Guild Wars 2

So after beating Liadri on my fourth try without even changing traits and
white weapons without sigils i’m left rather unsatisfied.
Getting a title for the fight is nice and all but seeing as how easy it is an considering
Anet stated that they wanted only a small fraction of the palyerbase to beat her
I think we should be able to up the difficulty a bit with additional rewards.

This game is mostly about cosmetics and individuality; players want to
distinguish themselfes from others.
That’s why some of them spend hundreds of hours to farm legendaries
or other rare skins. That’s why I like rare titles that show my personal skill.
The Liadri title is worth absolutely nothing.
Just taking a look around the forums i see so many people who have beaten her after a few tries and it really takes away from the feeling of accomplishing something.

Why is there no title for 8 orbs or Liadri with X gambits.
Besides, we only have 2 qq threads; a clear indicator that it’s too easy.
Not sure about last year but reading all the complaints from people who couldn’t beat her gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling <3

the majority of the playerbase still finds liadri rather difficult.

How long did you spend on her fight last year?

Not sure, it was a long time ago…
edit:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/jubilee/Liadri-Slayer-Club/first
according to this, third try with switching out endure pain, which i normally run, for shake it off

Crovax.7854:

Besides, we only have 2 qq threads; a clear indicator that it’s too easy.
Not sure about last year but reading all the complaints from people who couldn’t beat her gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling <3

They definitely made her easier beyond just removing the dome and making the telegraphs more visible. Last year the forum was flooded with Liadri complaint threads for the entire event. It personally took me over 50 gauntlet tickets just to barely beat her. This year I’ve beaten her 3 times with no armor on and damaging her with auto attacks only.

Liadri is too hard, frustrating and patience-taking.

It’s a lot easier to kill Liadri now due to some ‘exploits’ involving food. It also doesn’t help that people have better stats now with ascended gear.

Also, all Norn players can easily defeat Liadri due to the Bear form trick.

Bear form trick?

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Bear form trick?

CC her to the edge of the platform, then bearform charge to chain many 3k+ hits.
There’s a video of this somewhere.

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

I’ve literally did everything possible(except bear form-just learned the trick) with my guardian to beat her. i could out survive, but the timer usually dropped me. Everyone told me to use my warrior, that it didnt even need top gear or any specific traits. BEAT her on my 3rd try(first 2 loses were weapon swap screw ups on auto targeting). All i did was trait melee weapon speed boost, with my GS equiped for 1st phase. Then Targeted her directly while moving around outer rim. Used endurance regen signet. Used rifle skills 4,2,3, while 1 auto fired. took her out before 2nd aoe could hit. I was shocked how easy warriors can take her out and thats usually what i see while watching and waiting for my turn. But finally killed her so victory

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

What part are you struggling at? There are two phases. If you can get to the 2nd phase without screwing up in the 1st (i.e. not missing any orbs) you can lootstick her to death on a guardian.

Vol.7601:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

What part are you struggling at? There are two phases. If you can get to the 2nd phase without screwing up in the 1st (i.e. not missing any orbs) you can lootstick her to death on a guardian.

Just had a look at her previous posts; thief.
Unfortunately there are no walkthroughs on the thief subforums
but i know that poisons ignore her shield in p1 so you can wittle her down and when you see that time is running short, finish p1 and burst down what little is left of her.

s/p for pistolwhip. shadowfall can be evaded. withdraw for mobility and SS for cond removal and when you run out of endurance and initiative to evade shadowfall.

eva lin mcdowl.3978:

I was shocked how easy warriors can take her out

But were you REALLY shocked by this fact? Warriors are the best class for just about everything in this game, so why not Gauntlet?

We want a challenge, it has to be hard, there’s no need for super duper rewards, we just enjoy a tough fight. Moar challenging content!

Ok, here it is, but we’ll up you one and give you a title so you can show others at least that you’ve done it!

This is not rewarding!

Disclaimer: Forum trends only, does not pertain necessarily to posters in this thread.

GW2 – no actual (rewarding) challenge.

Crovax.7854:

Vol.7601:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

What part are you struggling at? There are two phases. If you can get to the 2nd phase without screwing up in the 1st (i.e. not missing any orbs) you can lootstick her to death on a guardian.

Just had a look at her previous posts; thief.
Unfortunately there are no walkthroughs on the thief subforums
but i know that poisons ignore her shield in p1 so you can wittle her down and when you see that time is running short, finish p1 and burst down what little is left of her.

s/p for pistolwhip. shadowfall can be evaded. withdraw for mobility and SS for cond removal and when you run out of endurance and initiative to evade shadowfall.

Actually I’ve been doing it on my mesmer, tyvm. I’ve done everything on my mes thus far.

I have an issue making it to phase 2. Hell, a lot of the attempts, the stupid cosmic orb thing doesn’t spawn right away, and when it does it’s in the opposite direction in which I run (since they don’t seem to always spawn in the same spot) and pulls me right back into shadowfall, where the vision then spawns immediately on top and me and it’s game over. Superbly frustrating.

When I have made it to phase 2, I don’t really feel like I’m doing much of any damage to her before my phants are toasted. Then I either end up crippled and die, or the timer runs out.

Yes, I’ve tried playing with which weapons I’m using.
Yes, I have played around with my traits.
Yes, I have read dulfy and even watched her video on how she did it.
Yes, I have tried using both PVT (so I could take more of the grasp hits) and my typical Assassins gear. I suppose I could craft a zerker set, though I have no desire to sink that much gold into a set of armor that no one else can wear.
Yes, I crafted myself some truffle and meat stew, popped a metabolic primer and used it

Edit: My 80’s consists of my ele, 2 mes, a ranger, and a thief. My necro is the next closest at 72. My guard and warrior are like 40 and 65 respectively, so not really viable options.

OP you said you did it after your 4th try. That already means it’s hard. Is there any dungeon that took you 4 tries to finish?
I think average player would need about 50 tries to kill liadri. Better need less and worse need more obviously.

It is hard! Also: liadri isn’t easier this year, it’s just that everyone plays better as they are more experienced in the game. For example: last year I couldn’t get 8 orbs and now I got it after 20 tries or so.

Rezz.8019:

OP you said you did it after your 4th try. That already means it’s hard. Is there any dungeon that took you 4 tries to finish?
I think average player would need about 50 tries to kill liadri. Better need less and worse need more obviously.

It is hard! Also: liadri isn’t easier this year, it’s just that everyone plays better as they are more experienced in the game. For example: last year I couldn’t get 8 orbs and now I got it after 20 tries or so.

4 tries for a boss is definitely not hard. even armstrong in revengeance took me more than that…
edit: just because dungeons are even easier doesn’t justify this ‘hardcore’ content to be beatable that fast. I remeber that one boss in arah p4 after they patched
it so she is invulnerable if she is invisible but before the nerf. I’d consider that a real ‘challange’.

Crovax.7854:

Vol.7601:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

What part are you struggling at? There are two phases. If you can get to the 2nd phase without screwing up in the 1st (i.e. not missing any orbs) you can lootstick her to death on a guardian.

Just had a look at her previous posts; thief.
Unfortunately there are no walkthroughs on the thief subforums
but i know that poisons ignore her shield in p1 so you can wittle her down and when you see that time is running short, finish p1 and burst down what little is left of her.

s/p for pistolwhip. shadowfall can be evaded. withdraw for mobility and SS for cond removal and when you run out of endurance and initiative to evade shadowfall.

There was a post on reddit to kill her with lifesteal without even removing her shield.

Hard and easy are relative, some people think a raid boss that takes 15 attempts to kill is considered pretty easy, while others think of 15 attempts as impossibly hard.

That being said, liadri is pretty straightforward and forgiving considering everything.

OP doesnt realise that all the people who have beat her so far did so last year, or fought her last year, th enewbies will still be working there way through the other bosses give it some time yet

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

Vol.7601:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

What part are you struggling at? There are two phases. If you can get to the 2nd phase without screwing up in the 1st (i.e. not missing any orbs) you can lootstick her to death on a guardian.

Just had a look at her previous posts; thief.
Unfortunately there are no walkthroughs on the thief subforums
but i know that poisons ignore her shield in p1 so you can wittle her down and when you see that time is running short, finish p1 and burst down what little is left of her.

s/p for pistolwhip. shadowfall can be evaded. withdraw for mobility and SS for cond removal and when you run out of endurance and initiative to evade shadowfall.

Actually I’ve been doing it on my mesmer, tyvm. I’ve done everything on my mes thus far.

I have an issue making it to phase 2. Hell, a lot of the attempts, the stupid cosmic orb thing doesn’t spawn right away, and when it does it’s in the opposite direction in which I run (since they don’t seem to always spawn in the same spot) and pulls me right back into shadowfall, where the vision then spawns immediately on top and me and it’s game over. Superbly frustrating.

When I have made it to phase 2, I don’t really feel like I’m doing much of any damage to her before my phants are toasted. Then I either end up crippled and die, or the timer runs out.

Yes, I’ve tried playing with which weapons I’m using.
Yes, I have played around with my traits.
Yes, I have read dulfy and even watched her video on how she did it.
Yes, I have tried using both PVT (so I could take more of the grasp hits) and my typical Assassins gear. I suppose I could craft a zerker set, though I have no desire to sink that much gold into a set of armor that no one else can wear.
Yes, I crafted myself some truffle and meat stew, popped a metabolic primer and used it

Edit: My 80’s consists of my ele, 2 mes, a ranger, and a thief. My necro is the next closest at 72. My guard and warrior are like 40 and 65 respectively, so not really viable options.

To get to phase2 is just a matter of repetition really. The orbs do seem to be randomly placed which can be a major pain.

I use the east-southeast platform. The first white portal will spawn directly behind her. I’ll start off by destroying the first rift, then charge behind her, her first blast will be directed right where I started the fight so I’ll already be out of that. Then the second blast will be right on top of the white portal. if you run to the portal and turn around to face liadri your first vision will spawn to the right, i usually step out of the blast a little in that direction staying lined up between the portal and the first vision. From her her next blast will be right where I’m standing, so I back up across the portal and wait, the first vision will drop in there giving me the first orb which i can pick up after the blast goes off.

I’ll go pick that up, and the next portal is over by the wall, i’ll rush there, then time a dodge to evade the blast (blasts being shadowfall if you didn’t pick that up). this keeps me lined up with the vision and portal to minimize wasted movement of the visions.

Right about the time this vision goes into that portal you’ll have another vision spawn to the left and another to the right. I ignore the right one as the next white portal spawns to the left right by where the one spawned. now, i’m a guard so I use my line of warding on that left vision as it keeps him lined up and in place (if i do it right he’s actually right on top of the portal as it spawns). So i’ll pick up the orb I just made, then circle around towards that next white portal and throw my orb. The blast is going to be right on that white portal though so you can’t go all the way to it. But if you move right you should be able to get teh vision in it quickly for your 3rd orb and activating phase 2.

Note though, about the time the second vision becomes an orb, before the third portal activates you’ll usually have an orb spawn. Sometimes it’s right where that second vision went into the portal, so delaying a second before picking up the crystal to destroy the orb quickly may be advisable, that’s the only thing that can screw me up at this point.

I feel I’m getting it as fast as humanly possible every time…that second phase though…my god. Wish I could give tips on that part but can’t say I’ve mastered it yet.

Repeat after me:

“Just because I think something is easy, does not make it actually objectively easy.”

People who’ve beaten Liadri in a couple of tries, I can guarantee 99% of them beat her last year. Which means you know the fight. You know what to do. Once you do something once, you can always do it again with fewer difficulties because you are familiar with it.

Not to mention, it’s been nearly a year since this stuff was available last year. New armor and weapons became available since then, so people can have higher stats. New skills and traits have been added; skills and traits have changed since then. And, most importantly, you’ve had a year to play since then and further hone your skills.

Everything gets easier over time, and there will never be something that everyone finds to be challenging. The difficulty level of a thing will always be relative, and difficulty is inversely related to experience.

You want an area of the game that is “easy” to be rewarding?

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LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Crovax.7854:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

sigh

Maybe I’ll go try that I suppose

Do yourself a favor and do it the proper way, it’s really not that hard.
Your respective class subforum probably has a thread dedicated to beating her.

65 tries later….

Yeah… not that hard. No, I just suck. Thanks.

70 tries,

I either get caught by the orbs or the never ending visions, and those insta kills, suck sooo bad

Dang. Not special enough because there are not enough complaints about (edit: “it on”) the forum. Well here’s a thought. Beat her naked with a shield only, no traits and no skills equipped otherwise. Record it. Put it on the internets. Link to it in your signature. Start complaint thread that it’s too easy. Make sure to remind people whenever the topic of “challenge” “rewards” or “content” in general comes up.

Ding. Winning.

You upped the difficulty and you earned epic rewards.

Zach.3264:

You want an area of the game that is “easy” to be rewarding?

……

If you came to that conclusion, you obviously haven’t read the OP.
I asked for options to make it more difficult if the player chooses so,
just like the gambits but with titles or minis associated with it.

Getting a title for the fight is fine but there should be further ways to progress my character through titles, unique skins etc. if I do the fight with, say, 4+ gambits.
How about a unique title for beating her with 2,4,6,8 gambits, giving 8orbs a title just to name a few possibilities.

What are you talking about dude? It’s a hella challenging fight that feels rewarding as hell once you can pull it off.

Mal.1670:

What are you talking about dude? It’s a hella challenging fight that feels rewarding as hell once you can pull it off.

I don’t think OP cares about personal satisfaction, which is the whole point of this post.

@Sourde Noire.5286
The fight is easier for multiple reasons.
1. The camera issues are gone.
2. Over the year, your skill as a player improved even if you are not aware. Things like control and how you move or use your skills.
3. The most important, because you are familiar with the fight. The after the first time you beat a boss, generally, it becomes significantly easier assuming everything reminds constant. You know the fight, you are more confident and the fear of losing is significantly less aka less tension.

I like how people actually think the ascended armor / weapons with the increased stats are making a noticeable difference in this fight. Because 5% extra stats are the make or break in such a thing.

On that note, the Liadri fight is not so much hard, since it’s beatable by memorization. The AoE falls in patterns, I believe even her Visions of Mortality spawn in patterns, though that shouldn’t be much of an issue.
You can easily avoid her auto attack by sidestepping left and right (and you see why the Necro staff #1 isn’t that great on range), or simply tank / outheal it on a class with regeneration.

In Phase 2, make sure you fight close to the center. The AoE, once again, falls in patterns, and will move clockwise. So the closer you are to the center, the easier it is to get out of it without wasting dodges.
If you can, don’t destroy her Visions, I believe they inflict cripple / weakness on death, very much like Mesmer illusions from players if traited, but they can safely be CC’d (push, knockback, etc.).

I also feel Liadri is easier this year, because last year I was struggling to beat her in the time limit. This year, with the very same character and build (since I didn’t touch it for a while), I easily beat her with a ton of time left. And I did the very same things I did last year. That doesn’t mean it’s easy for everybody, but I think the fight is not as hard and unfair as it is made out to be, because in the end you can just learn the patterns and then it’s usually not paying attention and misjudging a dodge that kills you.

And titles for harder fights, such as one with full gambits and/or doing the 8-orb thingie would be okay. Then again, I like titles because I think they sound cool (like Sunbringer or Blazing Light for a guardian), not for what they stand for. I don’t see the problem of adding stuff to show off for the ‘hardcore crowd’, whoever that may be. Not everybody has to get everything.

As a thief main with over 4000 hours on my thief certain setups make killing her a trivial matter. Whether that be in my power, hybrid, condition setup in most cases killing her is easy the failures come in once I had to attempt doing 8 orbs before killing her due to pulls fr cosmic rifts if you are not paying attention.