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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

ZudetGambeous.9573

This has been bugging me for a while now… every time we deliver a crushing defeat to scarlet it seems to grant her MORE resources.

Destroy all of her molten weapon facilities… UNLIMITED molten weapons for EVERYONE!!!

Destroy her aetherblade base, and cripple their leadership… Obtains a fleet of OVER 9000 AIRSHIPS!!!!

Destroy the krait prophet and shard thing and nightmare tower giving the krait no reason to follow her and depriving her of her poison source…. even MOAR krait fight for her, and UNLIMITED access to SUPER toxin that magically evolved.

Blow up a marionette that used more steel than all 5 major races could mine in their lifetime… ATTACK PLANS COMPLETE.

Where does she get this stuff? It isn’t even in the realm of possibility, and it makes our heros effort completely meaningless. Nothing we have done mattered at all up to this point.

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Posted by: FenrirSlakt.3692

FenrirSlakt.3692

This has been bugging me for a while now… every time we deliver a crushing defeat to scarlet it seems to grant her MORE resources.

Destroy all of her molten weapon facilities… UNLIMITED molten weapons for EVERYONE!!!

Destroy her aetherblade base, and cripple their leadership… Obtains a fleet of OVER 9000 AIRSHIPS!!!!

Destroy the krait prophet and shard thing and nightmare tower giving the krait no reason to follow her and depriving her of her poison source…. even MOAR krait fight for her, and UNLIMITED access to SUPER toxin that magically evolved.

Blow up a marionette that used more steel than all 5 major races could mine in their lifetime… ATTACK PLANS COMPLETE.

Where does she get this stuff? It isn’t even in the realm of possibility, and it makes our heros effort completely meaningless. Nothing we have done mattered at all up to this point.

No one knows just how many hidden bases she has around Tyria. I mean, he lair was right under the Priory’s nose for who knows how long and it was discovered just recently.

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Posted by: Fafnir.5124

Fafnir.5124

all are solid hollograms

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

sorudo.9054

that’s the magic of bad writing, make up a story that only makes sense on it’s own and copy/paste them one after the other.

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Posted by: Palador.2170

Palador.2170

I’d say she’s been opening portals to unexplored parts of the mists and strip-mining them. That’s where her factories are, too.

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Posted by: cyst.3108

cyst.3108

There is a metal facility in TA

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Posted by: Faowri.4159

Faowri.4159

They come from vast silos of plot convenience.

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Posted by: Naevius.3185

Naevius.3185

People keep tossing stuff into the Mystic Forge…I believe the Marionette was completely made of rare greatswords.

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Posted by: Aajolea.8132

Aajolea.8132

They are story convenience, there is really no attempt to justify the enormous resources she has and has had destroyed, there has been attempts, but considering the volume of machinery destroyed by us and the thousands of her allies and machines destroyed by us, her supply is greater than all the nations combined, and the dragons too.

In short there are unlimited to fit the story of the writers/devs and as such horribly out of place with the rest of tyria’s economy and presentation.

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Posted by: Palador.2170

Palador.2170

They are story convenience, there is really no attempt to justify the enormous resources she has and has had destroyed, there has been attempts, but considering the volume of machinery destroyed by us and the thousands of her allies and machines destroyed by us, her supply is greater than all the nations combined, and the dragons too.

In short there are unlimited to fit the story of the writers/devs and as such horribly out of place with the rest of tyria’s economy and presentation.

Yeah.

I might try to come up with excuses, because I like finding ways to make things like this work. But let’s be honest, there’s no in-story balance here. No source of her resources.

Even the GI Joe cartoon in the 80s eventually touched on where Cobra got a lot of their money and resources. Scarlet is now less believable than Cobra Commander.

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Posted by: psyckos.6893

psyckos.6893

The Trading Post of course! Next question

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Posted by: Xiahou Mao.9701

Xiahou Mao.9701

How does Zhaitan keep getting all these Risen to throw at people? Sure, he had a whole continent’s worth, but it’s been a year and a half since the game launched now. People have killed millions, if not billions of Risen enemies. In fact, some people have already completed the Personal Story and killed Zhaitan himself. So why are there still so many Risen? Zhaitan is such a Mary-Sue!

C’mon, guys. It’s an MMORPG. You can’t try to justify “where do all these enemies come from” given the scale of slaughter and genocide the players put forward wherever they go. You just have to accept it, and that’s true whether it’s talking about Scarlet, Zhaitan, Kralkatorrik/Jormag (how many Shatterers and Claws have been killed since the game’s launch?), or those bandits in Queensdale that pour out by the dozens each five minutes to attack a farm.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

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How did the Pact get all those resources to build hundreds of massive airships, tanks, artillery and bases?

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Posted by: Shiren.9532

Shiren.9532

The Trading Post of course! Next question

She must have been kittened when ascended weapons were introduced and the price on most ore rose dramatically.

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Posted by: Lydell.8713

Lydell.8713

-Blackgate-

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Posted by: inazuma.7021

inazuma.7021

She just puts it all on her Black Lion Express card. What’s in your wallet?

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Posted by: Spendingallmytime.7249

Spendingallmytime.7249

Well, all the races that she aligned probably gathered them. She doesn’t have to do anything.

Why you bein’ cute?

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Posted by: BatsLoveCaves.5768

BatsLoveCaves.5768

This isn’t the first thread addressing this major problem in Scarlet’s story.

Since the story is coming to a close soon though, hopefully it will be the last.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

I still keep wondering why this is a problem, but the fact that the Pact seems to have more or less unlimited resources doesn’t seem to be an issue at all

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

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I still keep wondering why this is a problem, but the fact that the Pact seems to have more or less unlimited resources doesn’t seem to be an issue at all

For me personally I always thought there was a pretty long sense of time in the personal story. I don’t know if that is accurate or not, but the story gave me the impression of spanning multiple years. Additionally the pact has the resources of all 5 major races of tyria as well as the backing of the 3 largest organizations in tyria. It made more sense to me that they would have more to work with. Even then resources were stretched thin, many of the missions were small elite squads who had to get something done because they couldn’t spend a lot of resources.

Scarlet on the other hand seems to be on a much shorter time frame, everything seems rushed. Again maybe lore wise this isn’t the case, but that’s how it feels. Also every single one of scarlets missions/tasks involves her sending an entire army at the problem. The factions she united were all fairly small compared to the entire race they represent.

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Posted by: cainejw.7142

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I still keep wondering why this is a problem, but the fact that the Pact seems to have more or less unlimited resources doesn’t seem to be an issue at all

The Pact is comprised of three larger orders with a singular goal in mind to devote resources. Scarlet is comprised of a bunch of bad guys with no singular goal other than, apparently, blind and unerring devotion to Mary Sue from Bad Writing Land.

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Posted by: Lasica.5068

Lasica.5068

Scarlet is in league with Zommoros and for every 4 items you put into the forge, she gets the raw materials from 3 of them.

Why make sense, when it’s so much more fun to make nonsense?

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Posted by: BatsLoveCaves.5768

BatsLoveCaves.5768

I still keep wondering why this is a problem, but the fact that the Pact seems to have more or less unlimited resources doesn’t seem to be an issue at all

Yes, but the pact didn’t make a gigantic 200 foot tall robot appear out of nowhere, nor a gigantic wooden tower in the middle of Viathan Lake (seriously, the disappearance of most of Kryta’s forests to build that thing would have been noticeable to SOMEONE).

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Posted by: Bubi.7942

Bubi.7942

What do you mean where does she get the resources?

She mines nodes, duh.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

Yes, but the pact didn’t make a gigantic 200 foot tall robot appear out of nowhere, nor a gigantic wooden tower in the middle of Viathan Lake (seriously, the disappearance of most of Kryta’s forests to build that thing would have been noticeable to SOMEONE).

True, but they did build massive airships, tanks and bases which most likely rival (if not surpass) the amount of stuff needed for the Marionette and the Tower.

It was far from “most of Kryta’s forests”, and people DID notice it quite a bit before the Tower was revealed.

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Posted by: Teofa Tsavo.9863

Teofa Tsavo.9863

Scotty uses the replicator and beams all of that down from the Enterprise.

Shrug. It’s as good an excuse as Krall made.

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Posted by: Raine Akrune.8416

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Everything about Scarlet is a plot hole.

Remember when she tried to kidnap Queen Jennah?
Remember the first time she attacked Lion’s Arch?
Remember how she drops random world bosses and giant structures in new places rather than intended targets?
How she is magically in control of different factions, from different parts of Tyria, which have no reason to go along with her plans?

My guild was having a long discussion on how she just does stuff, ultimately fails, comes back with even better tech, men, and resources, and yet no one seems to be able to follow her movements. How does she just fly around and drop these massive structures without anyone picking up on it? We had spies in the Molten Alliance but they never heard anything about this stuff?

On top of that, did everyone forget the massive airship armada and army the pact created? How does she continue to fly around with small groups of airships and we’re utterly defensless? For example, when the Aetherblades attacked long after killing Zhaitan we only had hot air balloons for our side of air travel/scouting.

Scarlet is that terrible Hollywood villain that just does stuff with no explanation. She’s the simple scapegoat for all problems ArenaNet would rather not waste time on or are simply to lazy to think of a better explanation.

By the way… Why are the Elder Dragons not taking advantage of our current dismay thanks to Scarlet and conquering their domains? With everyone fighting a giant clockwork puppet in Lornar’s Pass you’d think Jormag would strike from the north.

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Posted by: synk.6907

synk.6907

Maybe she made her own Infinity Ball...

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Posted by: darkace.8925

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How did the Pact get all those resources to build hundreds of massive airships, tanks, artillery and bases?

Are you seriously comparing one individual to the combined political, logistical, and military efforts of three paramilitary organizations backed by the land’s five mightiest nations?

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Posted by: Vol.7601

Vol.7601

How does Zhaitan keep getting all these Risen to throw at people? Sure, he had a whole continent’s worth, but it’s been a year and a half since the game launched now. People have killed millions, if not billions of Risen enemies. In fact, some people have already completed the Personal Story and killed Zhaitan himself. So why are there still so many Risen? Zhaitan is such a Mary-Sue!

C’mon, guys. It’s an MMORPG. You can’t try to justify “where do all these enemies come from” given the scale of slaughter and genocide the players put forward wherever they go. You just have to accept it, and that’s true whether it’s talking about Scarlet, Zhaitan, Kralkatorrik/Jormag (how many Shatterers and Claws have been killed since the game’s launch?), or those bandits in Queensdale that pour out by the dozens each five minutes to attack a farm.

^

Some people are just looking for excuses to rant against the game.

If you’re going to have to rail against Scarlet and her resources, how about complaining about how mobs just spawn out of thin air, or how Shat/Teq/Claw keep coming back even though we killed them.

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Posted by: Riot Inducer.8964

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How did the Pact get all those resources to build hundreds of massive airships, tanks, artillery and bases?

Are you seriously comparing one individual to the combined political, logistical, and military efforts of three paramilitary organizations backed by the land’s five mightiest nations?

Exactly, also to the best of my knowledge the Pact never suffered crippling losses of resources on the scale that scarlet has. I mean to tally it we’ve destroyed the molten alliance factory/bases, the aetherblade airship bases and leadership (twice if you count the aetherpath in TA), and taken down the nightmare tower/toxic alliance and it’s offshoots.

While Scarlet is more concerned with the technological and scientific advances gained from these facilities than the military forces, by all rights she should be just about out of organic forces to throw around.

I don’t even know how to address the steam/clockwork creatures, she might have factories for them somewhere but even before scarlet they just kind of appeared.

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Posted by: silvermember.8941

silvermember.8941

Except that according to the story there is only 1 commander (PC) and yet whenever you see a mission there are hundreds of commander doing stuff.

Why don’t you complainers explain to me why there are so many commanders out there fighting the marionette with me, even though they is supposedly only one.

Why do merchant NPC have an infinite amount of gold?

Why where to mobs magically come from?

Why do mobs have exotic armor.

How come I have to kill 20 mobs to blood when all mobs have blood?

Some of you guys are nitpicking things that exist for gameplay reason.

Why do players get more health as they kill more stuff. Why should a mob suddenly become less threatening?

These are all question you could ask as well.

To the person using GI Joe as an example, GI joe is a tv series. Tv Series are entirely story and character driven. Video games are mainly gameplay dominated. Without the gameplay aspect, MMORPG will completely fall apart. Imagine playing a game where mobs never respawn, you better hope you are the first one on the map or you wont ever level.

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This is an mmo forum, if someone isn’t whining chances are the game is dead.

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Posted by: Elric.6971

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I think 4chan’s own Guild Wars 2 general put it: the most kitten ingly frustrating thing about Scarlet is not even her infinite resources, it’s how she brings everyone together.

In the personal story, our characters struggle to get all of the good guys, who do share a single goal, to work together. We beg, we plead, we threaten, we outright beat some sense into some, and at last, they finally and reluctantly agree.

Meanwhile, Scarlet goes up to this nebulous collection of badguys, each with their own vastly differing goals and ideologies and says “join my club, all the cool kids are doing it” and BAM! she has an army with hundreds of different groups lining up to join her.

Thinking about it, Trahearne ended up sort of bringing all those people together too. So maybe sylvari produce a powerful, narcotic pollen that’s highly addictive and makes everyone throw themselves at sylvari to avoid getting the shakes.

Edit: Wait, so “kitten ” is now censored too? Don’t they say harsher things in the game itself?

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Posted by: Raine Akrune.8416

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I think 4chan’s own Guild Wars 2 general put it: the most kitten ingly frustrating thing about Scarlet is not even her infinite resources, it’s how she brings everyone together.

In the personal story, our characters struggle to get all of the good guys, who do share a single goal, to work together. We beg, we plead, we threaten, we outright beat some sense into some, and at last, they finally and reluctantly agree.

Meanwhile, Scarlet goes up to this nebulous collection of badguys, each with their own vastly differing goals and ideologies and says “join my club, all the cool kids are doing it” and BAM! she has an army with hundreds of different groups lining up to join her.

Thinking about it, Trahearne ended up sort of bringing all those people together too. So maybe sylvari produce a powerful, narcotic pollen that’s highly addictive and makes everyone throw themselves at sylvari to avoid getting the shakes.

Edit: Wait, so "kitten " is now censored too? Don’t they say harsher things in the game itself?

Makes me think of those Stargate Atlantis episodes with the guy who uses a “love potion” so everyone thinks he’s the coolest dude around. Maybe Scarlet just wants to be friends?

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Posted by: thuras.4537

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simple : Black Lion Trading company :-p

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Posted by: ZudetGambeous.9573

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I think some people are confusing story elements and gameplay elements. I realize that enemies respawn and thus there are an “infinite” amount of them, or that dungeons are repeatable so we blew up thousands of molten facilities, but those are gameplay elements.

Story elements are things like, we destroyed scarlets reason for the krait helping her, why are they still helping her? we blew up the factories that make the airships and the molten weapons, why are they still being used in later stories?

The story is supposed to progress in a logical fashion. Sure there are gameplay elements to consider, but the story itself should still be logical.

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Posted by: Palador.2170

Palador.2170

I think some people are confusing story elements and gameplay elements. I realize that enemies respawn and thus there are an “infinite” amount of them, or that dungeons are repeatable so we blew up thousands of molten facilities, but those are gameplay elements.

Story elements are things like, we destroyed scarlets reason for the krait helping her, why are they still helping her? we blew up the factories that make the airships and the molten weapons, why are they still being used in later stories?

The story is supposed to progress in a logical fashion. Sure there are gameplay elements to consider, but the story itself should still be logical.

Correct.

Okay, look. Let’s take a small example. Why are there endless centaurs in Queensdale? Well, that’s because the plot never really advances beyond the point where there’s supposed to be a lot of centaurs in Queensdale. Yes, the events happen. The battle rages back and forth. But the plot itself is stuck in “Centaurs and Seraph fight for land in Queensdale.” Thus, the centaurs keep coming back.

With Scarlet and the Living Story, however, the plot IS advancing. The plot events have happened, though according to the plot they’ve happened only once. She had a facility in Twilight Arbor, and it got wiped out. She sent a huge force to support her weapons test with the marionette, and we wiped that out too (plot assumes that the event was a win for us). As far as the plot goes, she doesn’t populate those events a dozen times a day, and we don’t do them a dozen times a day. She sent her forces in, we wiped them out. ONCE.

The “endless armies” are a game mechanic for when the plot is at that point. But the plot moves on, her people ARE being slaughtered, and they ARE NOT endless. Every time the plot has moved forward and events have moved into the past, she’s lost a huge chunk of her forces.

She simply shouldn’t have much left by now.

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Posted by: Wintel.4873

Wintel.4873

Scarlet gains her infinite resources from terrible story-writers

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Posted by: Dra Keln.2015

Dra Keln.2015

ITT: People acting like scarlet is the first video game villain to have plot breaking unlimited source of resources.

If Kralkatorik stopped sending the Shatterer to fight us every 3 hours, and just kept the new ones in reserve for a week, he would have 56 dragons, which I’m pretty sure could wreck most of ascalon. Same for Jormag and the Claw. The population of bandits and pirates in the human territory would be enough to completely overflow any city by sheer volume.

Are they plot holes. Sort of. Are they bad writing? No. They’re handwaves done because it makes for better gameplay. Reduce it to the degree that makes sense for you, and call that lore. Is scarlet still a little over the top? Yeah, but not nearly as bad as you people are making her out to be

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Posted by: sorudo.9054

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I think 4chan’s own Guild Wars 2 general put it: the most kitten ingly frustrating thing about Scarlet is not even her infinite resources, it’s how she brings everyone together.

In the personal story, our characters struggle to get all of the good guys, who do share a single goal, to work together. We beg, we plead, we threaten, we outright beat some sense into some, and at last, they finally and reluctantly agree.

Meanwhile, Scarlet goes up to this nebulous collection of badguys, each with their own vastly differing goals and ideologies and says “join my club, all the cool kids are doing it” and BAM! she has an army with hundreds of different groups lining up to join her.

Thinking about it, Trahearne ended up sort of bringing all those people together too. So maybe sylvari produce a powerful, narcotic pollen that’s highly addictive and makes everyone throw themselves at sylvari to avoid getting the shakes.

Edit: Wait, so "kitten " is now censored too? Don’t they say harsher things in the game itself?

Makes me think of those Stargate Atlantis episodes with the guy who uses a “love potion” so everyone thinks he’s the coolest dude around. Maybe Scarlet just wants to be friends?

but what if you have a cold?

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Posted by: RoRo.8270

RoRo.8270

How does Zhaitan keep getting all these Risen to throw at people? Sure, he had a whole continent’s worth, but it’s been a year and a half since the game launched now. People have killed millions, if not billions of Risen enemies. In fact, some people have already completed the Personal Story and killed Zhaitan himself. So why are there still so many Risen? Zhaitan is such a Mary-Sue!

C’mon, guys. It’s an MMORPG. You can’t try to justify “where do all these enemies come from” given the scale of slaughter and genocide the players put forward wherever they go. You just have to accept it, and that’s true whether it’s talking about Scarlet, Zhaitan, Kralkatorrik/Jormag (how many Shatterers and Claws have been killed since the game’s launch?), or those bandits in Queensdale that pour out by the dozens each five minutes to attack a farm.

^

Some people are just looking for excuses to rant against the game.

If you’re going to have to rail against Scarlet and her resources, how about complaining about how mobs just spawn out of thin air, or how Shat/Teq/Claw keep coming back even though we killed them.

Those events aren’t part of the living story and Scarlet is

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Posted by: Syryn.7591

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Where do the Asurans get theirs? Where does the pact get theirs for the endless destructions over and over again in Orr? Where do the farmers in Queensdale continuously pull their hay from when the event is constantly failed and they’re all burned? Come to think of it where does a deer hide a longbow to give to you after you kill it? How do you harvest a blue dye from a carrot?

You can dismiss these all as not being a part of the living story but honestly they’re part of the every day game so they hold just as much meaning if not more than the LS does considering they’ll still be happening long after Scarlet is gone.

If you’re going to start bringing up these “inconsistencies” you might as well bring them all up. It’s a game, stop trying to make EVERYTHING make sense, the world doesn’t actually exist, they can take whichever liberties they want.

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Posted by: seacanari.4583

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Lets just leave this at a final point:
Guildwars 2 logic…

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Posted by: Xiahou Mao.9701

Xiahou Mao.9701

I think some people are confusing story elements and gameplay elements. I realize that enemies respawn and thus there are an “infinite” amount of them, or that dungeons are repeatable so we blew up thousands of molten facilities, but those are gameplay elements.

Story elements are things like, we destroyed scarlets reason for the krait helping her, why are they still helping her? we blew up the factories that make the airships and the molten weapons, why are they still being used in later stories?

The story is supposed to progress in a logical fashion. Sure there are gameplay elements to consider, but the story itself should still be logical.

Is it really that hard to find logic?

The Molten Weapon Facilities were destroyed, yes, but not until they’d been in operation for several months. We’ve already determined from the dialogue with Marjory and Kasmeer that real time and game time are equivalent for the living story, as they mentioned the Molten Alliance being formed ‘a year ago’. There were several months between the first appearance of the Molten Alliance and the time we finally got into their facility to destroy it. That’s a decent-sized weapons stockpile.

We attacked the airship factory in Twilight’s Arbour, yes. But there’s two points about that. First, how long was it in operation before we found it and shut it down? And two, the likely more important point, there were Aetherblade airships before that factory. Whether they’re simply stealing more from the Pact, or they’ve got another factory somewhere else producing them, we don’t know. Shutting down the one factory in TA would hurt Scarlet, but that doesn’t mean it cripples her.

And for the Krait, yeah, we foiled Scarlet’s plans at the Tower of Nightmares and killed their prophet. So why are they still following her? Well, she delivered them their prophet, the Toxic Hybrid, and.. we went and killed it. Don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, they want revenge now? I’m not sure what kind of world you’re living in where you’d think that the Krait would just shrug off the death of their prophet and give up, going back to what they were doing before. Scarlet provided them with something very important to their culture, and we took it away from them. If anything they should be even more fanatical as followers now. It’s a far cry from the complaining Dredge and Flame Legion captives from Flame and Frost, the Krait society would be going all-in for bloody vengeance against the heretics.

There’s logic to be had. The only question is, how much effort are you actually putting in looking for it? Do you have a vested interest in perceiving things to be illogical, for some reason?

If people’s viewpoints on these stories is going to be “when the players win, the enemies need to get weaker”, then that implies that either there can never be a strong, world-threatening enemy to face in the living story, or that weeks and months of events have to be skewed so that players winning becomes physically impossible. “Well, here’s the Molten Facility dungeon, but since Scarlet is going to need more Molten weapons later on, the Berserker and Firestorm at the end will fully heal themselves whenever they reach 50% health” “It’s time to raid Twilight Arbour to shut down the airship factory, but when the Clockheart is reduced to 0 HP it will explode in an undodgeable blast that instantly kills the players, ending the dungeon without any rewards”

Personally, I’d rather have the option for a short-term victory and accept that the enemy’s strength may still increase for the sake of a good story.

(cue complaints that this isn’t a good story)

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Posted by: Psientist.6437

Psientist.6437

People keep tossing stuff into the Mystic Forge…I believe the Marionette was completely made of rare greatswords.

Such a scenario would be lore rational and low dissonant design, with a considerable chance of monetized collapse.

Makes my ears tingle

Xiahou Mao.9701,

I second you response. We should also assume crafting is as accessible to the NPC races as it is to we the hero. As heroes, we can ascend the limits of crafting and craft the kitten out of ascending piles of mats, but being well armed is a Tyrian’s nature.

I think many of the responses demonstrate how difficult it is to direct the Tyrian story. We see the development team describe the Living Story as a tv serial; making Tyria the set and us actors. Fantasy rpg selects for ‘anyone can be president’ and theme park mmo worlds select for ‘everyone gets to be president’. Very difficult to harmonize the two.

“No! You can’t eat the ones that talk!
They’re special! They got aspirations.”
Finn the human

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Posted by: Pecto.8914

Pecto.8914

I think people are forgetting an important thing : this is a videogame. Not everything’s going to make sense or be lore-friendly, especially if you stop at every little details. For exemple, I could ask : how is it possible that the the Flame Legion still exists when we, the players, probably killed millions of them together over the course of the game ?

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Posted by: Palador.2170

Palador.2170

If people’s viewpoints on these stories is going to be “when the players win, the enemies need to get weaker”, then that implies that either there can never be a strong, world-threatening enemy to face in the living story, or that weeks and months of events have to be skewed so that players winning becomes physically impossible. “Well, here’s the Molten Facility dungeon, but since Scarlet is going to need more Molten weapons later on, the Berserker and Firestorm at the end will fully heal themselves whenever they reach 50% health” “It’s time to raid Twilight Arbour to shut down the airship factory, but when the Clockheart is reduced to 0 HP it will explode in an undodgeable blast that instantly kills the players, ending the dungeon without any rewards”

Not at all.

All they need to do is to give a good reason why they’re not getting weaker. It doesn’t even have to be played out (though the old “Show don’t tell” should be kept in mind). Just make the reasons clear WITHIN the story. Make those elements carry weight beyond themselves, so they’re reflected within the story.

In the Molten Facility, they could have included an area where you found empty shipping containers and some dolyaks. Maybe a pile of papers telling how many of each weapon had been sent out to storage from that particular facility within the last week. Bang, foreshadowing that this isn’t over and a reason for her to still have access to all this stuff later.

Have a character ask “Where is she getting all her raw materials from?”, or “Where is she building these new ships?” Then, when it’s revealed that she’s messing around in the mists, have someone discover a lab where they’ve been experimenting with entering the mists. Charts and notes on all the small areas they’ve found, and either strip mined or turned into a factory. Maybe even let you get into one and wreck it, but you know there’s others out there that you can’t get to. Now you know where she’s been hiding her remaining forces and supplies, and why she’s not running out of weapons or airships.

All these bad plot elements could have been good plot elements with a bit more work, but it’s far too late now. If they try to explain it now, it will look like the last minute, desperate retcon that it is. At this point, it’s better to just move past this story, and hope they’ve learned from their mistakes.

Many, many mistakes.

Sarcasm, delivered with a
delicate, brick-like subtlety.

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Posted by: ThiBash.5634

ThiBash.5634

I can work around the fact that there have to be way more enemies than is realistic because of the number of players.

However, we raided no less than 3(!) aetherblade refuges, we shut down the molten alliance and we took down that big tree of hers. And we’ve been destroying watchwork for months. And yet she spews out enemies as if we never hit anything.

Where are all the other facilities then hmm?

Scarlet is SUCH a mary sue, and despite Anet’s promises that we would end up liking the story…it’s still a moronic character.

If you can read this then it is proof that ArenaNet’s moderators just, kind and fair.

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Posted by: Faowri.4159

Faowri.4159

ITT: People acting like scarlet is the first video game villain to have plot breaking unlimited source of resources.

If Kralkatorik stopped sending the Shatterer to fight us every 3 hours, and just kept the new ones in reserve for a week, he would have 56 dragons, which I’m pretty sure could wreck most of ascalon. Same for Jormag and the Claw. The population of bandits and pirates in the human territory would be enough to completely overflow any city by sheer volume.

Are they plot holes. Sort of. Are they bad writing? No. They’re handwaves done because it makes for better gameplay. Reduce it to the degree that makes sense for you, and call that lore. Is scarlet still a little over the top? Yeah, but not nearly as bad as you people are making her out to be

You’re still confusing game mechanics for writing.

We get multiple shatterers because they are a core boss and they need to repeat themselves so that everyone can play = game mechanic. Without having the shatterer and other similar world bosses recur, not everybody could have a go at them nor could they be part of the cyclical event system.

Scarlet has lots of resources because reasons = bad writing. There are plenty of other ways in which the living world story could have been written that did not require her to be able to pull unreasonable resources out of her behind, even after her alliances have collapsed. I mean, the players destroying key resources could have been part of the plot, maybe forcing her hand in a desperate move . . .

But nope. She’s Scarlet and perfect, therefore it’s all according to plan XP but the alliances still work for her even after we smash them so the impact we’ve had on any of her plans has been zero, unreasonably so.

Also, I hate the “But other villains are just as badly written” excuse. Other bad writing does not justify more bad writing.

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Posted by: Kuro Zetsumei.1397

Kuro Zetsumei.1397

I can work around the fact that there have to be way more enemies than is realistic because of the number of players.

However, we raided no less than 3(!) aetherblade refuges, we shut down the molten alliance and we took down that big tree of hers. And we’ve been destroying watchwork for months. And yet she spews out enemies as if we never hit anything.

Where are all the other facilities then hmm?

Scarlet is SUCH a mary sue, and despite Anet’s promises that we would end up liking the story…it’s still a moronic character.

1. you confuse game mechanics for actual writing, it wouldn’t be fun to fight a battle with the Marionette when there’s 300 players and 20 clockwork contraptions trying to make their way to the portals now would it? think before you post.

2. I dont recall the story arch finishing yet? or are you one of those people that can predict the future.. you know like that guy.. what was his name again.. oh yeah! Micheal mac doesn’t exist.

3. we shutdown the alliances? WHEN!? I don’t recall beating factions in a battle now also magically makes them disband!

sorry but I’m really getting tired of these posts made for nothing but trying to sprout negativity, you really lack facts and common knowledge if this is how you actually see things.

Sure Scarlet isn’t the most amazing character, but that doesn’t automatically mean the rest is also poorly done, let alone people seeming to be unaware of this being an MMO.