Guild Wars 2

Would just want to have an answer why you resetting my hard work to 81.
The Point is if for leaderboard exclude me from the boards idc… if it’s because we have a Level 81 in an “old” System. well we don’t get any of the new rewards if we basicaly can’t complete new Content if we’re to bad to do the Content on 80 we don’t get any rewards for beeing old 80. But if we could complete 80 we would finally get a reward for all the time effort and Money put into it… please mods don’t move this Topic it’s just a question about a Feature of the update so I think it is in thre right place.

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

They reset levels simply because they are changing how fractals lvl 31+ works.
They will be harder with new challenges now, thus having access to the “best” (the highest currently seems to start dropping at lvl 40) rewards without having to do said challenges wouldn’t make sense

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:

You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.

I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.

But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.

lordkrall.7241:

They reset levels simply because they are changing how fractals lvl 31+ works.
They will be harder with new challenges now, thus having access to the “best” (the highest currently seems to start dropping at lvl 40) rewards without having to do said challenges wouldn’t make sense

Ok let’s say I have Access to the best so what Point is having Access to the best if we can’t complete it? if we’re to bad for the new Content we don’t get rewards Need to start low anyway .. if we can complete it there is no reason to resett us because we already put in effort to get up high to have a challenge and not to farm again lowere Levels if we can already complete higher difficulties

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:

You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.

I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.

But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.

Look I to tired to look it up but I asked if we we’re supposed to be on scale 80 10 1/2 months ago when we were there no Response came from a dev so you can’t blame me for going there since the devs didn’t tell us we shoulnd’t go there. So I am rightfully there to my best knowledge if you study law you will understand

lordkrall.7241:

They reset levels simply because they are changing how fractals lvl 31+ works.
They will be harder with new challenges now, thus having access to the “best” (the highest currently seems to start dropping at lvl 40) rewards without having to do said challenges wouldn’t make sense

I would really like to get so much inside info as you do. Constantly.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Ok let’s say I have Access to the best so what Point is having Access to the best if we can’t complete it? if we’re to bad for the new Content we don’t get rewards Need to start low anyway .. if we can complete it there is no reason to resett us because we already put in effort to get up high to have a challenge and not to farm again lowere Levels if we can already complete higher difficulties

It is more a matter of the being able to get the best rewards while doing less work than others.
If you had lvl 50 unlocked you would able to get the lvl 40 rewards as soon as the update was released.
But someone that only had lvl 25 unlocked would need to do more and harder stuff in order to get access to the same content.

haviz.1340:

I would really like to get so much inside info as you do. Constantly.

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50.

What he is saying however isn’t that it will be easier, he is saying that the curve will not be as steep.
And the fact remains that there WILL be new stuff added to lvl 31+ fractals that WILL make them harder.

Posted on the other thread, I’ll repost here:

Here is my perspective:

I leveled to FOTM 80 because it was the only content in the game that I found moderately difficult and enjoyable. I didn’t have a set group, but usually leveled with a mix of friends and a mix of pugs. It was a lot of time, very little proportional reward, but a whole lot of fun.

The clutch moments on level 79 shaman where the 4/5 people die and one person manages to res the rest… that was why I played high level fractals. I enjoyed it.
Looking at the new changes, I am hesitantly disappointed. I know I’ll have to test out the new levels 30-50 before I can fully judge, but from what the developers have been saying you can get to level 50 with less AR than before, and the overall difficulty curve from 1-50 has been lowered. The devs said they’d open up levels 50+ in the future, but not now.

I’ve waited a long time for them to “re-officially” open 50+. I quit the game a while back due to school, and was really looking forward to this patch to maybe bring me back in. But instead of a new challenge being opened to the rest of the player base, the cap on 50 is still in place, and from what the devs said, the content has been dumbed down a bit.

As it stands now, this really isn’t encouraging me personally to come back to the game.
I was one of the people who played from 50-80 not for the rewards, but for the challenge and fun and yes, admittedly, a bit of guild prestige. I don’t care about the leaderboards, don’t care about the rewards, and don’t care about the “new” fractal if it’s going to be easy. I want the dungeon that they said, and now are saying again, has “infinite” levels, that increases in difficulty, so I can challenge myself and have some fun in the process.

Edit: Also, if and when they open 50+, if it requires AR grind, I’ll never enter the dungeon again.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:

You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.

I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.

But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.

Look I to tired to look it up but I asked if we we’re supposed to be on scale 80 10 1/2 months ago when we were there no Response came from a dev so you can’t blame me for going there since the devs didn’t tell us we shoulnd’t go there. So I am rightfully there to my best knowledge if you study law you will understand

Studying law has nothing to do with this. If you actually study law, you would know that what you see in the courtroom and something as simple as common sense don’t even go hand in hand.

What Kilandros is saying is, the devs never meant for people to go to level 80. It was NOT original game design intent and therefore, there was no reward intent at that level. You made it there, which is great in it’s own right, but since it wasn’t intended, anet is fixing the mixtake they made and resetting levels.

All of this doesn’t matter anyway because the new, better reward structure starts at 30+.

lordkrall.7241:

What he is saying however isn’t that it will be easier, he is saying that the curve will not be as steep.
And the fact remains that there WILL be new stuff added to lvl 31+ fractals that WILL make them harder.

Please use “going to” instead of “will”, you are not someone who posses enough information to make that claim. For all we know fractals are going be dumbed down to cultivate the current gameplay that everyone loves.

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:

You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.

I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.

But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.

You need to understand that fractals were sold to us last year with the following: “unlimited increasing challenge”. So, yes people kept going higher and higher until they reached 80. There was no soft-cap at that time: only a hard-cap at 80! They said “unlimited”, so YES people were going to go higher and higher and they were supposed to, as advertised. Now Arena Net didn’t advertise exactly as implemented, but that’s something entirely different.

TL;DR: Yes, people were supposed to go that high, Arena Net didn’t foresee it.

haviz.1340:

Please use “going to” instead of “will”, you are not someone who posses enough information to make that claim. For all we know fractals are going be dumbed down to cultivate the current gameplay that everyone loves.

Ah well, I suppose we should assume that ArenaNet is lying then, because I would say this make it quite clear that it will be harder:

Mistlock Instabilities:

As Dessa has always been quick to point out, diving into the Mists is a dangerous hobby! Playing above fractal level 30, you will notice new Mistlock Instabilities that will force you to rethink your approach to what might otherwise seem like familiar challenges.
Every level starting at 31 will have a new instability to conquer. This instability is tied to the fractal level, so it will be the same for all three fractals and the boss, but will be replaced by a new challenge when you move up to a new fractal level.
These instabilities should offer new and varied challenges, even to veterans of the Fractals of the Mists!

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/upcoming-changes-for-the-fractals-of-the-mists/

People who have reached scale 80 have ALREADY worked for it. Saying that they haven’t put enough effort just shows how completely lost you are.

Wethospu.6437:

People who have reached scale 80 have ALREADY worked for it. Saying that they haven’t put enough effort just shows how completely lost you are.

They have worked for it indeed.
But they have however NOT done it with the new added things for lvl 31+, which would mean that they have worked less than someone getting to the same level after the update.

lordkrall.7241:

Mistlock Instabilities:

As Dessa has always been quick to point out, diving into the Mists is a dangerous hobby! Playing above fractal level 30, you will notice new Mistlock Instabilities that will force you to rethink your approach to what might otherwise seem like familiar challenges.
Every level starting at 31 will have a new instability to conquer. This instability is tied to the fractal level, so it will be the same for all three fractals and the boss, but will be replaced by a new challenge when you move up to a new fractal level.
These instabilities should offer new and varied challenges, even to veterans of the Fractals of the Mists!

Difficulty is a subjective opinion, not a fact. For instance, I heard Liadri was supposed to be hard. As it turned out, she was more of a jester than something hard.

haviz.1340:

Difficulty is a subjective opinion, not a fact. For instance, I heard Liadri was supposed to be hard. As it turned out, she was more of a jester than something hard.

Are you suggesting that these new additions will make things EASIER then?
That does seem extremely unlikely.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Kilandros.2098:

1. You leveled up knowing the rewards at >50 were the same as >40.

2. You leveled up despite knowing that the Devs wanted to keep you <50.

And yet, despite all of this, you believe yourself entitled to a reward? Here, let me put this this way:

1. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when there was no such reward in the first place?

2. Why would the Devs give you additional rewards for leveling beyond 50 when they didn’t intend for you to do so in the first place?

For the 100th time I leveled up to 81 when 50 wasn’t a hardcap. Using rez orb there is no Statement that 80 was the cap there or that we shoulnd’t go there by any dev I believe about 3 MONTHS later they said that they didn’t intend ppl to get that high.. I wasn’t asking for rewards I am asking why they resett the level’s I don’t see any sence in it. So please read and learn to understand before posting things that has nothing to do with my question ty

I understand what you’re trying to say. But you need to try to understand what I’m saying:

You weren’t supposed to that high, therefore you have to rightful claim to those levels. In other words, you cannot earn something that the Devs did not and do not want you to have.

I’m sorry you wasted all that time and energy using Revive Orbs to level up Fractals, but you had to have known that this was a distinct possibility. No one—NO ONE—thought that the Devs actually intended to funnel people into purchasing Revive Orbs simply to level Fractals. No one was so naive that that was the intentional design. Everyone using Orbs realized them for the loophole they were while doing them. So no, you didn’t “earn” those levels—you got them through a loophole that the Devs later closed.

But anyway, why does it even matter? The levels appear to be changing fundamentally. In other words, the previous 50 =/= the new 50.

Look I to tired to look it up but I asked if we we’re supposed to be on scale 80 10 1/2 months ago when we were there no Response came from a dev so you can’t blame me for going there since the devs didn’t tell us we shoulnd’t go there. So I am rightfully there to my best knowledge if you study law you will understand

So silence is the new yes?

Please refer to this thread regarding this issue.

The thread is closed.