Guild Wars 2

Xiahou Mao.9701:

The Molten Weapon Facilities were destroyed, yes, but not until they’d been in operation for several months. We’ve already determined from the dialogue with Marjory and Kasmeer that real time and game time are equivalent for the living story, as they mentioned the Molten Alliance being formed ‘a year ago’. There were several months between the first appearance of the Molten Alliance and the time we finally got into their facility to destroy it. That’s a decent-sized weapons stockpile.

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And for the Krait, yeah, we foiled Scarlet’s plans at the Tower of Nightmares and killed their prophet. So why are they still following her? Well, she delivered them their prophet, the Toxic Hybrid, and.. we went and killed it. Don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, they want revenge now? I’m not sure what kind of world you’re living in where you’d think that the Krait would just shrug off the death of their prophet and give up, going back to what they were doing before. Scarlet provided them with something very important to their culture, and we took it away from them. If anything they should be even more fanatical as followers now. It’s a far cry from the complaining Dredge and Flame Legion captives from Flame and Frost, the Krait society would be going all-in for bloody vengeance against the heretics.

Just a couple points on these two. The weaponry developed by the molten facilities is irrelevant, because the dredge and the flame legion have no reason to be following her anymore at this point. Both dredge and flame legion NPCs at the end of Flame and Frost even expressed their anger that she tricked them and took advantage of them, and that the alliance was a mistake.

As for the krait, I think it’s far more likely that they would consider the Toxic Hybrid as a “false prophet” and be ready to tear Scarlet limb from limb for deceiving them. They’re fanatics; the idea that their prophet could be so easily defeated by our characters isn’t an idea I imagine they would even entertain.

That leaves the aetherblades (an armada of pirates working under threat of death from a single sylvari? No.), the twisted watchwork enemies (just how many did Jennah have made?), and the Nightmare Court splinter faction (no actual reason given for their participation that I know of).

The only two I can find logic in at this point is the watchwork enemies, because it’s not unreasonable to assume she reverse engineered them and started production of her own, and the Nightmare Court. And that’s just because we don’t know why they’re working for her in the first place, so we don’t necessarily have reason to believe they’d ditch her at this point.

I think some people here really have what is in the game for gameplay and story reasons mixed up pretty hardcore. Most of them seem to be the ones in defense of Scarlet as well that think this way.

You see something in the game like waypoints, respawning enemies, and unlimited merchant cash are that way so the game continues on for everyone. These elements are not to be taken seriously at all and only a fool would try to use them as a counter point defense. Elements like these poof once you get into the story and suddenly there will be only one hero, one commander, and you will have to walk everywhere as you did in the personal story.

Molten Alliance:
The dead horse of how little sense this makes has been beaten to death but those saying it ran for months as a justification for all the weapons it made are still stretching it. If you remember we destroyed far more then one because Rox and Braham at the end talk about calling each other each time a new one is found. Now each one isn’t going to have giant huge bosses at the end of it but still it is safe to assume you killed several of them and they were massive.

So you have to factor in the weapons lost still inside them, the minerals lost inside them, the troops that died inside them, their secret major modified versions of themselves were destroyed, they lost leaders in the molten alliance. Not to mention the resources lost when they attacked two nations and people fought back. Even if they operated for months this is a major setback if you compare it to any war that has ever occurred where you lost a major supply line. Whatever is left over would be what you had and when you lose the item there isn’t a replacement coming right away.

Not to mention when you speak to those who got captured they were IRATE about being tricked and losing so much of their forces. Which would be a large setback to a faction within a faction that already had smaller numbers and -allied- to start with to bolster against fact.

Aetherblades:
I’d love to know where she got all these ships because she only stole a few of them and the Pact is a fairly new organization only a few years old. I highly doubt one of the most powerful military organizations on the planet would take it’s ships getting stolen lightly nor would it let that many get stolen. Lets not even touch on how these ships are a combination of several different races technology combined together by some of the best minds and blacksmiths on the planet. So Scarlet reverse engineering them to build is as a MASSIVE eye brow raiser so that she can build more later in a secret base in TA. A place mind you that was already attacked and routed a little of the Nightmare Court so it would be monitored but she did this all in -secret- despite that.

Then there is the LA base… you know right next door to a place run by pirates/criminals with a thriving black market. You are telling me that the Vigil which has a base there, the massive population in LA of all races, the pirates, the underground black market, the order of whispers which has a major hidden base inside LA didn’t notice a MASSIVE amount of parts just being airlifted or smuggled in?

She uses these Aetherblade for almost everything as well with their ships. Each time losing more ships and people. Why would anyone keep joining an organization that loses 9 out 10 of it’s soldiers every other week?! One that keeps losing it’s larger bases as well. Seems to me like they’d join a regular pirate or raiding group to hit smaller targets to get rich and you know LIVE instead of serving someone who is insane.

Toxic Alliance:
(Just like the Molten Alliance the reasons for the alliance not making sense have been beaten like a dead horse so not covering it) So Divinity’s Reach during the Queens Jubilee gets attacked and thus Scarlet makes yet another major nation it’s enemy so you know they are looking out for her and have soldiers fighting the centaur all the time in Kessix Hills. Yet none of them notice one of the largest sources of lumber near them just being harvested in mass to build a crazy sized tower? Yes, the tower itself was hidden but they had to leave it to come and get lumber. Lumber that the centaur also claim and are far more aggressive about protecting it but yet not even they noticed it being stolen out of their backyard? You know the race that makes EVERYTHING it has from WOOD.

So not only does it go unnoticed but you can easily say it failed in the eyes of the Krait because they got no prophet from it and the Krait are not fools. They’ve existed as a scourge to many of the powerful races at sea for a long time now and are some of the most powerful magic users around. Yet when what is promised to them proven to be a lie they just stick around? Despite losing so many of their own kind from the tower falling.

The Invasions and the giant puppet:
So both of these it is safe to say take up massive amounts of her forces from all of her factions except Toxic for the invasions. So once again even if they only happen -once- per area because it is noted in the story she was attacking more then one area. She loses even more resources in terms of minerals/magic and manpower. Yet everyone still sticks with her and once again she uses more resources then most of the races could ever hope to harvest in such a short span of time for her giant puppet. A puppet I will remind you that got heavily injured and cost her more forces just so she could -test- it.

Inquest:
I think it is safe to say at this point she would have offended the Inquest greatly. She stole technology from them, used them, betrayed them, ruined one of their biggest experiments during KUDU’S leadership. So they’d be annoyed from her before the Aetherblades were ever formed let alone much later when they are formed. Yet Kudu one of the smartest Asura around for awhile failed to notice Scarlet’s involvement at the reactor and her stealing of technology? You’d have to assume his Lt’s would know something like this so upon his death when they took over why would they trust her at all? Why would some of the most vindictive people in all of Tyria keep joining together with her when they get nothing out of it every single bloody time! Plus why do the Inquest not have a kill on sight policy with Scarlet yet based off of the fact they are that vindictive.

The Inquest only do things when they feel they will come out ahead and so far that hasn’t happened with Scarlet and it in fact has set them back more. One of the largest villain factions that exist in the game if you go off the bases they build. Just takes it all in stride.

This doesn’t even cover where she gets the resources to go into the mists all the time. All the clockworks that keep getting built after the jubilee ended. How she keeps outpacing every major faction in the game and the Pact itself which would have shifted some of it’s forces after the fall of Zhaitan. How people like the Order of Whispers who have been noted as having the largest spy network to ever exist in Tyria magically never find out anything about her till it is to late. Where the bloody steam creatures come from constantly which boggles even the Priory which I’d like to hope a group of the brightest minds in all of Tyria could figure that one out. Especially when Scarlet is just ONE person. Yet despite constantly losing resources she can launch an assault on one of the largest cities in the game as if it was nothing. The Pact and all the other races with an investment in LA which it has been made clear the orders care about LA and even the Charr likes to Evon and the Ash Legion have an invested interest in it. Oh.. and the Vigil barracks in the south of the city are nowhere to be found?

She pulls a massive amount of resources from nowhere that under the guidelines of the story where stuff like infinite money for vendors is removed makes little sense. I get that you have to suspend your disbelief somewhat all the time for things to work out in many movies books and games. However even they have limits on how much they ask of you if they are any good. We’ve long sense crossed that line with Scarlet.

I’d rather they have broken up the story with other villains attacking or more stuff like SaB so it was given more time to make sense then the giant Mary Sue they put into the game. It took WoW more then a single year to make me stop caring about it’s lore and while GW1 did stumble here and there it did get back up and kept itself interesting.

I stay for the gameplay and stuff like SaB. I certainly do not stay for the story in the game anymore. Saladbog boy might have been a little boring but he was the games learning experience in my eyes and they had a chance to improve on him later. I hated him but at least I could work out how he did things even if I didn’t like it.

Scarlet has Rich Oricalcum and Ancient Tree nodes in her personal instance and she’s never missed a day of gathering since release.

The sad part is there is some good elements mixed in like Braham and Taimi (Even if she has so much makeup on she looks like a fake little doll). The hinting of glint and the sanctum event and the second Southsun Cove event with the queen was loads of fun but they just can’t make up for the massive fail that is Scarlet with these other elements. She robbed so many villains of agency and made many of them into bad jokes in the players eyes. So using them later on their own is going to be kinda hard because that kinda taint sticks around in people heads.

There are many great elements to this game but the major story segments with Scarlet are not it. If I wanted to see the current writers at their best I’d walk around and listen to the many npc’s talk to each other in their conversations or see the segments that happen during dynamic events. They shine like mad there but they stink currently at making an interesting major villain.

The Shatterer and The Claw of Jormag are just ranks for dragon champions. Every time we kill a Claw or the Shatterer, we are not killing the one we killed yesterday. It is a completely different dragon.

Where Kralk and Jormag get these dragons to designate as their champions, however, is beyond me.

If I were I role player I would take this thread a little more serious, I’m not however so i am going to go with with, because a developer made it that way.

If I was going to go all role player I would say from what ever is controlling her from the infinite alchemy. On the other had, like people have said, its not realistic either way when you think about how many time the dragons have been killed or how many centaur have been killed, hell its genocide.

Just live with the she is given it from what ever is in the infinite alchemy.

Kuro Zetsumei.1397

sorry but I’m really getting tired of these posts made for nothing but trying to sprout negativity, you really lack facts and common knowledge if this is how you actually see things.

Excuse me? You accuse me of not having knowledge when you can’t even read my post straight.

1. you confuse game mechanics for actual writing, it wouldn’t be fun to fight a battle with the Marionette when there’s 300 players and 20 clockwork contraptions trying to make their way to the portals now would it? think before you post.

I started my post saying just that: I understand there must be more enemies than would be realistic due to the number of players. My argument is with the fact that these factions (lorewise there should only be a few dozen Aetherblades given that they’re a pirate crew). keep appearing week after week long after their reduction in number makes it viable for them to appear in force.

2. I dont recall the story arch finishing yet? or are you one of those people that can predict the future.. you know like that guy.. what was his name again.. oh yeah! Micheal mac doesn’t exist.

Scarlet having another hundred of facilities appear out of nowhere would actually fit the character’s poor backstory.

3. we shutdown the alliances? WHEN!? I don’t recall beating factions in a battle now also magically makes them disband!

We effectively shut down the Molten Alliance when we destroyed the majority of their hidden bases. They were a splinter faction to begin with, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have many more bases than the main factions they came from.

We effectively shut down the Aetherblades when we invaded 3 of their bases. They stole the airships and unless we’re totally incompetent and let the remaining few take off in their stolen ships, or they have a hidden factory where they can produce hundreds of new ones (we destroyed that factory actually), they should at some point cease to exist. They’re a pirate band in origin, not a huge army, so their numbers were even more limited than the Molten Alliance.

We effectively shut down the Toxic Alliance when the huge plant was destroyed. This removed the only way for Krait ‘to get their prophets’, meaning they effectively lost any plausible reason to remain in their alliance.

And remember, they were splinter factions to begin with. They surely can be made more numerous in player encounters to scale with the number of people playing. What I’m pointing at is the fact that they keep re-appearing in the story long after their credibility has run out.

Sure Scarlet isn’t the most amazing character, but that doesn’t automatically mean the rest is also poorly done, let alone people seeming to be unaware of this being an MMO.

True. Destiny’s edge 2.0 is very well done. However, anything related to Scarlet is blown way out of proportions and that really hurts the story. It all started going wrong when they made her not smart, but ‘smarter than any Asura that ever lived’. It went downhill from there.

And my final point: it’s not just unrealistic that the factions working together 2 at a time, they also have no issues working alongside the other factions with no explanation given.