s just another NPC being dumb in this story.

That’s the thing.

A: NOBODY knew where Scarlet’s armies were. He can’t order an attack on an enemy he can’t find.
B: If they marched into LA and set up defenses, it’d be treated as a MILITARY OCCUPATION. Captains council and citizens would both flip out and possibly riot/attack the Pact.
C: Even if they saved city (with damage from falling airships and molten/toxic attacks) the Citizens could turn it to a “The Pact made us a target!” in their grief.
D: Captain’s council never asked for help. You can’t march into a city if they don’t ask you to help them out. It’d also set a mindset for other cities of "Oh, the Pact may march in without warning or care, and basically occupy a city to ‘defend’ it without any permission from the leaders.

Kalavier.1097:

That’s the thing.

A: NOBODY knew where Scarlet’s armies were. He can’t order an attack on an enemy he can’t find.

Well, we do know where she was going to be before the Marionette test reached a conclusion. The problem was that we didn’t have confirmation Scarlet was tied to the dragons until now. IT casts a weird cast on the Pact (made to combat dragons) attacking someone who was not a dragon . . . I know it would make a great many people nervous to have that might thrown around.

B: If they marched into LA and set up defenses, it’d be treated as a MILITARY OCCUPATION. Captains council and citizens would both flip out and possibly riot/attack the Pact.

Don’t think it would have gotten that far, unless it was done despite the unanimous vote of the Captain’s Council.

I do think it would have been played up a lot in Divinity’s Reach for certain about the Pact picking fights with someone not a dragon or confirmed dragon follower instead of the other two legitimate targets which are known to exist.

Already expecting they won’t mobilize until we get confirmation Mordremoth exists and is west of the Brisban Wildlands. By which point our lovely group is going to be poised to move in anyway and bring the zerg with them.

C: Even if they saved city (with damage from falling airships and molten/toxic attacks) the Citizens could turn it to a “The Pact made us a target!” in their grief.

It’s notable they’re already blaming sylvari in some places.

Kalavier.1097:

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A: Yeah and they got like two years. You would think by now they replenish their forces by now. Even with the undead dragon dead, thing just so happen to remain the same.
B: Its both. Whether or not they their main goal is truly the dragon, they care for Lion Arch for them to defend them against the undead risen. You would think by now that the central hub of every thing would attract the Pact from going to LA and help retake it from Scarlet. I would seriously doubt that would be the case seeing there was none of the Pact there to begin with. Even if they are there, the LA citizens would recognize that they are on their side.
C: They got two years of this and it seem that the pact are could be there with all those pact golems and what not that happen in in the Nightmare Tower update. I’m using gamewise for the cleansing part because the fact that Teq was meant to show that the undead hasn’t chance, the cleansing does crap. I wouldn’t even excuse the part where the artifact corrupt because that is all seem to only tie to the story (hell, in fact, we get to use one and sake a shrine because of it).

From the dialogue with sylvari vigil in LA, and the factor there are a whole bunch of Orders members running around, they seem to be doing all fine. The order help but the

As for why they should bother, its funny how Scarlet happens to do the most damage in the short amount of time, and that alone should grab the Pact’s attention. Hell, Scarlet tries to assassinate the queen and they made it a big deal about in the human story. The order help but they should do more, like use up all the golem, airship, and orr artifact to help.

In anyways, they should have been there to wait and see if Scarlet suppose to make her move to LA and relied on the player to get the things done right.

Again, an army and airships sitting in LA would be viewed badly. Especially if they aren’t going anywhere.

The realistic viewpoint is, the Pact leadership and forces directly under them wasn’t involved. The orders however, were heavily involved.

Also, it takes TIME to Mobilize armies. It’d take long to contact the various airships around all of Orr and tell them to return to base. Likewise, dragon champions such as Tequatl are still active and airships being pulled makes ground forces weak toward air strikes.

Then, when the Pact is ready to move, they have to march/fly to LA, which takes even longer. By the time the Pact was underway, the battle for LA could’ve been over.

Kalavier.1097:

A: NOBODY knew where Scarlet’s armies were. He can’t order an attack on an enemy he can’t find.

Everyone and their dogs know that she going to invade there. Evon knows, the people that know about the thumper on underwater knows, those ls characters know, and hell, we ourselves and just march right into the council and say we know. The invasion pull off because writer dictate it, not because anyone don’t know about the invasion.

Kalavier.1097:

Again, an army and airships sitting in LA would be viewed badly. Especially if they aren’t going anywhere.

The realistic viewpoint is, the Pact leadership and forces directly under them wasn’t involved. The orders however, were heavily involved.

Also, it takes TIME to Mobilize armies. It’d take long to contact the various airships around all of Orr and tell them to return to base. Likewise, dragon champions such as Tequatl are still active and airships being pulled makes ground forces weak toward air strikes.

Then, when the Pact is ready to move, they have to march/fly to LA, which takes even longer. By the time the Pact was underway, the battle for LA could’ve been over.

All they have to say that its Order Business. Considering that they help chase off the undead risen, their word should be viable.

Realistically, they have enough men for the order to get involve, so it sense the Pact should join in.

Qawsada.4251:

Realistically, they have enough men for the order to get involve, so it sense the Pact should join in.

Realistically, that kind of thing can start wars. Just saying.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Realistically, that kind of thing can start wars. Just saying.

Realistically, we are in a war. With Scarlet!

Qawsada.4251:

Kalavier.1097:

A: NOBODY knew where Scarlet’s armies were. He can’t order an attack on an enemy he can’t find.

Everyone and their dogs know that she going to invade there. Evon knows, the people that know about the thumper on underwater knows, those ls characters know, and hell, we ourselves and just march right into the council and say we know. The invasion pull off because writer dictate it, not because anyone don’t know about the invasion.

The evidence in the story states quite clearly that the captain’s council did not believe an attack was imminent. So obviously, not everyone and their dog knew. The responsibility of the defense of Lions Arch rests squarely on the shoulders of the captains council and the blew it. It is not the pact’s fault, it is the council’s fault.

DarcShriek.5829:

The evidence in the story states quite clearly that the captain’s council did not believe an attack was imminent. So obviously, not everyone and their dog knew. The responsibility of the defense of Lions Arch rests squarely on the shoulders of the captains council and the blew it. It is not the pact’s fault, it is the council’s fault.

And here is the kicker. Only the council didn’t believe this. Everyone else did. The council was made to fail just so Scarlet can invade regardless as to what happen. Its a shame that such poor writing was force to make the invasion “work”.

Qawsada.4251:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Realistically, that kind of thing can start wars. Just saying.

Realistically, we are in a war. With Scarlet!

Dead now, so no more war. Yay for that, I was getting tired of hearing about her. Now we can get back to bashing Trahearne like normal people.

Thanks to some nobody asura thief I hear. I also hear the esteemed Dulfy took care of it in record time, so I don’t know which one is false.

Celtic Lady.3729:

I’d really like to see this “cleaned up” Orr…

By “cleaned up”, he really just meant with less swearing. That whole ceremony is what created the forum’s magical kitten filter.