(edited by Kilandros.2098)
Why compare "Old" Fractals to the "New"?
To be honest, I got really surprised by the community. I didn’t expect that so many people would try so hard to mess up with the other players.
Makes me wonder why I even bothered making gw2dungeons when people just “spit” on the face when given a chance.
I’m surprised by that too. I thought the only mean ones on these forums were those dang elitist scumbags. (Lol)
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
To be honest, I got really surprised by the community. I didn’t expect that so many people would try so hard to mess up with the other players.
Makes me wonder why I even bothered making gw2dungeons when people just “spit” on the face when given a chance.
Your post is unclear. What are you trying to say?
If you are suprised by that, check the “Compensation” thread and laugh/cry… The same people you are trying to defend spit in your face.
I think Weth is trying to say they are surprised that so many people in the community are trying to devalue the progress other members made in fractals by accusing them falsely and trying to deny them the right to ask for compensation.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
I think Weth is trying to say they are surprised that so many people in the community are trying to devalue the progress other members made in fractals by accusing them falsely and trying to deny them the right to ask for compensation.
No one is devaluing anything, and that’s precisely the point of my OP. They leveled under the old system. This is a new system. The two can’t be compared. What if the new system is insanely hard starting at 30+? Then it becomes unfair if players get to keep their progress.
As for reward, the reason I ran 48s was for the daily chest reward. I don’t believe I should be given another reward simply because I’m moving down to 30—particularly when I’m gaining 30 levels on all of my alts. As I said in my OP, I feel that account-wide progress is reward enough.
I don’t think I deserve compensation for my progress either to 42. But they didn’t get one kinds of rewards 50+ because rewards did not scale. That’s part of why its a kick in the face, I think, to them, because people are acting like they are rolling in gold because of those levels, when they aren’t, by any stretch.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
I think Weth is trying to say they are surprised that so many people in the community are trying to devalue the progress other members made in fractals by accusing them falsely and trying to deny them the right to ask for compensation.
No one is devaluing anything, and that’s precisely the point of my OP. They leveled under the old system. This is a new system. The two can’t be compared. What if the new system is insanely hard starting at 30+? Then it becomes unfair if players get to keep their progress.
As for reward, the reason I ran 48s was for the daily chest reward. I don’t believe I should be given another reward simply because I’m moving down to 30—particularly when I’m gaining 30 levels on all of my alts. As I said in my OP, I feel that account-wide progress is reward enough.
That’s true, but when you were doing your 48 I was doing lower levels with my alts to get them up to 48 as well as my main getting crappy rewards compared to what you’ve been getting in 48s. Now if I’d known in advance that I’d just do 48 over and over on my main alone. But all that time invested in my alts is now wasted with account bound level…
I know people are upset with account wide and the lvl 30 roll back. Self included. Lets not beat each other up but rather explain why it’s an issue.
They are taking our hard work away and haven’t even mentioned any great new rewards, reward systems or compensation. The tonic is really a joke.
Think of it this way. What if they rolled all of your characters back to level 30 and said do it again but don’t worry it’s account bound this time. I think you would be annoyed also.
And no they are making the curve to level 50 easier they said not harder
“We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50. "
I think Weth is trying to say they are surprised that so many people in the community are trying to devalue the progress other members made in fractals by accusing them falsely and trying to deny them the right to ask for compensation.
No one is devaluing anything, and that’s precisely the point of my OP. They leveled under the old system. This is a new system. The two can’t be compared. What if the new system is insanely hard starting at 30+? Then it becomes unfair if players get to keep their progress.
As for reward, the reason I ran 48s was for the daily chest reward. I don’t believe I should be given another reward simply because I’m moving down to 30—particularly when I’m gaining 30 levels on all of my alts. As I said in my OP, I feel that account-wide progress is reward enough.
That’s true, but when you were doing your 48 I was doing lower levels with my alts to get them up to 48 as well as my main getting crappy rewards compared to what you’ve been getting in 48s. Now if I’d known in advance that I’d just do 48 over and over on my main alone. But all that time invested in my alts is now wasted with account bound level…
Yours is the situation Anet should be paying attention to. I didn’t mention Alts, but I agree 100% that players who leveled alts got the short end here. I’ve said in several posts that Anet dropped the ball by not giving us sufficient notice to stop leveling alts.
If anyone should get something, it’s you guys who leveled alts. I’d support that completely.
I know people are upset with account wide and the lvl 30 roll back. Self included. Lets not beat each other up but rather explain why it’s an issue.
They are taking our hard work away and haven’t even mentioned any great new rewards, reward systems or compensation. The tonic is really a joke.
Think of it this way. What if they rolled all of your characters back to level 30 and said do it again but don’t worry it’s account bound this time. I think you would be annoyed also.
And no they are making the curve to level 50 easier they said not harder
“We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50. "
I take issue with your analogy because the equivalent of Fractal 30 would not be character level 30.
But anyway, to address your point directly, we lose our hard work in MMOs all the time. Gear frequently becomes outdated and outclassed by new and improved gear. When that happens, our hard work spent acquiring the old gear is effectively lost. They do this on purpose of course: When we have nothing left to do, we stop playing. That’s just the way MMOs work.
I take issue with your analogy because the equivalent of Fractal 30 would not be character level 30.
Right, because with everything right now it takes about 5-10 hours to get to character level 30, and given a 1.5 hour average per fractal, more like 45 hours for 30 fractal levels. Ish. Sort of.
….so it isn’t an equivalent comparison. But I think you’re using the argument in the opposite manner, but I could be wrong.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
I take issue with your analogy because the equivalent of Fractal 30 would not be character level 30.
Right, because with everything right now it takes about 5-10 hours to get to character level 30, and given a 1.5 hour average per fractal, more like 45 hours for 30 fractal levels. Ish. Sort of.
….so it isn’t an equivalent comparison. But I think you’re using the argument in the opposite manner, but I could be wrong.
And this is why analogies are a bad idea—people start talking about the analogy instead of the original subject.
I know people are upset with account wide and the lvl 30 roll back. Self included. Lets not beat each other up but rather explain why it’s an issue.
They are taking our hard work away and haven’t even mentioned any great new rewards, reward systems or compensation. The tonic is really a joke.
Think of it this way. What if they rolled all of your characters back to level 30 and said do it again but don’t worry it’s account bound this time. I think you would be annoyed also.
And no they are making the curve to level 50 easier they said not harder
“We fixed a number of bugs and made lots of balance changes to existing fractals. Also the difficulty scaling has been tweaked overall to create a slightly less difficult curve up to 50. "
That sounds fun to me actually I’d love to level my ranger again. Plus, I get to keep all the loot and mats and relics and AR that I earned, so I’m already way ahead of the curve! Doesn’t really sound like a punishment to me, since everyone else is going to be at my level leveling too. It sounds refreshing. Plus it won’t take that long to get to 80 again.
^ with that logic I’ll take away your legendary, hand you a precusor, and tell you: Congraj – you’re now “refreshed”!
Gl to you. Don’t take our achiv away.
^ with that logic I’ll take away your legendary, hand you a precusor, and tell you: Congraj – you’re now “refreshed”!
Gl to you. Don’t take our achiv away.
See my post above regarding analogies.
See my post above regarding taking achivs from ppl regardless of analogies.
See my post above regarding taking achivs from ppl regardless of analogies.
Your “old” achievement is being removed from the game which happens twice a month.
A “new” opportunity is being added. You haven’t achieved anything on the new and improved 30+ Fractals.
^ with that logic I’ll take away your legendary, hand you a precusor, and tell you: Congraj – you’re now “refreshed”!
Gl to you. Don’t take our achiv away.
Hah! Joke’s on you, I don’t even HAVE a legendary. So if I was handed a precursor, I’d be quite pleased
And I can make up terrible analogies that don’t apply to the problem too: This change is like Anet taking 10g from you to give you, and you alone, 1000g in like two weeks from now. Congraj!
Hah! Then someone who does have a legendary! Joke’s back on you Moyo! Nananana!
-AHEM-
Now addressing mature people:
If players worked for pixels and you take away those pixels, you can ignore the change and risk player opinions, or you can compensate them according to what is acceptable to them.
Players grinded 81 and you reset them with w/e new terms? If they don’t like it they’ll quit your game. I just support their cause. No more.