Guild Wars 2

After this whole battle of lions arch think will we get to have lions arch back?

Without a doubt, but it may be a while before it looks pretty again. I made a post in another thread about my hopes for Lion’s Arch though.

[Edit]: Here’s the post in question.

Vexander.9850:

I’d like for Lion’s Arch to return better than it was before, perhaps as a result of the Captain’s Council disbanding and reforming as a Senate to rule Lion’s Arch, and the Council itself being replaced by one comprised of the leaders of the major nations of Tyria. With influence in the city greater than before, the five nations send supplies, workers, and so forth to rebuild Lion’s Arch better than before.

You see human influence in the construction of its buildings and stonework. You see Sylvari influence in the growth of trees and a small park acting as a, ‘Sylvari District,’ all of which cleanse away the lingering effects of the Miasma. Charr influence comes in its fortress, with new siege weapons, acting as the Black Citadel Embassy. Asura influence comes in with the Asura Gate hub, of course, with a research district housing a representative of the Arcane Council, devoted to studying Scarlet’s work and whatever else they find. Lastly, Norn Influence comes in the form of monuments and a district that functions for social gatherings, parties, games, and activities.

Make Lion’s Arch everyone’s city, a melting pot, but one that looks better than shipwrecked, rotting wood and ancient crumbling stone. Also, for the love of all that is holy, do NOT put the Trading Post and Bank further apart than what we have in Divinity’s Reach. Keep the crafting stations and Mystic Forge really close there as well. Ideally you’d have a circle of 10 buildings around the Mystic Forge, 8 of them for crafts, 1 for the bank, 1 for the trading post.

Vexander.9850:

Without a doubt, but it may be a while before it looks pretty again. I made a post in another thread about my hopes for Lion’s Arch though.

Okay thanks

I hope not. Otherwise what was the point of the living story, if nothing was affected? No one we knew died, the town that got attacked was just rebuilt, there was no consequence for a years worth of story if at the end of it all that great big reset button gets pressed and everything goes back to how it was.

I hope they leave Lion’s Arch ruined and rename it the ruins of lion’s arch instead.

Ema.4953:

I hope not. Otherwise what was the point of the living story, if nothing was affected? No one we knew died, the town that got attacked was just rebuilt, there was no consequence for a years worth of story if at the end of it all that great big reset button gets pressed and everything goes back to how it was.

I hope they leave Lion’s Arch ruined and rename it the ruins of lion’s arch instead.

Oh…there was a consequence for a year of living story, alright…just not anything in game…

Ema.4953:

I hope not. Otherwise what was the point of the living story, if nothing was affected? No one we knew died, the town that got attacked was just rebuilt, there was no consequence for a years worth of story if at the end of it all that great big reset button gets pressed and everything goes back to how it was.

I hope they leave Lion’s Arch ruined and rename it the ruins of lion’s arch instead.

You could see it that way, but personally, I can’t see Lion’s Arch not being rebuilt. I doubt it’ll be over night, in fact, it could take months of minor Living Story side content. Also, yes, some people from Lion’s Arch died. I believe an Asuran child known as, ‘Prune Face,’ is one of the casualties. She was just a generic, ‘Prodigy,’ NPC, but one of her dialogues with another child resulted in her being called, ‘Prune Face,’ which is why players remember her as that.

I think leaving Lion’s Arch in ruins would give them a great opportunity to influx some life into the 5 other major cities in the game.

Harak.8397:

I think leaving Lion’s Arch in ruins would give them a great opportunity to influx some life into the 5 other major cities in the game.

Exactly this. Better yet if they somewhat specialize them in a “soft” way. Like having the Polymock Arena in Rata Sum active, while in Divinity’s Reach you can re-watch any previous cutscene and story instance.

I think Lion’s Arch served its due in Guild Wars 2. I’d say it will become an questing/exploration locale with a memorial significance not befouled by any hub amenities. Maybe the giant drill will open up a tunnel that leads to another continent across the world.

I think we will see a full-on expansion following the Spring-2014 tournament (possibly first paid sequel add on, possibly a standalone in itself (refer to GW1) etc. etc.).

With two major (but IMO inferior to GW2) western MMOs being launched Spring & early Summer, Arenanet would not be the company I believe them to be if they propose that we continue to flock around the Traders Forum.

Four words should tell you all you need to know about whether LA will be rebuilt or not:

From Ruin, We Prosper.

why wouldn´t we? And don´t you think it would be rather pointless fighting to recapture when you just leave it there after victory?

Hopefully NOT. All that damage and destruction in the LS done for nothing? Leave it as a wasteland or make it a starting zone for a new race. Rebuilding it would show that this whole Ls was for nothing.

In the real world, towns and cities have been rebuilt after suffering major devastation, caused by wars, weather, or geological events. So it wouldn’t be unreasonable for LA to “rise from the ashes” in due course.

Surely with Asura know-how, helped by a bit of magic here and there, a new, (but probably different-looking) LA could once again become a thriving city?

No one’s arguing if it’s possible or not, but whether there is a point in doing so. Even strategically it is a bad idea. This city was attacked several times and destroyed twice by some force, which means it is an easy target.
I would be ok with it being rebuild into some kind of fortress against the dragons like Fort Trinity, but not for trade purposes (kamadan 2? no thx).

Go back to your capitals people!

If we’re not going to rebuild it, why are we having a battle over it?

Sometimes its good to have an easy target. It makes it safer for the other potential targets.

Manasa Devi.7958:

If we’re not going to rebuild it, why are we having a battle over it?

Because Scarlet is there.

I hope it lies in ruins for a bit, giving us new objectives for clean-up and rebuild. Then it is “rebuilt” but differently. It’s no longer a pirate/captain’s haven. It’s a Tyrian monument to cooperation and triumph. It should become a unified city with real buildings and not propped up ships. The results of working together (as seen from The Pact’s accomplishments in Orr) along with a new danger on the horizon, should be all the necessary motivation for joining forces to create a unified stronghold.

That’s what I’d like to see.

Morsus.5106:

Manasa Devi.7958:

If we’re not going to rebuild it, why are we having a battle over it?

Because Scarlet is there.

No, she’s not. We killed her and we’re still fighting.

SPOILER****

I think it comes down to the end cinematic’s result. There was a huge explosion after the ley line was breached. Now was this simply an explosion of light and relatively harmless, or was this an explosion with true force? It didn’t show the city at all (just the horizon) so which was it. If it had force then most of the city should be in complete ruin (much more than it is now) and thus it may become less hospitable.

Plus, even though it was Mordromoth that awoke, with a big hole in the ground it is very possible they could make this city become overrun by a constant barrage of destroyers from underground. Personally this is what I’m hoping for.

I would be surprised if we didn’t.

Not restoring Lion’s Arch would mean rewriting six or so personal story chapters and would also require the modification of lots of dynamic events, renown hearts and locations all over Tyria (removal of Lionguard NPCs and so on).

Invictus.1503:

SPOILER****

I think it comes down to the end cinematic’s result. There was a huge explosion after the ley line was breached. Now was this simply an explosion of light and relatively harmless, or was this an explosion with true force? It didn’t show the city at all (just the horizon) so which was it. If it had force then most of the city should be in complete ruin (much more than it is now) and thus it may become less hospitable.

Plus, even though it was Mordromoth that awoke, with a big hole in the ground it is very possible they could make this city become overrun by a constant barrage of destroyers from underground. Personally this is what I’m hoping for.

I didn’t see any explosion, just a static pulse discharge. So all Scarlet did was run an electric current through the leyline and Modremoth lost HBO. Now he’s kittened.

Yes, go back to each race’s capital. Let’s segregate the community, each to their own kind.

Oulov.7913:

Hopefully NOT. All that damage and destruction in the LS done for nothing? Leave it as a wasteland or make it a starting zone for a new race. Rebuilding it would show that this whole Ls was for nothing.

No, rebuilding it as exactly the same LA would. But a completely new LA? That’s the Living Story’s ideal.

The zone may very well become the center of Mordremoth’s corruption and overrun by all sorts of his minions.

I’d like that.

That’s why we were told to save all those blade shards… LA needs some easy access building material…

As others have said, it would be stupid for us to retake LA and drive scarlet and her forces out if we were just going to leave it a ruin. Especially since it is a prime area for a city and a strategic/convenient port area. Why would any society want to lose a central hub like that.

That being said, I hope it is rebuilt over time and not just instantly full and repaired. I hope that happens over time like when the Lion Statue was rebuilt. Only with LA it is an entire city so it should take much longer.

jheryn.8390:

As others have said, it would be stupid for us to retake LA and drive scarlet and her forces out if we were just going to leave it a ruin. Especially since it is a prime area for a city and a strategic/convenient port area. Why would any society want to lose a central hub like that.

That being said, I hope it is rebuilt over time and not just instantly full and repaired. I hope that happens over time like when the Lion Statue was rebuilt. Only with LA it is an entire city so it should take much longer.

The Lion Statue took too long in my opinion, but it was a minor thing so I was willing to accept it. Personally I’m hoping that, story-wise, the leaders of the 5 other Nations will help rebuild Lion’s Arch in returned for increased influence in the city’s politics and such. The Captain’s Council failed to protect the city, to heed the warnings, so I think its only right that the people of Lion’s Arch want new leadership, though by the same token, I don’t think we’d just see the Captain’s Council disappear either. No doubt it would remain in some kind of political position, but still.

If the five nations all contribute to the reconstruction, it can go down much more swiftly.

zMajc.4659:

The zone may very well become the center of Mordremoth’s corruption and overrun by all sorts of his minions.

I’d like that.

It is likely that Modremoth and minions will center around Magus Falls with maybe some spillover close to Rata Sum. So if anything it’s highly unlikely that Lion’s Arch will be a target. Lion’s Arch was only a target because of the ley line intersection.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mordremoth

I think Lion’s Arch will be back in the next update. It will of course look quite different, but I believe all the services will at least be back. I quite loved how this happened. It gave this feeling that no where in the game is it completely safe and unchanging, but the world continues no matter what you do.

It should be rebuilt (slowly) to incorporate wreckage from the Breachmaker, Aetherblade airships, etc. Send all the refugees home and close the camps.

Ruined stone structures should either stay as ruins or be cleared away.

Naevius.3185:

It should be rebuilt (slowly) to incorporate wreckage from the Breachmaker, Aetherblade airships, etc. Send all the refugees home and close the camps.

Ruined stone structures should either stay as ruins or be cleared away.

Ugh, please, no more, ‘City built of Wreckage.’ That’s the one thing I always hated about Lion’s Arch. I get -why- it was a city of wrecks before, but now that it has to rebuild, it can be so much more. I’ll be sorely disappointed if A.net misses this chance to transform Lion’s Arch into an actual city.

Vexander.9850:

Naevius.3185:

It should be rebuilt (slowly) to incorporate wreckage from the Breachmaker, Aetherblade airships, etc. Send all the refugees home and close the camps.

Ruined stone structures should either stay as ruins or be cleared away.

Ugh, please, no more, ‘City built of Wreckage.’ That’s the one thing I always hated about Lion’s Arch. I get -why- it was a city of wrecks before, but now that it has to rebuild, it can be so much more. I’ll be sorely disappointed if A.net misses this chance to transform Lion’s Arch into an actual city.

I agree. The Lion’s Arch we know felt pretty banged up already and you couldn’t sit down anywhere for fear of splinters and rusty nails. So the best thing to do would be to level it and then rebuilding it with new wood instead of scavenging from junk.

They can keep the nautical style, but it should be build to a more pristine condition; not some cobbled together mess from a junkyard.

Just look at the loading screen. That is a Lion’s Arch which keeps to the nautical theme but looks like new!!

I only hope to implement the hole left by the drill, They dont need to put anything in it, no mobs, no stuff… just a big deep hole in the sea floor(where the drill is right now)

I think it would be interesting if they never rebuild it where it is now. It’s quite possible that the land is too damaged. After all, a big kittened monster drill just hit a ley line nexus, and we don’t know all the ramifications of the release of energy yet.

For all we know, the ruins of LA might rise from the harbor and we get the little lion statues back.

In any case, I would be disappointed if they rebuilt it too fast. It’s just not right that you get an update and the city is just there all of a sudden.

I think that LA will come back, but it will be redesigned, and that’s a good thing. LA was a pretty cool place, but people used a tiny fraction of it. Perhaps with a redesign they could make it the player pathing flow a little easier or add some new features like guild halls.

In terms of story, it would be smart if they staggered the rebuilding of LA over a few patches to give the rebuilding a sense of time and I think we might see that happen.

I say we nuke the rest and build a Disneyland on top. Or maybe more like Universal studios and each race get’s their own little island.

I think we will, but I also think many other things will start changing

Stone.6751:

In terms of story, it would be smart if they staggered the rebuilding of LA over a few patches to give the rebuilding a sense of time and I think we might see that happen.

This is exactly what they did with the new lighthouse and the lion statue before, so they’ll probably do something like that.

Lions Arch has always been there, and probably always will. Its changed a lot, been ruined and rebuilt before. One key factor above and beyond it being a historical symbol of perseverance, its PRIME real estate. Its central to the whole continent and the best seaport location. 3 words- location, location, location…

If they rebuild it I hope it involves players gathering resources(Lumber, metal maybe some alchemical thing to make concrete) to do so. But I’d also be alright with it coming back habitable, but lacking some or many of the amenities it used to have.

They’ll bring LA back and I’m with the others that it should be redesigned to look more like a city instead of a pirate mockery of Cantha.

Since ANet proved that the Mystic Toilet can be moved by the people, they should establish a Mystic Toilet in each capitol to help reduce the lag that LA suffered.

Leave everything else in LA (Fractals, Southsun access, Mist Gates, etc.), but give us Mystic Toilets in our home cities. It is the only reason I went to LA in the first place.

One simple question answers this. What makes Anet more money?

I suspect they will push us to our home instances for everything but make that airship available for anyone with cash.

From a realistic perspective, there is no good reason to rebuild the city.

The sea-based trade lanes that were the original catalyst for the city’s construction are gone now, so are thousands upon thousands of the people who lived there.

The structures themselves are destroyed or damaged to the point where cleanup and reconstruction would be more expensive than simply starting anew somewhere else.

The city defenses lie in ruin, which means the monsters, creatures, and dragon minions will easily be able to get into the area and overwhelm any reclamation efforts.

In the real world, Lion’s Arch would be abandoned.

I think it would be funny if anet brought back LA just like it was like nothing happened.

What I really wish anet would do is to finally give us our guild halls. With LA gone, now is the best time to release this update. It should be a new tab with in the guild tab where you click it and you get instantly ported to the mists where your guild hall resides just like wvw and edge of mist. The guild hall would be the best convieneince for all crafting trading and merchant needs. Its the best way to go to on the fly without wp fees.

Aveneo.2068:

I didn’t see any explosion, just a static pulse discharge. So all Scarlet did was run an electric current through the leyline and Modremoth lost HBO. Now he’s kittened.

Best explanation for an Elder Dragon rising ever.

LA was already rebuilt after the rise of Zhaitan and will be rebuilt again, nothing else makes sense since it’s home to many people especially merchants and “sea people”. How and how long will take is another story! Saying “boo what’s the point” is just selfish and unrealistic.

mtpelion.4562:

In the real world, Lion’s Arch would be abandoned.

No way! There’s no place with a better strategic position in Tyria. It’s not coincidence that LA is exactly there.

Tumult.2578:

One simple question answers this. What makes Anet more money?

I suspect they will push us to our home instances for everything but make that airship available for anyone with cash.

Personally I didn’t like the airship and I hope (and suspect) the idea flopped with the playerbase. I visited it once when I got a temporary pass in a drop. Then threw away any passes I got afterward.

As for LA, I would be very surprised if they didn’t rebuild it. I really hope they do. Central to the map. Two nice mid-level zones just north and south of the city. Crafting stations, the mystic toilet, bank and trading post all fairly close to each other (but I hope this is improved even further in next generationLA…LA 2.0 or 3.0?)

But I hope they make LA much more majestic than before. I mean it was basically the main hub in the game. But the most ramshackle. It should be the grandest and most diverse. And one thing this invasion is making all the more obvious. Wood burns. Lots of wood means lots to burn. I’m tired of falling through holes in bridges.

I hope the new LA has much more stone and metal. Like Divinity’s Reach. Now that’s a beautiful city!