Guild Wars 2

So like, the new Flame Legion enemies are wearing Inquest armor.

The gas-mask-y armor that players can obtain through the Sorrow’s Embrace dungeon. Dredge don’t wear it though, it’s the Inquest who works with the dredge who can be seen this armor style.

Is there perhaps an Inquest involvement in the Molten Alliance?

The “Inquest” armor is the one from Crucible of Eternity. The gas masks are Dredge themed armor from Sorrow’s Embrace (even though you find the Inquest there, that dungeon is more about the Dredge with the Inquest being just the tie in with the overal story).

I think it’s possible that other evil groups will appear as their allies for a bigger plot, but this in particular isn’t related to that. That armor has more to do with Dredge and their machinary culture.

Lokheit.7943:

The “Inquest” armor is the one from Crucible of Eternity. The gas masks are Dredge themed armor from Sorrow’s Embrace (even though you find the Inquest there, that dungeon is more about the Dredge with the Inquest being just the tie in with the overal story).

I think it’s possible that other evil groups will appear as their allies for a bigger plot, but this in particular isn’t related to that. That armor has more to do with Dredge and their machinary culture.

Uh…

Well, you’re wrong. If you ever done SE story or SE path 1, you will see that it’s the Inquest in Sorrow’s Embrace that wears that gas-mask-y style of armor.

EDIT: attached screenshot. Left is a screenshot of Inquest units in SE path 1. To the right is a Molten Flame Legion unit wearing a similar style armor in Wayfarer’s

It is still Dredge themed though.
There are no Asura anywhere else wearing those, so clearly it is more of a dredge thing than a Asura thing.

lordkrall.7241:

It is still Dredge themed though.
There are no Asura anywhere else wearing those, so clearly it is more of a dredge thing than a Asura thing.

No, you’re also wrong.

There’s Asura in Sorrow’s Embrace, Inquest specifically, who wear the gas-mask-y style of armor. Look at my screenshot. Obviously Asura. Then look at the Flame Legion on the right. Look at how similar their styles are.

There are no Dredge units who wears those gas-mask-y style of armor/helm. None at all in the game, while there are Inquest units that do.

Dredge themed != Dredge worn.

They are still themed after the dredge, not the asura.
If it were we would see asura with those gas masks outside SE, but we don’t.
We do however see plenty of Dredge around the world with that general theme.

lordkrall.7241:

Dredge themed != Dredge worn.

They are still themed after the dredge, not the asura.
If it were we would see asura with those gas masks outside SE, but we don’t.
We do however see plenty of Dredge around the world with that general theme.

You don’t see a single Dredge wearing that gas mask helm. Whereas Inquest does.

Lore-wise, the Inquest are the ones providing Dredge with technology. It seems highly doubtful the Inquest would adopt things from the Dredge. The Inquest were the first ones brandishing that style armor. Then the Flame Legion came with a strikingly similar style.

The armor style originates from the Inquest, not the Dredge. Look at the screenshot.

Ursan.7846:

You don’t see a single Dredge wearing that gas mask helm. Whereas Inquest does.

Lore-wise, the Inquest are the ones providing Dredge with technology. It seems highly doubtful the Inquest would adopt things from the Dredge. The Inquest were the first ones brandishing that style armor. Then the Flame Legion came with a strikingly similar style.

The armor style originates from the Inquest, not the Dredge. Look at the screenshot.

The STYLE is still Dredge though. Even if asura is wearing them.
Wearing the Nightmare armor from Twilight Arbor on my charr does not make the Twilight Arbor set charr in origin. It is still sylvari.

The exact same case can be seen in this situation. The whole style is Dredge, even if it is used by other races. The whole steampunky style is Dredge, whilst the asura is more futuristic.

lordkrall.7241:

The STYLE is still Dredge though. Even if asura is wearing them.
Wearing the Nightmare armor from Twilight Arbor on my charr does not make the Twilight Arbor set charr in origin. It is still sylvari.

Yes. TA armor is obviously Nightmare origin. Because the Nightmare Court are the ones originally wearing them.

SE armor is obviously of Inquest origin, because the Inquest working in SE are the ones originally wearing them.

So what’s the problem?

LoL so apparently your only answer to everyone is “you’re wrong”.

Dredge don’t wear that armor because most minor races don’t wear player armor.

That armor was designed as player armor with influence with Sorrow’s Embrace and Dredge culture. If you still want to insist in that it’s Inquest related (that would be Crucible of Eternity armor which is their base unlike Sorrow’s that is Dredge territory that they’re trying to use in their benefit) then it’s your problem, but it’s not proof of anything.

I think at some point it’s very possible that all the evil groups will appear as allied with the Molten Alliance, but this particular case is just Flame Legion wearing tech and armors from Dredge culture the same way you see Dredge using Flame Legion powers.

PS: The statement “Lore-wise, the Inquest are the ones providing Dredge with technology.” is soooooooooooooo wrong! Check their lore before calling everyone wrong and then come with that as your argument.

PS2: If it’s inquest armor… why the Asura workers in the Fractals instance wear it?? Because some times in the game devs make particular armor combinations to provide the look they want for something. Are they Inquest? Nope, they aren’t, just Asura with science suits and the closest thing they found to a scientific mask.

Lokheit.7943:

LoL so apparently your only answer to everyone is “you’re wrong”.

Dredge don’t wear that armor because most minor races don’t wear player armor.

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Because you are. The Inquest in SE (And thank you for pointing out, the Asura in Fracals) wear that style of armor. The armor obviously originate from the Asura.

Lokheit.7943:

That armor was designed as player armor with influence with Sorrow’s Embrace and Dredge culture. If you still want to insist in that it’s Inquest related (that would be Crucible of Eternity armor which is their base unlike Sorrow’s that is Dredge territory that they’re trying to use in their benefit) then it’s your problem, but it’s not proof of anything.

But…the only NPCs that wear the SE style armor are Asura, and Asura only. Until the Flame Legion now, of course.

Of course CoE armor is Inquest related. That doesn’t change the fact Inquest working in SE do wear the SE-style armor though. That most of the inquest wears CoE-style armor does NOT change the fact that a portion of Inquest do wear SE armor in SE (As can be seen in the screenshot.)

Lokheit.7943:

PS: The statement “Lore-wise, the Inquest are the ones providing Dredge with technology.” is soooooooooooooo wrong! Check their lore before calling everyone wrong and then come with that as your argument.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sorrow%27s_Embrace

And I quote

the moletariat have become corrupted and influenced by the Inquest, turning to enslave their own kind in continuous mining.

The heroes find a great dredge army massing in the depths, aided by the asuran technology of the Inquest

Why am I wrong? Are you somehow implying that the Dredge provided Inquest with their armor? That Asura would be influenced by a minor race like the Dredge is very un-lore-like.

EDIT: Actually, I can see how you can misunderstand my post. I meant more they “Influenced” their technology, not straight-up gave them technology. My apologies.

PS2: If it’s inquest armor… why the Asura workers in the Fractals instance wear it?? Because some times in the game devs make particular armor combinations to provide the look they want for something. Are they Inquest? Nope, they aren’t, just Asura with science suits and the closest thing they found to a scientific mask.

That’s a great point. Perhaps the armor’s origin is a general Asura hazmat suit then, and not just Inquest-specific.

I feel like by insisting what the “Style” is, you’re seeing the woods and missing the trees. Of course it’s themed like Sorrow’s Embrace and Dredge in mind. However, it doesn’t change the fact that the NPC who wear these armor are the Asura (Mostly Inquest).

About the technology, that refers to the Asura experiments and some particular devices you find like barriers, golem suits and inquest turrets (specially on path 1).

Dredge heritaged Dwarven technology from the time they were slaves and developed that technology in a huge way by their own. Their sonic weapons, steam mechanisms, drills, tanks, their own mechanic suits, their mortars… that’s all 100% Dredge technology. The armor from that dungeon is inspired by that steamy feeling from their technology, and Inquest didn’t inspire them for that.

Sorrow’s Embrace is the Dredge capitol, the Inquest just came there to try to get benefits by manipulating the moletariate, but the moletariate had all that stuff before the Asura came with their experiments.

Now with your last paragraph you’re trying to believe your own arguments by twisting what I said. That armor is used because it looks scientistic not because it’s an Asura hazmat suit model, the same way many armor combinations are used in other ways around the world and that doesn’t mean those characters belong to the faction from that dungeon.

For example, there is a event in Brisban Wildlands where you recreate a GW1 battle between ghosts from the Shinning Blade and the White Mantle. The White Mantle ghosts on that event use Order of Whispers armor and I’m 100% sure the White Mantle is not related to the Order of Whispers.

I’m sure I’ve seen many Iron Legion Charr wearing the SE armor around the world, and they’re obviously not Inquest and not Flame Legion and still wear it because Iron Legion is steamy related too and that’s the closest armor to that feeling.

In fact Asuras in general don’t use steamy machinary, that’s more a Charr thing if we go with playable races, the fact they wear those suits in that dungeon is probably a combination of:

- To showcase the theme armor.

- Because in that enviroment they’re exposed to a lot more steam than they normally see so they wear the gas masks to protect themselves.

I agree that the Inquest will probably show in that alliance, but the armors aren’t a proof of it, those Charr wear that armor to represent how the 2 armies are mixing their cultures and resources the same way you see Dredge undergoing the flame shaman ritual.

Lokheit.7943:

Dredge heritaged Dwarven technology from the time they were slaves and developed that technology in a huge way by their own. Their sonic weapons, steam mechanisms, drills, tanks, their own mechanic suits, their mortars… that’s all 100% Dredge technology. The armor from that dungeon is inspired by that steamy feeling from their technology, and Inquest didn’t inspire them for that.

Right. And obviously the Inquest designed these gas-mask-y helms in order to work in these environments.

Lokheit.7943:

Sorrow’s Embrace is the Dredge capitol, the Inquest just came there to try to get benefits by manipulating the moletariate, but the moletariate had all that stuff before the Asura came with their experiments.

Right. And the Inquest came in wearing these armor styles.

Regardless, I think my original point got lost. I’m not saying the Dredge received their technology from the Inquest. My original point was that the armor the Inquest wears in SE is most likely their own design, not influenced by the Dredge themselves.

Lokheit.7943:

For example, there is a event in Brisban Wildlands where you recreate a GW1 battle between ghosts from the Shinning Blade and the White Mantle. The White Mantle ghosts on that event use Order of Whispers armor and I’m 100% sure the White Mantle is not related to the Order of Whispers.

This is pretty interesting, and probably the best evidence against my theory. Screenshots will be appreciated of course, but this could very well be a symptom of designers just working with what they have and not being super strict about lore, and me reading into their technical limitations way too much.

Well the whisper agent reports seems to hint towards the Moletariat building something big. Could be they have salvaged the remains of the Inquest project and has teamed up with the Flame legion for their magical knowhow.

@Ursan

I just found the definitive argument against your point. Frankly I don’t know how I didn’t think about this before as it makes the whole point obvious.

The Sorrow’s Embrace armor is called… DREDGE armor in-game. Crucible’s Armor is called Inquest armor, and SE’s armor is called Dredge armor (or Furnance depending on the weight). Those Charr’s on the Molten Alliance are wearing Dredge armor, not Inquest armor.

The Developers called that armor Dredge armor, which means it’s inspired by Dredge.

You can even find many parts of the armor resembling Dredge tehnology like those steamy lights that you also found on their artifacts or even on Dredge Models like this one:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/a/ae/Dredge_Excavator.jpg/202px-Dredge_Excavator.jpg

You can see it on the Heavy and Light backs and the Medium belt:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/1/11/Dredge_Armor_concept_art.jpg/800px-Dredge_Armor_concept_art.jpg

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/3/3f/Furnace_magician_concept_art.jpg

And the way metal scraps are atached to those armors resemble the way they’re attached to Dredge models and technology:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/c/c7/Dredge_Mining_Suit.jpg

http://images.playgw2.com/www/images/guide/gw2minipets/29.jpg

If even the Developers of the game call it Dredge, frankly I don’t know what else you would need as proof.

Anyway I’m expecting to see the Inquest make their move on this story, but for now we only know that Flame Legion and Dredge are mixing their equipments and resources.

Lokheit.7943:

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While that’s all good and well, you’ve yet to explain clearly why the Inquest are the first ones wearing that style of armor.

The Inquest in SE clearly wear that style of armor, this can’t be argued. So why are they wearing the armor, is the question.

1. The Dredge helped craft it for them so that they can work in the SE environment.

This seems unlikely, especially for a race like the Asura to accept help from a lesser race like the Dredge. Also, it’s very likely that the Inquest visited the Dredge by their own volition, not through an invitation by the Dredge, which makes the thought of the Dredge preparing anything for them unlikely.

2. It’s a general Asuran hazmat suit, tailored for specific use in SE by the Inquest.

This seems the more likely, especially because you see the same style armor with Dessa’s krewe in Fractals. The dredge influence can be seen of course, but the origins of the armor can be traced to Asura.

It’s much more believable that the SE armor style has Asuran origins and dredge influence, as opposed to it being Dredge origin with Asuran influence, especially since both Inquest in SE and Dessa’s Krewe in Fractals use it.

3. Developers are limited, and just working with what they have.

Very likely, as evidenced by White Mantle wearing Order armor (Screenshots appreciated.). The designers for the new units probably just tossed in the armor because that’s the best “connection” they had to connect the Flame Legion to the Dredge.

Still, I find it interesting how vehemently you oppose any association between the SE armor set and Inquest. Especially in light of the fact that they are the ones who actually wear that armor set in SE. The association is definitely there. Whether it has any significance or not, I don’t know, but it definitely exists, at least superficially to a casual observer. Using your same word, I see this connection as very “obvious.”