Guild Wars 2

If we had dragonite ores instead of empyreal fragments in fractals reward, I think more people would continue to do fractal. What do you guys think?

Yes

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Why are dragonite ores so bloody exclusive to only ONE form of content? Why not spread the distribution out more? I have like 20 bloodstone and 7 emps but only 1 dragonite, what’s up with that?

I thought that the Ascended mats came from:

1. Bloodstone – Champ bags (found everywhere)
2. Empyreal – JP’s, dungeons, Fractals
3. Dragonite – World Bosses, WvW(?)

Or am I wrong about WvW? (Don’t really do WvW, so don’t know for sure.)

Heck no, the frags are the best reward from fractals by far. I have 60 stacks of dragonite ore and <100 fragments. We need more fragments, not less.

Heh, I have 8 or 9 stacks of Empyreal Fragments, but only 3 stacks of Dragonite. (And about 15+ Bloodstone Dust, but everybody has that.)

Zaxares.5419:

I thought that the Ascended mats came from:

1. Bloodstone – Champ bags (found everywhere)
2. Empyreal – JP’s, dungeons, Fractals
3. Dragonite – World Bosses, WvW(?)

Or am I wrong about WvW? (Don’t really do WvW, so don’t know for sure.)

All of them can be obtained in WvW.
Camps/Towers reward fragments, while Keeps/Stonemist reward dragonite. Champ bags (tower/keep lords) contain bloodstone, as usual.

I would say that ascended materials sources are close to:
- Bloodstone —> Everywhere., nobody is worried about them.
- Empyreal —> Small group content
- Dragonite —> Zerg content
Which IMHO is an horrible design that forces people to play a lot of content they don’t like at all. Both, massive and solo/group content, should offer ways to get each material.

Wicked Rin.1972:

If we had dragonite ores instead of empyreal fragments in fractals reward, I think more people would continue to do fractal. What do you guys think?

Seeing as i have far less empyreals than dragonite, i have to strongly disagree. Temples and World Bosses are enough to supply dragonite needs. It’s the empyreals that are in short supply.

Astralporing.1957:

Seeing as i have far less empyreals than dragonite, i have to strongly disagree. Temples and World Bosses are enough to supply dragonite needs. It’s the empyreals that are in short supply.

Perhaps because you prefer zerg content (no disrespect meant). As the poster before you nicely summed it up:

Vargamonth.2047:

I would say that ascended materials sources are close to:
- Bloodstone —> Everywhere., nobody is worried about them.
- Empyreal --> Small group content
- Dragonite —> Zerg content
Which IMHO is an horrible design that forces people to play a lot of content they don’t like at all. Both, massive and solo/group content, should offer ways to get each material.

I fully agree with his summary.

I have a ton of emp fragments from doing dungeons. Dragonite ore i dont hav that much of cuz only some world bosses giv a good amount, the bosses are on timers so u cant get ore wenever u want, and many of the temple events are bugged on some servers making it even harder. I also rarely wvw.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Heck no, the frags are the best reward from fractals by far. I have 60 stacks of dragonite ore and <100 fragments. We need more fragments, not less.

How did you pull that off? I don’t think I even have one dragonite ingot, but plenty of emp. I guess that’s what I get for running dungeons instead of zerging content.

When you know how to play with meta events timer and how to lead the zerg where you want (instead of being another zergling), it’s rather easy to get stacks of dragonite ores.

RedStar.4218:

When you know how to play with meta events timer and how to lead the zerg where you want (instead of being another zergling), it’s rather easy to get stacks of dragonite ores.

Some of us dont find it fun to do any content in a zerg. Only dragonite I get is from guild challenge once a week and the odd duo/trio of melandru, dwayna, lyssa or golem mark 2.

well get used to it the ascended mats are designed to make u play all aspects of this game.

don’t like it ? don’t get ascended !

Dragonite only being from meta events is a bit unfair though. Especially when its so few and somewhat timegated. Empyreal can be obtained from dungeons, fractals and JPs. Theres plenty of options. You also get some Empyreal in guild missions. Id like to see some dragonite given in the daily chest of fractals.

haviz.1340:

Astralporing.1957:

Seeing as i have far less empyreals than dragonite, i have to strongly disagree. Temples and World Bosses are enough to supply dragonite needs. It’s the empyreals that are in short supply.

Perhaps because you prefer zerg content (no disrespect meant).

Not quite. Possible Dragonite income per hour is just higher. In the same time it takes to get x amount of Empyreals from dungeons or WvW-zerging (two fastest methods), i can get many times that in dragonite by temples and world bosses.

Morsus.5106:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Heck no, the frags are the best reward from fractals by far. I have 60 stacks of dragonite ore and <100 fragments. We need more fragments, not less.

How did you pull that off? I don’t think I even have one dragonite ingot, but plenty of emp. I guess that’s what I get for running dungeons instead of zerging content.

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I have so many ectos and dragonite ore that I could never spend them all. And I only have to do it for 2 hours a day. I typically get 20 ectos and ~200 dragonite ore a night.

krixis.9538:

well get used to it the ascended mats are designed to make u play all aspects of this game.

don’t like it ? don’t get ascended !

Last time I went to the Shatterer I was one of two people there. Now I can’t get ascended because Fort Aspenwood is empty. Zergs are horribly unreliable, and making the top tier of weapons in the game directly tied to it was a bad idea. If regular events dropped 1-2, then it would be fine, but ones that require zergs are not.

No.

It is too easy to get dragonite ore as it is. Empyreal fragments are harder to get. Dungeons/Fractals are the main source of Empyreal. Don’t take one of them away.

The amount from Jumping puzzles and open world chests is laughable.

Dragonite ore is easily obtained by running a couple temples or world bosses. Guesting is your friend here.

Mad Rasputin.7809:

No.

It is too easy to get dragonite ore as it is. Empyreal fragments are harder to get. Dungeons/Fractals are the main source of Empyreal. Don’t take one of them away.

The amount from Jumping puzzles and open world chests is laughable.

Dragonite ore is easily obtained by running a couple temples or world bosses. Guesting is your friend here.

I did world bosses to farm for my ascended dagger once.

A perhaps even better idea: just reward tokens you can exchange for Ascended mats of your choice (or even chests if you got a toooon load of them).

It seems that everyoen has either too many frags or too many ores, depending on their playstyle, so why not let people choose what they want?

Personally I have 5 stacks of spare frags which I have no use for at the moment though.

Best idea in this forum I’ve seen since the release notes of Fractured. And if people still want empyrial, why not include a mechanics which would give you an ability to choose what you want your reward to be at the very beginning of the fractals, so you know what you’re working towards as you go through each level.

spoj.9672:

Some of us dont find it fun to do any content in a zerg. Only dragonite I get is from guild challenge once a week and the odd duo/trio of melandru, dwayna, lyssa or golem mark 2.

My guildies and me have opposite play times. But since you have guildies (at least 5) you can do virtually any events just by you guys without having a zerg (Dredge, Shaman, Ogres) and the 3 temples you have listed can be done without any problems with only 6 persons. In fact, Lyssa is better with less people.
And if you are scared of a zerg coming in, you can always guest on other servers.

That’s how you complete events without having a zerg to make it even more mindless, like Dwayna :/.

I know that, thats why i said duo/trio. The problem is I have to go out of my way to get dragonite and i only get dragonite from gms because i have a large guild that I leech gms from.

rT doesnt do gms but a fair few of us solo/duo/trio temple bosses occasionally. The thing is we would all much rather earn dragonite while playing the content we enjoy; dungeons and fractals. I dont see why fractals cant give dragonite instead of empyreal or just give both in small amounts.

Everyone’s playstyle differs and some lack dragonite due to their playstyle and others of us lack empyreal due to our playstyles.

It’s unfortunate, but all of us are ‘forced’ to do other aspects of the game to achieve obtain the necessary ascended crafting materials that we need.

I don’t run dungeons as much as I used to lately, so the 25 runs needs for just one ascended weapons is a little burdensome for me at times.

Currently, temples, Jormag, Shatterer, Tequatl, and Mark IV golem are all the best sources of dragonite. The other world bosses offer a lot less bang for the buck.

Unfortunately, it all comes down to they want us to do several different things in the game to get everything we need. Some do the world boss/temple circuit more and thus have more dragonite ore available to them while others run dungeons with their time and have plenty of empyreal fragments at their disposal. All part of their grand scheme to timegate everything.

Fractals is currently one of the two best sources for empyreal fragments, including dungeons, and thus I really would not support removing this method of acquisition.

I am, however, all in favor of more methods of obtaining all the ascended materials.

They should give you some random ingredient depending on level 1-9 T5, 10-19, T6, 20-29 T6-Asc mix, 30+ random Ascended component.

The problem is that ascended crafting requires everything. Most players will acquire some things faster than others due to their play style and they won’t collect massive quantities of everything. This means most players will be short of dragonite, short of empyreal, or short of something else and most players will need to grind out the rest for their ascended weapons.

That’s a terrible idea. Dragonite Ore is the 2nd easiest component to get besides Bloodstone Dust. You just have to watch timers. Also if you have more than one 80, that’s Ore for each character for every event. You can get 500+ in a single day with little effort if you have the characters and mentality for it.

Wicked Rin.1972:

If we had dragonite ores instead of empyreal fragments in fractals reward, I think more people would continue to do fractal. What do you guys think?

No.

Not sure if Fractal rewards are the answer, but I DO think there needs to be more ways to obtain Dragonite Ore.

How about an NPC that lets you trade one Ascended raw material for another?

How about just 5 of each?

ThiBash.5634:

How about just 5 of each?

Make it 10 and you have my vote

Bloodstone dust = nobody needs these, champion bags everywhere. This is the last item people worry about at all.

Empyreal fragments = you can get these anytime you want by doing dungeons. Jumping puzzles and wvw drop of these are a joke.

Dragonite ores = depending on your server, you either get a lot of these or barely any. Only temples, dragon minions and golem mark is worth doing for these. Most of the time you get these after reset, then there’re dead hours where none of these bosses are even touched.

Champion farming people get a bunch of bloodstone dusts.
Dungeon players get empyreal fragments and bloodstone dusts.
World bosses farmers get dragonite ores and bloodstone dusts.

I like the idea about trading ascended mats for other kinds.

disagree with the comment that nobody needs bloodstone dust because the new toxic utility buffs require 100 to craft 5 and i made the mistake of making bricks each time i got 100 and stuck with them now.
id like it if they added a breakdown function in the crafting so stuff like this isnt wasted and can be used up.

Personally, I would like to get all three types in fractals, as that’s what “ascended is for.”

How about:

Champion/Boss bags = bloodstone dust (as usual)
Fractal end of map chest = Emp. Fragments
Daily chest = Dragonite Ore

Would be nice to be able to get all three during a fractal run.

Seems I’m in the opposite boat of everyone else. I have tons and tons of fragments and dust, but I have to go out of my way to get dragonite ore.

However, that said, I do have 3 ascended weapons all of which I crafted and since I’m on Blackgate, world bosses are always being killed, so it’s not like I couldn’t go out and get the dragonite ore. I would just like to see it drop in more places.

I think a conversion recipe to switch between one type to another would be a good idea. Maybe a MF recipe where you put in 250 of the unwanted type, 1 of the desired type, Phil.Stones/Crystals and 1 Bottle of Elonian Wine, and the Forge spits out anywhere from 25 – 50 of the desired type.

The real issue is that the stuff cant be sold at the BLTC.

Here is the real problem that IMO takes preference right out of the equation.

Dungeons are ‘on demand’ content. Anyone can find a group to at least one dungeon at any time. You do it and you get your fragments.

World Event content are timed events that you have to be at the right place at the right time for.

Sure there are tools online to help us find those events which makes it a little easier, but I still can’t go earn Ore any time I want. I have to wait for events, most of which don’t give enough ore to be worth my while.

Dragons and Temples are the only events that give enough ore to speak of. On Tarnished Coast Lyssa and Dwayna have been bugged for days, and Blathazar is rarely completed leaving me with one temple and two dragons that can be done reliably.

I would very much like another ‘on-demand’ way to earn ore. Fractals would be great.

*one temple, 1 world boss and 3 dragons
(Golem + Shatterer, Jormag and Tequatl)

Also, the Daily chest at Tequatl does give a good amount of Dragonite Ore and he really isn’t that hard with a little bit of organization ^^

Back to Topic
I guess anyone can agree Bloodstone is fine the way it is, but we need more ways to get Dragonite Ore from Non-Zerg-Content and Empyrial Stars from Non-Dungeon/Group-Content

Devs, please do something about that, there are 2 crowds that have problems with at least one type of ascended material

I wouldnt mind dragonite ore being from world bosses if they increased the amount u get. The great jungle wurm and shadow behemoth for example should give at least 10-15 ore and the dragon events should give 30. Temples can give 50. This way it doesnt feel so grindy doing the world bosses over and over again. It would also giv us more options especially since temples hav been bugged so often lately :/. And to those saying dragonite ore is easier to get. Im pretty sure the playerbase that actually tries to get ascended weapons are in the opposite boat. Cause its generally dungeon/fractal runners who want ascended stuff and not casuals who do lots of zerg content.

All these ascended materials and essences should be available with Pristine Fractal Relics.

Pennry.9215:

All these ascended materials and essences should be available with Pristine Fractal Relics.

That would be nice to have also. Put dragonite ores in the reward for fractal and make ascended material tradable with Pristine fractal relics.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Heck no, the frags are the best reward from fractals by far. I have 60 stacks of dragonite ore and <100 fragments. We need more fragments, not less.

100% agree!!! I have 18 stacks of bloodstone, about 8 stacks of dragonite ore, and just over 1 stack of emp fragments. They are the hardest to obtain even when I have 2 of my toons parked at the end of a jump puzzle. The bloodstones are sooo common that I have already thrown away 3-4 stacks if not more. The dragonites ores are very easy to get on world bosses and in WvW after capping a castle, plus you get 15-30 dragonite ores, whereas the best JP only gives about 9 Empyreals.

Keep fractals with fragments! I am sure Anet already knew this fact when deciding on fragments though.

I despise zerg content with a passion, so I hope dragonite ore can drop from the fractals, at least the bosses.

Maybe the mindless aoe spam entertains you, but it doesn’t in my case.

Don’t ask me where, but I have atleast 10 stacks of Emp fragments on my throwaway alt, yet only 2 stacks of drag ore.

Caesteris.7529:

That’s a terrible idea. Dragonite Ore is the 2nd easiest component to get besides Bloodstone Dust. You just have to watch timers. Also if you have more than one 80, that’s Ore for each character for every event. You can get 500+ in a single day with little effort if you have the characters and mentality for it.

Not everyone wants to spend hours a day farming world bosses. I get at least 5x as many empyreal fragments as dragonite ore from regular play, which usually includes at least two world bosses per day.