I saw the Station Recipes for sale at the festival vender and thought “sure why not, might come in handy for maybe a guild challenge or Teq or the 3 Wurms.” Also those were the only things that did not have. So I bought two of them (the Stone Station and the Oil Station). Figured the recipe would be something involving T5 or T6 materials. I just looked at the recipes:
The boost is the equivalent of a master level bonus for that type of item (Sharpening Stone or Maintenance Oil) that lasts 1 hour and the station sticks around for 5 whole minutes.
Wow . . . just wow.
I don’t know how to ask this any more gently: Were you under the influence when you thought this up? Are you serious ANet? Are you trolling your player base with this? You are aware that is at least 17.5-25 gold worth of time-gated materials right?
I’d like my 1600 tokens back to spend on level-up scrolls for one of my alts.
Can I get a refund? Feel free to remove the recipes from my account since I cannot imagine being so wealthy in game that I will ever use them . . .
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Acrobatics trait line. Then sell it back
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Yeah, they were mean to offer it the first time around, downright cruel to offer them again. Never even remotely worth it unless they change the recipe. Of course, knowing ANet, as soon as they are off the market they will change the recipe to use Mithril instead of Deldrimor and suddenly the profit margins on the stations will shoot to 500%+.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
That is Anet for ya though! I mean look at how many things use charge lodestones in the bloody game. They have all these resources that never get used but instead of tapping them they keep throwing charged lodestones into the mix even for tonics. It is sad really it is like they are out of touch with their own game sometimes.
Yeah, I mean I can get that they tend to fit thematically, but you’d think they could hire some sort of economist to keep track of the economy, and he could see that there’s a lot of natural demand for Charged Lodestones with relatively limited supply, so clearly they need more places that drop them in greater quantities into the game. I could see them slipping up on weekly or monthly S/D imbalances, but that one’s been a problem for over a year now. Even if they could just hire like a high school graduate to manage their economy I’m sure he could have worked that one out by now.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
When they introduced new 60m food 12 months ago it required mats that cost 10x as much as the food with 30m duration.
When they introduced the spinal backpacks they made the tailor recipe cost 200g and the leatherworking recipe cost 15g for the same item.
Now there is this item, and there was another one that I can’t remember exactly off the top of my head.
I think that the economy guy and the recipe setting guy must have some sort of personal feud going on so they do things just to spite each other at the expense of the players.
When they introduced the spinal backpacks they made the tailor recipe cost 200g and the leatherworking recipe cost 15g for the same item.
If you go off the price of damask on the TP, yes. This may be partially a function of there having been less time for people to craft damask, though, making it scarcer due to the time gates. If so, this is something they’d probably expect to flatten out over time.
On the other hand, the price of cloth has been consistently higher than leather…
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When they introduced the spinal backpacks they made the tailor recipe cost 200g and the leatherworking recipe cost 15g for the same item.
That was actually a good idea. This took a lot of unused leather out of the game resulting in a rise of leatherprices. So medium armor is now at about the same price as light armor.
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That is Anet for ya though! I mean look at how many things use charge lodestones in the bloody game. They have all these resources that never get used but instead of tapping them they keep throwing charged lodestones into the mix even for tonics. It is sad really it is like they are out of touch with their own game sometimes.
I was actually pleased to see that there are a lot more sparks floating around Orr these days. It’s still hard to farm charged lodestones, but the overall supply should be higher these days. Champ bags and aetherized metal have also been added in the past to help. Having crafted Bolt recently I didn’t find it to be any more onerous to get 100 of those than it was to get 250 of any of the t6 mats. I can’t imagine forging Mjolnir, but hey, at least they’re not as bad as Giant Eyes.
When they introduced the spinal backpacks they made the tailor recipe cost 200g and the leatherworking recipe cost 15g for the same item.
If you go off the price of damask on the TP, yes. This may be partially a function of there having been less time for people to craft damask
No, it was the function of damask being used for all 3 armor weights, and requiring way more t5 mats than elonian (or deldrimor…). Basically, equal supply, but way, way more demand.
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Another thing about them that threw me was that the stations require a crafting skill of 425. Crafting Bloodstone Bricks and Deldrimor Steel Ingots requires a crafting skill of 450. This is the only example I can think of that requires less crafting skill to craft the item than to craft the item’s components. There is absolutely no reason to think that a crafting skill 425 item would require ascended materials . . . that you could not craft if you were less than crafting skill 450.
Nerf Shadow Arts condition cleanse. Gut the
Acrobatics trait line. Then sell it back
to them for $50. Brilliant! – ghost of P.T. Barnum
For the price of one station you can make about 180 stones, without using precious asc. mats to boot. I can’t see the station being the better choice…ever.
You can create them using a different crafting discipline. So if you have armorsmith at 450 you can make your bricks and then make a tuning station with artificer at 425…
I bought one of each of these recipes when they first came out, figuring they would be like the potent potions and be able to make a profit months down the road. nope. it was only after buying them that I realized the cost. Anyways, I was one of the first people to list one of each station on the TP, and mine actually sold. I ended up making a small profit; enough that I recouped the cost to buy the recipes (not counting the brick). I haven’t even bothered to consider crafting those recipes since then.
It is literally cheaper to craft and mail potent potions to Every. Single. Player. on the entire map than to drop one of these stations. feasts are supposed to only be 10-30x the cost of the regular food. these stations are 10x as much as that.
decrease it to 1 ascended material, and have each crafting give 2 stations. then they’ll actually be used.
watchwork portal devices also need drastic price reductions.
If you go off the price of damask on the TP, yes. This may be partially a function of there having been less time for people to craft damask, though, making it scarcer due to the time gates. If so, this is something they’d probably expect to flatten out over time.
On the other hand, the price of cloth has been consistently higher than leather…
Yeah, the price of Damask is higher than the price of other Ascended mats because of time, but even if you could craft infinite Damask per day it would be higher because Damask takes twice the Silk as other mats use in their T5 mat, and silk has become very rare, and on top of that linen and other cloth mats are higher than the metals because you can only get them from drops/salvage. It would actually revolutionize the economy a bit if they added “cloth harvesting” nodes like ESO has (remember, they do come from plants), and added some way to more reliably harvest leather, like having yellow-tag animals that are instanced and long-duration spawned like harvesting nodes, but each drop 3-4 leather pieces when killed.
“If you spent as much time working on [some task] as
you spend complaining about it on the forums, you’d be
done by now.”
Yeah…. At those prices, I want permanent stations in my Home Instance as well… :-/
At first I though it was a permanent addon for your home instance until I looked it up on the wiki and found it to be a recipe requiring insanely expensive mats. I agree, buyer beware on this recipe, for than many tokens they could have at least made it a once a day node.
Thanks for warning me. I was gonna ask on forums if they were worth buying. Guess not! What to spend 2600 festival tokens on then? Tome of knowledge/t6 material bag i guess?
Legendary weapons can be hidden now!
No excuse anymore for not giving ‘hide mounts’-option
No thanks to unidentified weapons.
Thanks for warning me. I was gonna ask on forums if they were worth buying. Guess not! What to spend 2600 festival tokens on then? Tome of knowledge/t6 material bag i guess?
If you go off the price of damask on the TP, yes. This may be partially a function of there having been less time for people to craft damask, though, making it scarcer due to the time gates. If so, this is something they’d probably expect to flatten out over time.
On the other hand, the price of cloth has been consistently higher than leather…
Yeah, the price of Damask is higher than the price of other Ascended mats because of time, but even if you could craft infinite Damask per day it would be higher because Damask takes twice the Silk as other mats use in their T5 mat, and silk has become very rare, and on top of that linen and other cloth mats are higher than the metals because you can only get them from drops/salvage. It would actually revolutionize the economy a bit if they added “cloth harvesting” nodes like ESO has (remember, they do come from plants), and added some way to more reliably harvest leather, like having yellow-tag animals that are instanced and long-duration spawned like harvesting nodes, but each drop 3-4 leather pieces when killed.
Or just have salvageable hides drop off normal yellow-tag animals reasonably frequently?
As for the rest… yeah, the price of cloth is higher than the price of leather, but not so much that I would have thought it would have greatly influenced the cost of crafting it yourself…
…although I’d admit that I hadn’t registered that it takes 100 silk to make silk weaving thread when the others require only 50 of whatever material. THAT definitely needs to be fixed.
I presume this has been brought up in the crafting forums, since it’s unlikely to be picked up on here?
To those who think Scarlet hate means she’s succeeded as a villain:
People don’t hate Scarlet like Game of Thrones fans hate Joffrey.
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Thanks for the heads up OP. Now i need to find out how am i gonna spend my tokens. I’ve got all the back and helm skins, dont care about minis, so… T6 mats? Maybe…
