Guild Wars 2

Hello all,

I am one of those few people that does NOT run dungeons (I don’t like to rely on others) so a lot of my gold income is from farming harvesting nodes and events in cursed shore.

I usually purchase magic find buffs, karma buffs and I spend about $50 a month on gems to support my game developers.

So today I went to farm in cursed shore, and as typical I popped MF, Food, MF/Karma Buffs and started farming nodes and hanging about in Cursed Shore for events, such as Jorfast, Pentinent Camp, etc etc.

Only ONE event popped up in 30 minutes!!!! Usually there would be 3-4 events in this time and sometimes multiple events making it exciting, and interesting.

I would make about 2-3g an hour which I think is quite fair for the effort put in fighting mobs, res’ing people etc.

After numerous hours (3-4 hrs of testing this) I only made 40s an hour.

This now means a few things for me.

1. I am now lost in terms of finding a place to farm gold.
2. One of my favorite zones is now a boring place where there is literally no reason for me to go to. (I have all my orr gears, I don’t need Arah etc.)
3. I now won’t spend $50 on gems anymore, because I have no use for MF/Karma boosters.
4. My only option now is to PURCHASE gems for gold but for $50 I get 70 gold which is just absurd.
5. The materials I am now trying to farm for my legendary will sky rocket because not only are tier 6 matts going to be hard to get, they are going to be impossible to buy as well.
6. Legendary items are now going to be VERY difficult to get, punishing new players (such as me) while older players who were here before the nerfs have multiple legendaries because they farmed thousands of gold before the numerous nerfs. (I agree to the first few nerfs to Orr, but the last one is a killer.)
7. The loot we get from all these events are also terrible. I mean 3-4 greens, 1 rare from events that took 1-2 hrs to complete with a handful of people (such as temple events) are not worth doing.
8. Now people will say “go farm COF for gold”, but wait, you don’t have a feasible LFG tool implemented which is one reason why I get annoyed waiting around for others to find groups/play in groups. This annoys me to death because you spent time making arenas and sell tickets for profit, yet you don’t fix issues like this first.
9. Gems are too expensive, so if you nerf farming – then making it possible for me to buy more gold with the cash.
I am an honest player who does not buy illegal gold and such and I enjoy supporting the devs and the game, but at the moment I feel as though these nerfs have gone too far and I feel almost pushed to buy gems for gold. Isn’t my $50 a month enough for this game? If I am paying $50 a month to support Anet, god knows how much others with more money than me are paying.

At this stage, I am considering leaving the game because it no longer matches my tastes. Which is sad, considering I just loved being a “raider” in Orr.

Now there is no reason.

I would appreciate a Dev or someone from Anet to reply to me about this, as I didn’t even see any patch notes about it and silent nerfs are infuriating.

I can see a lot of people being upset by this and possibly playing less and buying less in the BL TP. This is sad because obviously, you are nerfing in game playing/winning and starting to push players to a BTW environment which is ridiculously expensive.

100% with u

they have nerfed shelter/panitent t6 mats already start to rise up

sure i dont gonna use 50$ for buy 10 t6 mats more chance i gonna unistall the game

this games start to be PAY TO PLAY like others

but like always no one from Anet gonna answer this post…..

This is the first day I have not played GW2 in 3 months and more than likely going to take a long break (possibly uninstall) because of this. I have already started looking up other mmo titles now where I only spend 12-15 a month and get full access to everything in the game and where gold is of little importance.

I feel really let down by this. They have basically isolated a huge part of the playing demographic that spent time in Ruins of Orr. The last thing I want to do is “flip” on the Trading Post, I want to play Guild Wars 2, not Trading Post 2.

Arenanet ???? Any news on this? Any patch notes for this nerf? First you made Cursed Shore very difficult with 1-shot Champions and numerous veterans (which was fine by me) to make gold farming/karma farming more difficult, but now you toned that back, nerfed loot drops, added diminishing returns and NOW you even removed events. Just a joke….please rename it to Bore Shore.

Your focus on profit and cash milking from fans of this game is now very evident. Your choice to make arenas + sell tickets instead of working for viable LFG and then nerfing of farming spots in order to boost gem for gold sales.

I am very disappointed in your companies actions, especially from someone like me who invests about $500-600 a year on your product (as stated $50 a month on gems to support Anet).

my compliments ANET

shelter/ penitent cant be farmed
temple events almost impossible to take

1 heavy bag rise to 4 silver each in 2 days from 2.50
pyle of crystalline 40s each rise in 2 days

and full of bots farming in CS

Okay, so, I didn’t realize this was intentional so I had created my own thread on it which I’ve deleted; I’ll just comment here instead.

This is exactly what was done with Guild Wars and I’m just not interested in dealing with that again.

Arenanet has created a game where the only real “end game” is grinding for prestige items. In Guild Wars, you had to grind forever in UW and FoW for globs and shards to get your shiny armor. Initially in GWEN the biggest addition was the reputation grinds. You even had to grind for achievements to get special prestige bonuses for this game.

But at every turn anybody who found a clever way to minimize the sometimes agonizing amount of time spent on these grinds was punished severely. Nerfs were handed out all over in the form of nerfed skills (which usually had serious consequences well beyond the intent) and pointlessly buffed MOBs (anybody remember what happened when you tried to vanquish a spot with a couple of Roaring Ethers in one spot who would two-shot entire parties if you made one little flagging error?)

So then Guild Wars 2 comes along. New story, “real” MMO feel and all that… but the game remains the same. A fun leveling experience and decent story, but no real end game to speak of. There’s the “living story”, sure, but let’s face it, what has it been so far except a few small quests and some silly farm events like the Instigator spawns?

And now this. More punishment for anybody who plays the game as ANET designed it.

Don’t have your Golden title? TOO BAD! ANET has decided you have to work ten times as hard for it as anybody who played by the original rules.

Don’t have a legendary? TOO BAD! ANET has decided you have 1/10 the odds as anybody who was able to farm it out of drops from the original rules.

I understand that games change. Especially MMOs. I played a Warlock for many, many years in WoW and saw it go from ridiculous, feardotting uber-god to helpless paper waif to glass cannon back to paper waif. It happens, that’s fine.

But ANET seems especially adept at mangling its own intentions and punishing its biggest boosters for its own errors.

I wanted to hate this game. I really did. After being frustrated again and again by EXACTLY this type of thing in Guild Wars I developed a very negative view of the whole experience and initially planned on completely skipping this game. But I changed my mind and tried it and surprised myself with how much I like it.

But this…. I’m right back to where I was initially. I just don’t even want to play anymore. I don’t want to play a game that punishes me and hurts me in relation to my cohorts who already were able to succeed simply because I played by the rules ANET created, the rules that allowed so many others to succeed.

I’m sorry. This is just the proverbial straw. This isn’t the first thing that’s annoyed me, but it’s going to be the last. I tolerated the laggy events, the bugs (I almost died not 30 minutes ago, in fact, becasue of the as-yet-unfixed bug where Necros have only about 1/3 the expected HP in a downed state) and I even tried to get over the utter BS that is the gem store and its bogus offerings. But, the fact is I have a Steam account and I get things from GoG and I can play a lot of games I know are good and will stay good and I don’t need this aggravation from something so trivial as a video game. I have money. I don’t need to keep playing your “free” game. I can play something good instead.

ANET, you’re great at coming up with ideas, but you’re absolutely terrible at implementing them and I’m done getting jerked around because of it. To those of you who will stick it out, more power to you, but I really just don’t need this crap anymore.

And, no, you can’t have my stuff, my guild will get it. I’m going to go finish Skyrim.

Give me a book while farming at shel/ pen/ jos.

I though its a bug , but they really nerfed it ?
I was waiting yday for 40 minutes penti/shelter didnt start , either today…
So only solution for gold farm is CoF repeatable farm ?
Game going pay to win ? Will i have to charge $ for gems to exchange for golds to get them ?

I used to have my warrior at cursed shores to do some occasional farming. I went there after being not going there for awhile, jogged down to shelter/penitent and it was completely deserted except for risen. An escort quest was dead nearby surrounded by multitudes of risen. After a while another player turned up and we got the escort restarted and then penitents reopened. Eventually a handful of other players turned up but the difference between now and when all the happy farmers were there was huge. I know a lot of people are farming in Southsun, but the changes to the events seems to have discouraged many. Considering this area could be considered part of endgame content, the Devs should be encouraging people to go there, not discouraging.

At the end, I pulled my warrior out again. Currently she is parked near an ori node for a daily harvest. :/

Yes, the events are on a much longer timer. So instead of starting say every 15-20 minutes they start maybe 45 -60 min depending on how many people are there.

Also before at Pentinent camp, when the walls were damaged the packheart event would start, however this event was totally removed as even with damaged walls, this event has not popped in two days of me farming (4-5 hrs worth).

I also have not seen the explorer events (lady goes awol with annoyed boyfriend) at shelter camp now for 2 days. So I am guessing this was removed also.

They have basically removed events that spawned lots of mobs and were easily aoe farmed.

At the moment people need to now traverse more of the map to fill in events for karma but if you want karma, you are better off taking a wvw zerg train. As for gold? You are now better off walking all of cursed shore and other ruins of orr areas and just farm mining/harvest nodes and do events along the way.

I noticed the nodes in Orr seem to respawn a lot faster, maybe 1-2 hrs so by the time I have completed farming all 3 zones in Orr, when I head back to Cursed shore the nodes are up again. Doing this has been a lot more boring, a lot more solo-ish but has given me 1-2 g an hour, which is still absurdly low, considering COF P1 can get people 5-6 g per hour.

I will need about 600-800 hours to farm enough gold to buy matts for my legendary. Considering my playtime so far on my account is about 300 hrs or so (in the last 3 months), this is going to take awhile.

A very sad state of the game. This can be fixed by adding in the packheart and other escort quests in cursed shore and lowering the timer a little to find a better medium.

Hopefully Arenanet(Anet) will read these threads.

Black Regent.5897:

Okay, so, I didn’t realize this was intentional so I had created my own thread on it which I’ve deleted; I’ll just comment here instead.

This is exactly what was done with Guild Wars and I’m just not interested in dealing with that again.

Arenanet has created a game where the only real “end game” is grinding for prestige items. In Guild Wars, you had to grind forever in UW and FoW for globs and shards to get your shiny armor. Initially in GWEN the biggest addition was the reputation grinds. You even had to grind for achievements to get special prestige bonuses for this game.

But at every turn anybody who found a clever way to minimize the sometimes agonizing amount of time spent on these grinds was punished severely. Nerfs were handed out all over in the form of nerfed skills (which usually had serious consequences well beyond the intent) and pointlessly buffed MOBs (anybody remember what happened when you tried to vanquish a spot with a couple of Roaring Ethers in one spot who would two-shot entire parties if you made one little flagging error?)

So then Guild Wars 2 comes along. New story, “real” MMO feel and all that… but the game remains the same. A fun leveling experience and decent story, but no real end game to speak of. There’s the “living story”, sure, but let’s face it, what has it been so far except a few small quests and some silly farm events like the Instigator spawns?

And now this. More punishment for anybody who plays the game as ANET designed it.

Don’t have your Golden title? TOO BAD! ANET has decided you have to work ten times as hard for it as anybody who played by the original rules.

Don’t have a legendary? TOO BAD! ANET has decided you have 1/10 the odds as anybody who was able to farm it out of drops from the original rules.

I understand that games change. Especially MMOs. I played a Warlock for many, many years in WoW and saw it go from ridiculous, feardotting uber-god to helpless paper waif to glass cannon back to paper waif. It happens, that’s fine.

But ANET seems especially adept at mangling its own intentions and punishing its biggest boosters for its own errors.

I wanted to hate this game. I really did. After being frustrated again and again by EXACTLY this type of thing in Guild Wars I developed a very negative view of the whole experience and initially planned on completely skipping this game. But I changed my mind and tried it and surprised myself with how much I like it.

But this…. I’m right back to where I was initially. I just don’t even want to play anymore. I don’t want to play a game that punishes me and hurts me in relation to my cohorts who already were able to succeed simply because I played by the rules ANET created, the rules that allowed so many others to succeed.

I’m sorry. This is just the proverbial straw. This isn’t the first thing that’s annoyed me, but it’s going to be the last. I tolerated the laggy events, the bugs (I almost died not 30 minutes ago, in fact, becasue of the as-yet-unfixed bug where Necros have only about 1/3 the expected HP in a downed state) and I even tried to get over the utter BS that is the gem store and its bogus offerings. But, the fact is I have a Steam account and I get things from GoG and I can play a lot of games I know are good and will stay good and I don’t need this aggravation from something so trivial as a video game. I have money. I don’t need to keep playing your “free” game. I can play something good instead.

ANET, you’re great at coming up with ideas, but you’re absolutely terrible at implementing them and I’m done getting jerked around because of it. To those of you who will stick it out, more power to you, but I really just don’t need this crap anymore.

And, no, you can’t have my stuff, my guild will get it. I’m going to go finish Skyrim.

I think you should have just sticked to creating a thread. Great post.

Just about all the counter-“arguments” many of the forum brown nosers will tell you are quite irrelevant, also.

Thers a simple explantion to this nerfs, Anet is lazy so instead of taking the time to find the boters on CS that farmed events they just nerf the event and kitten on the rest of the players that found fun in farming these.

Welcome to the club bro. I’ve been complaining about this ever since they started to make that first shelt/pen change of introducing champs.

Since then they have removed loot from spiders (hence why dust is so expensive, among other reasons) and increased the respawn timer.

There really isn’t anything for you to farm anymore other than cof1 and meta event chests.

Which is a real shame because this game was going great up until January. Lots of my friends have quit or don’t log in as frequently because of these nerfs (we are primarily farmers)

Mahedros.9103:

Thers a simple explantion to this nerfs, Anet is lazy so instead of taking the time to find the boters on CS that farmed events they just nerf the event and kitten on the rest of the players that found fun in farming these.

Not only that

Anet also doesn’t want players to be wealthy with in-game gold since that discourages the conversion of gems to gold, rewarding Anet with less money. Hardcore players (i.e. farmers who play for hours) aren’t profitable for Arenanet. Casual players are more than likely to spend real $, and by removing all avenues of getting a good amount of gold they’ll be able to squeeze more money out of them.

Aenema.4027:

Also before at Pentinent camp, when the walls were damaged the packheart event would start, however this event was totally removed as even with damaged walls, this event has not popped in two days of me farming (4-5 hrs worth).

I also have not seen the explorer events (lady goes awol with annoyed boyfriend) at shelter camp now for 2 days. So I am guessing this was removed also.

I was last in Orr on the 4th, and saw both the Packheart and Historian Fia events — Fia, twice. This was on FC.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Aenema.4027:

Also before at Pentinent camp, when the walls were damaged the packheart event would start, however this event was totally removed as even with damaged walls, this event has not popped in two days of me farming (4-5 hrs worth).

I also have not seen the explorer events (lady goes awol with annoyed boyfriend) at shelter camp now for 2 days. So I am guessing this was removed also.

I was last in Orr on the 4th, and saw both the Packheart and Historian Fia events — Fia, twice. This was on FC.

Yes, thats a couple of days ago. I haven’t seen this event on the 5th, 6th and now 7th my time. (Australia). If they still happen I guess they probably now only pop if the event was failed (all walls down), which I have never seen and possibly Historian pop circumstances have changed too. I am not really sure, but I used to see Fia pop 2-3 times an hour and now I haven’t seen it for 2 whole days of 5-6 hrs of farming.

Vol.5241:

Mahedros.9103:

Thers a simple explantion to this nerfs, Anet is lazy so instead of taking the time to find the boters on CS that farmed events they just nerf the event and kitten on the rest of the players that found fun in farming these.

Not only that

Anet also doesn’t want players to be wealthy with in-game gold since that discourages the conversion of gems to gold, rewarding Anet with less money. Hardcore players (i.e. farmers who play for hours) aren’t profitable for Arenanet. Casual players are more than likely to spend real $, and by removing all avenues of getting a good amount of gold they’ll be able to squeeze more money out of them.

The thing is, how much do they want to squeeze out of a gamer? I already spend $50 a month (and I am generous, albeit on a pension) to support my favorite mmo, and I am a casual/medium hardcore (:p) player. I worked out that if I wanted to purchase my Legendary outright, it would cost me $750. For that cash I prefer to go on a holiday in real life, or buy a stereo system for my car, or toys for my kids or a wedding ring for my wife which was stolen right off her hands.

Arenanet are making bucket loads from the cash shop because if a person like me is paying $50 a month, there are certainly crazy people out there blowing thousands a year. My $50 a month would usually get me 4-5 months on other “popular” mmos…

Not everyone wants to farm wvw all day for easy Karma, or run COF with a guild (lots of guildies get rich this way), or flip on the TP by buying out all the bloody rare dyes for 30g and relisting them all for 111g.

I could easily do all of these things in my game, but I have a specific playstyle and Anet is pushing me to do things I don’t want to do, to get items that aren’t even that good to begin with.

All I want Arenanet to understand is that farming is a fun pass time for people to gather up, get into groups and do something in common. I have met a lot of people in Orr just through farming “solo” and it is a lot less stressful than running dungeons, finding groups and spamming lfg on /map.

In my opinion, please make all events VERY hard, like real end game content. I love the excessive veteran spiders that kill everyone, or exploding chickens that cause wipes dozens of players but PLEASE make them drop loot, as I just walk away when I see these mobs now.

What is the point of me even showing up to these events now? What’s in it for me? It was worth doing before because the events spawned often enough that the other mobs that DO drop hear were worth farming in the same event. Now I see no reason to do an event that rarely pops and has mobs that drop nothing.

On a final note, I too have a friends list of “greys” with people who no longer log on. I initially thought it was a bug that my friends list didn’t work, but in fact my nephew, 2 real life friends and 4-5 in game friends no longer play gw2, all quitting it seems in the last 3-5 weeks.

I am now worried that this game will follow the tracks of Rift, Warhammer, Age of Conan and others that I have played, enjoyed but ultimately was muscled out of enjoyment by incompetent developer decisions.

I just spent an hour and a half running a circle around Malchor’s and CS doing mining nodes and looking for events.

I got to do:

1x Temple of Dwayna
1x Penitent (but only the lat 1:45 because I wasn’t nearby when it started)
1x Jofast’s (all but first wave)

There were four other spawned group events but nobody was around to do them.

Completed one event every 30 minutes. Whee.

On the other hand, I have a buttload of Cypress logs now….

On Fia: This event get’s bugged ultra quick. It’s been like that for months.

Yeah Fia has been bugged since release. After every reset she works for a few days but something happens and she doesn’t work until the next reset.

Whoa, just went to CS for the first time in a week and it is dead. Both in terms of players and events. I was there ~30 mins and nothing popped. The crazy changes to the events themselves since Feb were bad enough. Now to simply not have them running would seem to be a final nail. I guess it’s back to logging in for the daily, logging out, and hoping against hope they get a Chief Reality-testing Officer on board soon. GW2, even at launch, was one of the best games I’ve played. I’d love to be able to go back to the beginning again—at least pre-original southsun. Those were the days.

kitten this game seems to have more issues than when I left it……Orr was bugged beyond belief and now this, I’d play again but can’t stomach that all my leveling and gear grinding is for naught when there’s no endgame…..

Come on ANET, Red post already please !

With this changes they ruined CS map.
Today CS was empty , except 2 temples which i only did , and that was from 2nd try because in 1st wasnt enough players.
Very bad move by Anet…
I got only daily and World bosses to do , then log out.

I don’t think Anet will fix it.
If Anet want; simple bring Old Orr CS back.

Brand New 80 here… At least… I hit 80 within the month, got my 1st set of Exotic Armor through some friends coming together to help me on my first day as 80. I read somewhere that there were twice as many events in Orr as there were everywhere else… Which completely excited me!

Now I find out that this supposed “Double” the amount of events in Orr has basically been nerfed into the ground by either making them entirely too hard, or not enough events at all? Why? Because there are too many botters, or too many ‘farmers’?

So what you’re telling me is that… All the original players got to get their ‘super-prestige’ equipment in a decent amount of time, but I have to spend 6 months to a year before I can get mine? When they got theirs in a matter of 1-3 months?

Please don’t let me down like this ANet… Let’s step up our game a little bit… Personally I will be starting a new thread about this and much more, but for now I want to keep it to -this- conversation.

Drayven.6408:

So what you’re telling me is that… All the original players got to get their ‘super-prestige’ equipment in a decent amount of time, but I have to spend 6 months to a year before I can get mine? When they got theirs in a matter of 1-3 months?

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That’s one of my concerns as well.

You’re gonna have new players coming in every day, and they’re gonna see veteran players in t3 cultural set and multiple legendaries. And they’ll be like, “Oh wow, I can’t wait to get one of those” But they won’t realize that they were able to afford them because they were around for farming.

Now, no new player will be available to get that end-game gear without buying gems. And that’s apparently how Anet wants it to be.

I think a change was made. I am seeing 4-5 events every 30 min now. At one stage all three areas, pentinent, shelters and jorfast were going, as well as FIA and packhard immediately after.

Maybe Arenanet is listening.

I’ll probably get flammed for abusing guesting to suggest this, but i will anyways. You can guest as much as you want, to 2 different servers for 24 hours, then it resets and you can pick different one if you want.

When you login, just hit world select button, pick a server, & then hit guest, then play. You will be on that server till you visit char select again.

I use the hell out of it, if there is mulitple projectors closeby, ill guest to another server to see if i can hit them agian. I do my daily world events very quickly because i’m taking advantage of other servers spawn times. Heck, i hated finding those kitten pinatas for the achievement, so i found a place that had 9 of em and guested to speed it up. I’ve done this with the orr events too, instead of waiting for 20 min try another server.

I think guesting is the most underrated feature in the game!