Guild Wars 2

The whole idea to make a living world is great, is wonderful, and it’s really what I want to see in this game.

But I got say, calling the Dredge/Flame Legion union the “Molten Alliance” is a dumb move. It just reeks of cheap storytelling, WoW style. I’m sorry, but it does.

Something simple like the Northern Powers isn’t terrible, you know. Or maybe something fancier like, the Peerless, the Iron Army, the Reborn, the Unchained etc, etc.

I know it’s a small detail. But names got power. And reading about how norn and charr territory is under threat by the “Molten Alliance” just turned me off right there.

I’ll stop laughing if they make molten lead a weapon.

Molten Alliance is however quite fitting in this case.
After all both the Dredge and the Flame Legion does work quite a bit with lava and such.

Only thing missing is for them to start porting in destroyers.

I would have preferred the Flame Legion and the Sons of Svanir. I personally think the dredge are one of the least interesting races in Tyria. They don’t appear to have some kind of relationship to the dragons (Flame Legion magic and terrain looks very much like dragon corruption, Sons of Svanir worship Jormag, it also fits the Flame and Frost theme a lot better – dredge are more like dirt than frost). I still have hopes there is some kind of dragon plot lurking behind all of this. I’m not a big fan of fighting the Russians.

I don’t know what Molten means in WoW (I know it was a dungeon) but I hope you know molten is a not uncommon word that existed before WoW? Charr are very industrious and the Flame Legion have a lot to do with fire magic and molten lava. The dredge live under the ground and are somewhat industrious like the charr, it makes sense they would call themselves the Molten Alliance.

mol·ten
/?m?ltn/
Adjective
(esp. of materials with a high melting point, such as metal and glass) Liquefied by heat.

In Guild Wars 1 there was a dungeon run by a dwarven faction that enslaved the dredge to work for them. It was called Sorrow’s Furnace (I believe it’s called Sorrow’s Embrace these days – now run by the dredge).

fur·nace
/?f?rn?s/
Noun

An enclosed structure in which material can be heated to very high temperatures, e.g., for smelting metals.
An appliance fired by gas or oil in which air or water is heated to be circulated throughout a building in a heating system.

I believe Sorrow’s Furnace was the first place the dredge were seen in Tyria so their association with smelting and molten materials has been around since they were first in the game. It makes a lot of sense to call these two factions the Molten Alliance and none of it has to do with WoW.

Agreed. Flame Legion and Sons of Svanirs are better fitting for the Flame & Frost theme. Dredge are the least interesting race and not to mention annoying as hell. They represent metal/dirt more than frost.

Forums never cease to amaze me. A shallow race is expanded upon to give them more depth, people complain this race has no depth so should be used. Really?

I personally think the dredge have some of the best lore of all enemy races, and for one aren’t 100% evil. They just have been treated extremely bad, both by their previous and current overlords.

For people talking about SoS instead of Dredge:
Why would they work together with the Flame Legion in the first place?

Flame and Hypoallergenic Badgers: The Razing.

Its just a great pun, the ’mole’ten alliance, only reason I can see for it being the dredge. I do like the dredge but I don’t think they fit this story that well and it seems a bit villain races put in a hat and pull two out.

Villainous hunchback commies, gotta love it…

Dreamwalker.3617:

The whole idea to make a living world is great, is wonderful, and it’s really what I want to see in this game.

But I got say, calling the Dredge/Flame Legion union the “Molten Alliance” is a dumb move. It just reeks of cheap storytelling, WoW style. I’m sorry, but it does.

Something simple like the Northern Powers isn’t terrible, you know. Or maybe something fancier like, the Peerless, the Iron Army, the Reborn, the Unchained etc, etc.

I know it’s a small detail. But names got power. And reading about how norn and charr territory is under threat by the “Molten Alliance” just turned me off right there.

I prefer Molten Alliance to all your suggestions. I think it’s just a matter of personal taste.

To everybody picking on the Dredge, I gotta say that they are actually a pretty good race: they’re bad guys but not really evil, a nation of xenophob rebels who just want to be able to be communist moles in peace; and I’m happy that Anet is taking the time to flesh them out more.

And Danikat, yeah I’ll admit my suggestions weren’t amazing, but those were off the top of my head. I’m just thinking that with all the brilliant people they got at Anet, they could come up with something a bit better than “Molten Alliance.” But that’s just me.

Yeah the first time I laughed at the name, because well atleast to me, it sounds like the alliance being more about eating chocolate with pleasure, letting it melt on their tongue than anything with fire and lava. Well that was just the mental image I had, a Charr and a Dredge feeding each other chocolate. xP

Makes me wonder why the Flame Legion decided on making an alliance with the Dredge since the Dredge seem to be of the anthill mentality (omg, Borg!!!).

Obviously the Dredge can tunnel where they want to and it does get the Flame Legion to the places they want/need to be to cause trouble so that may be one reason. Plus there are a lot of Dredge and they don’t seem to mind dying. I notice there are a lot more Dredge to Flame Legion coming through the portals….

Maybe the Flame Legion thinks they are ‘using’ the Dredge… They better watch out or they may be assimilated, lol….

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Yeah the first time I laughed at the name, because well atleast to me, it sounds like the alliance being more about eating chocolate with pleasure, letting it melt on their tongue than anything with fire and lava. Well that was just the mental image I had, a Charr and a Dredge feeding each other chocolate. xP

Wait…..what?

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I think the name has the perfect amount of self-conscious theatrics the leaders of a band of evil-doers would employ. Consider how Megamind named his schemes and capes.

Molten Alliance is to evil-doer’s clubs what Black Mamba is to evil-doer’s fashion.

dude you need to play guild wars 1, im sure they will bring back dwarves and destroyers and titans

Molten as in Molten titan? o.O THat would be weird though fitting. Even though the titans thought to be long gone with the door of Komali (to the domain of anguish (or secrets)) being closed for ages.

personly i find that name very offensive! Change it anet,change it now or else!!! lol… yeah right,like they would listen >_>

I think the alliance exists because both groups have been pushed into the same mountains. Neither the norn or the charr treat the dredge very well (not that the dredge are doing them any favors), and the flame legion probably represent the least objectionable ally. The Sons of Svanir likely wouldn’t work with anyone considering how “master racey” they are.

HuntsForge.3260:

Its just a great pun, the ’mole’ten alliance, only reason I can see for it being the dredge. I do like the dredge but I don’t think they fit this story that well and it seems a bit villain races put in a hat and pull two out.

Ugh how did i not see that

I find it hard to believe either of those xenophobic factions would even form some alliance in the first place.

Dreamwalker.3617:

To everybody picking on the Dredge, I gotta say that they are actually a pretty good race: they’re bad guys but not really evil, a nation of xenophob rebels who just want to be able to be communist moles in peace; and I’m happy that Anet is taking the time to flesh them out more.

And Danikat, yeah I’ll admit my suggestions weren’t amazing, but those were off the top of my head. I’m just thinking that with all the brilliant people they got at Anet, they could come up with something a bit better than “Molten Alliance.” But that’s just me.

Reminds me of Iksar…except they were even more awesome.

Simple is that, Son of Svanir is too powerful and dont want to share their reputations with other high group (like flame legion) i think. On the other hand, Flame legion need blacksmith and engineer source (as you can see CoF p1, they kidnapped a iron legion engineer for forge the weapon), so Dredges are the best choice for the Flame legioni think.

Flame Legion and Sons of Svanir is a terrible idea simply because the Sons of Svanir would see allying with another faction as a weakness, which goes against their reverence of Jormag as a Spirit of Power. Not to mention the Flame Legion would not ally with a dragon, I don’t think dragon=god to them.

Dredge and Flame Legion is perfect because both are vying for territory in their respective regions, both are in a position to gain something. The defeat at CoF set the Flame Legion back and they realize that standing against 3 whole legions without any allies is folly. They probably approached the dredge from a position of weakness, but they gave the dredge powerful magic to augment their gear. The Dredge have actually been gaining momentum since their liberation. I feel like they of all the enemy factions they stand the highest chance of becoming a legitimate power. The Flame Legion can’t handle the industry brought from the Iron Legion and so the Dredge helped to counter that with surveillance and sonic technology.

As far as gaining ground, the dredge and flame legion pretty much neighbor each other. A combo of the two can represent a terrifying northern threat. Not only that, but the dredge of Dredgehaunt Another reason the Sons of Svanir is a terrible idea is that norn do not mobilize armies. It’s not in their cultural and they’re not going to break that just because the Flame Legion said its a good idea.

The dredge may not sound like an interesting race because they’re not flashy like the flame legion, but I feel like Anet can flesh out their internal politics and command structure to make them more appealing on a different level from other factions.

As for Molten Alliance, I think the name is very appropriate. The alliance is forged around lava and industry, it only makes sense. All your suggestions seem as cliche as the Molten Alliance, except they lack context in relation to the groups involved. No way the Flame Legion would call themselves anything with Iron in it because the Iron Legion is their very antithesis. I don’t think the Dredge would use an abstract name like “The Peerless” or “The Reborn” because they’re a race that seems more down to earth (excuse the pun) than others. I think the use of Molten is good because it represents a shared theme between each race’s strengths (lava and industry). Maybe they could axe the “alliance” part of the name and change it for something else, but Molten is definitely appropriate