Guild Wars 2

Just curious why Kasmeer was having a hiccup-fit at the end? What is this supposed to achieve? and why can’t something else achieve the same thing?

It’s harkening back to the Marionette event (iirc), where Kasmeer admits that she gets hiccups when she’s nervous or anxious.

The ridicle is that Anet puts so many pointlights on so much useless details when the whole lore, animation, and plot are a total fail.
Do you think that detail is going to make the character more realistic? To give it more deepness? Really?

So are they actually paying a person who applied and studied to do this mansion?

Kasmeer has admitted that she gets hiccups when she is nervous or scared- she has done this since she was a child and it irritates her because she feels it makes her look like a child.
Marjory told her she thinks it is adorable during the scene at the Priory camp in the last update.

I thought it was quite touching how, despite how nervous she was, she went completely ham on Scarlet.

It serves the purpose of showing you the characters state of mind during the fight

Kasmeer clearly gets an invisible Enrage buff when Marjory’s hurt since she stops hiccuping.

I thought the hiccups were a clever way to show Kas’s state of mind too, especially when it can be so hard to convey otherwise with expressionless character models and potentially iffy voice acting. IMHO Janell Cox (Kasmeer’s voice actress) did a decent job here.

I was wondering the same thing when she started hiccuping. Was she drunk? Did they have a celebration in a cutscene that I had missed? The reference to her stating she gets hiccups when scared from way back was totally lost on me.

If I had written down everything NPCs had said during the LS and memorised it, I might have got it.

chemiclord.3978:

It’s harkening back to the Marionette event (iirc), where Kasmeer admits that she gets hiccups when she’s nervous or anxious.

She did this in the Tower of Nightmares. I don’t know if there’s an earlier reference.

Luke.4562:

The ridicle is that Anet puts so many pointlights on so much useless details when the whole lore, animation, and plot are a total fail.
Do you think that detail is going to make the character more realistic? To give it more deepness? Really?

So are they actually paying a person who applied and studied to do this mansion?

Overarching plot is important. Details make me care. Buffy slays vampires. Lots of vampires. Cool. But I care more about the character. Things that make you “you” matter in creating a textured character. Are hiccups the be all, end all? No. But I appreciate the consistency in developing a character.

(A “Saved by the Bell” reference didn’t fly the other day, so I realized I’m old-ish. “Buffy: The Vampire Slayer” is a show from the 90’s. This concludes today’s history lesson.)

I think it’s a pretty good detail, I’m glad they included it. It gives the character more personality, and gives the scene more weight in my opinion.

ExAstris.8527:

Luke.4562:

The ridicle is that Anet puts so many pointlights on so much useless details when the whole lore, animation, and plot are a total fail.
Do you think that detail is going to make the character more realistic? To give it more deepness? Really?

So are they actually paying a person who applied and studied to do this mansion?

Overarching plot is important. Details make me care. Buffy slays vampires. Lots of vampires. Cool. But I care more about the character. Things that make you “you” matter in creating a textured character. Are hiccups the be all, end all? No. But I appreciate the consistency in developing a character.

(A “Saved by the Bell” reference didn’t fly the other day, so I realized I’m old-ish. “Buffy: The Vampire Slayer” is a show from the 90’s. This concludes today’s history lesson.)

The plot is missing so many details that have been questions by numerous people across multiple threads and releases and we are wasting time with hiccups. You can skip the reveal of an Elder Dragon but you can’t skip the dialogue of these four characters (who have so little importance in the overall story it really bugs me they are constantly taking the spotlight). That’s so backwards it’s not even funny.

If the overall plot was solid and the details fleshed out, maybe then we can have trivial things like hiccups, but come on. We know more about Kasmeer’s biological functions than we do about why Scarlet’s armies are still in Lion’s Arch and following her despite failures (a dev post on the forums doesn’t count, it has to be in the game) or emphasising that they are splinter groups rather than the full factions. We see more about their intimate relationship than we see of the three orders and their members (which includes most players) and the role they are playing in the fight for Lion’s Arch (their leadership, who was tasked with certain roles etc). What’s more important for understanding this plot and Tyria as a living breathing world, the fact that Kasmeer has hiccups when she’s nervous or exploring in greater detail why Scarlet’s alliances formed and how they are viewed by the factions they came from? No stories change when you know Kasmeer has hiccups, the politics of the Flame Legion and their relevance to the other three Legions is very relevant when you wonder how the dredge alliance impacts on them and the possibility of molten technology being used by the entire Flame Legion.

Maybe Scarlet would have been better received and the big events shaping Tyria would have been more compelling for players if they had been treated as important as developing four characters who were wedged into the story and steal the show during the final encounter. These characters feel more like fan service (awe how cute, she has hiccups) than good story telling and world building.

The story became so tightly focused on these four characters that the details outside of their group (which is most of the story up until now) felt like they became secondary considerations. I know they think that the story didn’t choose one (characters) or another (story and lore) but I have to disagree, the former felt like it overshadowed everything else.

Now that they’ve done what they set out to do (introduce these four characters) I really hope the future content only uses them when it’s most relevant and can allow them to become part of the background, not front and centre.

Shiren.9532:

ExAstris.8527:

Luke.4562:

The ridicle is that Anet puts so many pointlights on so much useless details when the whole lore, animation, and plot are a total fail.
Do you think that detail is going to make the character more realistic? To give it more deepness? Really?

So are they actually paying a person who applied and studied to do this mansion?

Overarching plot is important. Details make me care. Buffy slays vampires. Lots of vampires. Cool. But I care more about the character. Things that make you “you” matter in creating a textured character. Are hiccups the be all, end all? No. But I appreciate the consistency in developing a character.

(A “Saved by the Bell” reference didn’t fly the other day, so I realized I’m old-ish. “Buffy: The Vampire Slayer” is a show from the 90’s. This concludes today’s history lesson.)

The plot is missing so many details that have been questions by numerous people across multiple threads and releases and we are wasting time with hiccups. You can skip the reveal of an Elder Dragon but you can’t skip the dialogue of these four characters (who have so little importance in the overall story it really bugs me they are constantly taking the spotlight). That’s so backwards it’s not even funny.

If the overall plot was solid and the details fleshed out, maybe then we can have trivial things like hiccups, but come on. We know more about Kasmeer’s biological functions than we do about why Scarlet’s armies are still in Lion’s Arch and following her despite failures (a dev post on the forums doesn’t count, it has to be in the game) or emphasising that they are splinter groups rather than the full factions. We see more about their intimate relationship than we see of the three orders and their members (which includes most players) and the role they are playing in the fight for Lion’s Arch (their leadership, who was tasked with certain roles etc). What’s more important for understanding this plot and Tyria as a living breathing world, the fact that Kasmeer has hiccups when she’s nervous or exploring in greater detail why Scarlet’s alliances formed and how they are viewed by the factions they came from? No stories change when you know Kasmeer has hiccups, the politics of the Flame Legion and their relevance to the other three Legions is very relevant when you wonder how the dredge alliance impacts on them and the possibility of molten technology being used by the entire Flame Legion.

Maybe Scarlet would have been better received and the big events shaping Tyria would have been more compelling for players if they had been treated as important as developing four characters who were wedged into the story and steal the show during the final encounter. These characters feel more like fan service (awe how cute, she has hiccups) than good story telling and world building.

The story became so tightly focused on these four characters that the details outside of their group (which is most of the story up until now) felt like they became secondary considerations. I know they think that the story didn’t choose one (characters) or another (story and lore) but I have to disagree, the former felt like it overshadowed everything else.

Now that they’ve done what they set out to do (introduce these four characters) I really hope the future content only uses them when it’s most relevant and can allow them to become part of the background, not front and centre.

There is plot and there is sub- plot do not confuse the two.
these characters have been there throughout various parts of the main plot- they are your friends.
Knowing personal details about them makes your character into a person not a door.

As for the main plot- we do know why Scarlet"s armies are still in LA- the escape from LA lasted only one hour in real time, the battle for LA is still going on now from their perspective.
What they will do once they find out Scarlet is dead we will only see once this story is actually finished.

We also know how the Molten Alliance impacts on the Flame Legion. We know the Flame Legion does not have access to their tech -yet. They might later, or they might be killed on sight.
Same with the other alliances.
We know they are splinter groups it is hardly a mystery- we know this because we can clearly see in game that the regular Flame Legion/ Dredge, Krait/ Nightmare court are still around.

We do know what the Orders are doing- they have the camps outside of LA and was staging the rally to muster the armies.

The LS is not focused around these characters- rather they are the inner circle around you the Player character and the main plot is the events that move you all.

A story can hardly happen in a vacuum occupied by one player character and a horde of monsters.

I thought it was a nice touch. I had forgotten about the dialog in previous content where she talked about her hiccup-fits but I just naturally assumed that it was due to her being nervous and/or scared. Heck, there are other references in movies, stories, etc (outside of GW2), where this happens to characters too. It’s not like this little tidbit is not without precedent.

I think this is a lame detail. There is so much info missing, Such as Mai Trin what happened to her. What’s Caithes secret? There are so many missing elements to this story yet we get hiccups… WTF?!

Honestly, when I heard those hiccups for the first time, I bursted out with laugh.
Totally immerse breaking, made me laugh in a second. That was supposed to be that “oh no” drama part, but hiccups really instaggibed it

NYG.2568:

I think this is a lame detail. There is so much info missing, Such as Mai Trin what happened to her. What’s Caithes secret? There are so many missing elements to this story yet we get hiccups… WTF?!

Apparently you think a minor detail is the entire LS for some reason.

This LS was the final battle to save LA, wait for the closing LS for closure. o.O

I understand they included the detail as a way to increase character depth, but its just one more way of making Kas a cute little Barbie doll. Seriously, did you get a good look at those boobs in the cut scene? It’s all a bit much.

Love makes you do the wacky.

Doggie.3184:

NYG.2568:

I think this is a lame detail. There is so much info missing, Such as Mai Trin what happened to her. What’s Caithes secret? There are so many missing elements to this story yet we get hiccups… WTF?!

Apparently you think a minor detail is the entire LS for some reason.

This LS was the final battle to save LA, wait for the closing LS for closure. o.O

I do not get this response…Why focus on a detail such as these hiccups? When there are so many unanswered questions(plot holes). This was the end to this living story with a short epilogue coming. Are you suggesting all these answers will come with that?

NYG.2568:

Doggie.3184:

NYG.2568:

I think this is a lame detail. There is so much info missing, Such as Mai Trin what happened to her. What’s Caithes secret? There are so many missing elements to this story yet we get hiccups… WTF?!

Apparently you think a minor detail is the entire LS for some reason.

This LS was the final battle to save LA, wait for the closing LS for closure. o.O

I do not get this response…Why focus on a detail such as these hiccups? When there are so many unanswered questions(plot holes). This was the end to this living story with a short epilogue coming. Are you suggesting all these answers will come with that?

The fact that there is a wrap up at all means there is SOMETHING more, at least. It’s probably best to wait and see the actual final part before we get up in arms about loose ends.

NYG.2568:

I do not get this response…Why focus on a detail such as these hiccups? When there are so many unanswered questions(plot holes). This was the end to this living story with a short epilogue coming. Are you suggesting all these answers will come with that?

It’s the end of this season of the living story. There is more to come, and like most things that have multiple seasons, it’s likely to pick up where it left off. What reason do you have to think that Mai Trin or Caithe will have no part in the second season? In fact I’d be more upset if after introducing all these characters and mysteries, they played no part what-so-ever in the continuing story.

I thought at first the hiccups were going to be something resulting from that thorn stab she got in the Tower. That’s a very Chekhov Gun thing right there, that thorn has to have some story impact or it’s ridiculous to have put it in. But indeed, it’s just a piece of characterization that she hiccups. Hopefully the epilog will bring up the thorn, or at least give a touch of foreshadowing to its effect in Season Two.

On this part its so annoying, coupled with the fact you cant skip the cut scene, I have to take my head phones off! Considering the situation, ‘bottom burps’ would have been more appropriate, and funnier.