Guild Wars 2

After 500+ runs without any drops and a bit of bitterness, I would appreciate some feedback from an ANET dev on this subject but I wanted to ask to any passerby developers that can explain to me why the drop rate for this recipe is so low?

There have been buy orders of upwards 600+g in the last two days and they haven’t been filled. I do not know if this is intended but this doesn’t follow the latest trend that Shadow of Grenth and Light of Dwayna has followed; those recipes were rare, yes, but they’re cheap, and the reason is because they were dropped from readily accessible presents last Wintersday.

The problem I feel is that since tickets and tokens are much more harder to come by, the Queen’s Gauntlet isn’t often run. But when it is farmed, not only are you spending money and receiving one token in return, but you’re also not getting anything else. No coins to make up for the money loss, no sprockets to trade in for more tickets, no nothing.

Compounding the problem that the Chaos of Lyssa recipe is so horribly low in drop rate that I can’t understand why this would be intentional. If I wanted to go further, the backpiece itself takes 15 days to make(and 50g) or you can make it in one day with 250g instead. Whichever you choose, it’s still expensive to make.

That backpiece would only appeal to a niche amount of players anyways just like the previous two god backpieces, so why is this one so special? I ask again, is this intended?

Yes I agree, I would understand such price and a very low drop rate if we would directly drop the backpiece, but all this just for the recipe?? What was Arenanet thinking? I want to think it’s just a bug in the drop rate, but even so… people already wasted hundreds of tickets now.

Anyway, I hope that they will fix it and that the recipe’s price will get around the same price of dwayna’s / grenth’s backpiece recipe.

This applies for any drop that may (or rather may not) come out of the Gauntlet Chances.
I’ll try it again with approximately 100 Chances again if I still get nothing at all, I’ll prolly file a bugreport as this simply cannot be intended.
I’d understand if you at least get a few silver when opening the Chances, especially when killing t3-enemies with Gambits, or a few more entrance tickets so that you at least can keep killing, but that one Festival Token you get is a huge joke, even more so when you look at how much work it is to get those tickets in comparison to last time. Ironically you also got better rewards last time.

Also 500+ Gauntlet Chances opened btw.

ANet, finally give me my friggin Monocle after I had no luck in all the other events you were able to get it.

at 500 opened so far nothing other than tokens yet.

I’m pretty sure the community already said that we don’t like this kind of RNG where you get useless items and an extremely rare chance to get a good item, that most people will never get.
Tickets are already hard to come by and the reward from doing gauntlet is just ONE festival token (per boss per gambit). Some people will probably play lose hours on this trying to get the recipe (or something else) without ever seeing it.

At least increase the droprate of gauntlet tickets from the pavilion and/or the amount of bags you get from tier2 and tier3 boss.

I was thinking the same as the op, why have they implemented the same rarity for this back piece from a method that is much harder to farm (chances vs gifts)?

I also don’t understand why they’re forcing players into one part of the patch to obtain this recipe – what if people don’t enjoy the gauntlet (or at least the grind of it)? I really think this recipe should be included as a drop from other parts of the Festival – Aspect Arena, Sanctum Sprint, drops from mobs in the Pavilion?

At the current method, this skin is going to be the price of half a legendary to make, it will be available to those the RNG gods favor or the 1% with more money than sense.

Please fix this – keep the monocle to gauntlet chances and put the recipe out into other parts of the Festival.

the lucky who get selling them for 1000gold+

500~ chances, only thing I got besides tokens was 1 favor

I’m 100% confident the drop rate is bugged.

Anet came out and investigated that the drop rate wasn’t bugged. But surely you all remember the Final Rest fiasco?

The fact that there has only been at least 1 drop so far just shows how are it is. Or it may also show that so few people are playing this update? I dunno..

Vol.7601:

I’m 100% confident the drop rate is bugged.

Anet came out and investigated that the drop rate wasn’t bugged. But surely you all remember the Final Rest fiasco?

The fact that there has only been at least 1 drop so far just shows how are it is. Or it may also show that so few people are playing this update? I dunno..

There are more than 1 drop. Also not a lot of people farming it due to tickets costing 20s for 5. All in all its just a bad situation

hyman.7526:

Vol.7601:

I’m 100% confident the drop rate is bugged.

Anet came out and investigated that the drop rate wasn’t bugged. But surely you all remember the Final Rest fiasco?

The fact that there has only been at least 1 drop so far just shows how are it is. Or it may also show that so few people are playing this update? I dunno..

There are more than 1 drop. Also not a lot of people farming it due to tickets costing 20s for 5. All in all its just a bad situation

600+ Gauntlet Chances opened by me, not a single drop. Other people opened multiple hundred too, they got nothing either. The drop rate HAS to be bugged or this is the worst thing ANet ever pulled regarding RNG, and they pulled a lot of bad things.

hyman.7526:

Vol.7601:

I’m 100% confident the drop rate is bugged.

Anet came out and investigated that the drop rate wasn’t bugged. But surely you all remember the Final Rest fiasco?

The fact that there has only been at least 1 drop so far just shows how are it is. Or it may also show that so few people are playing this update? I dunno..

There are more than 1 drop. Also not a lot of people farming it due to tickets costing 20s for 5. All in all its just a bad situation

I think it is a low drop rate.. but more along this. Anet thought more people would do the gauntlet. There is no one up there and no wonder- 1 festival token is what most of the boxes contain. It’s a total joke.

You all just misunderstand the lore. Lyssa is the goddess of illusions. Ergo a few of those festival tokens are likely to convert themselves into recipes in few days time.

Seriously though, the recipes for the back piece were only one of a few rare items that were supposed to drop by playing the gauntlet. From the release notes:

Participating in festival content will also earn players Queen’s Gauntlet Entrance Tickets, which can also be purchased in the Crown Pavilion. Winning fights in the Queen’s Gauntlet will award players with Gauntlet Chances, which have a rare chance to drop a further set of rare returning rewards, such as a monocle from the Sky Pirates of Tyria. Furthermore, Gauntlet Chances have a very rare chance to drop a recipe for crafting the new Chaos of Lyssa ascended back piece.

Dilyrio.1308:

You all just misunderstand the lore. Lyssa is the goddess of illusions. Ergo a few of those festival tokens are likely to convert themselves into recipes in few days time.

Seriously though, the recipes for the back piece were only one of a few rare items that were supposed to drop by playing the gauntlet. From the release notes:

Participating in festival content will also earn players Queen’s Gauntlet Entrance Tickets, which can also be purchased in the Crown Pavilion. Winning fights in the Queen’s Gauntlet will award players with Gauntlet Chances, which have a rare chance to drop a further set of rare returning rewards, such as a monocle from the Sky Pirates of Tyria. Furthermore, Gauntlet Chances have a very rare chance to drop a recipe for crafting the new Chaos of Lyssa ascended back piece.

Well they did say rare chance. And we all know what Anet means when they say rare chance (ie. only ~5% of the players get the thing, if that). There’s still time to fix this Anet…

Buy orders for it – for a recipe – are up to 1300g right now. That says enough about the drop rate, I think.

400 tickets, still no drop (not even that favor of the festival scrap). they should increase the drop rate and make it acc bound.

I don’t hold out too much hope, but if the loot tables are bugged it would be great if they did something with the gauntlet rewards like they did with the those rich dragon coffers. If I remember correctly, they ended up giving everyone who purchased them early a recipe for Dragon’s Revelry Starcake.

imagine how much these recipes will cost after the event, more than legendaries i imagine

its already close to legendary cost anyway – if you didn’t have the silk to craft it you’re looking at 95g, then 50g for the runestones…1445g for a backpiece?! plus anyone who gets it drop and is looking to sell would throw it on at a sale price the way the market is right now.

compared to the availability of the previous two ascended backpieces this is just insane.

still no response from anet…

Don’t you understand? Hiding a drop behind staggeringly bad odds makes it EPIC! EPIC, get it!

The few people who manage to afford this thing are gonna have such enormous throngs of worshipers following them to simply bathe in their awesomeness that the game will double in sales overnight!

Seeing one of these super rare backpieces on display will cause everyone near to spam /cheer, which would potentially crash the servers if more than 2 exist in any one map within the same day.

(/sarcasitcthrashbarg)

574 gauntlet bags opened resulted in 2 favors of the pavilion and 572 tokens. A friend of mine is up to over 1200 and hasn’t seen the recipe drop either.

I rarely ever complain about things that ANet does, but this is just bad. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect things to be handed out like candy, but this is pretty ridiculous.
Haven’t even seen a single one on the TP, and the buy price is up to 1400g as of a few minutes ago…

Moonjelly.3742:

574 gauntlet bags opened resulted in 2 favors of the pavilion and 572 tokens. A friend of mine is up to over 1200 and hasn’t seen the recipe drop either.

I rarely ever complain about things that ANet does, but this is just bad. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect things to be handed out like candy, but this is pretty ridiculous.
Haven’t even seen a single one on the TP, and the buy price is up to 1400g as of a few minutes ago…

2 Favors? Consider yourself lucky then…

I just wanted to chime in on some observations.

Currently my buy order is within the seven highest orders so far on the recipe, and so far only one has dropped in the last two in a half days. If even seven recipes dropped the prices would go down, if even 10 dropped and were sold to buy orders the prices would go down. Hell, I’d even get the recipe itself even if seven WORLDWIDE across all servers, dropped. Yet there has been nothing. Not even any listings.

Either the drop rate should change or the tickets should become more accessible, but both of these are really hurting the supply. I mean hell there HASN’T been any supply. There should have been more than one drop by now.

Just saying, ANET, if you see this, please give some consideration about changing it. Thank you.

how soon people forget….

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Miniature_Polar_Bear

I have 50 more bags- I am not sure if I should wait and hope for a fix or open them.

Gaviston Hawkington.9647:

how soon people forget….

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Miniature_Polar_Bear

I want to forget, but I can’t. So many runs wasted…

Chaos of Lyssa, the first item wich got in gw2 with a rediculous drop rate, precursor like but in a meta event. FINALLY Anet is giving this game and people some exclusivity.

Too bad i had that with liadri mini BEFORE the nerf and now its too easy, so not even worth mentioning.

Only shame is that this is pure RNG, so eventually itll go to the hands who has the most gold or actuall cash converted to gems to gold since its not account bound.

We need more UNOBTAINABLE skins guys, you really all wanna look exacly the same? Enough armor skins you say? so why is almost 50% of the people with over 5k AP wearing a light of dwayna? or why is every rich warrior wearing the exact same ‘legendaries’?

We need more skins that are actually super duper rare. Eventually everyone will have 1 of those super duper rare skins regardless of value, since theyve played the game long enough. But instead of all wearing the exact same skin, itll be all sorts of skins and cool types of armor youve never seen before or always wanted.

As it stands now they are adding more and more ‘expensive’ skins to achieve this goal and im happy with that. Now all they have to do is wrap around a good storyline about the next elder dragon with a quest where you have to travel all over tyria for so you eventually get to a new area wich you go to ONLY after youve done this quest wich tells you the lore about the dragons and such wich immerse you in it. With a one time after kill:“pick the weapon skin you want from these super ultra legendary various types of staff skins all sorted with there own cool super awesome effects etc, but only once in your entire characters carreer you can do this so choose wisely since its permanent.” sort of thing. This would mean exclusivity by achieving. Anyone will eventually reach it since its permanent, but since there is a ton of different skins and you can only pick one it will keep its ‘skin’ value.

Also this would be a quest where you would actually choose what role you want in the gw2 universe (with a title variation on wich path you take)

(my personal experience in gw1 when ascending to unlock new areas IT WAS AWESOME)

Also make it a bossfight worthy of an elder dragon where you need a well equipped coordinated party AFTER defeating another contender party in a PvP type match where you get to choose the skin if you achieve the goal and if you fail you get some sort of token so you can still farm your way towards it if your not that good. (with a foolproof PvP match before everytime so ppl cant just /suicide and redo it)

Sorry ranting on, I love the new exclusivity of skins, RNG not so much.

Vol.7601:

I’m 100% confident the drop rate is bugged.

Anet came out and investigated that the drop rate wasn’t bugged. But surely you all remember the Final Rest fiasco?

The fact that there has only been at least 1 drop so far just shows how are it is. Or it may also show that so few people are playing this update? I dunno..

I agree with you. The drop rate is bugged, from friends/guildies + you fine people in this post we have opened upwards of 10,000 boxes and no success. I will be holding onto future boxes until an official anet employee responds. And it isn’t just with the lyssa, it seems to be bugged overall. I opened about 1000 boxes now and not one skin or anything fancy.

Is there any part of this event that doesn’t suck?

I opened the 50 I had saved before the patch notes went up but after I updated. I got the favor.. so I guess that is something more than a token. I was just really hopeful it was going to be a bug fix for this recipe drop.

jazzllanna.1278:

I opened the 50 I had saved before the patch notes went up but after I updated. I got the favor.. so I guess that is something more than a token. I was just really hopeful it was going to be a bug fix for this recipe drop.

That hasn’t anything to do with the patch though. Just “luck” on your part.
They need to up the droprate for EVERYTHING in there, whatever there may be inside, or, if they really do not want to do this under any circumstances for whatever reason, up the amount of Tokens so that you can keep rolling as long as you keep winning and add a few silver…

Now if only ANet could have (FOR ONCE!) allowed us to get the Chaos of Lyssa recipe from the event vendor for 1600 tokens and Favor or something.
I mean, come on it’s only for the RECIPE! It’s still going to cost 50g in runestones and 15x Damask/Elonian/Deldrimor to make.

But no, that one has to be tucked away in a specific gauntlet box at 0.00000001% chance so maybe 15 people worldwide will get it. >_<

The method of acquisition is absolutely awful. A few lucky lottery winners will get it just like precursors. Why couldn’t it be something like trade in 500 Gauntlet tokens (Example) for the recipe? Everything locked behind mindless RNG for which there are clear winners and far more losers is really depressing.

Lamir.6702:

The method of acquisition is absolutely awful. A few lucky lottery winners will get it just like precursors. Why couldn’t it be something like trade in 500 Gauntlet tokens (Example) for the recipe? Everything locked behind mindless RNG for which there are clear winners and far more losers is really depressing.

That would’ve been a wonderful idea. Hell, even if the items acquired this way are accountbound, I wouldn’t care at all. They could still allow you to open them in order to get the same items without them being bound, but then you’d do it at your own risk…

I swear if they now add the recipe for 5k blade shards after I dumped them all into 50 bags → 50 greens, I will cry.

I’m of the opinion that we should be able to trade something like 100 Gauntlet Tickets for the recipe. It’s a RECIPE, and the resulting product is ACCOUNT BOUND. Having it be so rare is downright ridiculous.

Lamir.6702:

The method of acquisition is absolutely awful. A few lucky lottery winners will get it just like precursors. Why couldn’t it be something like trade in 500 Gauntlet tokens (Example) for the recipe? Everything locked behind mindless RNG for which there are clear winners and far more losers is really depressing.

Yes on top of the fact that it was temporary. If it was for some permanent event then at least you have a chance to get it (doesn’t mean it is good still) when you continue to play the game.

I saw a video of this back piece which seemed to show that it has legendary footfalls. Is that true? If so, the drop rate is certainly not bugged and is functioning as intended… other than, of course, all the people waiting to open their bags because they think it might be bugged. Myself included.

Both videos available, to my knowledge on youtube, or of two people equipping the backpiece with legendary weapons. Backpieces never have footfalls.

Ive opened around 200 so far which all rewarded me with single tokens. I have another 300 unopened and about 200 more gauntlet tickets remaining. I will probably save the last 100 tickets and leave the chances unopened in hopes that they do something with the drop rates.

Even though I still have a ton of tickets left I dont agree with allowing it to be bought with the tickets. It screws over people who actually took the time to grind out wins in the gauntlet in hopes of getting the recipe.

ErazorZ.5209:

We need more UNOBTAINABLE skins guys, you really all wanna look exacly the same? Enough armor skins you say? so why is almost 50% of the people with over 5k AP wearing a light of dwayna? or why is every rich warrior wearing the exact same ‘legendaries’?

Ever play City of Heroes or Champions Online (before their descent into RNG boxes)? Very few people looked like despite every costume piece being pretty easy to obtain and the reason was because there were options.

Don’t want everybody looking alike? Have more than a handful of backpack skins for thousands of players, not restriction options to the extremely lucky/rich.

I agree with Pandaman there. Individuality comes from having a wide variety of nonexclusive options. Items that are considered prestige items due to their price and rarity generally fall into one of two categories – so rare that in effect they don’t exist for most players, or something that is achievable enough that every player who feels the need to go for the most expensive gear goes for it, and you get the GW1 rich-person uniform of obsidian armour, chaos gloves, and tormented weapons.

Exclusivity can actually be exactly what pushes people to be samey in appearance, particularly if the exclusivity comes at the expense of easier to reach options.

In this case… I think ArenaNet may have overestimated just how popular the gauntlet was, and thus how many players are currently playing it. The drop rate is as desired, but if they’re only getting a few hundred thousand chances to drop rather than a few million, that’s going to impact availability.

The frustrating thing about the gauntlet is it is so boring when you are trying to get a few of these boxes. You also have nothing to show for your time after this recipe does not drop. The boxes, for the most part, only give you 1 festival token. There is not even a consolation prize for not getting the recipe/monocle. Why can the recipe not be purchased with tokens? They are the only reward you get from the gauntlet you should be able to use them as currency to buy the recipe. It could be a huge number for all I care there just needs to be a secondary way of getting this recipe. The monocle they can keep rare- but this is a new crafting recipe it should not be 1000s of gold. I would doubt that was the intention. The creators of this event really just did not put it together well and do not know their players is what it seems like to me.

For all those people who are putting up +1000G buy orders, you guys are going to be hit hard and waste money. All it takes is Anet to do a quick hotfix or even one patch to adjust the price. When Final Rest was fixed, the first sell listings were in the 3-4 figures and dropped in less than a day to 2 figures.

The same will happen to this recipe when Anet fixes it, which I’m confident will happen.

Unless you play 24/7 and can immediately remove your listing once the patch notes hit, I suggest to use that 1000g elsewhere.

Anet will never let an item this exclusive rise to outrageous prices unless they gave everyone a fair chance at acquiring them. Right now the chance is no where near fair, so they will adjust that.

Vol.7601:

For all those people who are putting up +1000G buy orders, you guys are going to be hit hard and waste money. All it takes is Anet to do a quick hotfix or even one patch to adjust the price. When Final Rest was fixed, the first sell listings were in the 3-4 figures and dropped in less than a day to 2 figures.

The same will happen to this recipe when Anet fixes it, which I’m confident will happen.

Unless you play 24/7 and can immediately remove your listing once the patch notes hit, I suggest to use that 1000g elsewhere.

Anet will never let an item this exclusive rise to outrageous prices unless they gave everyone a fair chance at acquiring them. Right now the chance is no where near fair, so they will adjust that.

If your looking for a good example, I think you can remember the Molten Backpack, which did not have a high drop rate (higher than this by quite a large margin though), but it was far less accessible as it required a full dungeon run plus having a group of 5 etc.

That was an exclusive item that some people (solo people for instance) had no shot at. Even an abysmal drop rate from the guantlet is more accessible to those people than the jetpack was. And then it was gone a few weeks later never to return (yet).

This back item looks pretty awesome, I wouldn’t be suprised at all if they didn’t change anything around the drop rate, and were satisfied with only a handful coming out. (sub 100) over the course of the event.

Rennoko.5731:

Vol.7601:

For all those people who are putting up +1000G buy orders, you guys are going to be hit hard and waste money. All it takes is Anet to do a quick hotfix or even one patch to adjust the price. When Final Rest was fixed, the first sell listings were in the 3-4 figures and dropped in less than a day to 2 figures.

The same will happen to this recipe when Anet fixes it, which I’m confident will happen.

Unless you play 24/7 and can immediately remove your listing once the patch notes hit, I suggest to use that 1000g elsewhere.

Anet will never let an item this exclusive rise to outrageous prices unless they gave everyone a fair chance at acquiring them. Right now the chance is no where near fair, so they will adjust that.

If your looking for a good example, I think you can remember the Molten Backpack, which did not have a high drop rate (higher than this by quite a large margin though), but it was far less accessible as it required a full dungeon run plus having a group of 5 etc.

That was an exclusive item that some people (solo people for instance) had no shot at. Even an abysmal drop rate from the guantlet is more accessible to those people than the jetpack was. And then it was gone a few weeks later never to return (yet).

This back item looks pretty awesome, I wouldn’t be suprised at all if they didn’t change anything around the drop rate, and were satisfied with only a handful coming out. (sub 100) over the course of the event.

There is a difference, the jetpack skin could be applied immediatly.. this is just a recipe. After you buy this you need to buy or craft all the ascended materials before you can actually have the backpiece. Considering that they’ll probably make a backpiece for every other God (so far we have 4, but Dwayna/Grenth/Balthazar are quite easy to get/buy), I think they all should be around the same price/drop rate.

Which is, in my mind, an important point. Dwayna, Grenth, and Balthazar have all been fairly easy to get – why should Lyssa be inherently so much more difficult?

I haven’t even been able to see what it looks like yet…

This is what it looks like, Drax:

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/237988/module_gallery/original/1829969.jpg

It’s gorgeous, and it’s the first backpiece that’s been added since the Fervid Censer that I really love and need to have.

So the drop rate for it is extremely frustrating, especially considering how common the recipes for Dwayna and Grenth are, and how (relatively) easy Balthazar is to obtain.

Thanks, Verene!

Hrrrmn, for me it’s probably in the ‘can live without’ category – although I do have a human mesmer that would LOVE to have it just for the principle of the matter if the price can come down to something reasonable. Seems similar-ish to the sun, wind and lightning catchers, ironically enough given the timing, albeit different enough that I wouldn’t necessarily recommend a catcher as a substitute.

draxynnic.3719:

Which is, in my mind, an important point. Dwayna, Grenth, and Balthazar have all been fairly easy to get – why should Lyssa be inherently so much more difficult?

I haven’t even been able to see what it looks like yet…

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